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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Chopping up your plane for sale doesn't help. (Mickey Coggins)
2. 01:39 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Mickey Coggins)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
4. 03:50 AM - Re: Experimental Bill of Sale/Waiver (Dana Overall)
5. 04:30 AM - Re: Mysterious Oil Leak (DAVID REEL)
6. 04:59 AM - Re: Platenut Life (DAVID REEL)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Tracy Crook)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Folbrecht, Paul)
9. 06:43 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (sportav8r@aol.com)
10. 06:59 AM - Spelling (Grenwis@aol.com)
11. 07:01 AM - Re: Medical in trouble (Bob Collins)
12. 07:20 AM - Re: Platenut Life (REHughes)
13. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Mickey Coggins)
14. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Folbrecht, Paul)
15. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Dave Cudney)
16. 08:05 AM - Re: Performance Problem Analysis (Dan Beadle)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: Spelling (Tedd McHenry)
18. 08:28 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Rob Prior (rv7))
19. 08:39 AM - Re: Spelling (D.Bristol)
20. 08:50 AM - Re: Spelling (Marty)
21. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (UFOBUCK@aol.com)
22. 09:06 AM - Re: Spelling (Mickey Coggins)
23. 09:16 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Jerry Springer)
24. 09:33 AM - Re: Spelling (Chris W)
25. 09:35 AM - Re: Spelling (Konrad L. Werner)
26. 10:04 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Kevin Horton)
27. 10:08 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Jim Jewell)
28. 10:29 AM - Re: Spelling (Ken Howell)
29. 10:33 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Jim Anglin)
30. 10:36 AM - Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Chris W)
31. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Medical in trouble (Mickey Coggins)
32. 10:45 AM - Re: Spelling (George Neal E Capt HQ AU/XPRR)
33. 10:51 AM - Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
34. 11:05 AM - Re: Spelling (Chuck Weyant)
35. 12:00 PM - Re: Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only (Tedd McHenry)
36. 12:14 PM - vac pump cover (Kevin Shannon)
37. 01:05 PM - Re: vac pump cover (Ralph E. Capen)
38. 01:06 PM - Re: Platenut Life (Skylor Piper)
39. 01:50 PM - Re: Platenut Life (Jamie Painter)
40. 02:00 PM - Napa primer 7220 sale ending 4/30/06 (Tim Bolton)
41. 03:22 PM - Re: Platenut Life (MLWynn@aol.com)
42. 04:36 PM - Re: Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only (JOHN STARN)
43. 04:45 PM - Looking for Pressure Recovery Wheelpant Installation Instructions (Ron Lee)
44. 05:22 PM - Re: Platenut Life (REHughes)
45. 08:10 PM - Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) ()
46. 09:04 PM - Re: 25 hour phase one (Szantho B. Szantho)
47. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: 25 hour phase one (Richard Sipp)
48. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: 25 hour phase one (Bruce Gray)
49. 10:03 PM - Lawsuits, Van's prices. (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
50. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: 25 hour phase one (Reuven Silberman)
51. 10:34 PM - Re: Chopping up your plane for sale doesn't help. (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
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| Subject: | Re: Chopping up your plane for sale doesn't help. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> What benefit is there for the buyer in that. He's likely seen the
> plane, knows it flies. Then you disassemble it and sell it to him.
> Do you think that a) he'd still want to buy it knowing he has to put
> it all back together (which he might not know how to do)and b) give
> you the same price for it that he might have been thinking of giving
> you?
I'm pretty sure the answer to all your questions is "no".
It seems like this important topic would be a good one for the RVWiki.
http://www.rvwiki.org/
It comes up about every three months, and the discussion always
goes the same way:
1) Someone asks if they need to think about getting sued
if they sell their RV;
2) Several people say it has never happened, or is very rare;
3) Several people bring up John Denver's unfortunate crash;
4) Several people talk about various schemes for protecting assets;
5) Several people talk about sales contracts and no-harm clauses
and waivers;
6) Several people talk about dismantling the aircraft as a way
to avoid being sued;
7) Several people dismiss that idea as expanding the risk;
8) Finally, as is common with our legal system, everyone ends
up confused, not really knowing if there is anything that
can be done. So, they go back to flying, riveting, or
surfing the web.
I probably missed one or two important phases above, so
feel free to interject your comments!
After reading these several times over the past few years,
here is what I have gotten out of the discussion.
1) The risk of getting sued is very low;
2) Best protection generally is to build as close as possible
to the original design, and get lots of independent inspections;
3) No-harm liability waivers probably don't hurt, and probably
won't help in court, but they may be enough to scare off
potential suits by survivors or inexperienced lawyers;
4) If you're *not* "rich" (not sure how to define that), then
the risk of getting sued is low, since the suing lawyer
wants to get paid for their effort if they win;
5) If you *are* "rich", you should either buy a certified airplane,
or if you do build an airplane, don't sell it. If you do,
somehow protect your assets from lawsuits by consulting
with a good attorney.
6) Liability insurance to help in the case of getting sued is
available, but not cost-effective.
Again, please feel free to make any comments or suggestions,
and I'll be happy to slap this into the RVWiki for future
reference. It really won't hurt my feelings at all if you
tell me the above is all a bunch of Bravo Sierra, and I
should go crawl under a rock.
Best regards,
Mickey
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>> There must be some pathologic reason RV builders can't get this right, and I
>> hope we build airplanes better.
>>
>>
> I know this was meant in good humor so please don't take this too
> seriously.
>
> Those who think the ability to spell correctly is an indication of
> intelligence, are morons. Equating the ability to spell well, with the
> ability to build an airplane well, is beyond ludicrous!
Great Twain quotes. I wish everyone would read all his
works, and keep them in heart.
Another thing to keep in mind that our list welcomes people
from other countries who may not have English as their
native language. They are bound to make plenty of mistakes,
just as I do when I post to the Van's Club de France list
in French. Never a complaint about my bad French.
I'm reminded of the CEO of ABB that when asked what the
official language of their large, multinational company
was, he responded "bad English". This is the right way
to open doors to communication.
I also know that poking fun at spelling errors is all
done in jest.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
In a message dated 04/27/2006 11:41:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
MLWynn@aol.com writes:
Are you using torx screws to hold the fuel tanks on?
>>>
Yessir- get 'em here:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/SSCFCMXS.cfm
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental Bill of Sale/Waiver |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>>>>This Release and Waiver is binding on all Heirs, Person=
al
Representatives and Assigns of the Purchaser, Subsequent Owners, Pilots=20
and/or
Passengers.<<<<<<
This is just one of the biggies. Sorry, the parties listed above can wave
the negligence flag. Man I know better than to get into this foray.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Re: Mysterious Oil Leak |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Thanks for the info guys. I went to the airport & low & behold, there was
some oil on the back of the triangular plate that forms the nose gear leg
support box on the bottom of the engine mount. The back of the leg above
the fairing was also oily and black. The fairing is unpainted & I couldn't
see any oil on it when I shined a strong light on it. I didn't disassemble
it to check because I've been having trouble getting the fairing to stay in
position on the gear leg & didn't want to upset my latest attempt to secure
it. I think it's quite likely the oil is being sucked down by
gravity/airflow along the gear leg as you guys have said. No need to worry
about anything rusting down there.
Dave Reel
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Having driven screws in and out of the same platenut many times, it seems to
me that the platenut looses some of it's resistance once the first screw is
driven but that it retains it's remaining resistance over time. I think the
same rule
applies here as is used with elastic stop nuts. If you can turn a screw all
the way through the platenut to where the threads are coming out the other
side by hand, it's too loose to provide security against loosening with
vibration. You need to feel some drag from the platenut before the screw
gets tight. I would never run a tap through a platenut as that destroys
it's holding power. The type of head on the screw has nothing to do with
the issue of platenut holding power which I believe was the main thrust of
your post. I'd feel free to rivet them in place anytime.
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Always hard to asses ones own ability to 'stay ahead of the airplane' =
since we can so easily lie to ourselves. This is no doubt 'Flame Bait' =
but one way I check my mental and physical reaction time is to use an =
appropriate video game. My favorite is Gran Turismo 4. I give myself =
a pass if I can compete at the highest level in the game.
And if I could beat my grand kids at it, I'd probably be ready to take =
on Sean Tucker's job : )
BTW, Coffee has mental side effects. Should I ground myself every =
morning?
Tracy Crook
RV-4 1600 hrs of Hmmmm....
RV-8 almost ready for engine start
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob Collins<mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:22 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" =
<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net<mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>>
When dealing with medication, a lot of times what the FAA is looking =
is side effects. We all know, of course, how important it is to "stay =
ahead of" our machines. That's not easy sometimes with a clear head. =
Some of these meds are aimed directly at the brain and are intended to =
slow or change the signals it gets. It's very hard to stay ahead of a =
machine at that point. Even though we might feel "fine."
The perfect solution? Meds with no side effects. But then they =
probably wouldn't work.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
I have a feeling most active pilots would fare extremely poorly at this
test!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>
Always hard to asses ones own ability to 'stay ahead of the airplane' =
since we can so easily lie to ourselves. This is no doubt 'Flame Bait'
=
but one way I check my mental and physical reaction time is to use an =
appropriate video game. My favorite is Gran Turismo 4. I give myself
=
a pass if I can compete at the highest level in the game.
And if I could beat my grand kids at it, I'd probably be ready to take
=
on Sean Tucker's job : )
BTW, Coffee has mental side effects. Should I ground myself every =
morning?
Tracy Crook
RV-4 1600 hrs of Hmmmm....
RV-8 almost ready for engine start
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob Collins<mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>=20
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:22 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" =
<bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net<mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>>
When dealing with medication, a lot of times what the FAA is looking =
is side effects. We all know, of course, how important it is to "stay =
ahead of" our machines. That's not easy sometimes with a clear head. =
Some of these meds are aimed directly at the brain and are intended to
=
slow or change the signals it gets. It's very hard to stay ahead of a =
machine at that point. Even though we might feel "fine."
The perfect solution? Meds with no side effects. But then they =
probably wouldn't work.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
Mark Twain, posthumous apologist for the gummint skoo syssem...
;-)
-Stormy
Y'all have a good day.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:44:13 -0500
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling lesson, entertainment only
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Alex Peterson wrote:
>There must be some pathologic reason RV builders can't get this right, and I
>hope we build airplanes better.
>
>
I know this was meant in good humor so please don't take this too
seriously.
Those who think the ability to spell correctly is an indication of
intelligence, are morons. Equating the ability to spell well, with the
ability to build an airplane well, is beyond ludicrous! The mental
abilities required to build an airplane well are logical thinking and
the ability to make rational decisions, there is little logical or
rational about the English language. Those who see a word that is not
spelled right or the wrong word on a page, and instantly think, "the
writer can't spell", are also a morons. There is such a thing as a
typo. I often inadvertently type too when I mean to, I also often type
how when I mean who. It's not because I don't know how to spell the
words or what the difference between them is. Here are some thoughts on
the subject from those more knowledgeable about it than I. The last one
is extraordinarily well put.
"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." --
Mark Twain
"My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles, and the
letters get in the wrong places." -- A. A. Milne
That often happens to my typing, and I am sure many others as well.
"Correct spelling, indeed, is one of the arts that are far more esteemed
by schoolma'ams than by practical men, neck-deep in the heat and agony
of the world." ~Henry Louis Mencken, The American Language
"As I have said before, I never had any large respect for good spelling.
That is my feeling yet. Before the spelling-book came with its arbitrary
forms, men unconsciously revealed shades of their characters, and also
added enlightening shades of expression to what they wrote by their
spelling, and so it is possible that the spelling-book has been a
doubtful benevolence to us." -- Mark Twain
"What is the real function, the essential function, the supreme
function, of language? Isn't it merely to convey ideas and emotions?
Certainly. Then if we can do it with words of fonetic brevity and
compactness, why keep the present cumbersome forms?" -- Mark Twain
The best for last.
"I have had an aversion to good spelling for sixty years and more,
merely for the reason that when I was a boy there was not a thing I
could do creditably except spell according to the book. It was a poor
and mean distinction, and I early learned to disenjoy it. I suppose that
this is because the ability to spell correctly is a talent, not an
acquirement. There is some dignity about an acquirement, because it is a
product of your own labor. It is wages earned, whereas to be able to do
a thing merely by the grace of God, and not by your own effort,
transfers the distinction to our heavenly home - where possibly it is a
matter of pride and satisfaction, but it leaves you naked and
bankrupt." -- Mark Twain
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--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
I'm a believer that spelling is important. It drives me crazy that people
confuse 'loose' and 'lose', and moreso, use 'to' when they mean 'too'. The
rules are so simple. However, the following paragraph will show you just how
important spelling is for communicating your ideas. Enjoy.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd
waht I was rdgnieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr
the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll
raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn
mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rick Grenwis
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
If I were to fly illegally, I guess the first thing I would do is pocket the insurance
premiums.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31325#31325
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 04/27/2006 11:41:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
> MLWynn@aol.com writes:
> Are you using torx screws to hold the fuel tanks on?
>>>>
>
> Yessir- get 'em here:
> http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/SSCFCMXS.cfm
>
> Mark do not archive
Anyone considering using the Microfastener screws should recognize that they
are AN507 style (non-structural with the threads all the way to the
countersunk head, rather than the shanked structural style of the AN509
series.) Combine this with the effects of employing Stainless vs. Alloy
Steel as the screw material, and the resultant reduction in tensile
strength as compared to the plans called-out steel AN509's is probably at
least 50%.
If disruption of the .032 tank skin itself would be expected to occur at a
much lower levels of stress, then this tradeoff in screw structural strength
may be justifiable. I hope that some of the structural engineers on the
List would comment on that.
Hawkeye Hughes
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> BTW, Coffee has mental side effects. Should I ground myself every
> morning?
One of the best things I've ever done for my health
is to stop drinking coffee. It was *really* hard,
since I love the stuff, but wow - what a difference.
Now I never have allergies or any kind of nasal or
sinus problems. I can still enjoy the smell, but
I don't drink it any longer. Yes, I'm tea sipper!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com>
Coffee has many positive health effects, including antioxidants and
other heart-healthy substances. No bull; there have been at least a few
studies.
I became a real coffee drinker a couple years ago, and had sinus
problems before and after. No change.
Like anything, too much caffeine can be bad.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Medical in trouble
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> BTW, Coffee has mental side effects. Should I ground myself every
> morning?
One of the best things I've ever done for my health
is to stop drinking coffee. It was *really* hard,
since I love the stuff, but wow - what a difference.
Now I never have allergies or any kind of nasal or
sinus problems. I can still enjoy the smell, but
I don't drink it any longer. Yes, I'm tea sipper!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
The cafine in tea is slow release -- so you do not get the harsh ups and
downs as you might with coffee. I too switched to tea and am not nearly
as gitttttttterrreeey
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On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Mickey Coggins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
>> BTW, Coffee has mental side effects. Should I ground myself every
>> morning?
>>
>
> One of the best things I've ever done for my health
> is to stop drinking coffee. It was *really* hard,
> since I love the stuff, but wow - what a difference.
>
> Now I never have allergies or any kind of nasal or
> sinus problems. I can still enjoy the smell, but
> I don't drink it any longer. Yes, I'm tea sipper!
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Performance Problem Analysis |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
Dick,
I am very interested in hearing your speed numbers.
I am building RV8 with IO390, James Cowl and Plenum (per your
suggestion) and A/C Prop. I am thinking the Grove landing gear for
slippery legs.
This configuration is very close to yours - what speeds are you getting.
My target is 190K or better at 8,000'
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Performance Problem Analysis
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Dave,
I have an RV8 with a James Cowl and plenum and a IO-390 engine. I
believe
that it contributes and average speed increase of 10 knots over a
standard
Vans cowl. I have over 1300 hours with this set up. I have also talked
to
as many others with this set up as possible, and the general consensus
is
the same as mine. Also, cooling problems are usually not a problem with
this cowl.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burden" <hootsnik@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: RV-List: Performance Problem Analysis
> --> RV-List message posted by: David Burden <hootsnik@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I am working through a performance issue and need some help. I need
to
> find some folks who have flying aircraft with the following
combination of
> features:
>
> Flying RV7a or 9a
> Carburated 180 hp 0360 (Superior/ECI/Lyc)
> Sam James Cowl/plenum/induction system
> Fixed pitch propellor
>
> The intent is to compare some data and discuss any install challenges
you
> may have had to overcome with this, apparently rare combination.
>
> Please respond off list to:
>
> hootsnik@sbcglobal.net
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Yes, people make honest mistakes. Yes, we're not all native english speakers.
No, good spelling doesn't indicate intelligence, nor poor spelling the
opposite.
But a poorly-constructed email is a poorly-constructed email and, like anything
poorly constructed, doesn't do its job as well as it could. Spelling mistakes
distract readers' attention, forcing them to mentally substitute the correct
word. That steals some of the power from your message.
For what it's worth, I'm a terrible speller, and had to look up several words
just to complete this short email. If it's not worth your time to at least try
to get it right, what would make you think it's worth someone else's time to
read it?
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 23:44:13 2006-04-27 Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net> wrote:
> Here
> are some thoughts on the subject from those more knowledgeable about
> it than I. The last one is extraordinarily well put.
Ironically, your message and all of its attached quotes from learned folk
were spelled perfectly... Even though neither you nor those learned folk
seem to care about spelling!
-Rob
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--> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" <dbris200@sbcglobal.net>
Moreso??
Dave
do not archive!
Grenwis@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
>
>I'm a believer that spelling is important. It drives me crazy that people
>confuse 'loose' and 'lose', and moreso, use 'to' when they mean 'too'. The
>rules are so simple. However, the following paragraph will show you just how
>important spelling is for communicating your ideas. Enjoy.
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Marty" <martorious@earthlink.net>
BRAVO! If you spend all day proofreading other's works, you might miss the
cure for cancer that they are writing about.
Marty
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grenwis@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: RV-List: Spelling
--> RV-List message posted by: Grenwis@aol.com
I'm a believer that spelling is important. It drives me crazy that people
confuse 'loose' and 'lose', and moreso, use 'to' when they mean 'too'. The
rules are so simple. However, the following paragraph will show you just
how
important spelling is for communicating your ideas. Enjoy.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd
waht I was rdgnieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr
the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll
raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn
mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas thought
slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rick Grenwis
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: UFOBUCK@aol.com
In a message dated 04/28/2006 9:31:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mick-matronics@rv8.ch writes:
Yes, I'm tea sipper
Say it's not true !! Please !!! Your not a University of Texas Longhorn are
you ??
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> For what it's worth, I'm a terrible speller, and had to look up several words
> just to complete this short email. If it's not worth your time to at least try
> to get it right, what would make you think it's worth someone else's time to
> read it?
I understand your point, and I'd say for those looking
for help, they should take the time to formulate their
questions as clearly as they can.
On the other hand, I really don't want people with good
ideas and experience to not post for fear that others
are going to judge them by their E-mail spelling and
grammar.
I'm willing to read just about anything if I can learn
something from it!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>Here
>>are some thoughts on the subject from those more knowledgeable about
>>it than I. The last one is extraordinarily well put.
>>
>>
>
>Ironically, your message and all of its attached quotes from learned folk
>were spelled perfectly... Even though neither you nor those learned folk
>seem to care about spelling!
>
>
>
Even more irritating than the spelling issue is people that do not use the
DO NOT ARCHIVE. This nonsense goes into the RV-LIST archive
for ever for all future builders and readers to have to muck through to
find any RV construction information.
I guess I am illiterate enough that I have never had a problem reading
and understanding what the writer was trying to say even with
word that were spelled wrong.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Grenwis@aol.com wrote:
>I'm a believer that spelling is important. It drives me crazy that people
>confuse 'loose' and 'lose', and moreso, use 'to' when they mean 'too'. The
>rules are so simple. However, the following paragraph will show you just how
>important spelling is for communicating your ideas. Enjoy.
>
>
Spelling errors and using the wrong word had never really bothered me
much (as long as both words sound the same) and I rarely find it hard to
understand what the author meant to communicate. See the second to the
last quote in my previous post. However there is on thing that drives
me crazy; when people use the wrong word, that doesn't sound the same.
Here in Oklahoma I keep running across people who use the word "Ideal"
when they mean "Idea", it drives me nuts.
>
>I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd
>waht I was rdgnieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the
>hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at
>Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr
>the ltteers in a wrod are . . .
>
I have actually heard that before so to test it more, I wrote a program
that would randomize the letters in words and then see how hard it was
to read. I found that it is often not near as easy as the example they
have given in their announcement of their findings. If you want to see
for your self go the link below and type or copy and past some text into
the text box and see what the out put is and how hard it is to read.
http://www.thewishzone.com/cdw/RandomizeWord.php
do not archive
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
Gift Giving Made Easy
Get the gifts you want &
give the gifts they want
One stop wish list for any gift,
from anywhere, for any occasion!
http://thewishzone.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
I agree with Mickey,
No one with somewhat less then perfect grammar or spelling should =
refrain to post just for fear of prosecution by the L-cops.
Because NO ONE IS PERFECT, not even the L-cops!!! You can trust me on =
that.=20
do not archive
P.S. Mickey, how does that Swiss Tea taste?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mickey Coggins=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> For what it's worth, I'm a terrible speller, and had to look up =
several words
> just to complete this short email. If it's not worth your time to =
at least try
> to get it right, what would make you think it's worth someone else's =
time to
> read it?
I understand your point, and I'd say for those looking
for help, they should take the time to formulate their
questions as clearly as they can.
On the other hand, I really don't want people with good
ideas and experience to not post for fear that others
are going to judge them by their E-mail spelling and
grammar.
I'm willing to read just about anything if I can learn
something from it!
--=20
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 28 Apr 2006, at 12:11, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
> Even more irritating than the spelling issue is people that do not
> use the
> DO NOT ARCHIVE. This nonsense goes into the RV-LIST archive
> for ever for all future builders and readers to have to muck
> through to
> find any RV construction information.
>
> I guess I am illiterate enough that I have never had a problem reading
> and understanding what the writer was trying to say even with
> word that were spelled wrong.
>
If we believe the archive should be useful, we should try to at least
ensure that any key words are spelled correctly. The archive can
hold an e-mail with the most wonderful stuff about "guages", but
someone searching for info on gauges will never find it.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
If you prefer to preserve or at least extend the anti-vibration capability
of plate nuts apply some Boelube to the screw threads when first installing
them.
Of course there are other products that work about the same. I just prefer
this brand.
Using Boelube on screw threads after they have been installed and removed
without a thread prep material of some sort will also help.
The Boelube acts as a cutting agent allowing the threads to polish or
condition each other during installation, minimizing the galling of the
similar materials.
You will find that screws treated this way require much less force to
install and breakage of the smaller size screws will be reduced if not
avoided altogether.
I obtained the "Boelube" product referred to above from Avery tools.
The RV is all but done and I still have at least 3/4 of the little Boelube
tube left for the next RV project?!
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Platenut Life
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> Having driven screws in and out of the same platenut many times, it seems
> to
> me that the platenut looses some of it's resistance once the first screw
> is
> driven but that it retains it's remaining resistance over time. I think
> the
> same rule
> applies here as is used with elastic stop nuts. If you can turn a screw
> all
> the way through the platenut to where the threads are coming out the other
> side by hand, it's too loose to provide security against loosening with
> vibration. You need to feel some drag from the platenut before the screw
> gets tight. I would never run a tap through a platenut as that destroys
> it's holding power. The type of head on the screw has nothing to do with
> the issue of platenut holding power which I believe was the main thrust of
> your post. I'd feel free to rivet them in place anytime.
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
MS Outlook (I don't work for Bill Gates) has a very nice spell checker that
makes even bad spellers like me look good to those more discriminating
folks, spell wise at least. I'll bet your e-mail tool has one too.
Ken Howell
P.S. The art of American tea brewing was lost after the Boston Tea Party.
For a good "cuppa" (misspelling intended), try Yorkshire Gold by Taylor's of
Harrogate.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
I agree with Mickey,
No one with somewhat less then perfect grammar or spelling should =
refrain to post just for fear of prosecution by the L-cops.
Because NO ONE IS PERFECT, not even the L-cops!!! You can trust me on =
that.=20
do not archive
P.S. Mickey, how does that Swiss Tea taste?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mickey Coggins=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> For what it's worth, I'm a terrible speller, and had to look up =
several words
> just to complete this short email. If it's not worth your time to =
at least try
> to get it right, what would make you think it's worth someone else's =
time to
> read it?
I understand your point, and I'd say for those looking
for help, they should take the time to formulate their
questions as clearly as they can.
On the other hand, I really don't want people with good
ideas and experience to not post for fear that others
are going to judge them by their E-mail spelling and
grammar.
I'm willing to read just about anything if I can learn
something from it!
--=20
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I had an '87 RV4 and took the boot cowl off frequently and the nut =
plates still caused me to strip out the cross if I wasn't careful.
Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR
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| Subject: | Re: Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Kevin Horton wrote:
>If we believe the archive should be useful, we should try to at least
>ensure that any key words are spelled correctly. The archive can
>hold an e-mail with the most wonderful stuff about "guages", but
>someone searching for info on gauges will never find it.
>
>
That is why the soundex algorithm was invented. Unfortunately, outside
of genealogy research, few searches take advantage of it.
do not archive
--
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| Subject: | Re: Medical in trouble |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Yes, I'm tea sipper
>
>
> Say it's not true !! Please !!! Your not a University of Texas Longhorn are
> you ??
Afraid so. You're not an Aggie, I hope! :-)
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http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "George Neal E Capt HQ AU/XPRR" <Neal.George@MAXWELL.AF.MIL>
Don't they make aftermarket hot rod parts?
neal
Moreso??
Dave
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| Subject: | Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
For further semantic confusion, why do race car drivers call it "loose" when
the back end wants to go to the outside on a turn???
Do not archive, please!!!
Jerry C.
In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:07:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling lesson, entertainment only
--> RV-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
Interestingly, I have noticed the "loose" problem on other aviation
websites that are totally unrelated to homebuilt/experimental
airplanes. hmmmm.................!!
David
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
Don't forget, Do Not Archive for this kind of crap : )
Chuck Weyant
N8058V RV9A 170hours
Santa Maria, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Spelling
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>> For what it's worth, I'm a terrible speller, and had to look up several
>> words
>> just to complete this short email. If it's not worth your time to at
>> least try
>> to get it right, what would make you think it's worth someone else's time
>> to
>> read it?
>
> I understand your point, and I'd say for those looking
> for help, they should take the time to formulate their
> questions as clearly as they can.
>
> On the other hand, I really don't want people with good
> ideas and experience to not post for fear that others
> are going to judge them by their E-mail spelling and
> grammar.
>
> I'm willing to read just about anything if I can learn
> something from it!
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> For further semantic confusion, why do race car drivers call it "loose" when
> the back end wants to go to the outside on a turn???
Perhaps because they're about to "lose" it?
---
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
Hi all,
I am in need of a Lycoming vac pump drive cover plate, anybody have one
kickin around?
Kevin Shannon
HR II under const
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: vac pump cover |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I think I've got one - I put in a second Alternator....
I'll check this weekend
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Shannon <kshannon@seanet.com>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2006 3:11 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: vac pump cover
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon@seanet.com>
>
>
>Hi all,
>I am in need of a Lycoming vac pump drive cover plate, anybody have one
>kickin around?
>Kevin Shannon
>HR II under const
>Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
True, but any fastener smaller than a -3 is supposed
to be non-structural anyway. I believe that the
"structural" portion of fuel tank attachment comes
from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and
the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage.
The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin
down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads.
Skylor
RV-8 Under Construction
--- REHughes <hawk@digisys.net> wrote:
> Anyone considering using the Microfastener screws
> should recognize that they
> are AN507 style (non-structural with the threads all
> the way to the
> countersunk head, rather than the shanked structural
> style of the AN509
> series.) Combine this with the effects of
> employing Stainless vs. Alloy
> Steel as the screw material, and the resultant
> reduction in tensile
> strength as compared to the plans called-out steel
> AN509's is probably at
> least 50%.
>
> If disruption of the .032 tank skin itself would be
> expected to occur at a
> much lower levels of stress, then this tradeoff in
> screw structural strength
> may be justifiable. I hope that some of the
> structural engineers on the
> List would comment on that.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
The -6 and -4 (and maybe -3) tanks do not have z-brackets and I believe
are held on *only* by the screws, although there's a double-row of them
and some reinforcement stuff going on underneath. Someone with an older
RV can probably fill in the details.
do not archive
Jamie
http://rv.jpainter.org
Skylor Piper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>
>True, but any fastener smaller than a -3 is supposed
>to be non-structural anyway. I believe that the
>"structural" portion of fuel tank attachment comes
>from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and
>the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage.
>The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin
>down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads.
>
>Skylor
>RV-8 Under Construction
>
>
>--- REHughes <hawk@digisys.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Anyone considering using the Microfastener screws
>>should recognize that they
>>are AN507 style (non-structural with the threads all
>>the way to the
>>countersunk head, rather than the shanked structural
>>style of the AN509
>>series.) Combine this with the effects of
>>employing Stainless vs. Alloy
>>Steel as the screw material, and the resultant
>>reduction in tensile
>>strength as compared to the plans called-out steel
>>AN509's is probably at
>>least 50%.
>>
>>If disruption of the .032 tank skin itself would be
>>expected to occur at a
>>much lower levels of stress, then this tradeoff in
>>screw structural strength
>>may be justifiable. I hope that some of the
>>structural engineers on the
>>List would comment on that.
>>
>>Hawkeye Hughes
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| Subject: | Napa primer 7220 sale ending 4/30/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bolton" <timbolton@therv7.com>
Napa's sale on 7220 Primer is ending this Sunday. It's $3.75 a can now =
and will be $7.69 a can on Monday.
Tim Bolton
Charlotte, NC
RV-7 - HS under construction
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
I sent an email to Microfasteners to inquire about the specs on the screws.
Here is what they said:
Our stainless steel 100 degree flat head torx drive screws are all intended
to replace the cross recessed screws of NASM24693 covering non-structural
screws. Their tensile strength is 85,000 psi minimum, same as the
requirement for structural screws of NASM24694, so the tensile strength for
8-32 screws is 1190 lbs, minimum.
We emphasize that these are not mil spec screws; first no testing has been
done to verify that, apart from the different drive, they meet the
requirements of either of the specs listed above, and second there is no mil
spec covering these screws, to the best of our knowledge.
Thanks for the inquiry.
John Fleisher
Micro Fasteners
Interesting, eh?
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| Subject: | Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
One would think that driving on snow/ice would give the best explanation of
"loose". In a turn the rear could never be called "tight", "secure",
"attached" when it drifts out. It kinda wiggles first then lets "loose" and
ya'll better have counter steered (toward the wall, trees etc), have a very
WIDE track and/or enough reserve power & traction to push the car around the
turn. OH DANG.......I used the word "push".....but that a whole nother
problem. KABONG N561FS 8*)
Didn't stay at Holiday Express last night but have driven WAY over a hundred
in a Corvette at the old Riverside (NASCAR) Raceway many years ago.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:Spelling lesson, entertainment only
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>
>> For further semantic confusion, why do race car drivers call it "loose"
>> when
>> the back end wants to go to the outside on a turn???
>
> Perhaps because they're about to "lose" it?
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC, Canada
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Looking for Pressure Recovery Wheelpant Installation Instructions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
I just bought a set with no instructions and could not find them at Vans,
the RV archive or a Google search. If anyone has them in a downloadable
format please advise. Otherwise I will be able to get them through more
mundane methods in due time.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: "REHughes" <hawk@digisys.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
>
> I sent an email to Microfasteners to inquire about the specs on the
> screws.
> Here is what they said:
> Our stainless steel 100 degree flat head torx drive screws are all
> intended
> to replace the cross recessed screws of NASM24693 covering non-structural
> screws. Their tensile strength is 85,000 psi minimum, same as the
> requirement for structural screws of NASM24694, so the tensile strength
> for
> 8-32 screws is 1190 lbs, minimum.
>
> John Fleisher
> Micro Fasteners
>
> Interesting, eh?
To complete the comparison, the Alloy Steel An509 / MS24694 screws that
Van's calls out are listed at 125,000 to 145,000 psi
Hawkeye
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| Subject: | Re: Lawsuits against builders (Was AOPA hates homebuilts?) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
>posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>Don't you dare shame me.
>The idea of this forum is to make helpful suggestions about various
>topics, not to shame people because they post a message you
>personally do not agree with.
>Steve Glasgow
Well Steve I am sorry if I offended you sincerely, but come on 9/11!
That just makes no sense and that is a sacred date, worth of respect,
not to be mentioned casually. I actually agree with you.
>"Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean
>that it can't happen tomorrow. Witness 9/11."
I am not sure what point you where trying to make? Again from legal
precedence law suites against builders is zero to date. No one is saying
that you can not be sued. Anything is possible, however what does that
have anything to do with 9/11.
If your attempted was to use an analogy to make the point, anything
can happen, than hit by lighting or meteorite might be better than 9/11.
Regarding homebuilt's they MEET NO STANDARDS of any kind and
are not subject to product liability. They are Amateur, AMATEUR built.
There is no PRODUCT Liability expressed or implied. You can change
the name from RV-7, to "Death Trap-7; Model: Use at your OWN Risk."
Attempt at humor but you know what I mean. There is a placard that
tells all who fly in it, it DOES NOT meet STANDARDS.
George
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| Subject: | Re: 25 hour phase one |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
Any of you guys know how I will be able to get the 25 hour "phase one"
completed? Because of my medical problem I will not be able to fly it. Once
this is done pilot friends will fly with me. Thanks for your friendship and
help.
John
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| Subject: | Re: 25 hour phase one |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
John:
I know of no requirement that the builder must fly the aircraft on its first
flight or during the testing.
You can designate anyone you like to do that.
Dick Sipp
RV10 40065
----- Original Message -----
From: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: 25 hour phase one
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
>
> Any of you guys know how I will be able to get the 25 hour "phase one"
> completed? Because of my medical problem I will not be able to fly it.
> Once
> this is done pilot friends will fly with me. Thanks for your friendship
> and
> help.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 25 hour phase one |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Anyone can fly the 25 hour flyoff. It need not be the builder, the pilot
just cannot carry passengers.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Szantho B. Szantho
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 12:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: 25 hour phase one
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com>
Any of you guys know how I will be able to get the 25 hour "phase one"
completed? Because of my medical problem I will not be able to fly it. Once
this is done pilot friends will fly with me. Thanks for your friendship and
help.
John
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| Subject: | Lawsuits, Van's prices. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Hate to break it to ya George but....Vans has already been sued. The first
production representative prototype RV-8 was being demonstrated to a
potential customer (an ag pilot by profession) from California several years
ago and the customer pulled the wings off of it (MY OPINION, not the NTSB
finding, but seems logical considering how hard an ag pilot has to pull
compared to how pitch sensitive the RVs are). This was N58RV, the yellow
taildragger, actually the second RV-8 built by the factory. After the
accident, the widow of the Van's employee who lost his life sued and Van's
settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
This was 8-10 years ago now and Van's has continued to offer tremendous
value even after suffering that AND the loss of the prototype RV-9A. I hope
things havn't changed so much there that they are worried sick about
litigation with every kit that goes out the door. That sort of worry by
Cessna's insurance company ended up adding $50,000.00 to the base price of
every Cessna in the 1980s before they stopped production of piston aircraft.
Van's provides such value in their kits, it would be a shame if one of the
last bastions of low priced kits had to double or triple what they have been
getting for them just to satisfy lawyers or insurance companies. But
then... a lot has changed in the 9 years since I started building Delta
Mike, unfortunately it hasn't been for the better!
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Finishing the panel
________________________________ Message 2_________________________________
Time: 04:55:17 AM PST US
From: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Lawsuits against builders
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Conspiracy theorist unite. Could be?
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS, when the Lawsuits start, Van will start charging
$45,000 for a kit, thanks to the idiots that are suing..................
George
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| Subject: | Re: 25 hour phase one |
--> RV-List message posted by: Reuven Silberman <pilots2@yahoo.com>
John,
Where are you located?
Reuven Silberman
N7WT
"Szantho B. Szantho" <jszantho@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Szantho B. Szantho"
Any of you guys know how I will be able to get the 25 hour "phase one"
completed? Because of my medical problem I will not be able to fly it. Once
this is done pilot friends will fly with me. Thanks for your friendship and
help.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Chopping up your plane for sale doesn't help. |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
"I thought the idea of taking it apart was to sell ALL of the parts to
one person who then would obviously need to reassemble it."
You couldn't offer me enough money to drill out all those rivets.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139
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