RV-List Digest Archive

Sun 05/14/06


Total Messages Posted: 27



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     1. 05:25 AM - Re: panel installation - radio trays (Rick Galati)
     2. 05:33 AM - Re: Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C (alan@reichertech.com)
     3. 06:14 AM - Re: panel installation - radio trays (Bobby Hester)
     4. 07:03 AM - Painter Feedback Sought (DAVID REEL)
     5. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: panel installation - radio trays (sarg314)
     6. 07:12 AM - Re: panel installation - radio trays (JEllis9847@aol.com)
     7. 08:32 AM - Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C (George Inman 204 287 8334)
     8. 11:10 AM - Inst panel hole cutting (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
     9. 11:14 AM - Re: Painter Feedback Sought (J. R. Dial)
    10. 11:51 AM - Handheld GPS batteries (Ron Lee)
    11. 12:39 PM - Re: Handheld GPS batteries (Terry Watson)
    12. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: panel installation - radio trays (Charles Reiche)
    13. 04:13 PM - Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
    14. 04:17 PM - Re: Lightspeed EI installation (Doug Weiler)
    15. 04:34 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (JIM)
    16. 04:35 PM - Re: Handheld GPS batteries (Ron Lee)
    17. 05:51 PM - Re: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs (dick martin)
    18. 06:23 PM - Rotating the Tires (Kyle Boatright)
    19. 06:31 PM - Wing Leveler (Kyle Boatright)
    20. 06:41 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (Bobby Hester)
    21. 07:11 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (Bruce Gray)
    22. 07:18 PM - Re: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs (Jeff Orear)
    23. 07:46 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (randall)
    24. 07:51 PM - Re: Rotating the Tires (Dan Checkoway)
    25. 08:03 PM - Re: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates (linn Walters)
    26. 08:11 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (Bruce Gray)
    27. 09:22 PM - Re: Inst panel hole cutting (Ron Lee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:25:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: panel installation - radio trays
    From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com> Tom, Installing a radio stack is fairly straightforward. I used .032 aluminum angle stock to tie the trays together and to the back of the panel. The two photographs (of my Garmin 430 stack) should give you a fairly good idea of a typical installation whether for 2 trays or 5 trays....the idea is about the same. http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3903/radiostack029bh.jpg http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/527/radiostack031zh.jpg Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 124 hours .......I gather these are normally mounted in a some sort of framework that attaches to the panel but I've never seen one of these. How close can I realistically place an instrument to this support frame? Does any one have any photos.........I can look at?..........Tom Sargent ] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34519#34519


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    Time: 05:33:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C
    From: alan@reichertech.com
    --> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com I just had a panel-mount (GPS155XL) installed in my Skylane, so I'm going to sell my 2000C. It is essentially new, only powered up at home for checkout. It has never been in a plane. It has the Terrain card with it. The database is expired since I haven't been using it. Any offers? -- Alan Reichert RV-8 N927AR (reserved) On Sun, May 14, 2006 2:57 am, RV-List Digest Server wrote: Time: 03:27:11 PM PST US From: wskimike@mchsi.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C --> RV-List message posted by: wskimike@mchsi.com I have been using my 2000C for over a year and the only problem I have is sometimes when I turn it on, it lights up but the screen has lines and is not usable. I have to pull the batteries out and then reboot it sometimes two or three times before it will work. Otherwise, I love it especially since I got the terrian chip just before fun and sun. I was told that you can buy a larger memory card and send both it and the new terrian chip back to lorrance and they will put the terrain on your larger chip, or is is an option to get a larger chip. You have to upgrade to the 1.4 version system. Mike Harris -------------- Original message from Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>: -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > Steve > What format is the memory chip? SD? Compact Flash? > Charlie Kuss > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" > > > > > > I've had mine since sun and fun and like it a lot. I bought the air > >gizmo mount for the panel and remove it a lot for terrestrial travel. The > >only squawks are the batteries (4 aa) are For backup only as they only last > >about an hour. And the memory chip is 500 meg only big enough for the air > >database with terrain. If you want to add highway info from the discs you > >have to swap chips or buy a bigger one. > > Strong points are the runway extensions and the terrain features. > >Also menu navigation is easy to master. > > > > > >Fwiw > >Steve dinieri > >40205 > > > > > > > >Subject: RV-List: Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > >Anyone out there using this with the new terrain awareness chip? Pros, > >cons..... > > > >do not archive > > > >Shemp/Jeff Dowling > >RV-6A, N915JD > >265 hours > >Chicago/Louisville > > > >


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    Time: 06:14:15 AM PST US
    From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: panel installation - radio trays
    --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net> Check near the bottom of this page: http://members.hopkinsville.net/bhester/FinishKitAssyPg2.htm Please update your address book with my new email address: bobbyhester@charter.net Surfing the Web, Highspeed now, from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-) sarg314 wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> > >I am getting down to the little details on panel design and am wondering >about clearance between instruments and my radio stack. The "stack" is >only an SL-30 radio and a KT-76C transponder. I have the trasponder in >hand, but not the radio yet. (I guess it's about time I rodered it.) > >I gather these are normally mounted in a some sort of framework that >attaches to the panel but I've never seen one of these. How close can I >realistically place an instrument to this support frame? Does any one >have any photos on their web site that I can look at? > > >Thanks, >-- >Tom Sargent >RV-6A > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:03:45 AM PST US
    From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
    Subject: Painter Feedback Sought
    --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> I'd like to hear from anyone who has had a paint job done by Alan Woodson at Brady Texas. I'm about to go down there to get my RV8A painted. Dave Reel


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    Time: 07:07:12 AM PST US
    From: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: panel installation - radio trays
    --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> Great photographs, guys. I think I get the idea. It looks like I'll have to give the radios a 1/2 to 3/4 margine around the edge. Thanks very much. -- Tom Sargent


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    Time: 07:12:20 AM PST US
    From: JEllis9847@aol.com
    Subject: Re: panel installation - radio trays
    --> RV-List message posted by: JEllis9847@aol.com Go to www.rvwiki.org and look at "Avionics Rack" to see how I mounted the avionics in my 9-A. There are several pictures that might be helpful. Jim Ellis RV9-A, N155T taxi testing, ready for first flight


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    Time: 08:32:02 AM PST US
    From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman@mts.net>
    Subject: Looking for reviews on the Lowrance AirMap 2000C
    --> RV-List message posted by: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman@mts.net> Have you tried Lithium AA batteries in the 2000C ? They might last quite a bit longer in an emergancy power failure. >The <BR>&gt; &gt;only squawks >are the batteries (4 aa) are For backup only >as they only last <BR>&gt; &gt;about >an hour. -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net


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    Time: 11:10:30 AM PST US
    From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
    Subject: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> Quick question folks: I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks close by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that they really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that I want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That could probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it CNC machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it in my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Trying to get the wiring finished


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    Time: 11:14:46 AM PST US
    From: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
    Subject: Painter Feedback Sought
    --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org> I had my plane done there and I am very satisfied. He has done several others as a result of mine. Mine is the yellow and red RV6 that is on his web-site and if you have any questions email me off list and I will give you my phone number or email off list. Dick Dial N89DD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID REEL Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: RV-List: Painter Feedback Sought --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net> I'd like to hear from anyone who has had a paint job done by Alan Woodson at Brady Texas. I'm about to go down there to get my RV8A painted. Dave Reel


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    Time: 11:51:21 AM PST US
    From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Handheld GPS batteries
    --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> Find someone with >2300 mAh NiMH batteries to see how long they last. You can get 2500 mAh AAs at Walmart now and with a 15 minute charger (Energizer), you can recharge them quickly and often Ron Lee > >The <BR>&gt; &gt;only squawks > >are the batteries (4 aa) are For backup only > >as they only last <BR>&gt; &gt;about > >an hour.


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    Time: 12:39:07 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: Handheld GPS batteries
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> In the current (June 2006) issue of Popular Science, pg. 22, they did a test of batteries in a digital camera. Since the requirements are not the same as for a GPS, these results may not translate well, but they are interesting. Conventional alkaline batteries: 533 shots Duracell Powerpix (Nickel Oxy Hydroxide): 920 shots Panasonic Oxyride (Nickel Oxy Hydroxide): 990 shots Energizer e2 Lithium: 3,107 shots Although the lithium batteries cost twice as much, they were obviously the best deal. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RV-List: Handheld GPS batteries --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> Find someone with >2300 mAh NiMH batteries to see how long they last. You can get 2500 mAh AAs at Walmart now and with a 15 minute charger (Energizer), you can recharge them quickly and often Ron Lee > >The <BR>&gt; &gt;only squawks > >are the batteries (4 aa) are For backup only > >as they only last <BR>&gt; &gt;about > >an hour.


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    Time: 04:00:45 PM PST US
    From: Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: panel installation - radio trays
    --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net> As an avionics installer by trade, I would recommend placing like .060" sheet between the trays when you design where the go, If you arent using a avionics cooling fan like one from troll avionics.... I recommend leaving that gap for some air flow.. you may think that a 1/8" gap between radios is unsightly but they will last longer if they are allowed to breath, especially in a non force-cooled installation. Position the trays with the .060 sheet and then take it out when doing final assembly of your racks. Never never never and never place forced cooling into a radio from something like a NACA duct on the side of the airframe. I recently pulled a 210 apart to install a Garmin GTX 330 and found that the 530 was being supplied cooling air from outside the airplane via a ram air vent on the sidewall. For S's and G's I took the cover off the 530 and looked inside, I found pieces of grass and corrosion all over the thing that will lead to its early demise. Cooling air has to be dry! And from inside the airplane. Charlie > Tom, > > Installing a radio stack is fairly straightforward. I used .032 aluminum > angle stock to tie the trays together and to the back of the panel. The > two photographs (of my Garmin 430 stack) should give you a fairly good > idea of a typical installation whether for 2 trays or 5 trays....the idea > is about the same. > http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3903/radiostack029bh.jpg > http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/527/radiostack031zh.jpg > > Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 124 hours > > > .......I gather these are normally mounted in a some sort of framework > that attaches to the panel but I've never seen one of these. How close > can I realistically place an instrument to this support frame? Does any > one have any photos.........I can look at?..........Tom Sargent


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    Time: 04:13:35 PM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs
    --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy 'list- Interested if anyone has a prime fixed-pitch candidate prop for one of the new 390 & 400 inch Lycoming clones- with the extra oomph, seems a f/p would be a good choice for reducing co$t, complexity & weight. I've e-mailed Craig Catto to see what he's got up his sleeve, but curious if others have suggestions? Anyone hit on a hot setup for one of these monsters yet? Thanks- Mark - do not archive


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    Time: 04:17:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lightspeed EI installation
    From: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
    --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> > > You need to rotate the prop (or flywheel) somewhat quickly to get it to > fire. I suspect the issue you're seeing is that you're not moving it > quickly enough. My experience with my Plasma II was that if you don't > rotate the prop/flywheel quickly enough during the phase test, you won't see > the coils firing. > > Otherwise, Klaus should be able to help you. Give him a call on the > phone...contact info at the bottom of this page: > http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/ > > Where are you located? If you're anywhere near SoCal I could probably give > you a hand. Thanks for the offer Dan, except I am way out here in Minnesota. I think you are right and affirmed by Alex that rotating the ring gear by hand won't do it. I'll proceed and check everything as instructed and hopefully it will fire up when finished. Thanks Doug


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    Time: 04:34:19 PM PST US
    From: "JIM" <perfeng@3rivers.net>
    Subject: Re: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: "JIM" <perfeng@3rivers.net> Dean, An easy way to do it using "common tools" is to measure and make your own template. Before you undertake several hours of measuring and layout you might try contacting the technical or production department and ask them if they have production drawings or 1:1 templates available. If not there are several ways in which to transfer your demensions to your template. You can either make the deminsions directly to a sheet of aluminum or draw it out on vellum and trace it using carbon paper backing. Either way using a piece of Al or very thin polycarbonate the same face size as your panel area will allow you to position and size the unit along with allowing you to make all your cuts and trial fit prior to actually cutting your panel. A good adjustable protactor saves lots of time laying out the off angles used. Just be sure you have the spacing in your sub. Oh BTW, a good machinist don't need no stinking CNC! :) Jim Duckett RV-7A N708JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: RV-List: Inst panel hole cutting > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> > > Quick question folks: > > I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine > monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks > close > by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that > they > really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that > I > want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That > could > probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest > problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its > outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of > making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle > from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have > VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the > only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it > CNC > machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny > looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at > the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any > suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the > Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it > in > my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Trying to get the wiring finished > > >


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    Time: 04:35:57 PM PST US
    From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Handheld GPS batteries
    --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> I would take this a step further and look at life cycle cost. Assume Alkaline battery = $1 each (533 shots) NiMH battery = $3.50 each (900 shots assumed) e2 Lithium battery = $3.50 each 3107 shots) Also assume only one battery is needed. Cost per shot then is: Alkaline = $1.00/533 = 0.187 cents/shot e2 Lithium = $3.50/3107 = 0.113 cents/shot Yes the Lithium is better than alkaline. But wait, we have examined the NiMh which is at first glance $3.50/900 = 0.389 cents/shot but since it can be recharged hundreds of times (let's be conservative and only use 300) then we are at 0.389/300 = 0.0013 cents/shot. Even adding in the charger cost makes the NiMh much better. Ron Lee >In the current (June 2006) issue of Popular Science, pg. 22, they did a test >of batteries in a digital camera. Since the requirements are not the same as >for a GPS, these results may not translate well, but they are interesting. > >Conventional alkaline batteries: 533 shots >Duracell Powerpix (Nickel Oxy Hydroxide): 920 shots >Panasonic Oxyride (Nickel Oxy Hydroxide): 990 shots >Energizer e2 Lithium: 3,107 shots > >Although the lithium batteries cost twice as much, they were obviously the >best deal. > >Terry


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    Time: 05:51:31 PM PST US
    From: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs
    --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com> Mark, I have 350 hours on my IO390 from Barrette Performance AC. I have both a 76" Hartzell from Vans AC and a Aero Composites 74" carbon fibre prop with blades optomized for the RV8. After extensive testing of both props, I have gone with the Aero Composites because it is 15 lbs lighter and 16 mph faster than the Hartzell and no vibration. The Aero Composites is slightly slower on rate of climb, approximately 200 - 300 fpm, however it still climbs over 2000 fpm in 30 to 50 degree outside air temps. I do have a Sam James cowl and plenum which does enhance performance over a stock Vans cowl setup. My airplane weighs 1140 lbs empty. For your information, I had a IO360 Lyc with 10-1 pistons etc prior to the IO390. I ran it for 946 hours before the bearings in the engine failed. As a result of that unpleasant experience, I would not recommend a pumped up engine again. On the average the IO390 is approximately 12lbs heavier than the IO360. At standard cruise settings 23x23 it uses a half gal per hour more fuel - 10.5 gal per hour and cruises on average 5 mph faster than the IO360 . I hope this information helps you with your engine,prop selection. Dick Martin RV8 N233 M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: RV-List: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Howdy 'list- > > Interested if anyone has a prime fixed-pitch candidate prop for one of the > new 390 & 400 inch Lycoming clones- with the extra oomph, seems a f/p > would be a > good choice for reducing co$t, complexity & weight. I've e-mailed Craig > Catto to see what he's got up his sleeve, but curious if others have > suggestions? > Anyone hit on a hot setup for one of these monsters yet? > > Thanks- > Mark - do not archive > > >


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    Time: 06:23:33 PM PST US
    From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Rotating the Tires
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> I finished my condition inspection yesterday but deferred pulling the = wheels. A visual inspection indicated that the brakes are in good shape, = and the tires have plenty of tread left, but it soon will be time to = rotate the tires left to right again, and when I do that, I'll re-pack = the wheel bearings. Anyway, the point is that whenever I do this, it seems to take forever. = You'd think it would be doable in a couple of hours, but for me it seems = to take a half day. Pulling the wheelpants, extracting the cotter pins = on the axle nuts, pulling loose the brake calipers, alternately jacking = up one side of the plane, then the other, removing a wheel and putting = the axle up on wood blocks. Then, it is time to let the air out of the = tubes, split the wheels, clean and pack the bearings, and reverse the = process. It takes forever... Which is why I deferred it yesterday. I = wanted to be done with the condition inspection, which turned out fine, = except for a broken Adel clamp on one of the exhaust hangars. Also, I = had my AI replace the mixture control thingie in the carburetor, because = it wasn't sealing well and it was getting difficult to stop the engine = with the mixture control. Back to the reason for the post... Are there any masters of the tire = rotation task? If so, what are your suggestions, other than having = everything at hand when the time comes? Suggestions appreciated. KB


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    Time: 06:31:51 PM PST US
    From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Wing Leveler
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> While I was doing my condition inspection, I did a little poking around = and discovered that it might *just* be possible to get a couple more = wires out into the right wing of N46KB to run the servo for a wing = leveler. Which brings me back to the old issue of which of the two common wing = levelers is "best", which is a heck of a subjective issue. I like the pseudo AH feature with the Tru-Track ADI, but then again, if = I got into a situation where I needed that feature, maybe it would be = best if I just turned on the wing leveler? On the other hand, the EZ = pilot seems to give the pilot more navigation information, but it = doesn't have provide any vertical navigation or the pseudo AH. I guess the bottom line is that I'm leaning towards the EZ pilot, but = I'm easily swayed. Thanks for any input. KB


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    Time: 06:41:22 PM PST US
    From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net> You should be able to do it like I did. I used a jig saw at first I thought that idea was crazy, but it worked great! you cut it just a little shy and file to the finish line. You can read about it on this page: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/FinishKitAssyPg3.html Please update your address book with my new email address: bobbyhester@charter.net Surfing the Web, Highspeed now, from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-) DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> > >Quick question folks: > >I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine >monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks close >by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that they >really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that I >want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That could >probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest >problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its >outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of >making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle >from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have >VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the >only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it CNC >machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny >looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at >the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any >suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the >Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it in >my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. > >Dean Psiropoulos >RV-6A N197DM >Trying to get the wiring finished > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:11:35 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org> What you want to do is find a friend that has AutoCAD and have him layout your panel on the computer. Then send the autocad file to a laser cutter and volla, instant perfect cutout panel. Wayne at www.engravers.net can cut your panel for you from your autocad file. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Hester Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Inst panel hole cutting --> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net> You should be able to do it like I did. I used a jig saw at first I thought that idea was crazy, but it worked great! you cut it just a little shy and file to the finish line. You can read about it on this page: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/FinishKitAssyPg3.html Please update your address book with my new email address: bobbyhester@charter.net Surfing the Web, Highspeed now, from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RV7A Slowbuild wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-) DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> > >Quick question folks: > >I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine >monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks close >by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that they >really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that I >want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That could >probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest >problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its >outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of >making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle >from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have >VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the >only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it CNC >machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny >looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at >the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any >suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the >Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it in >my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. > >Dean Psiropoulos >RV-6A N197DM >Trying to get the wiring finished > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:18:58 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Orear" <jorear@new.rr.com> Mark: Sounds like you are feeling a need.....a need for speed! Us guys with 150hp O320's gotta stick together dude! Do Not Archive Jeff Orear RV6A N782P Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: <Fiveonepw@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: RV-List: Prop choices for REALLY big 4-cyl Lycs > --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com > > Howdy 'list- > > Interested if anyone has a prime fixed-pitch candidate prop for one of the > new 390 & 400 inch Lycoming clones- with the extra oomph, seems a f/p > would be a > good choice for reducing co$t, complexity & weight. I've e-mailed Craig > Catto to see what he's got up his sleeve, but curious if others have > suggestions? > Anyone hit on a hot setup for one of these monsters yet? > > Thanks- > Mark - do not archive > > >


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    Time: 07:46:17 PM PST US
    From: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net> Jigsaw, files, hacksaw, drill -- worked fine for all of us "old-timers" who built before laser cutters were in vogue. Its a bit of work but I doubt it'd take less time than drawing on CAD. Randall Henderson > DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> > > > >Quick question folks: > > > >I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine > >monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks close > >by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that > they > >really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that I > >want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That could > >probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest > >problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its > >outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of > >making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle > >from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have > >VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the > >only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it > CNC > >machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny > >looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at > >the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any > >suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the > >Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it in > >my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. > > > >Dean Psiropoulos > >RV-6A N197DM > >Trying to get the wiring finished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:51:54 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotating the Tires
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com> Rotated mine today. It took about an hour and a half. Once you get the system down it goes more quickly. Here are my "tips": 1. I use 3/8" long screws on the wheel pants instead of the 1/2" screws called out on the plans. Shorter screws means fewer threads...means the screws are in/out faster. Also saves a tiny bit of weight (whatever). 2. I use a 7/16" "ratcheting dogbone" wrench on the bolts that attach the outsides of the wheel pants to the axle nut. This makes very quick work of getting those bolts out and back in. You might be able to get a small socket wrench on there, but I find the ratcheting dogbone is exactly what the doctor ordered. 3. Remove the valve stem completely when working with tubes. When you said "let the air out" in your email below, I wasn't sure how you were doing that...so if you're not removing the valve stem, do that. Air is let out very quickly (pretty much instantely...no need to hold the valve) and the tubes are much easier to work with when scrunching 'em up to fit into the tires. 4. This is general advice rather than a trick...DO NOT HANDLE A FULLY INFLATED TIRE/WHEEL that is not held captive by the axle nut. While it's extraordinarily unlikely, it HAS happened -- the wheel can "explode" by virtue of the halves separating, becoming projectiles. I *ALWAYS* remove the valve stem completely before loosening the axle nut. I re-inflate the tires only after the wheel is on the axle with the axle nut ON. In your email below it sounded like you removed the wheel from the axle and then let the air out. Ask around among A&Ps or shops and you'll hear some real horror stories. I met one guy personally who suffered a head injury when a wheel separated. Hope this helps... )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (904 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RV-List: Rotating the Tires > --> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net> > > > I finished my condition inspection yesterday but deferred pulling the = > wheels. A visual inspection indicated that the brakes are in good shape, = > and the tires have plenty of tread left, but it soon will be time to = > rotate the tires left to right again, and when I do that, I'll re-pack = > the wheel bearings. > > Anyway, the point is that whenever I do this, it seems to take forever. = > You'd think it would be doable in a couple of hours, but for me it seems = > to take a half day. Pulling the wheelpants, extracting the cotter pins = > on the axle nuts, pulling loose the brake calipers, alternately jacking = > up one side of the plane, then the other, removing a wheel and putting = > the axle up on wood blocks. Then, it is time to let the air out of the = > tubes, split the wheels, clean and pack the bearings, and reverse the = > process. It takes forever... Which is why I deferred it yesterday. I = > wanted to be done with the condition inspection, which turned out fine, = > except for a broken Adel clamp on one of the exhaust hangars. Also, I = > had my AI replace the mixture control thingie in the carburetor, because = > it wasn't sealing well and it was getting difficult to stop the engine = > with the mixture control. > > Back to the reason for the post... Are there any masters of the tire = > rotation task? If so, what are your suggestions, other than having = > everything at hand when the time comes? > > Suggestions appreciated. > > KB > > >


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    Time: 08:03:47 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates
    --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Paul ..... check with the seat-belt reweb company. Old seatbelts didn't have the cert label. The FAA made it an issue since there wasn't any TRACEABILITY of the belts ...... and could be from a car ....... However, the reweb folks DO use the hardware and DO put their cert label on their rewebbed belts. You need to get another mechanic. Linn Folbrecht, Paul wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com> > >Thanks for all the replies on this. Mechanic says that re-webbing is >NOT an option because that requires valid belts to start with, and these >are not. They are some bogus belts installed back who knows when. Of >course, they are in perfect shape and completely sturdy and safe. > >Oh well, another $400 gone. > >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry >Grimmonpre >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:55 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net> > >Paul ... >If you are close to Northern IL call Midwest Flight Check based at The >Landings airport Huntley Illinois. I don't know the ID for the airport. > >Midwest's # is 847-669-3515. It's operated by my son and two others in >partnership. You may talk to Gary, Scott or Gregg. Gary, my son, and >Gregg >are United mechanics with inspector authority. They are reasonable and >do >responsible work. You won't be disappointed .... no rip-offs there. >Regards ... >Jerry Grimmonpre' >RV8A Huntley IL > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:55 PM >Subject: RV-List: OT - Certified seatbelt data plates > > > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" >><PFolbrecht@starkinvestments.com> >> >>A&P is making me replace the belts on my '79 152 now in annual because >> >> >= > > >>the data plates are missing. The plates on the belts, that is. >> >> >Perhaps = > > >>I'm quite na=EFve, but I wasn't aware of such a thing, and in any case >> >> >= > > >>the previous two annuals I've done on this aircraft caused no such = >>complaints, and the last one was at the same shop! (Different head = >>mechanic now, though.) >> >> >> >>This is over $300 plus labor. What next? I had a $4K annual last >> >> >year = > > >>on this $25K aircraft and am looking at the same kind of bill again >> >> >this = > > >>year! All for mostly "little" stuff that just adds up like crazy - no >> >> >= > > >>motor work. I can't wait to own an experimental! >> >> >> >>Rant off. Do not archive! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:11:08 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org> It took me a couple of weeks with autocad and my learning curve to layout my very complex panel in my Glasair III. I can now do your average panel in about an hour. When you throw in all the 3/4 ATI square, 45 degree corners, VM 1000's and the other strange shaped stuff, it might take me 2 hours. When I'm done, every thing fits, all the mounting holes line up. You might be able to do it with a file, but you sure can tell when you look at the finished product. If you're going to make layout mistakes, it's much easier to fix the error on a computer screen than a sheet of aluminum. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of randall Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Inst panel hole cutting --> RV-List message posted by: "randall" <rv6n6r@comcast.net> Jigsaw, files, hacksaw, drill -- worked fine for all of us "old-timers" who built before laser cutters were in vogue. Its a bit of work but I doubt it'd take less time than drawing on CAD. Randall Henderson > DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net> > > > >Quick question folks: > > > >I'm finally to the point where I HAVE to cut the instrument and engine > >monitor display holes in my panel blanks. I thought I had some folks close > >by who could do that but in talking to them yesterday I discovered that > they > >really don't have the capabilities that I need. I have a Dynon D-10 that I > >want to flush mount and that requires a nicely made SQUARE hole. That could > >probably be done with an old hand operated milling machine. The biggest > >problem though is the Vision Microsystems engine monitor display. Its > >outside edges are basically a square hole but at the corners, instead of > >making them 90 degrees, they transition into something like a 45 deg angle > >from the vertical lines to the horizontal lines. Those of you who have > >VM-1000 know what I'm talking about and needless to say, I'm convinced the > >only way to get a nice looking hole to put this display in is to have it > CNC > >machined. Since there is no bezel that fits over the top of this funny > >looking hole, it has to be done right the first time or I'll be looking at > >the botched workmanship every time I check my engine parameters. Any > >suggestions about how I'm might achieve this. Is there anyone east of the > >Mississippi river that has machining templates to do this or can I do it in > >my shop with common tools somehow? Thanks. > > > >Dean Psiropoulos > >RV-6A N197DM > >Trying to get the wiring finished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:22:27 PM PST US
    From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: Inst panel hole cutting
    --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> There are places to scrimp and places to do it right. The panel is something that you and everyone else will see on every flight, on the ground, etc. Ron Lee Do not archive




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