Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:26 AM - ground power jack (Glen Matejcek)
2. 04:39 AM - Electroair failure record? (Dale Walter)
3. 04:53 AM - Firewall Oil cooler location (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 05:05 AM - Crankcase breather vent fitting (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Electroair failure record? (Kyle Boatright)
6. 05:15 AM - Re: Electroair failure record? (James Clark)
7. 05:52 AM - Re: Electroair failure record? (Larry Bowen)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 (Dave Cudney)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: Drilling out screws (was: Fuel Tank Service Bulletin - Mad Rant !) (Jim Anglin)
10. 09:35 AM - NWFC 2006 (Randy Lervold)
11. 09:45 AM - SS prop governor line (Ralph E. Capen)
12. 11:11 AM - Stuck screws (John Fasching)
13. 11:11 AM - Proseal for Sale (John Fasching)
14. 11:44 AM - Re: Proseal for Sale (Ralph E. Capen)
15. 11:54 AM - Re: Proseal for Sale (James H Nelson)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: Stuck screws (Ron Lee)
17. 12:47 PM - Proseal (John Fasching)
18. 01:32 PM - Re: Proseal for Sale (James H Nelson)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: Proseal for Sale (John Jessen)
20. 02:49 PM - Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
21. 04:56 PM - Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 (mkejrj@comcast.net)
22. 08:29 PM - Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 (Dave Cudney)
23. 08:33 PM - Fuel Return Tee (Paul Besing)
24. 08:46 PM - Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 (Dave Cudney)
25. 09:06 PM - For Sale: Rivet Sets & Supplies, Countersink Cutters, On Top IFR Sim Software (William Scaringe)
26. 09:06 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Bruce Gray)
27. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Albert Gardner)
28. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Michael McGee)
29. 09:32 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Paul Besing)
30. 09:46 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Albert Gardner)
31. 10:38 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Paul Besing)
32. 11:17 PM - Re: Fuel Return Tee (Richard E. Tasker)
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| Subject: | ground power jack |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Erich-
Re: Anybody gone to the trouble of installing a ground power jack on their
RV?
I assume from your note that you have a fwd bat installation. Mine are aft
on my -8 so this may well not help you, but I put a ground power receptacle
on the belly just aft of the bulkhead aft of the rear bat installation.
The mounting bracket I made is attached to the skin as well as the
bulkhead. When it will be used I will need to get on my knees to plug it
in, but I won't have any college kid ramper in close prox to the prop to
pull it out. With the available space between the wing and the prop, and
the presence of the main gear (TD), I couldn't conscience putting the
receptacle fwd.
FWIW-
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Electroair failure record? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
Good morning,
I installed the Electoair system recently and it has run smoothly, 12 =
hours to date. Was just told by an A&P that it has the potential to =
misfire at cruise speed and destroy the engine. Has anyone heard of this =
happening, or of a weakness in the design that might cause such an =
event? I have heard of misfire problems during startup due to voltage =
dropping below 8 volts at the controller, but I don't have that problem.
I searched the list archives and Google and found no mention of cruise =
speed failure or potential failure.
Thanks and have a great week,
Dale
RV6A 605 hours
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| Subject: | Firewall Oil cooler location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow builders,
I would like to use Vans stock location for my firewall mounted oil cooler - in
order that I can use their prefabbed lines. I'm gonna need to build a couple
regardless but they will be -6 instead of the oil cooler -8 lines.
I have Vans firewall foreward documentation but don't recall seeing a location
called out. I'm using an Aerosport built O360 so the stock engine locations are
available.
Anyone out there used Vans oil cooler hoses with their called out location? Please
give me a leader on their documentation.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
RV6A QB N822AR @ N06 working on firewall foreward
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| Subject: | Crankcase breather vent fitting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow builders,
I bought the FF705 and CV9816 breather parts from Vans for venting my Aerosport
built O360.
Come to find out that the vent fitting on my engine is 5/8" instead of the 3/4"
one that the CV9816 is called for.
The good news is that the vent fitting on my engine is a 45 degree fitting already
pointed aft - so I don't want to change it out.
Anyone out there using the 45 degree 5/8" fitting? How did you build up the hoses?
Does it work OK?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 - working on firewall foreward
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair failure record? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
I've got 375 hours on my Electroair/0-320 with none of what your A& P
suggests. In 10 years of following this list and other similar forums, I
don't remember a single reported instance of a cruise misfire causing engine
problems.
I would ask him about the basis for his comments. Unless he does a lot of
work on Experimentals, his experience with the Electroair ignition system is
probably very limited.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: RV-List: Electroair failure record?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Good morning,
> I installed the Electoair system recently and it has run smoothly, 12 =
> hours to date. Was just told by an A&P that it has the potential to =
> misfire at cruise speed and destroy the engine. Has anyone heard of this =
> happening, or of a weakness in the design that might cause such an =
> event? I have heard of misfire problems during startup due to voltage =
> dropping below 8 volts at the controller, but I don't have that problem.
> I searched the list archives and Google and found no mention of cruise =
> speed failure or potential failure.
>
> Thanks and have a great week,
> Dale
> RV6A 605 hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair failure record? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
After 689.9 hours with one on an O-320 I have not had this occur nor have I
heard of it.
You can get backfire during cranking (as I have and you have) if the batter=
y
voltage goes down below 8 volts or so as you say.
James
On 5/9/06, Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Good morning,
> I installed the Electoair system recently and it has run smoothly, 12
> hours to date. Was just told by an A&P that it has the potential to
> misfire at cruise speed and destroy the engine. Has anyone heard of this =
> happening, or of a weakness in the design that might cause such an
> event? I have heard of misfire problems during startup due to voltage
> dropping below 8 volts at the controller, but I don't have that problem.
> I searched the list archives and Google and found no mention of cruise =
> speed failure or potential failure.
>
> Thanks and have a great week,
> Dale
> RV6A 605 hours
>
>
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--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Electroair failure record? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Mine stumbled in flight on two occasions due to intermittent wiring
failure. Search my website for "ignition" for more details.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:37 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Electroair failure record?
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>
>> Good morning,
>> I installed the Electoair system recently and it has run smoothly, 12 =
>> hours to date. Was just told by an A&P that it has the potential to =
>> misfire at cruise speed and destroy the engine. Has anyone heard of this
>> =
>> happening, or of a weakness in the design that might cause such an =
>> event? I have heard of misfire problems during startup due to voltage =
>> dropping below 8 volts at the controller, but I don't have that problem.
>> I searched the list archives and Google and found no mention of cruise =
>> speed failure or potential failure.
>>
>> Thanks and have a great week,
>> Dale
>> RV6A 605 hours
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
I'll give them a call this morning.
thanks
dave
On May 8, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Tailgummer@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tailgummer@aol.com
>
> Dave,
> you may wish to visit the precision website (precisionairmotive
> dot com)
> and see some installation photos, or call Paul Kalgren there. Paul
> is a
> wealth of information. Have you also discussed this with
> Superior? I'm sure
> they'd help as well.
>
> John D'Onofrio RV8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling out screws (was: Fuel Tank Service Bulletin - Mad |
Rant !)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Anglin" <n144hr@earthlink.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: Bill Dube <william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
> I have found that if you start with a small drill and slowly =
increase
> the size, you can drill out the center of the screw with minimal =
damage
> to the threads in the hole. This is because the screw threads are =
harder
> than the body of the screw and tend to guide the drill toward the =
>center. If you increment the drill size slowly, all that will be =
left is
>the threads. You can pull them out with a needle nose if they =
don't
>simply wrap around the last drill.
> Bill Dube'
I have never had to try it but I have heard from those less fortunate =
that a left handed drill bit works quite well for this.
Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
RVers,
Just a reminder that the date for the 1st Annual Northwest Formation =
Clinic is approaching... June 30th - July 2nd. Full details on our web =
site... http://www.romeolima.com/FormationClinic/
A few notes:
-We have a block of rooms reserved at the hotel where we'll hold ground =
school, but the block expires June 1st. The hotel is FULL otherwise so =
lodging could be an issue if rooms are not reserved by that date.
-We need Instructor Pilots (IPs), anyone holding an FFI card or IP =
qualified -- we need you!
-Based on the number of IPs we may have to limit the roster so sign up =
now if you're interested.
Again, full info is on our web site, but if there are any other specific =
questions just let us know, contact info is on the site.
Hope to see you there!
Randy Lervold & Mike Wilson
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| Subject: | SS prop governor line |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Anyone out there have photos of a stainless steel prop governor line installed
on their O360?
Getting ready to do the same thing and wanna see how it should look when I'm done.
Thanks,
Ralph
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
Attn: Ron and William:
Your suggestions on removing screw bodies that had their heads already =
drilled out because they were "frozen" worked just fine. I started with =
a #51 bit and went up three or four sizes till I got up to 3/32nds and =
then a Craftsman "easy out" - a sort-of reverse cutting bit - easily =
rotated the stubs out with no damage to the nut plates behind them,
thanks fellowsl
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Proseal for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
If you want to do the fuel tank pickup tube coupling nut safety wiring =
modification, I have a quart of proseal from Van's just received =
Saturday and unopened. I will not be doing the change because of =
peculiar circumstances, so the $39.35 Van's price is yours for 50% plus =
shipping ($18.15 plus either UPS or mail - your choice.)
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I'll take it.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Fasching <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>Sent: May 9, 2006 2:07 PM
>To: RV List <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Proseal for Sale
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
>
>If you want to do the fuel tank pickup tube coupling nut safety wiring =
>modification, I have a quart of proseal from Van's just received =
>Saturday and unopened. I will not be doing the change because of =
>peculiar circumstances, so the $39.35 Van's price is yours for 50% plus =
>shipping ($18.15 plus either UPS or mail - your choice.)
>
>John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
John,
I'll take the pro seal. How do you want the payment?. You can
use my UPS number if possible or ship regular UPS..
Jim Nelson
RV9Jim@Juno.co,
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck screws |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Glad it worked John. That is one of my most frustrating jobs.
Ron
Do not archive
>Attn: Ron and William:
>
>Your suggestions on removing screw bodies that had their heads already =
>drilled out because they were "frozen" worked just fine. I started with =
>a #51 bit and went up three or four sizes till I got up to 3/32nds and =
>then a Craftsman "easy out" - a sort-of reverse cutting bit - easily =
>rotated the stubs out with no damage to the nut plates behind them,
>
>thanks fellowsl
>
>John at Salida, CO
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thanks fellows, there were several who wanted it, but by only a few =
minutes John Jessen was the first responder so I promised it to =
him...thanks anyway.
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: Proseal for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
John,
Who was first???
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Proseal for Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I replied off-line and guess I beat you guys by a couple minutes.
John Jessen
RV-10 40328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Proseal for Sale
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
John,
Who was first???
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Hi Dave,
If you go here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/) , and on the left side under Photos, you will
find a "Misc." file. Inside it are a bunch of pix of a throttle bracket I made
of steel. It is some 4130 I got from the scrap heap at Van's, measures .055
thick. Any sheet metal shop might have it, or if not, I'd be happy to mail
you a piece. HTH
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
Time: 04:03:26 PM PST US
From: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RV-List: throttle bracket for superior io 360
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
I have a Superior XP+ io360 with a composite sump and forward facing
Precision EX injection.
The throttle bracket that comes with Vans firewall foreword kit. will
not work.
The Composite sump mounting points are spaced differently and are
angled.
Has anyone out there encountered this problem and what has been the
solution
thanks
RV 7A N554DL
dave
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Cc: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
| Subject: | Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: mkejrj@comcast.net
Dave,
I had the same problem installing Superior's engine in my RV8. I fabricated an
aluminum bracket which I bolted onto the composite sump and used it as the termination
point for the throttle cable.
If desired I will mail you my shop drawing of my bracket...Let me know your "snail
mail" address if interested.The drawing is the end result of several days
of cut and fit and may save you some time.
Dick Jordan
RV8A ,N888BZ
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney
>
> I have a Superior XP+ io360 with a composite sump and forward facing
> Precision EX injection.
> The throttle bracket that comes with Vans firewall foreword kit. will
> not work.
> The Composite sump mounting points are spaced differently and are
> angled.
> Has anyone out there encountered this problem and what has been the
> solution
>
> thanks
> RV 7A N554DL
> dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
<html><body>
<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> I had the same problem installing Superior's engine in my RV8. I fabricated
an aluminum bracket which I bolted onto the composite sump and used
it as the termination point for the throttle cable.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> If desired I will mail you my shop drawing of my bracket...Let
me know your "snail mail" address if interested.The drawing is the end result
of several days of cut and fit and may save you some time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Dick Jordan</DIV>
<DIV> RV8A ,N888BZ</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle bracket for superior io 360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Jerry:
I went by Aircraft Spruce and Harbor Freight today. I got some 4130
(.063)
and a 4 inch vice break. I've never tried this before -- should be
interesting.
Hope to come up with something that looks sorta like your pictures.
Thanks
dave
On May 9, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> If you go here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/_
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/) , and on the left
> side under Photos, you will
> find a "Misc." file. Inside it are a bunch of pix of a throttle
> bracket I made
> of steel. It is some 4130 I got from the scrap heap at Van's,
> measures .055
> thick. Any sheet metal shop might have it, or if not, I'd be happy
> to mail
> you a piece. HTH
>
> Jerry Cochran
> Wilsonville, OR
>
> Time: 04:03:26 PM PST US
> From: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RV-List: throttle bracket for superior io 360
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have a Superior XP+ io360 with a composite sump and forward facing
> Precision EX injection.
> The throttle bracket that comes with Vans firewall foreword kit. will
> not work.
> The Composite sump mounting points are spaced differently and are
> angled.
> Has anyone out there encountered this problem and what has been the
> solution
>
> thanks
> RV 7A N554DL
> dave
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking of
plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
going to one tank, and makes fuel management a chore.
Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
Paul Besing
__________________________________________________
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Dick:
I bought some 0.063" 4130 sheet steel and a vice break to bend it today.
I thought I would give fabrication a try. But I would be very
interested in your
drawings. I called Superior today and talked to Fred in their tech
support.
He sent me some pictures that are the same as those listed on the
XP-360 Forum.
There were also some pictures of a Vans throttle bracket where they
gave the
stock bracket an extra bend.
My snail mail address is:
Dave Cudney
4996 Cherryhill drive
Riverside, CA 92507
Thanks
dave
On May 9, 2006, at 4:48 PM, mkejrj@comcast.net wrote:
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> Dave,
> I had the same problem installing Superior's engine in my RV8. I
> fabricated an aluminum bracket which I bolted onto the composite
> sump and used it as the termination point for the throttle cable.
>
> If desired I will mail you my shop drawing of my bracket...Let me
> know your "snail mail" address if interested.The drawing is the end
> result of several days of cut and fit and may save you some time.
>
> Dick Jordan
> RV8A ,N888BZ
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
>
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Cudney
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>> I have a Superior XP+ io360 with a composite sump and forward facing
>> Precision EX injection.
>> The throttle bracket that comes with Vans firewall foreword kit. will
>> not work.
>> The Composite sump mounting points are spaced differently and are
>> angled.
>> Has anyone out there encountered this problem and what has been the
>> solution
>>
>> thanks
>> RV 7A N554DL
>> dave
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> <DIV>Dave,</DIV>
> <DIV> I had the same problem installing Superior's engine in
> my RV8. I fabricated an aluminum bracket which I bolted onto
> the composite sump and used it as the termination point for the
> throttle cable.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> If desired I will mail you my shop drawing of my
> bracket...Let me know your "snail mail" address if interested.The
> drawing is the end result of several days of cut and fit and may
> save you some time.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> Dick Jordan</DIV>
> <DIV> RV8A ,N888BZ</DIV>
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Please see the following items that I posted on Ebay:
Rivet Sets, Flat Mushroom, AND 8" Rivet Set Extension
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On Top IFR Simulator and Instrument Rating Training Course
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Andair has a more elegant solution, a double valve fuel selector. It
switches the return line to the tank from which you are drawing.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Return Tee
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking of
plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
going to one tank, and makes fuel management a chore.
Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
This is the method that's being used in the RV-10. The fuel is returned to a
T installed in the line between the fuel selector valve and the fuel filter.
Albert Gardner
RV-10 #422
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Return Tee
I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking of
plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
going to one tank, and makes fuel management a chore.
Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
Vapor Lock
Assuming this is a continuous full time re-circulation. Fuel gets
heated as it circulates through the fuel injection components up
front. It needs to go to the tank to cool. It can get hot enough
that the boost pump doesn't create enough pressure to overcome the
vaporization.
I'm not familiar with the Simmons injection you mentioned. This is a
typical question/problem for alternate engine installations. These
typically have a constant volume or high pressure pump that has a
high recirc volume through the pressure regulator. In this case we
have to use something like the Andair Duplex (six port) fuel valve so
the recirc goes to the tank it came out of. This valve eliminates
the fuel management issue you talked about. The valve is
unfortunately very expensive at over
$300. http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
At 20:31 2006-05-09, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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>I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
>having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
>has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking of
>plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
>pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
>going to one tank, and makes fuel management a chore.
>
>Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
>
>Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Yeah, I saw that, very pricey, and I only have one
line plumbed to one tank. I'd have to spend the $400
on the selector, remove the right tank, take the
sender bracket off, plumb a return line to the tank,
etc, etc. I thought it was much easier just to plumb
the return back into the system, instead of the tank
it comes from.
Paul Besing
--- Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
> <Bruce@glasair.org>
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> Andair has a more elegant solution, a double valve
> fuel selector. It
> switches the return line to the tank from which you
> are drawing.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
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> Subject: RV-List: Fuel Return Tee
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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> I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
> having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
> has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking
> of
> plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
> pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
> going to one tank, and makes fuel management a
> chore.
>
> Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
>
> Paul Besing
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I think this will link to a picture of the assembly out of the plane.
Builder is Larry Rosen.
http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/Fuel_lines/slides/2006-02-27
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Albert Gardner
RV-10 #422
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
It's only about 1 GPH that returns..wouldn't 1 GPH
mixing with 9 GPH cool enough?
--- Michael McGee <jmpcrftr@teleport.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Michael McGee
> <jmpcrftr@teleport.com>
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> Vapor Lock
> Assuming this is a continuous full time
> re-circulation. Fuel gets
> heated as it circulates through the fuel injection
> components up
> front. It needs to go to the tank to cool. It can
> get hot enough
> that the boost pump doesn't create enough pressure
> to overcome the
> vaporization.
>
> I'm not familiar with the Simmons injection you
> mentioned. This is a
> typical question/problem for alternate engine
> installations. These
> typically have a constant volume or high pressure
> pump that has a
> high recirc volume through the pressure regulator.
> In this case we
> have to use something like the Andair Duplex (six
> port) fuel valve so
> the recirc goes to the tank it came out of. This
> valve eliminates
> the fuel management issue you talked about. The
> valve is
> unfortunately very expensive at over
> $300. http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html
>
> Mike
> Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
> 13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2
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> At 20:31 2006-05-09, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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> >I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
> >having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
> >has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking
> of
> >plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
> >pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
> >going to one tank, and makes fuel management a
> chore.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Return Tee |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Yes, but depending on how much fuel is consumed on each trip around the
circuit the fuel may get very hot and then you have the makings of a
vapor lock problem. If you don't want to replumb it to return fuel back
to the source tank, any chance you can add a small header tank? That
would allow more volume of fuel to dissipate any heat from the pass
through the fuel circuit.
On the other hand, if a significant portion of the pumped fuel is
consumed each time around the circuit, it may be no problem at all.
My $0.02. I have one of the $300 Andair fuel valves ;-) .
Dick Tasker
Paul Besing wrote:
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>Yeah, I saw that, very pricey, and I only have one
>line plumbed to one tank. I'd have to spend the $400
>on the selector, remove the right tank, take the
>sender bracket off, plumb a return line to the tank,
>etc, etc. I thought it was much easier just to plumb
>the return back into the system, instead of the tank
>it comes from.
>
>Paul Besing
>
>--- Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org> wrote:
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
>><Bruce@glasair.org>
>>
>>Andair has a more elegant solution, a double valve
>>fuel selector. It
>>switches the return line to the tank from which you
>>are drawing.
>>
>>Bruce
>>www.glasair.org
>>
>>
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>>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of Paul Besing
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:32 PM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Fuel Return Tee
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
>><pbesing@yahoo.com>
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>>I'm plumbing in a new fuel selector, and instead of
>>having my fuel return (older simmons injection that
>>has a fuel return) return to the tank, was thinking
>>of
>>plumbing in a tee in the line just before the fuel
>>pump. This is because the fuel return is currently
>>going to one tank, and makes fuel management a
>>chore.
>>
>>Any reason why I shouldn't do this? Cavatation, etc?
>>
>>Paul Besing
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