---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/05/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:25 AM - Tri gear VS tail dragger () 2. 03:07 AM - Flying without a Joy Stick (NEIL HENDERSON) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: Oil dip stick housing length (Dana Overall) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: Flying without a Joy Stick (gert) 5. 06:16 AM - Rebel's Bluff fly-in (Frazier, Vincent A) 6. 06:16 AM - Re: Oil dip stick housing length (Clarke Deacon) 7. 06:48 AM - Re: Flying without a Joy Stick (Ron Lee) 8. 08:23 AM - Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams (Bruce Uvanni) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams (Stephen J. Soule) 10. 09:06 AM - Re: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams (Jamie Painter) 11. 09:07 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 (Jim Anglin) 12. 09:27 AM - Re: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams (Dan Checkoway) 13. 09:34 AM - Forums Down at Anywheremap ? (John Fasching) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams (SteinAir, Inc.) 15. 12:03 PM - Re: Tri gear VS tail dragger (John Porter) 16. 12:54 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 (linn Walters) 17. 01:09 PM - Prop removal (Wheeler North) 18. 02:31 PM - Re: Tri gear VS tail dragger (kitfoxmike) 19. 07:16 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 (Bob Barrow) 20. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Bob Barrow) 21. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Firesleeving (Walter Tondu) 22. 09:32 PM - Re: Platenut Life (bertrv6@highstream.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:19 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Tri gear VS tail dragger --> RV-List message posted by: Hey Charlie: I'll bite, what is this all about. I gather you are going to buy a Trike. I feel you are justifying you decision. If you are more comfortable in a trike, than that is cool. However is it necessary to bash a conventional gear plane to justify your decision. The items you mention as reasons are not relevant or clear, to me at least. What does your friend have to do with it? What does a Chief and trim have to do with it? Not all planes fly like a Chief, which I have no time in, but have time in about 8 taildraggers including a Cub and over 1000 hours in RV's, plus 11,000 hrs in "Trikes" Your Chief experience just sounded weird to me? You mention yoke full back. Comment? It takes what it takes. Don't you land with the stick back in a RV-A? Not full but back. You want to land nose up. The landing attitude at touch down between a RV and RV-A are very similar (identical?), nose up at least slightly. Some RV's are nose heavy and need full nose-up trim landing. I'm not sure what you mean about across the runway landing? I am guessing you are talking about landing width wise on a runway? Well I fly for the airlines and 150 ft width is common. I am not sure I would try 150 ft in my RV, even in a stiff wind. However most GA runways are only 20-100 feet wide. Even more sporty. Either find a different runway or go to another airport if the X-wind is that bad. It sounds like you where out of flying for a while and you learned in 1966 in a Trike. There is nothing wrong with a Trike and if you want one than build it or buy it. Just not sure what this is about. You said you landed a TweetyBird in 22-30 kt direct cross winds. That is pretty good. What is a tweetybird? I have had my RV in about 20 kts X wind component in gusty conditions. However you'll start dragging stuff at 25-30kts, unless you crab and use a combo part side slip and kick it straight from a slight crab. It does not matter Taildragger or Trike, a RV is a RV and has the same X-wind component. If anyone has some reason (Aerodynamics or Physics) that a Trike or Taildragger should be more or less capable X-wind wise I would love to hear it. In my experience landing in strong X-winds in a RV-4 there was no control problem. In fact with tail wheel steering I think it is easier to taxi a RV in wind than a RV-A because of the swivel nose wheel and need to drag bakes. However Charles go buy that Trike and enjoy. Don't worry about it, but leave my beloved Tail Draggers alone they are fine for me. :-) Cheers George ATP/CFI >From: "charles heathco" > >Well, I took 2 lessons in a Chief, my head was jambed against the >ceiling and the plane had a 120 hp engine and with trim pulled full >aft, I was pulling the yoke into my chest on every landing. I said the hell >with it, Im buying a tri gear. I have friends who destroyed a tail >dragger trying to learn. I have gotten Tweetybird down in swinging 90 >deg x-wind gusting from 22 to 30k. At the time I had about 10 hrs in >her, Wind had come up out of nowere. I would have nerver tried the >stupid across the runway landing that was resently bragged about. Its >got to be a load of crapp! I will admitt, I was scarred shitless, but >did suck up a lot of seat. I pranged her on I admit, lucky the prop >didnt dig in. I got my Pvt in 66 in Cherokee 140 in OKC Will Rogers, so >knew about wind at the time. I stayed out for 35 yrs, so was sorta >green, but the old training kicked in. Im sure many of you can relate. > >Charlie Heatho. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:48 AM PST US From: "NEIL HENDERSON" Subject: RV-List: Flying without a Joy Stick --> RV-List message posted by: "NEIL HENDERSON" RVatiors My RV9-A was being landed from the RH seat. You can imagine the horror = when the joy stick came out of it's socket at the most critical moment, = just as we were rounding out. I'll leave the result to your imagination = surfice it to say we were very lucky to walk away without a scratch. = I'd only recently compleated repairing a wing following a bird strike = and after only 6 hours in the air it's now grounded again for at least 6 = months. I've come to the conclusion that maybe aviatation and I don't = mix . I think I'll pack it in and take up stamp collecting. Clearly it would make sense for anyone flying a 7 or 9 to ensure that = their stick is securely fixed particularly if it's being used during a = critical flight phase.=20 Neil Henderson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:46 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil dip stick housing length --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >From: "Clarke Deacon" > >DANA: I JUST INSTALLED MINE ON MY ECI 0360 AND IT IS 13 INCHES. >GOOD LUCK, REMEMBER ME (RV4 CRASH) RICHMOND. Clarke and others, big thanks. Nice to have a salvage yard closeby. So Clarke, the wife must be letting you finish the 7:-). How's the 4 doing? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:30 AM PST US From: gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying without a Joy Stick --> RV-List message posted by: gert Holy Smokes, Neil Sorry to hear about your misfortune, but I am darn happy you are here to tell us about it!!! Gert NEIL HENDERSON wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "NEIL HENDERSON" > > RVatiors > > My RV9-A was being landed from the RH seat. You can imagine the horror = > when the joy stick came out of it's socket at the most critical moment, = > just as we were rounding out. I'll leave the result to your imagination = > surfice it to say we were very lucky to walk away without a scratch. = > I'd only recently compleated repairing a wing following a bird strike = > and after only 6 hours in the air it's now grounded again for at least 6 = > months. I've come to the conclusion that maybe aviatation and I don't = > mix . I think I'll pack it in and take up stamp collecting. > > Clearly it would make sense for anyone flying a 7 or 9 to ensure that = > their stick is securely fixed particularly if it's being used during a = > critical flight phase.=20 > > > Neil Henderson > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:17 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Rebel's Bluff fly-in From: "Frazier, Vincent A" --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Guys, Don't forget the Rebel's Bluff RV and Rocket fly-in tomorrow (Saturday, May 6) near Mount Vernon, MO just west of Springfield, MO Contact Les Featherston at Morocketman@aol.com or 417-466-3340 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:17 AM PST US From: "Clarke Deacon" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil dip stick housing length --> RV-List message posted by: "Clarke Deacon" THE 4 IS JUST SITTING THERE ALL STRIPPED OUT. I'M FINISHING THE 7 AND WILL MAKE THE REPAIR ON THE 4 A WINTER PROJECT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil dip stick housing length --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >From: "Clarke Deacon" > >DANA: I JUST INSTALLED MINE ON MY ECI 0360 AND IT IS 13 INCHES. >GOOD LUCK, REMEMBER ME (RV4 CRASH) RICHMOND. Clarke and others, big thanks. Nice to have a salvage yard closeby. So Clarke, the wife must be letting you finish the 7:-). How's the 4 doing? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:29 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying without a Joy Stick --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >My RV9-A was being landed from the RH seat. You can imagine the horror = >when the joy stick came out of it's socket at the most critical moment, = >just as we were rounding out. Please clarify. In my 6A there is a clevis pin secured by a lock pin. If those are not in properly what you described could happen. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:08 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams From: Bruce Uvanni --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Uvanni I'm look for the wiring diagrams for the Garmin GNS430 (GPS NAV/COM) and GI 106A (course indicator) Neither one is on the Garmin web site. Anyone out there know where to get a copy of these??? BRUCE A. UVANNI BUVANNI@US.IBM.COM RV6A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:09 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Bruce, The Aeroelectric Connection web site has a number of wiring and pin out diagrams. Good luck, Steve Soule -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Uvanni Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Uvanni I'm look for the wiring diagrams for the Garmin GNS430 (GPS NAV/COM) and GI 106A (course indicator) Neither one is on the Garmin web site. Anyone out there know where to get a copy of these??? BRUCE A. UVANNI BUVANNI@US.IBM.COM RV6A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:20 AM PST US From: Jamie Painter Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams --> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter Here is your 430 manual: http://www.garmin.com/manuals/143_InstallationManual.pdf Sorry, couldn't find the CDI. do not archive Jamie http://rv.jpainter.org Bruce Uvanni wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Uvanni > >I'm look for the wiring diagrams for the Garmin GNS430 (GPS NAV/COM) and >GI 106A (course indicator) >Neither one is on the Garmin web site. Anyone out there know where to get >a copy of these??? > > >BRUCE A. UVANNI BUVANNI@US.IBM.COM >RV6A > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:13 AM PST US From: "Jim Anglin" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" The most important issue in vapor lock is to have the boost pump on = during taxi and takeoff. Second is insulation (supplied by = firesleeving). My aluminum lines stop at the firewall fitting. It = doesn't seem like a good idea to have a solid fuel line in the engine = environment hanging from one little flair end. As for the boost pump = issue: I have personal experience here to prove this out since I have = run auto gas in RV's since my 6 in 91 and had one vapor lock - the fuel = boost pump was off. I turned it on and took off again immediately with = no problem. There is also a lot of documentation to bear this out. Jim Anglin HR II N144HR DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:05 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" http://www.rvproject.com/garmin/ probably has what you're looking for. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Soule" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" > > Bruce, > > The Aeroelectric Connection web site has a number of wiring and pin out > diagrams. > > Good luck, > > Steve Soule > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Uvanni > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 11:18 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Uvanni > > I'm look for the wiring diagrams for the Garmin GNS430 (GPS NAV/COM) and > GI 106A (course indicator) > Neither one is on the Garmin web site. Anyone out there know where to get > a copy of these??? > > > BRUCE A. UVANNI BUVANNI@US.IBM.COM > RV6A > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:20 AM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Forums Down at Anywheremap ? --> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" DO NOT ARCHIVE Are any of my fellow Rv'ers that use Anywhere Map and look at their = forums having trouble getting into the forum? I keep getting a message = that "...the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way = that will never complete..." John ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:25 AM PST US From: "SteinAir, Inc." Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams --> RV-List message posted by: "SteinAir, Inc." You can also download the manuals from Mid Continent (who doesn't treat them as double secret) directly from their website....at least for the indicators. It's the same as the MD-200-306. Also, just be somewhat carefull of people who have them stored on their websites, etc.. Some of them are current, but some of them are not. Many of them floating around electronically are 3+ years old. Like I said, some of them are still current, but some are not. Things like the GTX-330 have changed a bit in the past year. Cheers, Stein. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Uvanni >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:18 AM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Garmin GNS430 / GI106A wiring diagrams > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Bruce Uvanni > >I'm look for the wiring diagrams for the Garmin GNS430 (GPS NAV/COM) and >GI 106A (course indicator) >Neither one is on the Garmin web site. Anyone out there know where to get >a copy of these??? > > >BRUCE A. UVANNI BUVANNI@US.IBM.COM >RV6A > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:39 PM PST US From: "John Porter" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tri gear VS tail dragger --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter" Hey George, Let me answer for Charlie (whom I've never met) so I can clarify some of the points that you are confused by ("not relevant or clear, to me at least"). "What does your friend have to do with it?" I would guess that his friends had problems with and "destroyed a taildragger" because they are different to takeoff and land than a nosewheel aircraft. That is Charlie's experience. It is very close and personal to him. To tell him that his experience is wrong really achieves nothing. To Charlie, he has seen it, and if he feels more comfortable in a trike, then to coin your phrase, "that is cool." "What does a Chief and trim have to do with it?" I would say that Charlie was running out of control authority (for whatever reason). Could be the Chief had a heavier engine, could be Charlie weighs 135lbs, could be an IAS error, could be the aircraft was misrigged. The comment of, "It takes what it takes". (Very constructive) Guess what, most of the time, true. But when you run out of control authority you are called a passenger. You have to select another option (and landing is probably not one of them). Going around on every approach really cuts into the fun factor of flying. I will guess on the "across the runway" deal as well. Sometimes, on a wide runway, you can cheat about 10 degrees of Xwind component away by landing on the downwind side of the runway and tracking upwind. I know, not the best plan all the time. But I will apply the "it takes what it takes" rule, and as you mentioned, another runway may be the better option. As far as the Xwind issue. We are all not God-gifted aviators like you (million- hour, 8- taildragger, man-about-town). Actually, as you know, a taildragger requires more care and feeding in a strong crosswind with relation of the CG and gear leg location. Since the CG is aft of the gear in a conventional aircraft, once you run out of control authority (and brake, if you're really skilled), the tail wants to come around and meet the nose. It's called a ground loop. Don't find a lot of those in nosedraggers as when you run out of control authority the airplane is then called a ........................car. Charlie wants to buy a nosedragger. Good for him! He is comfortable with that. For him, it makes his flying fun. He isn't judging anybody, just giving reasons he likes a nosegear. Experience can be used like a beacon or a sword (I remember the Sedona visual illusion, uncontrolled airport, threads.) Decide how to use yours. I have. Cheers, John ATP/BFD (just want to finish my RVand don't feel like offlisting this one) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:08 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters Jim Anglin wrote: Jim, depending on the mounting position of the electric boost pump, and the temperature there, that pump may convert liquid fuel to a vapor on the first 'suction' cycle. If you have the pump mounted low where it gets positive pressure from the tank, there probably won't be an issue. I'm not sure I would turn the pump on and immediately depart. If the problem still exists, you could be using the fuel in the bowl (speaking of carbureted engines) to get you clear of the ground until ...... I don't have much experience with fuel injection, but would bet that injector pressure wouldn't be there with any vapor problem. But I rather think having the injection boost pump on during taxi may cause really rich operation. C'mon here, educate me!!! Linn >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" > >The most important issue in vapor lock is to have the boost pump on = >during taxi and takeoff. Second is insulation (supplied by = >firesleeving). My aluminum lines stop at the firewall fitting. It = >doesn't seem like a good idea to have a solid fuel line in the engine = >environment hanging from one little flair end. As for the boost pump = >issue: I have personal experience here to prove this out since I have = >run auto gas in RV's since my 6 in 91 and had one vapor lock - the fuel = >boost pump was off. I turned it on and took off again immediately with = >no problem. There is also a lot of documentation to bear this out. > >Jim Anglin >HR II N144HR >DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:19 PM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Prop removal --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Hey Guys, I'm back, Been gone for some time now, partly because my emails weren't getting posted onto the list. Miraculous Matt seems to have that part fixed now. Michael, re your prop removal question. Pain the prop bright red, remove the bolts, fire up the engine and go to full power until the prop is gone. (Be quick on the throttle when it leaves as you don't want to over rev the engine) Then go for a walk around the airport looking for a long red thing sticking out of something/anything. ;{) Actually, I am assuming you have a fixed pitch prop, have someone hang on to it while you tap on it at the blade roots with a rag over a block of wood and a mallet. Once it moves slightly, some rocking of it blade to blade will walk it off. Light to medium blows are OK as long as you are right at the root, but anything that will mar the paint is too much, as it will also mar the metal and leave a stress riser in a very bad place. If someone holds rocking tension on it while you blow it will start the process. The goal of the blows is not to take it off, but rather the free the static set from a long period of attachment. Once it has enough gap to rock slightly inserting some piled up rag into the gap will help to walk it off quicker. But it is a two person job lest you drop the prop... If it's a constant speed do not hit any part of the propeller with anything for any reason. W do not archive. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:20 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Tri gear VS tail dragger From: "kitfoxmike" --> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" First off, what's a chief??? :? If it's small like my kitfox than I guess maybe you need a bigger aircraft, like lets say a maule. I've flown a maule and it's much easier to handle and it's big inside over my kitfox. I've pondered over tail wheel or tri, I have the solution for me. Keep the fox and have an rv7a. When I want to get wild and crazy, I'll take up the kitfox. If I want to get wild and crazy, I'll take up the rv7a. I don't think it matters any. I'm sure each one will have its own tickle spot. Of course what will probably happen is I'll put floats on the fox and enjoy that world as well. I don't think any certain airplane much matters as long as YOU are enjoying what you have. One thing for certain, DON'T own an aircraft that somebody else wants, own what YOU want. [Wink] kitfoxmike -------- kitfoxmike kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33067#33067 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:05 PM PST US From: "Bob Barrow" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 05/03/06 --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" > My aluminum lines stop at the firewall fitting. I presume that you're only talking about fuel lines here...not oil lines. _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:47 PM PST US From: "Bob Barrow" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Firesleeving --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" Hi there Walter, you're setting a good example. I note that many RV builders do not firesleeve the oil lines between the engine and the oil cooler...that's just slack (or uneducated) ...and dangerous. You said you firesleeved everything....but I'll bet you didn't....I'll bet you didn't firesleeve the aluminium oil lines that run from the cylinder heads back to the sump. I've never seen those done. > >--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu > >On 05/03 9:08, Bill VonDane wrote: > > > Is anyone firesleeving the aluminum lines on the engine side of the > > firewall? > >Heck, I even firesleeve my electrical runs, and my throttle, prop >and mixture cables firewall forward. It may be overkill but then again >it may be underkill. :) _________________________________________________________________ Play Music Trivia for your chance to win 2 VIP tickets to the 2006 Splendour in the Grass festival at Byron Bay. 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I'll check tomorrow to what they are exactly. I'm thinking that they probably really don't need the added protection, but I may be wrong... Good catch. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com Flying! ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:01 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Platenut Life --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Quoting Fiveonepw@aol.com: > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Hi Michael- > > I know this will start a storm of incandescent blowtorches from listers, but > in MY experience, FWIW, I tapped every freakin' platenut on my plane and have > never, I repeat NEVER experienced a single one of them loosening as a result- > YMMV, but I must have installed 500 of the freakin' things (all floorboards, > tanks, interior panels, wingroot fairings, baggage bulkhead etc.) and would > do > it again in a heartbeat. > > And by the way- my name is PHILLIPS and if there is ANY way I can avoid a > PHILLIPS screw, it shall be done- I've used the torx fasteners from > microfasterners.com with spectacular results, and you'll be glad you did the > same- no > gratuities from them, but I am in the torx camp and intend to stay there... > > (Pheeew! Do I get worked up sometimes or WHAT?!) > > I mean it- > Mark Phillips - RV-6A N51PW, 300 hours and not a screw loose yet except maybe > in the right seat! 8-) http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ > > p.s. - I'd happily build an RV for you and every one of them suckers would > have a nice sharp tap drilled mercilessly thru it! > > > What is freaking? my dictionary must be from last generation? Nut-plates, a necessity in our rv's// bert > >