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1. 05:11 AM - Dents in the HS skin (Marc and Kathy)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Firesleeving (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Alex Peterson)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Firesleeving (Dwight Frye)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: What is the best way to determine speed improvements? (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
6. 06:03 AM - Re: What is the best way to determine speed improvements? (John Huft)
7. 06:09 AM - Re: Firesleeving (Ralph E. Capen)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Firesleeving (Dwight Frye)
9. 07:31 AM - Re: Dents in the HS skin (Rick Galati)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: Firesleeving (dsvs@comcast.net)
11. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (Tim Bryan)
12. 10:11 AM - Re: Dents in the HS skin (John Jessen)
13. 10:54 AM - Painting on the cheap (Scooter)
14. 01:02 PM - Re: Dents in the HS skin (wfinnell@earthlink.net)
15. 01:14 PM - Re: Painting on the cheap (Rick Galati)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Painting on the cheap (Smitty)
17. 02:30 PM - Re: Dents in the HS skin (Smitty)
18. 03:16 PM - Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (Scott Farner)
19. 03:40 PM - Formation Clinic in Colorado Someday (sturdy@att.net)
20. 03:48 PM - Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) (kitfoxmike)
21. 04:11 PM - alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment ()
22. 04:22 PM - Re: Painting on the cheap (Dale Ensing)
23. 05:10 PM - formation clinic (RVer273sb@aol.com)
24. 05:45 PM - Re: Panel Clearance Sale (Charlie England)
25. 05:45 PM - Sissies Kit Fox Pilots (Chuck)
26. 05:52 PM - Re: alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (JOHN STARN)
27. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Dents in the HS skin (David Burton)
28. 06:07 PM - Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (Jerry Springer)
29. 07:00 PM - Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (Dan Checkoway)
30. 07:13 PM - Re: Firesleeving (Richard E. Tasker)
31. 07:18 PM - Re: Dents in the HS skin (Sherman Butler)
32. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Charlie Kuss)
33. 08:16 PM - Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (Dave Cudney)
34. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Bill VonDane)
35. 08:31 PM - test (Matt Dralle)
36. 08:55 PM - Re: Sissies Kit Fox Pilots (Vanremog@aol.com)
37. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Walter Tondu)
38. 09:37 PM - Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment (Dave Cudney)
39. 11:27 PM - Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment SOLVED (Scott Farner)
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| Subject: | Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marc and Kathy" <marchudson@comcast.net>
Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
on how to fix it?
The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in slightly and produce
a dent in the skins on the rivet line.
This is only happening on the top side of the skins not the bottom and only
to the nose ribs.
I have measured the worst looking one and it pulls the skin inward about 1/8
of an inch. I'm confident that
this is cosmetic only however it is still upsetting.
Will I be able to fill this in with Superfill before painting?
Has anyone else seen this?
I could e-mail pictures if needed.
Thanks for the help.
Marc Hudson
marcandkathy.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Thanks to Ross for the info....
Jerry's correct and the size they recommend for the flowmeter/transducer is -24
which ACS does not carry.
Anyone got a foot of -24 kicking around?
Either I was looking at the wrong page (likely) or ACS updated their website......
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Grimmonpre <jerry@mc.net>
>Sent: May 3, 2006 12:19 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>AFP recommends firesleeve on the flow meter/transducer.
>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>RV8A Electrical
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
><rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:47 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
>>
>> Ralph,
>> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
>> 303-6 uses
>> AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
>> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
>>
>> Ross Scroggs
>> RV-4 #3911
>> Locust Grove, GA.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
>> <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:38 AM
>> Subject: RV-List: Firesleeving
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>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
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>>> Folks,
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>>>>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler
>>>>feed/return/pressure lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK
>>>>with.
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>>> Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
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>>> I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS
>>> website has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the
>>> 303 hose that we're supposed to use.
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>>> I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses - including the
>>> firesleeving. I'll be building an assembly that includes a pair of hoses
>>> and a fuel flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of
>>> firesleeve to go over the flow meter.
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a 303-4,
>>> 303-6, and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks to Ross for the info....
>
> Jerry's correct and the size they recommend for the
> flowmeter/transducer is -24 which ACS does not carry.
>
> Anyone got a foot of -24 kicking around?
>
> Either I was looking at the wrong page (likely) or ACS
> updated their website......
>
> Ralph
I have wrapped a couple things with "sheets" of firesleeve, made by cutting
some -10 open, and treating the raw edges with red RTV. I wrap them using
safety wire. Maybe not as good as a complete sleeve, but keeps the general
heat down and would provide some protection in a fire.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 752 hours (almost done with the Lightspeed install)
Maple Grove, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Tue May 2 22:47:46 2006, Ross Scroggs wrote :
>Ralph,
> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
>303-6 uses
>AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
If you mount it in the location recommended by Don at Airflow Performance
it hangs down between the cylinders just prior to the purge valve. In that
location the recommendation is to wrap it in firesleeve just like you would
any other fuel line.
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | What is the best way to determine speed improvements? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: What is the best way to determine speed improvements?
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
I use a GPS to average the speed for each directional run which I had hoped
would smooth out piloting errors. Apparently it did not.
I am curious how well others do on this and whether I should just go up and
record the IAS under set conditions then redo it after making a change that
may improve airspeed (such as Pressure recovery wheelpants).
Ron Lee
Ron: Some things I learned when testing the RV-4:
The atmosphere must be stable. If it is not, vertical motion in the
atmosphere makes steady state conditions difficult to achieve. In the
midwest during the warm months, just after dawn when under a large high
pressure system can work well.
As Kevin says, accurate flying is essential. Plus or minus 10' of altitude
can be tolerated if the excursions have a long enough period. Data runs need
to be held for a long time, several minutes at least. It's surprising how
long it takes to get things really settled down. The lower the wind speed,
the more likely is success because with significant wind, the likelyhood of
vertical component increases. Temperatures can be clues to stability. If
there are changes during a run there well may be shear present that will
spoil data. A second person to record the data is important. I could never
fly accurately enough when trying to write. A voice recording system could
perhaps substitute for a copilot.
A copilot can help with other things. Watching for traffic. Monitoring
fuel state. Watching for any anomolies in aircraft operation. Once when
doing a series of runs over western lake Erie I ran a tank dry. It was not
a problem, but it screwed up the run. I was really intent on flying
accuracy to the exclusion of other things.
The above picture is not complete, however. Power needs to be considered
and that will vary with altitude, temperature etc. So the GPS, in my
opinion, can tell you some things, but without corrections for variations in
power it is still difficult to understand what is really happening. A good
textbook can help. "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators" has some good material
in it. Test flying is hard work but can be very rewarding. Keep at it.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: What is the best way to determine speed improvements? |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Ron and Kevin
I am assuming the program on Kevin's website is similar to the one I use
from the Nat'l Test Pilot School. Sounds the same.
I agree with Kevin, getting good data is not easy. I have run at least
100 4-legged GPS runs in the last 3 years testing 4 different props and
numerous speed mods on my RV8. If the standard deviation is more than 1,
I throw away the run. This is an indication that either I did not fly it
right, did not wait long enough for the speed to settle down after the
last turn, or the air 1) has vertical movement, or 2) the winds aloft
are varying in direction or speed.
Ron, as you know already, here in the mountains it is hard to find
smooth steady winds. Especially on the front range where you are, the
chance of having zero mountain wave in the spring is small. So, you
really have to watch the winds aloft forecasts and choose your test
days. Today, for example, I was going to test my latest cowl mod, but
the winds are too strong, and showing variance in direction in my area
(4-corners).
Also, I always use my autopilot with altitude hold to fly the patterns.
This gives me time to take data and watch for traffic. I used to test
without an autopilot, and it is very hard, and probably dangerous
because you run out of time to watch for traffic.
It is also important to fly your tests at the same density altitude,
rpm, fuel flow, weight, bug density on the wings, etc. to have data to
compare. Even then, there will be some variations, so I always fly 3
different days, and 3 or 4 patterns each day, and take an average to
assess each mod.
Have fun...it is a lot of fun.
John
Kevin Horton wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
>On 2-May-06, at 7:37 PM, Ron Lee wrote:
>
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>>
>>I have used 3-way GPS runs in the past.
>>
>>I have started using 4 way GPS runs.
>>
>>I tried using the Excel program on Kevin Horton's site and did not
>>do very well. Both runs (yesterday and today) had a Standard
>>Deviation
>>of around 3.
>>
>>Point 2 below is the data in knots and today's is Point 3 (in
>>MPH). The
>>final TAS
>>was identical in both cases which seems oddly coincidental.
>>
>>I use a GPS to average the speed for each directional run which I
>>had hoped
>>would smooth out piloting errors. Apparently it did not.
>>
>>I am curious how well others do on this and whether I should just
>>go up
>>and record the IAS under set conditions then redo it after making a
>>change
>>that may improve airspeed (such as Pressure recovery wheelpants).
>>
>>Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>Point 2 Vwind Wind dir Vtrue
>>Vg Track (kts) (deg) (kts)
>>148 352 14.7 336 161.8
>>160 252 12.1 308 166.8
>>176 166 19.2 307 161.7
>>175 84 20.8 326 166.6
>>ave 16.7 319.4 164.2
>>std dev 2.9
>>
>>
>>
>>All these values are MPH
>>
>>Point 3 Vwind Wind dir Vtrue
>>Vg Track (kts) (deg) (kts)
>>190 352 21.7 265 192.5
>>171 256 17.5 286 186.4
>>194 168 10.3 271 191.9
>>202 80 15.8 247 186.6
>>ave 16.3 267.5 189.3
>>std dev 3.3
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>
>Ron,
>
>There are several possible explanations for the poor quality data:
>
>1. The weather conditions may not have been good enough. You need
>really smooth air, and the wind direction and speed at the test
>altitude must be steady.
>
>2. You made a mistake when copying down one or more of the numbers.
>This is easy to do.
>
>3. You didn't fly as accurately as necessary. If you want good
>quality data, the flying must be very accurate. The altitude and IAS
>for each run must be exactly the same. You need to fly a constant
>heading long enough for the GPS to filter out any variations and
>provide a steady track and GS.
>
>The key to success - I find it extremely difficult to get good data
>unless I have someone with me to record the data. That lets me
>concentrate on flying the aircraft. If I have someone to record the
>data, I can normally get a std deviation of less than one knot, but
>I've been doing this sort of stuff for many years.
>
>Don't get discouraged. Practice makes perfect. Accurate performance
>testing takes a lot of work.
>
>As far as simply recording IAS. That can work, if you have developed
>a test procedure that gives a repeatable result. If you get the same
>IAS on several different flights, then you have an idea of what the
>performance is. Don't simply take IAS readings on one flight, and
>believe that they are guaranteed to be accurate.
>
>Good luck,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Dwight,
My application is different in that I am using a SamJames plenum. AFP provided
me with a 'laydown' purge valve which brings the fuel in from either in front
of the #1 cylinder (I think it's #1 - regardless it's the cylinder forward of
the purge valve) or routed around and through the back of the plenum/baffle.
I'm gonna try to use -24 firesleeve and -3C clamps as I have seen documented
elsewhere.
Just gotta find a chunk of -24 firesleeve or roll my own.....
Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>Sent: May 3, 2006 8:43 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>
>On Tue May 2 22:47:46 2006, Ross Scroggs wrote :
>>Ralph,
>> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
>>303-6 uses
>>AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
>> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
>
>If you mount it in the location recommended by Don at Airflow Performance
>it hangs down between the cylinders just prior to the purge valve. In that
>location the recommendation is to wrap it in firesleeve just like you would
>any other fuel line.
>
> -- Dwight
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
On Wed May 3 09:07:42 2006, Ralph E. Capen wrote :
>Dwight,
>
>My application is different in that I am using a SamJames plenum. AFP provided
me with a 'laydown' purge valve which brings the fuel in from either in front
of the #1 cylinder (I think it's #1 - regardless it's the cylinder forward of
the purge valve) or routed around and through the back of the plenum/baffle.
I'm gonna try to use -24 firesleeve and -3C clamps as I have seen documented
elsewhere.
>
>Just gotta find a chunk of -24 firesleeve or roll my own.....
Sounds like you have your answer, then. Best of luck with it! It sounds
like the suggestion to slice some larger firesleeve and wrap it (after
treating the cut edges) makes for a good work-around to not having the
exact right size. I'll be saving that thought for when I have to deal
with the same problem. :)
-- Dwight
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
marchudson(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
> on how to fix it? The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in slightly
and produce a dent in the skins on the rivet line....... I'm confident that
this is cosmetic only however it is still upsetting........Has anyone else
seen this?.......
Marc,
I addressed this fairly typical condition that can occur in one form or another. The heart of the problem is a gap that must be dealt with. I refer to you this recent thread with a fix I have frequently used with great success. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=6750
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32541#32541
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: dsvs@comcast.net
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Dwight,
>
-24 firesleeve is available from Sacramento Sky Ranch
> My application is different in that I am using a SamJames plenum. AFP provided
> me with a 'laydown' purge valve which brings the fuel in from either in front
of
> the #1 cylinder (I think it's #1 - regardless it's the cylinder forward of the
> purge valve) or routed around and through the back of the plenum/baffle. I'm
> gonna try to use -24 firesleeve and -3C clamps as I have seen documented
> elsewhere.
>
> Just gotta find a chunk of -24 firesleeve or roll my own.....
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
> >Sent: May 3, 2006 8:43 AM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
> >
> >On Tue May 2 22:47:46 2006, Ross Scroggs wrote :
> >>Ralph,
> >> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
> >>303-6 uses
> >>AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
> >> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
> >
> >If you mount it in the location recommended by Don at Airflow Performance
> >it hangs down between the cylinders just prior to the purge valve. In that
> >location the recommendation is to wrap it in firesleeve just like you would
> >any other fuel line.
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> > -- Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Good Golly? You would feel pretty silly sitting there above the runway n=
ot
moving when the wind suddenly quit. I have seen that look in the roadrun=
ner
cartoons. Seriously, are you not supposed to add some percent to your
landing speed above the wind speed?=0D
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I get the point though, you could land pretty slow and maybe the runway
width is plenty long. =0D
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Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)=0D
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--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>=0D
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Good Golly. My RV-4 stalls between 47 & 49 "MPH". If it was 48 Knots,=
I
could put her straight down like them there silly hilly-chopters thingees
(Ya'll know them things don't really fly.... they just beat the air into
submission).=0D
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Chuck=0D
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"Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCPower.com> wrote:=0D
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Guys,=0D
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I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full=0D
stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane=0D
(Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that with a tail wheel plane!=0D
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Fred Stucklen=0D
RV-6A N926RV=0D
574 Hrs Second offender=0D
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee < ronlee@pcisys.net=0D
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be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement. I also=0D
wonder=0D
why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go=0D
beyond an hour away. Then they have to fly closely as if "holding=0D
hands"=0D
for reassurance. Makes you wonder. Another :) for the=0D
humor=0D
impaired.=0D
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Ron Lee=0D
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>Ron, Ron, Ron. Think about it. They can't stay gone more than an=0D
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>because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what=0D
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| Subject: | Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yep. Got the same on my HS (RV-10). Mine are symmetrical, so looks
purposeful. My luck. Not sure how it'll be filled. Good question.
John Jessen (Tailcone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc and Kathy
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Dents in the HS skin
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marc and Kathy" <marchudson@comcast.net>
Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
on how to fix it?
The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in slightly and produce
a dent in the skins on the rivet line.
This is only happening on the top side of the skins not the bottom and only
to the nose ribs.
I have measured the worst looking one and it pulls the skin inward about 1/8
of an inch. I'm confident that
this is cosmetic only however it is still upsetting.
Will I be able to fill this in with Superfill before painting?
Has anyone else seen this?
I could e-mail pictures if needed.
Thanks for the help.
Marc Hudson
marcandkathy.com
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| Subject: | Painting on the cheap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I'd like to get some advice on painting an aircraft. I'm actually from a neighboring
forum (Yak-52) but those guys seem to have much more money than I do so
a $9000 paint job doesn't seem to bother them much. I don't need a show quality
paint job. Any advice would be appreciated. Brand, type paint and sprayer
model. I've also got fabric surfaces and have heard varied advice on how to
paint those. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32588#32588
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| Subject: | Re: Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: wfinnell@earthlink.net
John,
I am sorry; I dont have any advice for you. I am just starting on my HS and was
wondering if you could send me the photos so I can see what I have to look forward
to?
Bill Finnell RV-8 Emp
wfinnell@earthlink.net
-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc and Kathy <marchudson@comcast.net>
>Sent: May 3, 2006 6:07 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Dents in the HS skin
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Marc and Kathy" <marchudson@comcast.net>
>
>Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
>on how to fix it?
>
>
>
>The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in slightly and produce
>a dent in the skins on the rivet line.
>
>This is only happening on the top side of the skins not the bottom and only
>to the nose ribs.
>
>I have measured the worst looking one and it pulls the skin inward about 1/8
>of an inch. I'm confident that
>
>this is cosmetic only however it is still upsetting.
>
>
>
>Will I be able to fill this in with Superfill before painting?
>
>
>
>Has anyone else seen this?
>
>
>
>I could e-mail pictures if needed.
>
>
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
>Marc Hudson
>
>marcandkathy.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting on the cheap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Scooter wrote:
> I'd like to get some advice on painting an aircraft..... I don't need a show
quality paint job. Any advice would be appreciated. Brand, type paint and sprayer
model. I've also got fabric surfaces and have heard varied advice on how
to paint those. Thanks.
There are any number of sources of information at your disposal. For some paint
related queries, why not simply direct your questions towards a professionally
recognized source?
Many of my aircraft painting questions were (and are) professionally answered by
contacting Deborah Akey toll free at (800) 357-3738. Debbie is Branch Manager
at Aero Performance located in Hangar 10 at the St. Louis Downtown Parks Airport
in Cahokia, Il. She and her staff are expert in providing the potential
customer with correct information while discussing the recommended application
procedures for the line of Sherwin-Williams Jet-Glo and Acry-Glo products they
distribute.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 123 hours
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32608#32608
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| Subject: | Re: Painting on the cheap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I bought the Sam Jones video, Aircraft Painting 101. It covers everything
you need to know. Also, if you are suffering from insomnia, put this tape
on. You will go right to sleep.
http://www.buildersbooks.com/Painting101.htm?29,43
Smittys RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Scooter wrote:
>> I'd like to get some advice on painting an aircraft..... I don't need a
>> show quality paint job. Any advice would be appreciated. Brand, type
>> paint and sprayer model. I've also got fabric surfaces and have heard
>> varied advice on how to paint those. Thanks.
>
>
> There are any number of sources of information at your disposal. For some
> paint related queries, why not simply direct your questions towards a
> professionally recognized source?
> Many of my aircraft painting questions were (and are) professionally
> answered by contacting Deborah Akey toll free at (800) 357-3738. Debbie
> is Branch Manager at Aero Performance located in Hangar 10 at the St.
> Louis Downtown Parks Airport in Cahokia, Il. She and her staff are expert
> in providing the potential customer with correct information while
> discussing the recommended application procedures for the line of
> Sherwin-Williams Jet-Glo and Acry-Glo products they distribute.
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 123 hours
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32608#32608
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Smitty" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
Hi Marc,
It looks like your RV-10 HS is very similar to my RV-9A HS. I had the same
issue on the HS. It seems that when one side of the skin gets riveted to
the rib, the opposite side will look distorted when riveted. I riveted the
top skin to the rib first and then the bottom skin to the rib. The top
looks good and the bottom is distorted. It's what on top that counts, I
guess.
Here's my entry about that situation:
http://www.smittysrv.com/more_stuff.asp?ID=231
Smittys RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
> --> RV-List message posted by: wfinnell@earthlink.net
>
> John,
>
> I am sorry; I dont have any advice for you. I am just starting on my HS
> and was wondering if you could send me the photos so I can see what I have
> to look forward to?
>
> Bill Finnell RV-8 Emp
> wfinnell@earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Marc and Kathy <marchudson@comcast.net>
>>Sent: May 3, 2006 6:07 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Dents in the HS skin
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Marc and Kathy" <marchudson@comcast.net>
>>
>>Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are
>> suggestions
>>on how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>
>>The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in slightly and
>> produce
>>a dent in the skins on the rivet line.
>>
>>This is only happening on the top side of the skins not the bottom and
>> only
>>to the nose ribs.
>>
>>I have measured the worst looking one and it pulls the skin inward about
>> 1/8
>>of an inch. I'm confident that
>>
>>this is cosmetic only however it is still upsetting.
>>
>>
>>
>>Will I be able to fill this in with Superfill before painting?
>>
>>
>>
>>Has anyone else seen this?
>>
>>
>>
>>I could e-mail pictures if needed.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the help.
>>
>>
>>
>>Marc Hudson
>>
>>marcandkathy.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
Listers,
I was installing the alternator (60 amp from Van's) on my IO-390 using the
supplied bracket and noticed that the alternator pulley is offset about
5/16" forward of the flywheel. The bracket also overhangs the boss mount on
the engine by about this amount, and there is the same deal on the bracket
connecting the alternator to the starter.
Here is a picture of what I am talking about:
www.scottfarner.com/altflywheel.JPG
Anybody run in to this problem and come up with a fix?
Thanks,
Scott Farner
www.scottfarner.com
RV-7A Engine
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| Subject: | Formation Clinic in Colorado Someday |
--> RV-List message posted by: sturdy@att.net
Ron,
A few years ago I gave formation forums for several years at the Rocky Mountain
Regional Fly-ins (RMRFI) and offered to conduct formation clinics, but received
no strong inputs or requests to do it. There was no one who stepped forward
to set up the administrative and logistical support to make it happen. If
there is interest and someone to set it up, I am willing to conduct a formation
clinic in Colorado.
I and Falcon Flight formation flying team will again perform its maneuvering routine
at RMRFI this year. See me there after you have found if there is area
support for such a clinic.
Stu McCurdy
Falcon Flight
FFI
RV-8, RV-3
Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US
From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: RV-List: Formation Clinic in Colorado someday?
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Is this a possibility?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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<DIV>A few years ago I gave formation forums for several years at the Rocky Mountain
Regional Fly-ins (RMRFI) and offered to conduct formation clinics,
but received no strong inputs or requests to do it. There was no one who
stepped forward to set up the administrative and logistical support to make
it happen. If there is interest and someone to set it up, I am willing to
conduct a formation clinic in Colorado.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I and Falcon Flight formation flying team will again perform its
maneuvering routine at RMRFI this year. See me there after
you have found if there is area support for such a clinic.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Stu McCurdy</DIV>
<DIV>Falcon Flight</DIV>
<DIV>FFI</DIV>
<DIV>RV-8, RV-3 </DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
First off, hello, I'm new to the list, actually a cross over from the kitfox list.
I fly currently a kitfox IV speedster 912, TAILWHEEL airplane over 400 hours
in type. I'm building an RV7A, WHAT!!! Sorry, I want my kids and wife to
learn how to fly this airplane, I want to fly all over this wonderful country,
I want affordable insurance, I want to see where I'm going on the ground. Did
I mention, I'm no weenie. Did I mention the airforce fighter pilots are not
weenies. They started making planes with a nose gear for the women pilots in
the airforce. Ya right, that's why we have Capt malachowski flying no.3 in delta
formation, 18 inches from another airplane, ya right, like to see you do this.
I'm sure the wheel in the front doesn't matter, in fact it's tucked up inside
during this time. I'm sure the nose wheel was put on military aircraft for
a reason, oh, try for landing on a carrier. and many other reasons. I'm sure
millions of dollars on one aircraft sums it up.
sure I like my td kitfox, I let an rv8 pilot try to land my fox, I ended up taking
over, he couldn't do it. I have landed my kitfox with over 12knt direct cross
winds, but I cheated, went cross runway, did I wimp out, I don't think so,
I still have an airplane to fly.
Sure I'm going to get it for building an rv7a, but I don't care, it's my airplane,
and it will be a pretty one, oh, is that being a weenie also, me calling my
7a pretty. don't know, don't care. Ain't this fun!!! :D
kitfoxmike
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32635#32635
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| Subject: | alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
Cc: RV-List Digest Server <rv-list-digest@matronics.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: <erichweaver@cox.net>
Scott:
Hope I dont insult your intellignece here, but make sure the ring gear/prop flange
is oriented on the mounting bushings correctly and is firmly pressed into
place. One of the mounting bushings is slightly oversized, so it only fits correctly
when you have the bushings in the correct hole. Took me awhile to realize
that. Once I got it on correctly, I found the small index marks that indicate
how they line up....Duhhhhh! . And then, voila! - my alternator pulley
instantly came into the proper alignment.
If you have already taken all this into account, you need someone smarter than
me
regards
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Painting on the cheap |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
This site is about auto painting but much info you can use for painting your
airplane.
http://www.paintucation.com/
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | formation clinic |
--> RV-List message posted by: RVer273sb@aol.com
Fellow listers,
Are there any pilots interested in getting together
to try and set up a clinic in the Denver CO. area?
As you read Stu McCurdy will be here for the RMRFI flyin
and If any are interested we could talk to him them.
Stewart Bergner RV-4 colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Clearance Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Paul Besing wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
>Ok..working on the new panel and have a bunch of stuff
>for sale:
>Altimeter: $100
>VSI: $75
>ACK Encoder: $50
>Terra Transponder: $200
>Sigtronics Stereo Intercom: $50
>Vans 2 lever quadrant (but have extra parts to make 3
>lever) $25
>All Guages $20 each
>Amps/Volts
>CHT/EGT
>Vans Fuel Pressure
>Oil PSI/Temp
>8 Day Clock
>Shipping $5 each unless you buy more than one item,
>and it's still $5 for the total order. I can take
>paypal or check in the mail is fine. Pictures are on
>Vans airforce.com
>do not archive
>Paul Besing
>RV-4 Arizona
>73DD
>
>
Hi Paul,
Please email off list or call me @ 601-879-9596 about the xp & encoder.
Thanks,
Charlie
ceengland@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | Sissies Kit Fox Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Where the H E double hockey sticks did this "weenie" come from ?
Must've been one of those ex-Air Force, squat when they pee, "fighter pilots"....
either that or a Kit Fox pilot. :-)
Now a REAL Ultralight pilot only flies an MX or a generic version there of.
And wouldn't be caught dead in anything less; certainly not one of them "Shake
-n- Bake" new fangled RV's.
why I heard those dang things are soooo easy to build now; with dem "pre punched"
"quick-builds" ... ya' just throw in a bunch of clecos, shake the crate,
and out pops everything already to rivet it together. I hear tell they don't
even have to be riveted. You can fly 'em with the clecos. Why them ain't
nothin' like REAL Ultralights.
Doughnut Archive
Do Not Archive
kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike"
First off, hello, I'm new to the list, actually a cross over from the kitfox list.
I fly currently a kitfox IV speedster 912, TAILWHEEL airplane over 400 hours
in type. I'm building an RV7A, WHAT!!! Sorry, I want my kids and wife to learn
how to fly this airplane, I want to fly all over this wonderful country, I
want affordable insurance, I want to see where I'm going on the ground. Did I
mention, I'm no weenie. Did I mention the airforce fighter pilots are not weenies.
They started making planes with a nose gear for the women pilots in the
airforce. Ya right, that's why we have Capt malachowski flying no.3 in delta formation,
18 inches from another airplane, ya right, like to see you do this.
I'm sure the wheel in the front doesn't matter, in fact it's tucked up inside
during this time. I'm sure the nose wheel was put on military aircraft for a reason,
oh, try for landing on a carrier. and many other reasons. I'm sure millions
of dollars on one aircraft sums it up.
sure I like my td kitfox, I let an rv8 pilot try to land my fox, I ended up taking
over, he couldn't do it. I have landed my kitfox with over 12knt direct cross
winds, but I cheated, went cross runway, did I wimp out, I don't think so,
I still have an airplane to fly.
Sure I'm going to get it for building an rv7a, but I don't care, it's my airplane,
and it will be a pretty one, oh, is that being a weenie also, me calling my
7a pretty. don't know, don't care. Ain't this fun!!! :D
kitfoxmike
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32635#32635
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| Subject: | Re: alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Had the same problem with the same fix. ("What'da mean it don't fit right
?") When properly aligned the ring on our IO-540 J4A5 when on with a real
solid "clunk" with NO wobble/wiggle what so ever, there are five ways of
doing it wrong and only one way to do it right. OR you may have to go a
local alternator rebuild shop & change out the pulley (local yellow pages).
KABONG Do Not Archive
Subject: RV-List: alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment
> Hope I dont insult your intellignece here, but make sure the ring
> gear/prop flange is oriented on the mounting bushings correctly and is
> firmly pressed into place. One of the mounting bushings is slightly
> oversized, so it only fits correctly when you have the bushings in the
> correct hole. Took me awhile to realize that. Once I got it on
> correctly, I found the small index marks that indicate how they line
> up....Duhhhhh! . And then, voila! - my alternator pulley instantly came
> into the proper alignment.
>
> If you have already taken all this into account, you need someone smarter
> than me
>
> regards
>
> Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
> Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
> on how to fix it? The nose ribs of the horizontal stab pull the skins in
slightly and produce a dent in the skins on the rivet line....... I'm
confident that this is cosmetic only however it is still
upsetting........Has anyone else seen this?.......
There is a lot of info on the web about this. Randy Pflanzer has taken a
lot of time to give us some of his tips on building. He has built several
RV empennages (and several planes) and his website gives the techniques he
uses:
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/Hstab2.html
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Scott Farner wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
>
>Listers,
>
>I was installing the alternator (60 amp from Van's) on my IO-390 using the
>supplied bracket and noticed that the alternator pulley is offset about
>5/16" forward of the flywheel. The bracket also overhangs the boss mount on
>the engine by about this amount, and there is the same deal on the bracket
>connecting the alternator to the starter.
>
>Here is a picture of what I am talking about:
>
>www.scottfarner.com/altflywheel.JPG
>
>Anybody run in to this problem and come up with a fix?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott Farner
>www.scottfarner.com
>RV-7A Engine
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On the IO 390 is the alternator mounted on the opposite side of what it
is mounted on a O-360?
I know that on my airplane the alternator is on the right side of the
engine looking from cockpit.
Maybe the difference? Or is your mount made for a IO-390?
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> On the IO 390 is the alternator mounted on the opposite side of what it
> is mounted on a O-360?
> I know that on my airplane the alternator is on the right side of the
> engine looking from cockpit.
> Maybe the difference? Or is your mount made for a IO-390?
Looks like Scott's photo was from the bottom looking up. And to the
previous poster, if the flywheel weren't engaged fully with the prop flange
bushings, he would have the opposite problem.
Scott, I wish I had some advice for you.other than...it looks like that
alternator/bracket setup isn't gonna work (duh, sorry to state the obvious).
FWIW, the B&C alternator & bracket worked out of the box on my IO-360-A1B6
(which I believe is the same external form factor as your case). On that
setup the alternator goes on the "inside" of the bracket.
http://rvimg.com/images/2003/20030720_alternator_in_place.jpg
I assume you could fabricate a similar U bracket to work with your setup,
but you may not be able to use the cross brace to the starter.
Hopefully somebody out there who used Van's alternator on an angle valve
engine can come up with something simple. Otherwise you could always just
go with a tried and true B&C... ;-)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (888 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Go to page 737 on http://www.mcmaster.com/ (type "737" in the search
window) or look up "Silicone-Coated Fiberglass Sleeving", Half way down
the page is "standard" grade or "aerospace" grade firesleeving from 1/4"
to 4" diameter (3" in aerospace grade). Available in increments of 1
foot.up to 50 ft. continuous (just in case you have a really loooong
fuel line). ;-)
Dick Tasker
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>Dwight,
>
>My application is different in that I am using a SamJames plenum. AFP provided
me with a 'laydown' purge valve which brings the fuel in from either in front
of the #1 cylinder (I think it's #1 - regardless it's the cylinder forward of
the purge valve) or routed around and through the back of the plenum/baffle.
I'm gonna try to use -24 firesleeve and -3C clamps as I have seen documented
elsewhere.
>
>Just gotta find a chunk of -24 firesleeve or roll my own.....
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>>From: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>>Sent: May 3, 2006 8:43 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
>>
>>On Tue May 2 22:47:46 2006, Ross Scroggs wrote :
>>
>>
>>>Ralph,
>>> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
>>>303-6 uses
>>>AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
>>> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
>>>
>>>
>>If you mount it in the location recommended by Don at Airflow Performance
>>it hangs down between the cylinders just prior to the purge valve. In that
>>location the recommendation is to wrap it in firesleeve just like you would
>>any other fuel line.
>>
>> -- Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: Dents in the HS skin |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
Marc I have similar results. I suspect that my rib flanges were too square and
did not fit the skin taper properly. I re-did my VS ribs at a relaxed angle
to fit the skin tapper closely and the results were improved.
Marc and Kathy <marchudson@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Marc and Kathy"
Was wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there are suggestions
on how to fix it?
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Ralph,
I wouldn't waste money buying "special" fire sleeve for the
transducer. Take some fire sleeve, cut a a 8" long length & slit it
lengthwise. Wrap it around the transducer, seal it and clamp it with
the appropriate clamps.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>Thanks to Ross for the info....
>
>Jerry's correct and the size they recommend for the
>flowmeter/transducer is -24 which ACS does not carry.
>
>Anyone got a foot of -24 kicking around?
>
>Either I was looking at the wrong page (likely) or ACS updated their
>website......
>
>Ralph
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jerry Grimmonpre <jerry@mc.net>
> >Sent: May 3, 2006 12:19 AM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> >
> >AFP recommends firesleeve on the flow meter/transducer.
> >Jerry Grimmonpre'
> >RV8A Electrical
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
> ><rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:47 PM
> >Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
> >>
> >> Ralph,
> >> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses
> AE102-9, the
> >> 303-6 uses
> >> AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
> >> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
> >>
> >> Ross Scroggs
> >> RV-4 #3911
> >> Locust Grove, GA.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
> >> <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:38 AM
> >> Subject: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >>>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>>>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler
> >>>>feed/return/pressure lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK
> >>>>with.
> >>>
> >>> Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
> >>>
> >>> I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS
> >>> website has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the
> >>> 303 hose that we're supposed to use.
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses -
> including the
> >>> firesleeving. I'll be building an assembly that includes a
> pair of hoses
> >>> and a fuel flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of
> >>> firesleeve to go over the flow meter.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a 303-4,
> >>> 303-6, and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Ralph
> >>>
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> >> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
I ran into the same problem last week with my RV 7A with a superior
io 360.
I cut a spacer out of 1/4" aluminum stock to fill the gap --- it
worked just fine. Check
the length of the bolt to make sure you have enough threads for a
good grip --
you may need to get a longer bolt -- mine fit fine. I note that
others have made a
double bend (an "S") in the brace to accommodate the gap.
Dave@ RAL
On May 3, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Scott Farner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
>
> Listers,
>
> I was installing the alternator (60 amp from Van's) on my IO-390
> using the
> supplied bracket and noticed that the alternator pulley is offset
> about
> 5/16" forward of the flywheel. The bracket also overhangs the boss
> mount on
> the engine by about this amount, and there is the same deal on the
> bracket
> connecting the alternator to the starter.
>
> Here is a picture of what I am talking about:
>
> www.scottfarner.com/altflywheel.JPG
>
> Anybody run in to this problem and come up with a fix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Farner
> www.scottfarner.com
> RV-7A Engine
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Is anyone firesleeving the aluminum lines on the engine side of the
firewall?
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Kuss" <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Firesleeving
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Ralph,
I wouldn't waste money buying "special" fire sleeve for the
transducer. Take some fire sleeve, cut a a 8" long length & slit it
lengthwise. Wrap it around the transducer, seal it and clamp it with
the appropriate clamps.
Charlie Kuss
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
>Thanks to Ross for the info....
>
>Jerry's correct and the size they recommend for the
>flowmeter/transducer is -24 which ACS does not carry.
>
>Anyone got a foot of -24 kicking around?
>
>Either I was looking at the wrong page (likely) or ACS updated their
>website......
>
>Ralph
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jerry Grimmonpre <jerry@mc.net>
> >Sent: May 3, 2006 12:19 AM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> >
> >AFP recommends firesleeve on the flow meter/transducer.
> >Jerry Grimmonpre'
> >RV8A Electrical
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
> ><rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:47 PM
> >Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
> >>
> >> Ralph,
> >> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses
> AE102-9, the
> >> 303-6 uses
> >> AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
> >> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
> >>
> >> Ross Scroggs
> >> RV-4 #3911
> >> Locust Grove, GA.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
> >> <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:38 AM
> >> Subject: RV-List: Firesleeving
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
> >>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
> >>>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>>>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler
> >>>>feed/return/pressure lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK
> >>>>with.
> >>>
> >>> Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
> >>>
> >>> I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS
> >>> website has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the
> >>> 303 hose that we're supposed to use.
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses -
> including the
> >>> firesleeving. I'll be building an assembly that includes a
> pair of hoses
> >>> and a fuel flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of
> >>> firesleeve to go over the flow meter.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a
> >>> 303-4,
> >>> 303-6, and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Ralph
> >>>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
test
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sissies Kit Fox Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 5/3/2006 5:46:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
chuck515tigger@yahoo.com writes:
Sure I'm going to get it for building an rv7a, but I don't care, it's my
airplane, and it will be a pretty one, oh, is that being a weenie also, me
calling my 7a pretty. don't know, don't care. Ain't this fun!!! :D
=============================================
I wasn't always a nose gear weenie and flew my old Kitfox Model 1 TD (N89GV)
with Rotax 532 for 450 hours back in the early to mid '90s, before I sold it
to finish construction of my current 6A.
I also flew it unaccompanied to OSH '92 from California and back (58 hours
RT), flying and landing in all kinds of conditions. Many I met along the way
that were flying the bigger iron couldn't believe I was crossing the country
in that little thing. You'll love your RV even more, I guarantee it.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 780hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Firesleeving |
--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 05/03 9:08, Bill VonDane wrote:
> Is anyone firesleeving the aluminum lines on the engine side of the
> firewall?
Heck, I even firesleeve my electrical runs, and my throttle, prop
and mixture cables firewall forward. It may be overkill but then again
it may be underkill. :)
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Scott:
I just took another look at your picture. I thought you were
referring to the
gap and not the misalignment. It looks like your ring gear is
pushed all the way on and sets inside of the alt pulley. I just
looked at mine.
Your 60 amp alt looks a bit different than mine and protrudes further
forward from
the mounting boss. You might want to give Vans a call.
Sorry
dave
On May 3, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Dave Cudney wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I ran into the same problem last week with my RV 7A with a superior
> io 360.
> I cut a spacer out of 1/4" aluminum stock to fill the gap --- it
> worked just fine. Check
> the length of the bolt to make sure you have enough threads for a
> good grip --
> you may need to get a longer bolt -- mine fit fine. I note that
> others have made a
> double bend (an "S") in the brace to accommodate the gap.
>
> Dave@ RAL
>
> On May 3, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Scott Farner wrote:
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> I was installing the alternator (60 amp from Van's) on my IO-390
>> using the
>> supplied bracket and noticed that the alternator pulley is offset
>> about
>> 5/16" forward of the flywheel. The bracket also overhangs the boss
>> mount on
>> the engine by about this amount, and there is the same deal on the
>> bracket
>> connecting the alternator to the starter.
>>
>> Here is a picture of what I am talking about:
>>
>> www.scottfarner.com/altflywheel.JPG
>>
>> Anybody run in to this problem and come up with a fix?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Farner
>> www.scottfarner.com
>> RV-7A Engine
>>
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| Subject: | Alternator pulley and flywheel misalignment SOLVED |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
Hey guys,
Thanks for all of the responses. I came up with a low cost (well, zero cost
since I had all of the materials) solution that only took an hour or so to
finish.
Basically, what I did was flip Van's alternator bracket around and fabricat=
e
a new bolt mount from some angle stock.
I put together the procedures on my web site for reference.
www.scottfarner.com/showpage.asp?date=3D5/3/2006
Scott
On 5/3/06, Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Scott:
>
> I just took another look at your picture. I thought you were
> referring to the
> gap and not the misalignment. It looks like your ring gear is
> pushed all the way on and sets inside of the alt pulley. I just
> looked at mine.
> Your 60 amp alt looks a bit different than mine and protrudes further
> forward from
> the mounting boss. You might want to give Vans a call.
>
> Sorry
> dave
>
> On May 3, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Dave Cudney wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > I ran into the same problem last week with my RV 7A with a superior
> > io 360.
> > I cut a spacer out of 1/4" aluminum stock to fill the gap --- it
> > worked just fine. Check
> > the length of the bolt to make sure you have enough threads for a
> > good grip --
> > you may need to get a longer bolt -- mine fit fine. I note that
> > others have made a
> > double bend (an "S") in the brace to accommodate the gap.
> >
> > Dave@ RAL
> >
> > On May 3, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Scott Farner wrote:
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Scott Farner" <sfarner@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> I was installing the alternator (60 amp from Van's) on my IO-390
> >> using the
> >> supplied bracket and noticed that the alternator pulley is offset
> >> about
> >> 5/16" forward of the flywheel. The bracket also overhangs the boss
> >> mount on
> >> the engine by about this amount, and there is the same deal on the
> >> bracket
> >> connecting the alternator to the starter.
> >>
> >> Here is a picture of what I am talking about:
> >>
> >> www.scottfarner.com/altflywheel.JPG
> >>
> >> Anybody run in to this problem and come up with a fix?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Scott Farner
> >> www.scottfarner.com
> >> RV-7A Engine
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