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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Mickey Coggins)
2. 03:29 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) ()
3. 04:54 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (linn Walters)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Alex Peterson)
5. 05:41 AM - Nosewheel Man (jim & terri truitt)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Parkersburg Formation Clinic (Bob Collins)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Parkersburg Formation Clinic (RGray67968@aol.com)
8. 06:30 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Jim Oke)
9. 06:36 AM - Electric trim rigging (Sherman Butler)
10. 06:56 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Mannan J. Thomason)
12. 07:15 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Dan Checkoway)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Bob Collins)
14. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Dan Beadle)
15. 07:55 AM - XCOM 760 radio (Stephen J. Soule)
16. 07:57 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Joseph Larson)
17. 08:17 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Sherman Butler)
18. 08:53 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Dan Checkoway)
19. 08:53 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (John Jessen)
20. 09:04 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Richard Tasker)
21. 09:07 AM - Double belt pulley needed for ND alternator (chaztuna@adelphia.net)
22. 09:24 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Mark Grieve)
23. 09:43 AM - Brake Discs (Wentz, Don)
24. 10:12 AM - VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (chaztuna@adelphia.net)
25. 10:25 AM - Re: Brake Discs (Ron Lee)
26. 10:25 AM - Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? (Ron Lee)
27. 10:28 AM - Re: Brake Discs (chaztuna@adelphia.net)
28. 10:35 AM - Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (Ralph E. Capen)
29. 10:58 AM - Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (Larygagnon@aol.com)
30. 11:12 AM - Re: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? (Randy Lervold)
31. 12:28 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck)
32. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck)
33. 12:35 PM - Re: Brake Discs (Disregard previous post) (Ron Lee)
34. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Konrad L. Werner)
35. 01:07 PM - Re: First Flight (Chuck)
36. 01:19 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
37. 02:27 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Rick Galati)
38. 02:35 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
39. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry Springer)
40. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Konrad L. Werner)
41. 04:50 PM - Silver State Fly In (Jim Anglin)
42. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck)
43. 08:05 PM - panel design (jay pearlman)
44. 08:43 PM - Re: panel design (Walter Tondu)
45. 09:07 PM - Ohio Valley RVators Formation Clinic (RGray67968@aol.com)
46. 09:38 PM - Panel Clearance Sale (Paul Besing)
47. 09:56 PM - Re: Panel Clearance Sale (Vanremog@aol.com)
48. 10:23 PM - Re: panel design (Bill VonDane)
49. 11:33 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
50. 11:33 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol"
>
> It sure is fun to tweak the nowewheel guys, they get sooo excited!
>
> Dave
They do seem to be wound up pretty tight. :-)
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: <jmsears@adelphia.net>
> Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel
> airplane. BTW have any of you done the research
> to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose
> wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's?
Alas, I'm one of those nose gear drivers; but, I have my reasons.
First, I don't have a tailwheel endorsement. Around here, it's a little
hard to get one because of the insurance. FBOs can afford insurance for
nose gear airplanes more easily than they can afford the insurance for
taildraggers for instruction purposes. (Hmm. What does that reflect?)
Second, the insurance is about 20% higher for a tail wheel RV. My small
budget does well to allow me the priviledge of owning an airplane. I'd also
like the ability to afford the gas for it. (Hmmm. That's a lot of premium
difference for equal airplanes.)
Third, I may want to sell my airplane (without cutting it up for parts); so,
I may have a better chance of selling it as a tri-gear. One has to think of
the bottom line. Most of us who can still afford to fly, these days, are
beyond the age for feeling that we need to be macho, anyway. :-)
That said, I'm not afraid to fly a tail dragger; but, I must be frugal
(cheap?) to keep flying. Momma won't let me have any money; so, I have to
spend mine! :-)
> You might be surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an
> airplane makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.
I agree with Jerry. However, I guess the insurance companies have seen
otherwise. I've seen damage to both types of RVs and found it was pilot
error that caused them. Alas, one can't build stupidity out of our RV's.
Each of us has some amount of stupidity built in, as well. Not good. It
does make for a good show when the two come together, though. A good place
for that action is at a fly-in. That's when stupidity and macho come
together in a roaring fashion. Great for spectator points. Not good for
the wallet. :-(
> Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a
> NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.
Let's see. As we get older, many of us tend to become more like children,
again. Children tend to have less attention span than adults. Since I'm
about to turn 60, I must be becoming more like a child because I do have my
toys. I guess my attention span is getting shorter. Hmmm. I'd better
stick with the nose gear. :-)
> I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most
> of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?
> The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun
> but doable. How about the rest of you?????
I've never done that in my RV. On days with 20+ kts winds, around here, a
crosswind means the winds are coming right off the knobs (little 600 feet
high hills that create nasty turbulence) and trees that border the runway.
A nasty combination for anyone. It also means the ride is going to be
rougher than a cob, if wants to challenge the crosswinds. At my age, I'd
prefer to not beat myself up to prove that I'm more macho than my flying
buddies. They'd just think the stupidity is coming out of me, again,
anyway. I'm sure they'd be out there to see if I damage anything when I
land. :-)
Years ago, when I owned a C172, I did to a take off from a 150' wide runway
that was being blessed with a 25kt direct crosswind. To compensate for my
airplane's lack of rudder authority, and my lack of experience with that
much crosswind, I placed the airplane on the side of the runway closest to
the wind. I used the whole width of the runway to do the take off. I used
all of the rudder and ailerons I could muster for the job. It wasn't
pretty; but, I got airborn. I just wonder what my landing would have been
like. Well, I guess I'd never find out because I'd have picked another
airport with a runway into the wind. :-)
Anyway, I just love the debate. It's one that will be around as long as
there are tailwheels vs nose wheels. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
With a name like Jerry Springer ...... Sorry, just couldn't resist.
Wasn't going to comment because it isn't directly RV related ..... but
couldn't keep the fingers off the keyboard. I've had a direct crosswind
of 30K, gusting 40K once ..... in my Pitts. But then, I built it with a
larger rudder to hide my ham-fisted akro capabilities. Sorry purists
..... tailwheel airplane won't make you a better pilot ..... but it
will make you a more alert one ..... and I find NW pilots tend to forget
what the rudder really does. Especially if they're flying an airplane
with coupled NW/rudder.
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Linn
Jerry Springer wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
>
>
>
>>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because
a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do?
Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel
>airplane. BTW have any of you done the research
>to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose
>wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be
>surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane
>makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.
>Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a
>NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.
>I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most
>of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?
>The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun
>but doable. How about the rest of you?????
>
>Jerry
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol"
> >
> > It sure is fun to tweak the nowewheel guys, they get sooo excited!
> >
> > Dave
>
> They do seem to be wound up pretty tight. :-)
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
I don't know ... it seems to be the tailwheel guys who get all defensive....
I couldn't give a rip if you want to land your plane out of a tailslide,
just let me know when so I can watch!
Well, now I think I'll go back up my boat trailer at 50 mph for fun:^)
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Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 752 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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--> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt <jimteri1@earthlink.net>
How's this for Manly - I fly what I WANT to fly.
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| Subject: | Parkersburg Formation Clinic |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
If there's anybody who has any pictures or can write a couple of paragraphs.
I'd love to put a little story in this week's RV Newsletter. Looks like I'll
come up short otherwise since the only other chatter is something about
nosewheels and tailwheels. (g)
Send to me please at rvnewsletter@comcast.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:06 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com; teamrv@yahoogroups.com;
> OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com; rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Parkersburg Formation Clinic
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> Howdy Y'all!
>
> This is just a note to extend a huge heartfelt THANK YOU to all who
> facilitated and attended the clinic- It was a real honor and
> priveledge to rub elbows
> and keep from swapping paint with all who attended- hope I
> didn't scare the
> hell outa Pappy, Buckeye & Wizz- they each taught me a bunch.
> Great to see
> everybody again & meet with the rest of y'all who get a kick
> outa doing it RIGHT &
> TIGHT. RVrs as a whole are the best, but these guys are the
> best of the best,
> so when another clinic comes around your neck-o-the-woods,
> get right in that
> sucker and be prepared for the most intense flying available
> 'cause two things
> are guaranteed: you'll get to know your plane better than
> your best lover,
> and you will get your butt kicked and elevated to places you
> never imagined.
>
> HUGE thanks to Falcon and Kahuna for making this dream come
> true, and to the
> Ohio Valley RVators, especially Rick Gray for making this
> clinic a big
> success! These guys have busted their tails to bring this to
> us, so if yer up to it,
> I heartily encourage all RVers to take advantage of this
> awesome opportunity-
> it just doesn't get any better!
>
> Nuff said- Possum
> do not archive, not a paid endorser, and no animals were
> harmed in it's
> production..... 8-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parkersburg Formation Clinic |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
It's on the way Bob,
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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If there's anybody who has any pictures or can write a couple of paragraphs.
I'd love to put a little story in this week's RV Newsletter. Looks like I'll
come up short otherwise since the only other chatter is something about
nosewheels and tailwheels. (g)
Send to me please at rvnewsletter@comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Platenut Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
Not to muddy the waters too much on this but the loading situation on
the tank screws is surely a single shear situation with some clamping
friction which "may" be enhanced by the dimpling of the underlying
structure depending on the quality of the work. In other words, simple
comparison of the tensile strength of the SS screw versus a steel screw
are not the appropriate comparison in assessing this joint. Agree that
greater tensile strength in the screws would allow more clamping
friction to be generated when torquing the screws down and so, in
theory, provide greater load ability.
In a positive G pull up, the mass of the fuel in the tank will tend to
rotate the tank LE downward putting the upper aft edge of the tank skin
in tension. There is no clear rotation point but the lower skin should
be in compression and there could be a skin failure due wrinkling before
the screws become heavily stressed. The tank baffle (aft side of the
tank) should at some point come into contact with the spar structure if
the lower tank skin starts wrinkling which would make the strength in
the lower screws irrelevant past this point.
The outer end of the tank is supported by the tank skin lap to LE joint
which will support some of the load as would the inboard tank support
bracket that mates with the equivalent item on the fuselage. Not all RV
models have this however.
Just looking at the situation, my thoughts are that the screw spacing is
driven as much by the need for a neat and tidy tank to wing join vice
any loading consideration. The loading envelope involves a lot more
positive G than negative G which would imply that the upper surface
screws are more heavily stressed and there would/should be a need for
more screws on the top of the tank than the bottom if the strength
requirement was critical. AFAIK, most of the RV designs use the same
spacing top and bottom which suggests that the tank to wing join may be
simply a case of "intelligent overdesign".
As Kevin notes, using something besides the tried and proven fasteners
is getting into the nature of an experiment with serious consequences if
it goes wrong. This is the sort of thing that calls for a ground static
load test to destruction to see what fails first, etc. (just in case
anyone has a spare set of wings they would want to sacrifice). Vans has
done static load testing of some of the RV wing designs but the pictures
I have seen do not look like they added any extra load to replicate the
mass of the fuel in the tanks. That is, they were looking more at spar
bending strength than tank to wing joint integrity.
A final thought is that examination of RVs that have crashed with
significant vertical velocity leading to a lot of positive G should
indicate how and if the tanks separate from the wing structure. Has
anyone seen such a crashed RV with anything to report?
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
Wpg, MB
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>On 30 Apr 2006, at 02:54, Mickey Coggins wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" <bobbarrow10@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>I believe that the "structural" portion of fuel tank attachment
>>>>comes
>>>>from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and
>>>>the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage.
>>>>The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin
>>>>down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Why do you "believe" that. On what basis do you state that
>>>opinion. I would
>>>suggest to you that the tanks skins carry considerable load and
>>>that those
>>>loads will want to transfer to the spar by the most direct
>>>route...which
>>>will be primarily through the #8 skin screws.
>>>
>>>
>>Does the fact that the skin is dimpled help carry load,
>>or do the screws themselves carry the load?
>>
>>Won't the aluminium skin fail long before the "wimpy" SS screws?
>>
>>I recall someone doing a write-up on rivet strength in shear,
>>and one of the results was that a dimpled skin with a flush
>>rivet was much stronger than any other type of rivet, with
>>the conclusion that the dimpled skin was carrying load.
>>Perhaps someone else knows where to find that report.
>>
>>
>
>Bill Marvel's report is at:
>
>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/rvlinks/marvelrivets.html
>
>I know there are a number of RVs flying with SS screws instead of AN
>hardware on the fuel tanks, and I haven't heard of any failures yet.
>But that is an experiment that I personally don't want to do. I'm
>reminded of an Australian P-3 that was subjected to a significant
>overstress. The aerodynamic loads were high enough that the wing
>leading edges came off the spar, destroying the ability of the wing
>to function, leading to a fatal accident.
>
>SS screws in the tank attachments may work just fine, until the day
>that there is an significant, inadvertent overstress. Then you could
>discover that the aircraft no longer has the hoped for 1.5 factor of
>safety, as the tanks come off well before the spar fails.
>
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
I have found the documentation on rigging the electrioc rudder trim thin. Are
there any guidelines for a apoximate length for the trreadded rod? Is the servo
in the retracted position? What is the normal angle of the trim tab at the
servo retracted position? What is the stroke of the servo? Wiring diragram?
Thanks
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCPower.com>
Guys,
I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full
stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane
(Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane!
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
574 Hrs Second offender
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net
<mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net> >
Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may
be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also
wonder
why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go
beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding
hands"
for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the
humor
impaired.
Ron Lee
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>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an
hour
>because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what
could
>they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway
foamed?
>
>;
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
First liar in this fray didn't have a chance, did he? (g)
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 Almost finished
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm
(just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the
arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that
line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of
the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the
pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator.
That is how I rigged mine (RV-7), and I haven't had any problems in nearly
900 hours. No binding at either end of full travel. My 2 cents is to start
there, and you can always tweak it one way or another after you fly to bias
the range up or down.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (882 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherman Butler" <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: RV-List: Electric trim rigging
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>
>
> I have found the documentation on rigging the electrioc rudder trim thin.
> Are there any guidelines for a apoximate length for the trreadded rod? Is
> the servo in the retracted position? What is the normal angle of the trim
> tab at the servo retracted position? What is the stroke of the servo?
> Wiring diragram?
> Thanks
>
>
> Sherman Butler
> RV-7a Wings
> Idaho Falls
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Just curious. Does anyone think anybody's going to *win* this argument? If
not, would y'all please come over to the garage and use the energy to help
build my plane? (g)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:54 AM
> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
Why land crosswind in an RV at 48K? I would just point into the wind and
hover down, perhaps perpendicular to the RW..... With low stall, strong
winds and reasonably wide runways TW works.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic
W UTPWR
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:54 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR"
<Fred.Stucklen@UTCPower.com>
Guys,
I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full
stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane
(Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane!
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
574 Hrs Second offender
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net
<mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net> >
Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may
be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also
wonder
why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go
beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding
hands"
for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the
humor
impaired.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an
hour
>because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what
could
>they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway
foamed?
>
>;
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Does anyone have experience (good, bad or indifferent) with the XCOM 760?
Steve Soule
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson <jpl@showpage.org>
Jerry,
I don't think it's a matter of fear. I'd love a tail wheel
endorsement, but I've never been presented with the chance to earn
one. Well, I *could* have taken time off when I was working on my
instrument rating (the FBO had a Citabria for a while), but I stuck
to the instrument rating at the time...
I don't think it's fear. But someone from Van's once said:
This is a get there kind of airplane. At the end of a long day, at
dusk, landing at an unfamiliar field in a crosswind, you don't really
want a challenging landing besides.
When I heard that, that's when I decided to go for the -6A instead of
the -6. Because I get what I want out of it -- a get there kind of
airplane that's fun to fly.
-Joe
On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
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> Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel
> airplane.
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Thanks Dan.
Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly?
Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm
(just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the
arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that
line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of
the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the
pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly?
Believe it or not I used a 9V battery at the time. Didn't have my 12V handy
and the little 9V worked just fine.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I was building all weekend so came late to this thread. LOL! Now this is
much better entertainment than you get on TV or radio.
Ok, that settles it. I'm heading down to Woodhaven, or whatever that
woodworking store is called, and picking myself up a castering shop cart
wheel, a big one. I'm going to build a mount for it, something that slants
downward from the tail, then after landing and parking in the RV section of
whatever air show, I'm mounting that wheel, along with a bag of shot in the
rear to weight it down. Now with the plane safely angled in the right
direction, I can brag about my ability to tap dance, spend an hour flying
before heading home to make sure mamma is feeling satisfied, do some close
hand holding with my buddies going to and from air shows, and generally feel
good about my plane's manliness! I love it......
John Jessen
40328 (working on the RV-10 Tailcone and designing my fourth wheel)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
You MUST power it to move it. If you pull it you will likely break some
gear teeth!
Dick Tasker
Sherman Butler wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
>
>Thanks Dan.
> Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly?
>
>Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
>
>What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm
>(just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the
>arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that
>line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of
>the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the
>pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator.
>
>
>Sherman Butler
>RV-7a Wings
>Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Double belt pulley needed for ND alternator |
Cc: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net
Listers,
A friend of mine who is building a Cosy MK4, needs to install an extra fan belt
to keep his water pump from slipping at high power (Mazda 13B engine). He needs
to find a dual belt pulley for his Nippon Denso alternator. Does anyone know
of a vehicle that used dual Vee belts with an ND alternator? How about a source
for the pulley?
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Electric trim rigging |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
We used a battery from a Makita 9.6 volt cordless drill. We just touched
the leads to the contacts on the battery. Reverse the leads to reverse
the direction of travel I believe.
Mark
Richard Tasker wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> You MUST power it to move it. If you pull it you will likely break some
> gear teeth!
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> Sherman Butler wrote:
>
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
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>> Thanks Dan.
>> Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly?
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6?
Dw
RV-6 925hrs
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| Subject: | VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question |
--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net
Listers,
Could someone tell me the length of Vans VA-168 Manifold for mounting your various
sending units?
Charlie Kuss
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
The ones I use on my RV6A Sissy plane are RA66-106
but get a confirming email from someone else.
Ron Lee
>Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6?
>Dw
>RV-6 925hrs
>
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| Subject: | Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Is this a possibility?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Cc: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net
Don,
The Cleveland number is 164-01700. If you'd like to upgrade your brakes a bit,
you can order a pair of 164-0990 discs. These are thicker than the stock units
and will require that you make a spacer plate to be installed between the halves
of your brake calipers. The spacer is to compensate for the additional thickness
of these rotors. ACS and Wicks sell an "upgrade" kit for RV brakes which
uses these rotors. They get $300 for the kit, which contains two 164-09900
rotors, two caliper spacers and 4 slightly longer caliper bolts. You can save
money on the upgrade by making the spacers yourself and just buying the bolts.
FYI the "upgrade" discs are slightly LESS expensive than the stock rotors. Go
figure!
Charlie Kuss
---- "Wentz wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
>
> Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6?
> Dw
> RV-6 925hrs
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| Subject: | Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I just installed this on Saturday - didn't measure it though...got pictures regardless.....if
you haven't gotten an answer, I'll measure it over the weekend.......
-----Original Message-----
>From: chaztuna@adelphia.net
>Sent: May 1, 2006 1:08 PM
>To: RV List <Rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net
>
>Listers,
> Could someone tell me the length of Vans VA-168 Manifold for mounting your various
sending units?
>Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com
It measures 5 inches long, 3/4 inch wide and 1 inch tall.
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
> Is this a possibility?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
We're putting on a clinic June 30th in the Northwest, still have room
available...
http://www.romeolima.com/FormationClinic/
Randy Lervold
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| Subject: | RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Welcome John. I respectfully accept your inadequacies.... I understand Van did
it for "sale" appeal. And I do admit I can't want until one of my friends
gets done building their RV-10 so I can go flyin' with them.
Just a heads-up; periodically, I like to run over and swat this RV-List/Hornets
Nest and sit back whilst they get all lathered up. Hecka doodle, it's almost
as much fun as taping a cat to my neighbor's front door and ringin' the bell.
I usually don't even run, cuz' the cat gets un-stuck when they open the
door, and I can't run straight when I'm laughin' & cryin' that hard.
Take air,
Chuck
John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
I was building all weekend so came late to this thread. LOL! Now this is
much better entertainment than you get on TV or radio.
Ok, that settles it. I'm heading down to Woodhaven, or whatever that
woodworking store is called, and picking myself up a castering shop cart
wheel, a big one. I'm going to build a mount for it, something that slants
downward from the tail, then after landing and parking in the RV section of
whatever air show, I'm mounting that wheel, along with a bag of shot in the
rear to weight it down. Now with the plane safely angled in the right
direction, I can brag about my ability to tap dance, spend an hour flying
before heading home to make sure mamma is feeling satisfied, do some close
hand holding with my buddies going to and from air shows, and generally feel
good about my plane's manliness! I love it......
John Jessen
40328 (working on the RV-10 Tailcone and designing my fourth wheel)
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". If it was 48 Knots, I could
put her straight down like them there silly hilly-chopters thingees (Ya'll
know them things don't really fly.... they just beat the air into submission).
Chuck
Do Not Archive
"Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCPower.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR"
Guys,
I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full
stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane
(Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane!
Fred Stucklen
RV-6A N926RV
574 Hrs Second offender
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net
>
Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may
be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also
wonder
why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go
beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding
hands"
for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the
humor
impaired.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an
hour
>because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what
could
>they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway
foamed?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Discs (Disregard previous post) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Disregard my part number. I gave you disk PADS, not the discs.
Ron Lee
Archive since the wrong info was in my previous post
At 11:23 AM 5/31/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>The ones I use on my RV6A Sissy plane are RA66-106
>but get a confirming email from someone else.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
> >Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6?
> >Dw
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". =20
Dear Chuck, if this was a math test then the answer is 48! =20
Smack dab in "between 47 & 49"! =20
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Hi Konrad,
I believe in re-incarnation. That white ol' carcass, of what use to be a dead
horse, is sure fun to drag out and watch other people beat. I'll just wait
a few more months and try it again.... either that or I'll mention the primer
routine.
Hell I lose all control of my involuntary muscles watchin' 'em go after that
bit.
Remember; "Why take life too serious, you're never gonna get out of it alive
anyway."
Chuck
"Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner"
Chuckster Prankster,
NO asbestos britches that I know off will cover the fiery hell of =
ignorance (...and other say it is bliss).
Anyway, what year was the last commercial jetliner built with the "manly =
wheel" in the back? (...ever seen the movie where Boeing does their =
crosswind testing in Brazil? They would ALL ground loop upon touching =
terra firma...)
Anyway, what year was it when the Armed Forces switched to Sissy Pilots =
by putting training wheels on the front of their flying machines? Did =
they make ANY progress by doing so???
Granted, some airplanes just look very odd as a nosedragger, and then =
some others just belong to an era where the nose wheel does simply not =
belong!!! =20
Nice try to start another useless conversation on this list, but this =
horse's cadaver doesn't even stink anymore it is so dead!=20
But you made at least one person laugh today!!! THANK YOU FOR THE =
BRIEF ENTERTAINMENT :-)) =20
do not archive
>>SNIP<<
And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in =
back.... I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose =
draggers suckin' up our skies !
(asbestos britches on, fire at will :-) Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
We taildragger fans will have to concede that the delivery of the first
Atomic Bomb was trusted to the nose-wheeled B-29.
Of course by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that
they may have had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of all
aircraft . . .
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139 working on fuselage with tail spring proudly mounted.
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
[quote...by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that they may have
had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of all
aircraft . . . Pete Cowper[/quote]
While many among us continue to be eternally fixated on the proper position of
that 3rd wheel (as if our opinion could ever change a single mind), it may be
helpful to remember yet another insightful perspective, this one originating from
our esteemed Navy brethern......"Flare to land, squat to pee!" [Shocked]
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32136#32136
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
Just ask Jerry if his HUGE crosswind rudder is the same one that came with
the kit...
Sorry Jerry, I couldn't let ya get away with this even though you let me
skid by on that last biennial...
Plz do not archive
Jerry Cochran
Another NW Weenee
Wilsonville, OR
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour
because
a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do?
Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?
>
Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel
airplane. BTW have any of you done the research
to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose
wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be
surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane
makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.
Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a
NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.
I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most
of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?
The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun
but doable. How about the rest of you?????
Jerry
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Listers...
Just ask Jerry if his HUGE crosswind rudder is the same one that came with
the kit...
Sorry Jerry, I couldn't let ya get away with this even though you let me
skid by on that last biennial...
Plz do not archive
Jerry Cochran
Another NW Weenee
Wilsonville, OR
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Ah Jerry C. it is just that you were scaring me so much that I had to sign you
off just so I could get out of the airplane. :-)
When I landed in that X-wind situation I had not yet put the RV-7 rudder on my
RV-6, shot I could probably do 40 kts now. (NOT) :-)
BTW I finally got the rudder and vertical stab.painted and it looks really nice
with the checker board pattern.
Jerry (all in good fun) Springer
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Pete,
You must be single . . . ? :-)
I met a few WASP's, and they flew aircraft many of us can only dream =
about. Great gal's, and even greater pilots!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Pete Cowper=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
We taildragger fans will have to concede that the delivery of the =
first
Atomic Bomb was trusted to the nose-wheeled B-29.
Of course by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that
they may have had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of =
all
aircraft . . .=20
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139 working on fuselage with tail spring proudly mounted.
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No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: =
4/28/2006
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| Subject: | Silver State Fly In |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
I haven't seen anything for a while about the Carson Fly In - is it =
still on for this weekend?
Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
It's them dang VG's.... I'm guessin' but a rough estimate would be 47.53856432
~ mph
I just can't get it to stall unless the power's off.
oh please Do Not Archive this dribble !
"Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner"
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck
Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". =20
Dear Chuck, if this was a math test then the answer is 48! =20
Smack dab in "between 47 & 49"! =20
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: jay pearlman <rv6jp@yahoo.com>
Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to try
our ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: panel design |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 05/01 8:01, jay pearlman wrote:
> Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to
try our ideas?
What I did was to print on my color printer the instruments that I though
I wanted in the panel. I printed them life-sized. I got the pictures
here and there from the internet, they're easy to find. Then arranged them
as I liked on the actual full-sized panel. It's much better than a program
since it's faster and it's full sized. When you are happy with your
arrangement, take a few photos and send it off to you panel cutter or do it
yourself.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| Subject: | Ohio Valley RVators Formation Clinic |
--> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com
Here are a few pics from our 3rd Annual Ohio Valley RVators formation clinic
18 ship 'All Up' formation yesterday. The 'Diamond of Diamonds plus 2' shot
is pretty sweet. Click on the link and look in the 'PKB 06 air to air' folder:
_http://members9.clubphoto.com/rick398651/owner-e5f1-1.phtml_
(http://members9.clubphoto.com/rick398651/owner-e5f1-1.phtml)
The Clinic Wrap Up, more pics, and videos can be found on Doug's site
Tuesday morning at:
_http://www.vansairforce.net/_ (http://www.vansairforce.net/)
A big thank you goes out to Stu 'Falcon' McCurdy and Mike 'Kahuna' Stewart
for their continued support of our OVRVators group!
Enjoy....."You Snooze....You Looze"!!
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
do not archive
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| Subject: | Panel Clearance Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Ok..working on the new panel and have a bunch of stuff
for sale:
Altimeter: $100
VSI: $75
ACK Encoder: $50
Terra Transponder: $200
Sigtronics Stereo Intercom: $50
Vans 2 lever quadrant (but have extra parts to make 3
lever) $25
All Guages $20 each
Amps/Volts
CHT/EGT
Vans Fuel Pressure
Oil PSI/Temp
8 Day Clock
Shipping $5 each unless you buy more than one item,
and it's still $5 for the total order. I can take
paypal or check in the mail is fine. Pictures are on
Vans airforce.com
do not archive
Paul Besing
RV-4 Arizona
73DD
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Clearance Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/1/2006 9:40:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pbesing@yahoo.com writes:
All Guages $20 each
Do you have any switch gaurds? ;o)
The not-so-phantom spell checker. Do not archive.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: panel design |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
www.epanelbuilder.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jay pearlman" <rv6jp@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: panel design
--> RV-List message posted by: jay pearlman <rv6jp@yahoo.com>
Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to
try our ideas?
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| Subject: | Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
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PLEASE READ. This document contains RV-List policies and information
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
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Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
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Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
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RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
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that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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| Subject: | Official RV-List Usage Guidelines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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