---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/01/06: 50 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Mickey Coggins) 2. 03:29 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) () 3. 04:54 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (linn Walters) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Alex Peterson) 5. 05:41 AM - Nosewheel Man (jim & terri truitt) 6. 06:22 AM - Re: Parkersburg Formation Clinic (Bob Collins) 7. 06:28 AM - Re: Parkersburg Formation Clinic (RGray67968@aol.com) 8. 06:30 AM - Re: Platenut Life (Jim Oke) 9. 06:36 AM - Electric trim rigging (Sherman Butler) 10. 06:56 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 11. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Mannan J. Thomason) 12. 07:15 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Dan Checkoway) 13. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Bob Collins) 14. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Dan Beadle) 15. 07:55 AM - XCOM 760 radio (Stephen J. Soule) 16. 07:57 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Joseph Larson) 17. 08:17 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Sherman Butler) 18. 08:53 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Dan Checkoway) 19. 08:53 AM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (John Jessen) 20. 09:04 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Richard Tasker) 21. 09:07 AM - Double belt pulley needed for ND alternator (chaztuna@adelphia.net) 22. 09:24 AM - Re: Electric trim rigging (Mark Grieve) 23. 09:43 AM - Brake Discs (Wentz, Don) 24. 10:12 AM - VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (chaztuna@adelphia.net) 25. 10:25 AM - Re: Brake Discs (Ron Lee) 26. 10:25 AM - Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? (Ron Lee) 27. 10:28 AM - Re: Brake Discs (chaztuna@adelphia.net) 28. 10:35 AM - Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (Ralph E. Capen) 29. 10:58 AM - Re: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question (Larygagnon@aol.com) 30. 11:12 AM - Re: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? (Randy Lervold) 31. 12:28 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck) 32. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck) 33. 12:35 PM - Re: Brake Discs (Disregard previous post) (Ron Lee) 34. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Konrad L. Werner) 35. 01:07 PM - Re: First Flight (Chuck) 36. 01:19 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)) 37. 02:27 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Rick Galati) 38. 02:35 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 39. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Jerry Springer) 40. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Konrad L. Werner) 41. 04:50 PM - Silver State Fly In (Jim Anglin) 42. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Chuck) 43. 08:05 PM - panel design (jay pearlman) 44. 08:43 PM - Re: panel design (Walter Tondu) 45. 09:07 PM - Ohio Valley RVators Formation Clinic (RGray67968@aol.com) 46. 09:38 PM - Panel Clearance Sale (Paul Besing) 47. 09:56 PM - Re: Panel Clearance Sale (Vanremog@aol.com) 48. 10:23 PM - Re: panel design (Bill VonDane) 49. 11:33 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 50. 11:33 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:44 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > > It sure is fun to tweak the nowewheel guys, they get sooo excited! > > Dave They do seem to be wound up pretty tight. :-) -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:51 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: > Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel > airplane. BTW have any of you done the research > to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose > wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? Alas, I'm one of those nose gear drivers; but, I have my reasons. First, I don't have a tailwheel endorsement. Around here, it's a little hard to get one because of the insurance. FBOs can afford insurance for nose gear airplanes more easily than they can afford the insurance for taildraggers for instruction purposes. (Hmm. What does that reflect?) Second, the insurance is about 20% higher for a tail wheel RV. My small budget does well to allow me the priviledge of owning an airplane. I'd also like the ability to afford the gas for it. (Hmmm. That's a lot of premium difference for equal airplanes.) Third, I may want to sell my airplane (without cutting it up for parts); so, I may have a better chance of selling it as a tri-gear. One has to think of the bottom line. Most of us who can still afford to fly, these days, are beyond the age for feeling that we need to be macho, anyway. :-) That said, I'm not afraid to fly a tail dragger; but, I must be frugal (cheap?) to keep flying. Momma won't let me have any money; so, I have to spend mine! :-) > You might be surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an > airplane makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags. I agree with Jerry. However, I guess the insurance companies have seen otherwise. I've seen damage to both types of RVs and found it was pilot error that caused them. Alas, one can't build stupidity out of our RV's. Each of us has some amount of stupidity built in, as well. Not good. It does make for a good show when the two come together, though. A good place for that action is at a fly-in. That's when stupidity and macho come together in a roaring fashion. Great for spectator points. Not good for the wallet. :-( > Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a > NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so. Let's see. As we get older, many of us tend to become more like children, again. Children tend to have less attention span than adults. Since I'm about to turn 60, I must be becoming more like a child because I do have my toys. I guess my attention span is getting shorter. Hmmm. I'd better stick with the nose gear. :-) > I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most > of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with? > The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun > but doable. How about the rest of you????? I've never done that in my RV. On days with 20+ kts winds, around here, a crosswind means the winds are coming right off the knobs (little 600 feet high hills that create nasty turbulence) and trees that border the runway. A nasty combination for anyone. It also means the ride is going to be rougher than a cob, if wants to challenge the crosswinds. At my age, I'd prefer to not beat myself up to prove that I'm more macho than my flying buddies. They'd just think the stupidity is coming out of me, again, anyway. I'm sure they'd be out there to see if I damage anything when I land. :-) Years ago, when I owned a C172, I did to a take off from a 150' wide runway that was being blessed with a 25kt direct crosswind. To compensate for my airplane's lack of rudder authority, and my lack of experience with that much crosswind, I placed the airplane on the side of the runway closest to the wind. I used the whole width of the runway to do the take off. I used all of the rudder and ailerons I could muster for the job. It wasn't pretty; but, I got airborn. I just wonder what my landing would have been like. Well, I guess I'd never find out because I'd have picked another airport with a runway into the wind. :-) Anyway, I just love the debate. It's one that will be around as long as there are tailwheels vs nose wheels. :-) Jim Sears in KY do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:03 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters With a name like Jerry Springer ...... Sorry, just couldn't resist. Wasn't going to comment because it isn't directly RV related ..... but couldn't keep the fingers off the keyboard. I've had a direct crosswind of 30K, gusting 40K once ..... in my Pitts. But then, I built it with a larger rudder to hide my ham-fisted akro capabilities. Sorry purists ..... tailwheel airplane won't make you a better pilot ..... but it will make you a more alert one ..... and I find NW pilots tend to forget what the rudder really does. Especially if they're flying an airplane with coupled NW/rudder. do not archive Linn Jerry Springer wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > > > >>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? >> >> >> > > >Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel >airplane. BTW have any of you done the research >to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose >wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be >surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane >makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags. >Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a >NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so. >I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most >of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with? >The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun >but doable. How about the rest of you????? > >Jerry >do not archive > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:24 AM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > --> RV-List message posted by: "D.Bristol" > > > > It sure is fun to tweak the nowewheel guys, they get sooo excited! > > > > Dave > > They do seem to be wound up pretty tight. :-) > > -- > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 finishing I don't know ... it seems to be the tailwheel guys who get all defensive.... I couldn't give a rip if you want to land your plane out of a tailslide, just let me know when so I can watch! Well, now I think I'll go back up my boat trailer at 50 mph for fun:^) do not archive Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 752 hours Maple Grove, MN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:41 AM PST US From: jim & terri truitt Subject: RV-List: Nosewheel Man --> RV-List message posted by: jim & terri truitt How's this for Manly - I fly what I WANT to fly. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:19 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Parkersburg Formation Clinic --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" If there's anybody who has any pictures or can write a couple of paragraphs. I'd love to put a little story in this week's RV Newsletter. Looks like I'll come up short otherwise since the only other chatter is something about nosewheels and tailwheels. (g) Send to me please at rvnewsletter@comcast.net > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Fiveonepw@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:06 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com; teamrv@yahoogroups.com; > OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com; rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Parkersburg Formation Clinic > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Howdy Y'all! > > This is just a note to extend a huge heartfelt THANK YOU to all who > facilitated and attended the clinic- It was a real honor and > priveledge to rub elbows > and keep from swapping paint with all who attended- hope I > didn't scare the > hell outa Pappy, Buckeye & Wizz- they each taught me a bunch. > Great to see > everybody again & meet with the rest of y'all who get a kick > outa doing it RIGHT & > TIGHT. RVrs as a whole are the best, but these guys are the > best of the best, > so when another clinic comes around your neck-o-the-woods, > get right in that > sucker and be prepared for the most intense flying available > 'cause two things > are guaranteed: you'll get to know your plane better than > your best lover, > and you will get your butt kicked and elevated to places you > never imagined. > > HUGE thanks to Falcon and Kahuna for making this dream come > true, and to the > Ohio Valley RVators, especially Rick Gray for making this > clinic a big > success! These guys have busted their tails to bring this to > us, so if yer up to it, > I heartily encourage all RVers to take advantage of this > awesome opportunity- > it just doesn't get any better! > > Nuff said- Possum > do not archive, not a paid endorser, and no animals were > harmed in it's > production..... 8-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:37 AM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Parkersburg Formation Clinic --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com It's on the way Bob, Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm do not archive If there's anybody who has any pictures or can write a couple of paragraphs. I'd love to put a little story in this week's RV Newsletter. Looks like I'll come up short otherwise since the only other chatter is something about nosewheels and tailwheels. (g) Send to me please at rvnewsletter@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:17 AM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: Platenut Life --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Oke Not to muddy the waters too much on this but the loading situation on the tank screws is surely a single shear situation with some clamping friction which "may" be enhanced by the dimpling of the underlying structure depending on the quality of the work. In other words, simple comparison of the tensile strength of the SS screw versus a steel screw are not the appropriate comparison in assessing this joint. Agree that greater tensile strength in the screws would allow more clamping friction to be generated when torquing the screws down and so, in theory, provide greater load ability. In a positive G pull up, the mass of the fuel in the tank will tend to rotate the tank LE downward putting the upper aft edge of the tank skin in tension. There is no clear rotation point but the lower skin should be in compression and there could be a skin failure due wrinkling before the screws become heavily stressed. The tank baffle (aft side of the tank) should at some point come into contact with the spar structure if the lower tank skin starts wrinkling which would make the strength in the lower screws irrelevant past this point. The outer end of the tank is supported by the tank skin lap to LE joint which will support some of the load as would the inboard tank support bracket that mates with the equivalent item on the fuselage. Not all RV models have this however. Just looking at the situation, my thoughts are that the screw spacing is driven as much by the need for a neat and tidy tank to wing join vice any loading consideration. The loading envelope involves a lot more positive G than negative G which would imply that the upper surface screws are more heavily stressed and there would/should be a need for more screws on the top of the tank than the bottom if the strength requirement was critical. AFAIK, most of the RV designs use the same spacing top and bottom which suggests that the tank to wing join may be simply a case of "intelligent overdesign". As Kevin notes, using something besides the tried and proven fasteners is getting into the nature of an experiment with serious consequences if it goes wrong. This is the sort of thing that calls for a ground static load test to destruction to see what fails first, etc. (just in case anyone has a spare set of wings they would want to sacrifice). Vans has done static load testing of some of the RV wing designs but the pictures I have seen do not look like they added any extra load to replicate the mass of the fuel in the tanks. That is, they were looking more at spar bending strength than tank to wing joint integrity. A final thought is that examination of RVs that have crashed with significant vertical velocity leading to a lot of positive G should indicate how and if the tanks separate from the wing structure. Has anyone seen such a crashed RV with anything to report? Jim Oke RV-3, RV-6A Wpg, MB Kevin Horton wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > >On 30 Apr 2006, at 02:54, Mickey Coggins wrote: > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins >> >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" >>> >>> >>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper >>>> >>>>I believe that the "structural" portion of fuel tank attachment >>>>comes >>>>from the "Z" brackets fastened to the wing spar, and >>>>the bracket between the root rib and the fuselage. >>>>The flush "skin" screws are simply to hold the skin >>>>down to the spar, & not for carrying structural loads. >>>> >>>> >>>Why do you "believe" that. On what basis do you state that >>>opinion. I would >>>suggest to you that the tanks skins carry considerable load and >>>that those >>>loads will want to transfer to the spar by the most direct >>>route...which >>>will be primarily through the #8 skin screws. >>> >>> >>Does the fact that the skin is dimpled help carry load, >>or do the screws themselves carry the load? >> >>Won't the aluminium skin fail long before the "wimpy" SS screws? >> >>I recall someone doing a write-up on rivet strength in shear, >>and one of the results was that a dimpled skin with a flush >>rivet was much stronger than any other type of rivet, with >>the conclusion that the dimpled skin was carrying load. >>Perhaps someone else knows where to find that report. >> >> > >Bill Marvel's report is at: > >http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/rvlinks/marvelrivets.html > >I know there are a number of RVs flying with SS screws instead of AN >hardware on the fuel tanks, and I haven't heard of any failures yet. >But that is an experiment that I personally don't want to do. I'm >reminded of an Australian P-3 that was subjected to a significant >overstress. The aerodynamic loads were high enough that the wing >leading edges came off the spar, destroying the ability of the wing >to function, leading to a fatal accident. > >SS screws in the tank attachments may work just fine, until the day >that there is an significant, inadvertent overstress. Then you could >discover that the aircraft no longer has the hoped for 1.5 factor of >safety, as the tanks come off well before the spar fails. > >Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) >Ottawa, Canada >http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:40 AM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler I have found the documentation on rigging the electrioc rudder trim thin. Are there any guidelines for a apoximate length for the trreadded rod? Is the servo in the retracted position? What is the normal angle of the trim tab at the servo retracted position? What is the stroke of the servo? Wiring diragram? Thanks Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:40 AM PST US From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Guys, I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane (Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane! Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 574 Hrs Second offender --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net > Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also wonder why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands" for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the humor impaired. Ron Lee Do not archive >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could >they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > >; ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:35 AM PST US From: "Mannan J. Thomason" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" First liar in this fray didn't have a chance, did he? (g) Mannan Thomason RV-8 Almost finished Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:13 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm (just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator. That is how I rigged mine (RV-7), and I haven't had any problems in nearly 900 hours. No binding at either end of full travel. My 2 cents is to start there, and you can always tweak it one way or another after you fly to bias the range up or down. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (882 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherman Butler" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: RV-List: Electric trim rigging > --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler > > > I have found the documentation on rigging the electrioc rudder trim thin. > Are there any guidelines for a apoximate length for the trreadded rod? Is > the servo in the retracted position? What is the normal angle of the trim > tab at the servo retracted position? What is the stroke of the servo? > Wiring diragram? > Thanks > > > Sherman Butler > RV-7a Wings > Idaho Falls > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:45 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" Just curious. Does anyone think anybody's going to *win* this argument? If not, would y'all please come over to the garage and use the energy to help build my plane? (g) Do Not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:54 AM > To: 'rv-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:59 AM PST US From: "Dan Beadle" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" Why land crosswind in an RV at 48K? I would just point into the wind and hover down, perhaps perpendicular to the RW..... With low stall, strong winds and reasonably wide runways TW works. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Guys, I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane (Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane! Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 574 Hrs Second offender --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net > Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also wonder why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands" for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the humor impaired. Ron Lee Do not archive >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could >they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > >; ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:40 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RV-List: XCOM 760 radio --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Does anyone have experience (good, bad or indifferent) with the XCOM 760? Steve Soule N227RV RV-6A XCOM 760 radio

Does anyone have experience (good, bad or indifferent) with the XCOM 760?

Steve Soule
N227RV
RV-6A

________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:19 AM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Joseph Larson Jerry, I don't think it's a matter of fear. I'd love a tail wheel endorsement, but I've never been presented with the chance to earn one. Well, I *could* have taken time off when I was working on my instrument rating (the FBO had a Citabria for a while), but I stuck to the instrument rating at the time... I don't think it's fear. But someone from Van's once said: This is a get there kind of airplane. At the end of a long day, at dusk, landing at an unfamiliar field in a crosswind, you don't really want a challenging landing besides. When I heard that, that's when I decided to go for the -6A instead of the -6. Because I get what I want out of it -- a get there kind of airplane that's fun to fly. -Joe On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Jerry Springer wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel > airplane. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:41 AM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler Thanks Dan. Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly? Dan Checkoway wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm (just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator. Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly? Believe it or not I used a 9V battery at the time. Didn't have my 12V handy and the little 9V worked just fine. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I was building all weekend so came late to this thread. LOL! Now this is much better entertainment than you get on TV or radio. Ok, that settles it. I'm heading down to Woodhaven, or whatever that woodworking store is called, and picking myself up a castering shop cart wheel, a big one. I'm going to build a mount for it, something that slants downward from the tail, then after landing and parking in the RV section of whatever air show, I'm mounting that wheel, along with a bag of shot in the rear to weight it down. Now with the plane safely angled in the right direction, I can brag about my ability to tap dance, spend an hour flying before heading home to make sure mamma is feeling satisfied, do some close hand holding with my buddies going to and from air shows, and generally feel good about my plane's manliness! I love it...... John Jessen 40328 (working on the RV-10 Tailcone and designing my fourth wheel) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:37 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker You MUST power it to move it. If you pull it you will likely break some gear teeth! Dick Tasker Sherman Butler wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler > >Thanks Dan. > Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly? > >Dan Checkoway wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >What I did is retract the servo arm fully...mark that location on the arm >(just trace a line on the arm up against the servo body). Then extend the >arm fully. Mark that location on the arm. Measure halfway and mark that >line on the arm. Retract the servo until the halfway line is on the body of >the servo. The arm is now exactly in the middle of its range. Now rig the >pushrod so that the trim tab is in trail with the elevator. > > >Sherman Butler >RV-7a Wings >Idaho Falls > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:32 AM PST US From: chaztuna@adelphia.net Subject: RV-List: Double belt pulley needed for ND alternator Cc: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com --> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net Listers, A friend of mine who is building a Cosy MK4, needs to install an extra fan belt to keep his water pump from slipping at high power (Mazda 13B engine). He needs to find a dual belt pulley for his Nippon Denso alternator. Does anyone know of a vehicle that used dual Vee belts with an ND alternator? How about a source for the pulley? Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:46 AM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV-List: Electric trim rigging --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve We used a battery from a Makita 9.6 volt cordless drill. We just touched the leads to the contacts on the battery. Reverse the leads to reverse the direction of travel I believe. Mark Richard Tasker wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker > > You MUST power it to move it. If you pull it you will likely break some > gear teeth! > > Dick Tasker > > Sherman Butler wrote: > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler >> >> Thanks Dan. >> Did you pull the servo manually or power it electricly? ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:22 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Brake Discs From: "Wentz, Don" --> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6? Dw RV-6 925hrs ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:31 AM PST US From: chaztuna@adelphia.net Subject: RV-List: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question --> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net Listers, Could someone tell me the length of Vans VA-168 Manifold for mounting your various sending units? Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:29 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake Discs --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee The ones I use on my RV6A Sissy plane are RA66-106 but get a confirming email from someone else. Ron Lee >Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6? >Dw >RV-6 925hrs > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RV-List: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Is this a possibility? DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:21 AM PST US From: chaztuna@adelphia.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake Discs Cc: "Wentz, Don" --> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net Don, The Cleveland number is 164-01700. If you'd like to upgrade your brakes a bit, you can order a pair of 164-0990 discs. These are thicker than the stock units and will require that you make a spacer plate to be installed between the halves of your brake calipers. The spacer is to compensate for the additional thickness of these rotors. ACS and Wicks sell an "upgrade" kit for RV brakes which uses these rotors. They get $300 for the kit, which contains two 164-09900 rotors, two caliper spacers and 4 slightly longer caliper bolts. You can save money on the upgrade by making the spacers yourself and just buying the bolts. FYI the "upgrade" discs are slightly LESS expensive than the stock rotors. Go figure! Charlie Kuss ---- "Wentz wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" > > Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6? > Dw > RV-6 925hrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:48 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I just installed this on Saturday - didn't measure it though...got pictures regardless.....if you haven't gotten an answer, I'll measure it over the weekend....... -----Original Message----- >From: chaztuna@adelphia.net >Sent: May 1, 2006 1:08 PM >To: RV List >Subject: RV-List: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question > >--> RV-List message posted by: chaztuna@adelphia.net > >Listers, > Could someone tell me the length of Vans VA-168 Manifold for mounting your various sending units? >Charlie Kuss > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:39 AM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: VA-168 Pressure Sender Manifold question --> RV-List message posted by: Larygagnon@aol.com It measures 5 inches long, 3/4 inch wide and 1 inch tall. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:05 AM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday? --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" > Is this a possibility? > > DO NOT ARCHIVE We're putting on a clinic June 30th in the Northwest, still have room available... http://www.romeolima.com/FormationClinic/ Randy Lervold ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:53 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Welcome John. I respectfully accept your inadequacies.... I understand Van did it for "sale" appeal. And I do admit I can't want until one of my friends gets done building their RV-10 so I can go flyin' with them. Just a heads-up; periodically, I like to run over and swat this RV-List/Hornets Nest and sit back whilst they get all lathered up. Hecka doodle, it's almost as much fun as taping a cat to my neighbor's front door and ringin' the bell. I usually don't even run, cuz' the cat gets un-stuck when they open the door, and I can't run straight when I'm laughin' & cryin' that hard. Take air, Chuck John Jessen wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" I was building all weekend so came late to this thread. LOL! Now this is much better entertainment than you get on TV or radio. Ok, that settles it. I'm heading down to Woodhaven, or whatever that woodworking store is called, and picking myself up a castering shop cart wheel, a big one. I'm going to build a mount for it, something that slants downward from the tail, then after landing and parking in the RV section of whatever air show, I'm mounting that wheel, along with a bag of shot in the rear to weight it down. Now with the plane safely angled in the right direction, I can brag about my ability to tap dance, spend an hour flying before heading home to make sure mamma is feeling satisfied, do some close hand holding with my buddies going to and from air shows, and generally feel good about my plane's manliness! I love it...... John Jessen 40328 (working on the RV-10 Tailcone and designing my fourth wheel) --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:43 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". If it was 48 Knots, I could put her straight down like them there silly hilly-chopters thingees (Ya'll know them things don't really fly.... they just beat the air into submission). Chuck Do Not Archive "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" Guys, I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane (Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane! Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV 574 Hrs Second offender --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net > Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds. That may be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also wonder why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands" for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the humor impaired. Ron Lee Do not archive >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could >they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > >; --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:06 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Brake Discs (Disregard previous post) --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee Disregard my part number. I gave you disk PADS, not the discs. Ron Lee Archive since the wrong info was in my previous post At 11:23 AM 5/31/2006, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > >The ones I use on my RV6A Sissy plane are RA66-106 >but get a confirming email from someone else. > >Ron Lee > > > >Anyone know a Cleveland or Rapco part number for the discs on an RV-6? > >Dw > >RV-6 925hrs > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:53 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". =20 Dear Chuck, if this was a math test then the answer is 48! =20 Smack dab in "between 47 & 49"! =20 do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:45 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: First Flight --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Hi Konrad, I believe in re-incarnation. That white ol' carcass, of what use to be a dead horse, is sure fun to drag out and watch other people beat. I'll just wait a few more months and try it again.... either that or I'll mention the primer routine. Hell I lose all control of my involuntary muscles watchin' 'em go after that bit. Remember; "Why take life too serious, you're never gonna get out of it alive anyway." Chuck "Konrad L. Werner" wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Chuckster Prankster, NO asbestos britches that I know off will cover the fiery hell of = ignorance (...and other say it is bliss). Anyway, what year was the last commercial jetliner built with the "manly = wheel" in the back? (...ever seen the movie where Boeing does their = crosswind testing in Brazil? They would ALL ground loop upon touching = terra firma...) Anyway, what year was it when the Armed Forces switched to Sissy Pilots = by putting training wheels on the front of their flying machines? Did = they make ANY progress by doing so??? Granted, some airplanes just look very odd as a nosedragger, and then = some others just belong to an era where the nose wheel does simply not = belong!!! =20 Nice try to start another useless conversation on this list, but this = horse's cadaver doesn't even stink anymore it is so dead!=20 But you made at least one person laugh today!!! THANK YOU FOR THE = BRIEF ENTERTAINMENT :-)) =20 do not archive >>SNIP<< And thank God you built a "Manly Plane" with the little wheel in = back.... I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose = draggers suckin' up our skies ! (asbestos britches on, fire at will :-) Chuck >>SNIP<< --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:34 PM PST US From: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) We taildragger fans will have to concede that the delivery of the first Atomic Bomb was trusted to the nose-wheeled B-29. Of course by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that they may have had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of all aircraft . . . Pete Cowper RV-8 #81139 working on fuselage with tail spring proudly mounted. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:54 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) From: "Rick Galati" --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" [quote...by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that they may have had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of all aircraft . . . Pete Cowper[/quote] While many among us continue to be eternally fixated on the proper position of that 3rd wheel (as if our opinion could ever change a single mind), it may be helpful to remember yet another insightful perspective, this one originating from our esteemed Navy brethern......"Flare to land, squat to pee!" [Shocked] Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32136#32136 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:32 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Listers... Just ask Jerry if his HUGE crosswind rudder is the same one that came with the kit... Sorry Jerry, I couldn't let ya get away with this even though you let me skid by on that last biennial... Plz do not archive Jerry Cochran Another NW Weenee Wilsonville, OR From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer >Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do? Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed? > Most nose weenies ;) now days are scared to death of a tailwheel airplane. BTW have any of you done the research to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags. Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so. I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with? The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun but doable. How about the rest of you????? Jerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:57 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com Listers... Just ask Jerry if his HUGE crosswind rudder is the same one that came with the kit... Sorry Jerry, I couldn't let ya get away with this even though you let me skid by on that last biennial... Plz do not archive Jerry Cochran Another NW Weenee Wilsonville, OR -------------------------- Ah Jerry C. it is just that you were scaring me so much that I had to sign you off just so I could get out of the airplane. :-) When I landed in that X-wind situation I had not yet put the RV-7 rudder on my RV-6, shot I could probably do 40 kts now. (NOT) :-) BTW I finally got the rudder and vertical stab.painted and it looks really nice with the checker board pattern. Jerry (all in good fun) Springer do not archive ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:04 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Pete, You must be single . . . ? :-) I met a few WASP's, and they flew aircraft many of us can only dream = about. Great gal's, and even greater pilots! Do not archive ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pete Cowper=20 To: rv-list@matronics.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) We taildragger fans will have to concede that the delivery of the = first Atomic Bomb was trusted to the nose-wheeled B-29. Of course by the end of the war there were so many women pilots that they may have had to begin moving the little wheels to the front of = all aircraft . . .=20 Pete Cowper RV-8 #81139 working on fuselage with tail spring proudly mounted. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 =20 --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: = 4/28/2006 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:57 PM PST US From: "Jim Anglin" Subject: RV-List: Silver State Fly In --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" I haven't seen anything for a while about the Carson Fly In - is it = still on for this weekend? Jim Anglin HR II N144HR DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:23 PM PST US From: Chuck Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck It's them dang VG's.... I'm guessin' but a rough estimate would be 47.53856432 ~ mph I just can't get it to stall unless the power's off. oh please Do Not Archive this dribble ! "Konrad L. Werner" wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" --> RV-List message posted by: Chuck Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". =20 Dear Chuck, if this was a math test then the answer is 48! =20 Smack dab in "between 47 & 49"! =20 do not archive --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:19 PM PST US From: jay pearlman Subject: RV-List: panel design --> RV-List message posted by: jay pearlman Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to try our ideas? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:57 PM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: panel design --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu On 05/01 8:01, jay pearlman wrote: > Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to try our ideas? What I did was to print on my color printer the instruments that I though I wanted in the panel. I printed them life-sized. I got the pictures here and there from the internet, they're easy to find. Then arranged them as I liked on the actual full-sized panel. It's much better than a program since it's faster and it's full sized. When you are happy with your arrangement, take a few photos and send it off to you panel cutter or do it yourself. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying! ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:36 PM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Ohio Valley RVators Formation Clinic --> RV-List message posted by: RGray67968@aol.com Here are a few pics from our 3rd Annual Ohio Valley RVators formation clinic 18 ship 'All Up' formation yesterday. The 'Diamond of Diamonds plus 2' shot is pretty sweet. Click on the link and look in the 'PKB 06 air to air' folder: _http://members9.clubphoto.com/rick398651/owner-e5f1-1.phtml_ (http://members9.clubphoto.com/rick398651/owner-e5f1-1.phtml) The Clinic Wrap Up, more pics, and videos can be found on Doug's site Tuesday morning at: _http://www.vansairforce.net/_ (http://www.vansairforce.net/) A big thank you goes out to Stu 'Falcon' McCurdy and Mike 'Kahuna' Stewart for their continued support of our OVRVators group! Enjoy....."You Snooze....You Looze"!! Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm do not archive ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:53 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: Panel Clearance Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing Ok..working on the new panel and have a bunch of stuff for sale: Altimeter: $100 VSI: $75 ACK Encoder: $50 Terra Transponder: $200 Sigtronics Stereo Intercom: $50 Vans 2 lever quadrant (but have extra parts to make 3 lever) $25 All Guages $20 each Amps/Volts CHT/EGT Vans Fuel Pressure Oil PSI/Temp 8 Day Clock Shipping $5 each unless you buy more than one item, and it's still $5 for the total order. I can take paypal or check in the mail is fine. Pictures are on Vans airforce.com do not archive Paul Besing RV-4 Arizona 73DD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:51 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Panel Clearance Sale --> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com In a message dated 5/1/2006 9:40:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pbesing@yahoo.com writes: All Guages $20 each Do you have any switch gaurds? ;o) The not-so-phantom spell checker. Do not archive. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:29 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: panel design --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" www.epanelbuilder.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay pearlman" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: RV-List: panel design --> RV-List message posted by: jay pearlman Does anyone know where to get low cost or no cost panel design software to try our ideas? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:16 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the RV-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the RV-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * RV-List.FAQ - Latest version of the RV-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * RV-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * RV-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * RV-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * RV-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the RV-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:54 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official RV-List Usage Guidelines --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]