---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/30/06: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Mickey Coggins) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Kevin Horton) 3. 08:56 AM - First Flight (B25Flyer) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: First Flight (Chuck) 5. 01:06 PM - RV-6A right elevator needed (chaztuna@adelphia.net) 6. 03:33 PM - Re: First Flight (Jeff Point) 7. 03:44 PM - RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Ron Lee) 8. 05:20 PM - Re: First Flight (Konrad L. Werner) 9. 05:47 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (sportav8r@aol.com) 10. 05:51 PM - Wing tips (Richard Seiders) 11. 06:06 PM - Re: First Flight (B25Flyer) 12. 06:12 PM - RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Ron Lee) 13. 06:19 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Stan Jones) 14. 06:20 PM - Re: Wing tips (Kyle Boatright) 15. 06:29 PM - Re: First Flight (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 16. 06:36 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 17. 06:41 PM - Re: Wing tips (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 18. 07:09 PM - Parkersburg Formation Clinic (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 19. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: First Flight (D.Bristol) 20. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: First Flight (Jeff Point) 21. 07:48 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Patrick Kelley) 22. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: First Flight (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 23. 08:11 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry Springer) 24. 08:20 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry Springer) 25. 08:28 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Alex Peterson) 26. 08:30 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 27. 09:00 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Robin Marks) 28. 09:05 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry Springer) 29. 09:24 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Konrad L. Werner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:48 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Platenut Life --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" >> --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper >> >> I believe that the "structural" portion of fuel tank attachment comes >> from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and >> the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage. >> The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin >> down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads. > > Why do you "believe" that. On what basis do you state that opinion. I would > suggest to you that the tanks skins carry considerable load and that those > loads will want to transfer to the spar by the most direct route...which > will be primarily through the #8 skin screws. Does the fact that the skin is dimpled help carry load, or do the screws themselves carry the load? Won't the aluminium skin fail long before the "wimpy" SS screws? I recall someone doing a write-up on rivet strength in shear, and one of the results was that a dimpled skin with a flush rivet was much stronger than any other type of rivet, with the conclusion that the dimpled skin was carrying load. Perhaps someone else knows where to find that report. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:38 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Platenut Life --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 30 Apr 2006, at 02:54, Mickey Coggins wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper >>> >>> I believe that the "structural" portion of fuel tank attachment >>> comes >>> from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and >>> the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage. >>> The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin >>> down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads. >> >> Why do you "believe" that. On what basis do you state that >> opinion. I would >> suggest to you that the tanks skins carry considerable load and >> that those >> loads will want to transfer to the spar by the most direct >> route...which >> will be primarily through the #8 skin screws. > > Does the fact that the skin is dimpled help carry load, > or do the screws themselves carry the load? > > Won't the aluminium skin fail long before the "wimpy" SS screws? > > I recall someone doing a write-up on rivet strength in shear, > and one of the results was that a dimpled skin with a flush > rivet was much stronger than any other type of rivet, with > the conclusion that the dimpled skin was carrying load. > Perhaps someone else knows where to find that report. Bill Marvel's report is at: http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/rvlinks/marvelrivets.html I know there are a number of RVs flying with SS screws instead of AN hardware on the fuel tanks, and I haven't heard of any failures yet. But that is an experiment that I personally don't want to do. I'm reminded of an Australian P-3 that was subjected to a significant overstress. The aerodynamic loads were high enough that the wing leading edges came off the spar, destroying the ability of the wing to function, leading to a fatal accident. SS screws in the tank attachments may work just fine, until the day that there is an significant, inadvertent overstress. Then you could discover that the aircraft no longer has the hoped for 1.5 factor of safety, as the tanks come off well before the spar fails. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:07 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: First Flight From: "B25Flyer" --> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer" All, Ken Asbe, a police officer in Clear Lake, Iowa ordered a tail kit in 1989. He pounded the spar together in his basement. He raised a family, remodeled one house and built another, all the while slowly but surely pounding rivets. I have been working with him to get him current and a tailwheel endorsement. (no time for flying) The airplane was ready before he was and he asked me to fly it. On Wednesday night N851S broke ground and flew. The first flight was cut short by a plugged injector, but a few minutes work solved that and I flew it again for about 40 minutes. It has an IO-320 with a Bernie Warnke prop. It is an incredibly light airplane, 1020# I think, and my impression was of how wonderful "light" RV's fly. Ken is not on this list but you can send him congrats at N851S@yahoo.com Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31823#31823 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:43 AM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight Cc: N851S@yahoo.com --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Ken, Congratulations ! May your cross-countrys have strong tailwinds, and your landings be into the wind. Now speakin' as a brother of the badge, watch-out for those folks in ATC. They're always beatin' up cops about our "Adam, Boy, Charles" verses their "Alpha, Bravo, Charlies". And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in back.... I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' up our skies ! (asbestos britches on, fire at will :-) Chuck B25Flyer wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer" All, Ken Asbe, a police officer in Clear Lake, Iowa ordered a tail kit in 1989. He pounded the spar together in his basement. He raised a family, remodeled one house and built another, all the while slowly but surely pounding rivets. I have been working with him to get him current and a tailwheel endorsement. (no time for flying) The airplane was ready before he was and he asked me to fly it. On Wednesday night N851S broke ground and flew. The first flight was cut short by a plugged injector, but a few minutes work solved that and I flew it again for about 40 minutes. It has an IO-320 with a Bernie Warnke prop. It is an incredibly light airplane, 1020# I think, and my impression was of how wonderful "light" RV's fly. Ken is not on this list but you can send him congrats at N851S@yahoo.com Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31823#31823 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:30 PM PST US From: chaztuna@adelphia.net Subject: RV-List: RV-6A right elevator needed --> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net Listers, My friend George Newman recently had damage done to his right elevator by a serviceman. He backed the plane into a steel post. George isn't computer saavy, so he asked me to post this request for him. He would like to buy a good, straight right side elevator for his flying RV-6A. Please contact him directly by phone at (954)942-5631 George is a yacht captain, so you may have to leave a message on his voice mail. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:01 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Congratulations on the first flight Ken. As another "brother of the badge," I can second Chuck's feelings. Thie first time you accidentally give ATC a hearty "10-4" in response to a clearance, you'll be officially part of the club. Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee do not archive Chuck wrote: > > Now speakin' as a brother of the badge, watch-out for those folks in ATC. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:22 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in > back.... >I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' >up our skies ! Tis your nosewheel racist opinion. I would note that from my perspective the manly men (and at least one sexy woman) who fly taildraggers around here don't seem to fly very far. Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then they have to scurry home to mama. :) for those who don't know humor. Ron Lee DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:23 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Chuckster Prankster, NO asbestos britches that I know off will cover the fiery hell of = ignorance (...and other say it is bliss). Anyway, what year was the last commercial jetliner built with the "manly = wheel" in the back? (...ever seen the movie where Boeing does their = crosswind testing in Brazil? They would ALL ground loop upon touching = terra firma...) Anyway, what year was it when the Armed Forces switched to Sissy Pilots = by putting training wheels on the front of their flying machines? Did = they make ANY progress by doing so??? Granted, some airplanes just look very odd as a nosedragger, and then = some others just belong to an era where the nose wheel does simply not = belong!!! =20 Nice try to start another useless conversation on this list, but this = horse's cadaver doesn't even stink anymore it is so dead!=20 But you made at least one person laugh today!!! THANK YOU FOR THE = BRIEF ENTERTAINMENT :-)) =20 do not archive >>SNIP<< And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in = back.... I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose = draggers suckin' up our skies ! (asbestos britches on, fire at will :-) Chuck >>SNIP<< ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:45 PM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? ;-) -Stormy bring it on, but do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lee Sent: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:39:39 -0600 Subject: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in > back.... >I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' >up our skies ! Tis your nosewheel racist opinion. I would note that from my perspective the manly men (and at least one sexy woman) who fly taildraggers around here don't seem to fly very far. Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then they have to scurry home to mama. :) for those who don't know humor. Ron Lee DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:55 PM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: RV-List: Wing tips --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders Don't know if this was discussed before or not....so, does anyone know if there are any significant benefits from installing RV7, RV8 style wingtips on an RV6, or 6A? For example lateral stability, speed, lift, reduction in stall speed, wing loading, maneuverability, etc. If any advantages do result what are the trade-offs? Thanks. Dick Seiders RV6A, 425hrs. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:03 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: First Flight From: "B25Flyer" --> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer" I am sure glad to see that I have not lost my touch! I can start a $hit $torm without even trying!!!!! Yippee! Put the third wheel where ever you want, but if you want to sell your airplane to me when you are done with it, the little wheel will be in back Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31910#31910 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:10 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also wonder why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands" for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the humor impaired. Ron Lee Do not archive >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could >they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > >; ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:24 PM PST US From: "Stan Jones" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Stan Jones" Stormy,=0D What a lot of rot. Taildragger pilots are just people who have come to realise=0D that rudder pedals are not just foot rests.=0D Stan=0D Do not archive =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: sportav8r@aol.com=0D Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)=0D =0D --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com=0D =0D Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what coul= d they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?=0D =0D ;-)=0D =0D -Stormy=0D bring it on, but do not archive =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Ron Lee =0D Sent: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:39:39 -0600=0D Subject: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)=0D =0D =0D --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee =0D =0D =0D > And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in=0D > back....=0D =0D >I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin= '=0D >up our skies !=0D =0D Tis your nosewheel racist opinion. I would note that from my perspective= =0D the manly men (and at least one sexy woman) who fly taildraggers around=0D here don't seem to fly very far. Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then th= ey=0D have to scurry home to mama. :) for those who don't know humor.=0D =0D Ron Lee=0D =0D DO NOT ARCHIVE=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:27 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing tips --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" When the sheared tips came out, it was thought they might offer slightly better performance in stability, stall speed, climb rate, and high altitude cruise due to the slightly higher aspect ratio. The improvements were small enough that they were hard to measure, although some of the people who were really into performance modifications claimed to have demonstrated the high altitude cruise improvement. There should be some additional information in the archives. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Seiders" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: RV-List: Wing tips > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders > > Don't know if this was discussed before or not....so, does anyone know if > there are any significant benefits from installing RV7, RV8 style > wingtips > on an RV6, or 6A? For example lateral stability, speed, lift, reduction in > stall speed, wing loading, maneuverability, etc. If any advantages do > result what are the trade-offs? > Thanks. > Dick Seiders RV6A, 425hrs. > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:39 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 04/30/2006 5:34:14 PM Central Daylight Time, jpoint@mindspring.com writes: Thie first time you accidentally give ATC a hearty "10-4" in response to a clearance, you'll be officially part of the club. >>>> I'd think a hearty "I'll drink to that!" would be more appropriate from a cheesehead! 8-) Mark - do NOT archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:56 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 04/30/2006 7:48:52 PM Central Daylight Time, sportav8r@aol.com writes: >I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' >up our skies ! >>> All depends which head ya think with- above the shoulders or below the belt- y'all figger out which is which! 8-) The beat goes on... Mark do not archive this nosedragger's predjudice Phillips ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:29 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing tips --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 04/30/2006 7:53:13 PM Central Daylight Time, seiders@bellsouth.net writes: If any advantages do result what are the trade-offs? >>> FWIW I put the newer style on my -6A just because I like the way they look - no ideer 'bout all that other stuff, but I kinda doubt Van would clear the change if any real "downside"... Mark Phillips RV-6A do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:14 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Parkersburg Formation Clinic --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy Y'all! This is just a note to extend a huge heartfelt THANK YOU to all who facilitated and attended the clinic- It was a real honor and priveledge to rub elbows and keep from swapping paint with all who attended- hope I didn't scare the hell outa Pappy, Buckeye & Wizz- they each taught me a bunch. Great to see everybody again & meet with the rest of y'all who get a kick outa doing it RIGHT & TIGHT. RVrs as a whole are the best, but these guys are the best of the best, so when another clinic comes around your neck-o-the-woods, get right in that sucker and be prepared for the most intense flying available 'cause two things are guaranteed: you'll get to know your plane better than your best lover, and you will get your butt kicked and elevated to places you never imagined. HUGE thanks to Falcon and Kahuna for making this dream come true, and to the Ohio Valley RVators, especially Rick Gray for making this clinic a big success! These guys have busted their tails to bring this to us, so if yer up to it, I heartily encourage all RVers to take advantage of this awesome opportunity- it just doesn't get any better! Nuff said- Possum do not archive, not a paid endorser, and no animals were harmed in it's production..... 8-) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:38 PM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" It sure is fun to tweak the nowewheel guys, they get sooo excited! Dave do not archive ! B25Flyer wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer" > >I am sure glad to see that I have not lost my touch! I can start a $hit $torm without even trying!!!!! > >Yippee! > >Put the third wheel where ever you want, but if you want to sell your airplane to me when you are done with it, the little wheel will be in back > >Tailwinds, >Doug Rozendaal > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=31910#31910 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point >Put the third wheel where ever you want, but if you want to sell your airplane to me when you are done with it, the little wheel will be in back > > > > I'll drink to that! How's that Mark? do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:51 PM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" Long ago, my daddy tol' me that only brutes put it in the rear; gentlemen put it in front. I was too young to understand ... and never knew until after he was gone that he was a pilot... :P Definitely Do Not Archive this joke... Pat Kelley - RV-6*A* - finishing up the aft cabin --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also wonder why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands" for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the humor impaired. Ron Lee Do not archive >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could >they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > >; ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:20 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com 10-4! do not archive! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel airplane. BTW have any of you done the research to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags. Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so. I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with? The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun but doable. How about the rest of you????? Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:02 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then they >have to scurry home to mama. :) for those who don't know humor. > >Ron Lee > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > Maybe because TD pilots are the manly type they find spending time with the baby's mama as much fun as flying. ;-) do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:46 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, > not fun but doable. How about the rest of you????? > > Jerry > do not archive Jerry, that works out to about a 20 degree crab angle relative to the air at a 65 knot touchdown speed. I don't believe my RV6A has enough rudder authority to yaw the nose that far. I'll try it at altitude and see how far I can yaw the nose at 65-70 knots. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 752 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:46 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 04/30/2006 10:13:02 PM Central Daylight Time, jsflyrv@verizon.net writes: The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun but doable. How about the rest of you????? >>> KGVL AWOS reported 28kts at 35 deg from the right- landed right of CL and scooted too close for comfort left before stable on 100' wide RW- very interesting but survived... Damn awesome airplanes regardless of little wheel location! Jerry, yoo da man (I mean it!) & do not archive Sissywheel Mark ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) From: "Robin Marks" --> RV-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" Finally a place I can contribute! Build what you want, fly what you want, paint it as you will, just don't expect an RV-10 to come in a tail dragger. Mentioned earlier was the Brazilian X-Wind video. I posted it on one of my sites some time ago. http://www.painttheweb.com/crosswind/ Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Flying RV-10(A) Shipping ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:00 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: > >Damn awesome airplanes regardless of little wheel location! >Sissywheel Mark > > > The statement above is so true!!!! I do believe that everyone takes or should take this age old TW/NW debate in the fun sprit it is meant. Jerry do not archive. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:00 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Hey all,=20 1. What is the best PRIMER to use if one were to use a primer?=20 2. Should one use a primer in the first place?=20 3. Any comments are welcome for general scrutiny!=20 4. Do not archive, but I just feel a little "lose" tonight, or was that = "loose"??? (Laughter is a great medicine, ...you just have to have some humor! :-) >Damn awesome airplanes regardless of little wheel location! =20 >Sissywheel Mark The statement above is so true!!!! I do believe that everyone takes or = should take this age old TW/NW debate in the fun sprit it is meant. Jerry do not archive.