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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: AD compliance documentation questions (Mickey Coggins)
2. 04:16 AM - Barry Mounts and torque (Dana Overall)
3. 04:28 AM - Re: AD compliance documentation questions (N395V)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Barry Mounts and torque (Jerry Springer)
5. 05:48 AM - Re: Barry Mounts and torque (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 05:52 AM - not rv related (Glen Matejcek)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: Ryton sumps (Karen and Robert Brown)
8. 08:30 AM - Re: not rv related (Sherman Butler)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: AD compliance documentation questions (Jekyll)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: AD compliance documentation questions (N395V)
11. 09:10 AM - Re:Ryton sumps (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
12. 09:13 AM - Re: Ryton sumps (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
13. 09:22 AM - Re: AD compliance documentation questions (Jekyll)
14. 09:29 AM - Re: not rv related (Patrick Kelley)
15. 09:29 AM - Re: Rotating the Tires (Wentz, Don)
16. 10:08 AM - Re: not rv related (Larry Bowen)
17. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Ryton sumps (linn Walters)
18. 01:29 PM - Panel For Sale (Jeff Linebaugh)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: Ryton sumps (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
20. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: AD compliance documentation questions (Tim Bryan)
21. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Ryton sumps (Dave Nellis)
22. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Ryton sumps (Ron Lee)
23. 05:57 PM - use tax in arizona (sarg314)
24. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: AD compliance documentation questions (Charlie England)
25. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Ryton sumps (Darrell Reiley)
26. 06:47 PM - Re: use tax in arizona (Paul Besing)
27. 06:49 PM - Ryton Sumps (Mannan J. Thomason)
28. 06:51 PM - Re: Ryton sumpsRyton sumps (Karen and Robert Brown)
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Never, EVER give a law enforcement officer consent to search anything. Make
> them jump through all the hoops, probable cause, warrant, etc.
>
> The Supreme Court has already ruled that your incoming/outgoing phone number
> list is NOT protected. No warrant is necessary. Same with emails and
> content, no expectation of privacy.
I think Bruce is correct here. The Supreme Court ruled that because
"it is doubtful that telephone users in general have any expectation
of privacy regarding the numbers they dial" that it was ok for
the police to record these numbers.
So, according to the Supreme Court, the more the average person
gives up their constitutional rights, the more all of our rights
are eroded.
I would be worried about writing too much in the aircraft logbook
since if this kind of twisted logic is used by the FAA during
a ramp check, then eventually, if lots of people start putting
unnecessary things in their logbook, you might fail a ramp check
because you did only what was legally required.
> Everyone says we failed to connect the dots, but fail to see that we need
> the dots to connect first.
That's a can of worms! From what I've read, there were FBI
agents in at least two parts of the country that were shouting
at HQ that they had potential terrorists getting flight training,
but the HQ people didn't listen. Seems like we had more than
just "dots" to connect, we had stick men, but still didn't
get the picture.
I'm not sure more erosion of our liberty is the answer.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Barry Mounts and torque |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
I bought four new barry mounts locally and have a couple question. The shop
I bought them from stated to position the ridged half on the load side of
the mount, thus on the top face the ridges rearward and on the bottom face
them forward. I looked at a fellow builder's 7 over the weekend and a
visitor to his hanger stated just the opposite, the ridges went forward on
the top and rearward on the bottom. What gives???
Since I bought these locally, I don't have the required 7 bolt length and
metal locking nut torques. Looks to me like it will be 4.5" to clear the
acc. case (1" thick) by 1/2". What da yee say??
Also I need a torque value on this bolt/mount combo.
Want to hang this engine!!!!!
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
> That's kinda like saying there's no harm in letting the cops do a
> warrant-less search of your car for drugs if you don't use drugs
Actually I liken more to painting my house in a traditional color as opposed to
pink and purple to enhance curb appeal and resale value.
Were I purchasing an RV 8 or a Rocket I would like to know if the fuel pump AD
had been done or if any of the Crank SBs applied. Logbook notations to that effect
would help.
If the FAA checks your logbooks on a ramp check it's cuz you #1 had them with you
and #2 told them to look at them. Don't want them looked at don't carry them
in the plane.
Now as for the Gumn't keeping records on our phone calls, yep we failed to connect
the dots. Theyr'e probably also reading the e mail lists which those 9 black
robed distinguished idiots would probably also say is ok.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Barry Mounts and torque |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Dana Overall wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>I bought four new barry mounts locally and have a couple question. The shop
>I bought them from stated to position the ridged half on the load side of
>the mount, thus on the top face the ridges rearward and on the bottom face
>them forward. I looked at a fellow builder's 7 over the weekend and a
>visitor to his hanger stated just the opposite, the ridges went forward on
>the top and rearward on the bottom. What gives???
>
>Since I bought these locally, I don't have the required 7 bolt length and
>metal locking nut torques. Looks to me like it will be 4.5" to clear the
>acc. case (1" thick) by 1/2". What da yee say??
>
>Also I need a torque value on this bolt/mount combo.
>
>Want to hang this engine!!!!!
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY i39
>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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>
>
The shop you bought them from is right.
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| Subject: | Re: Barry Mounts and torque |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Check the archives - I think I got the torque values for my engine mounts there.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 16, 2006 7:06 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Barry Mounts and torque
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>I bought four new barry mounts locally and have a couple question. The shop
>I bought them from stated to position the ridged half on the load side of
>the mount, thus on the top face the ridges rearward and on the bottom face
>them forward. I looked at a fellow builder's 7 over the weekend and a
>visitor to his hanger stated just the opposite, the ridges went forward on
>the top and rearward on the bottom. What gives???
>
>Since I bought these locally, I don't have the required 7 bolt length and
>metal locking nut torques. Looks to me like it will be 4.5" to clear the
>acc. case (1" thick) by 1/2". What da yee say??
>
>Also I need a torque value on this bolt/mount combo.
>
>Want to hang this engine!!!!!
>
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY i39
>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi All-
This is not directly RV related so plz delete right now if so inclined, and
do not archive.
I'm going to be stuck in Vegas for a few days next week. Neither my
partner nor I are interested in the typical Vegas attractions. Any
suggestions for entertainment for a couple of aviation geeks?
TIA-
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
Doug,
If your sump is forward facing and it was made by Superior, it's a Ryton =
(composite) sump. If it's metal, it's not Ryton.
Mine broke during a test of the engine. Since the plane has not flown =
yet, I can't give you the fuel flow info you requested. You are =
expressing the same reservations I have on the Ryton sump. When =
everyone else breaks a sump, you wonder what they did wrong. When it =
happens to you after you've tried to do everything right, you realize =
what a fragile link to the chain that sump is. I don't think I could be =
comfortable flying behind one until there is a re-design out there. For =
the life of me, I don't know why that hasn't been accomplished yet. =
It's not like Superior doesn't know they have a problem with these =
things.
What type of ignitions are you running? If you are running electronic =
ignitions, you need to read and understand the SB posted on Superior's =
website regarding the wasted spark ignitions (Lightspeed, Jeff Rose, P/E =
Mags) and Ryton sumps.
bob
rv7a - last few things
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| Subject: | Re: not rv related |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
The predator flies out of Indian Hills,about 40 miles north.
Glen Matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote: -->
I'm going to be stuck in Vegas for a few days next week. Neither my
partner nor I are interested in the typical Vegas attractions. Any
suggestions for entertainment for a couple of aviation geeks?
Do not archive.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
> N395V wrote:
>
> That's kinda like saying there's no harm in letting the cops do a
> warrant-less search of your car for drugs if you don't use drugs. Or
> letting the Gummint have a record of all your phone calls & emails if
> you aren't a terrorist.
>
>
Oh, please! Missed the point. It is about taking the extra (and easy) step now
to avoid future arguements that may crop up in pre-sale negotiations or post-accident
legal or insurance coverage hassels. This is an "ounce of prevention"
being better than a "pound of cure".
Jekyll
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Jekyll wrote:
>
> ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
> > N395V wrote:
> >
> > That's kinda like saying there's no harm in letting the cops do a
> > warrant-less search of your car for drugs if you don't use drugs. Or
> > letting the Gummint have a record of all your phone calls & emails if
> > you aren't a terrorist.
> >
> >
>
>
> Oh, please! Missed the point. It is about taking the extra (and easy) step now
to avoid future arguements that may crop up in pre-sale negotiations or post-accident
legal or insurance coverage hassels. This is an "ounce of prevention"
being better than a "pound of cure".
>
> Jekyll
Jekyl,
I am sure that it was a slip of the mouse when making the quote above but N395V
did not write the quote attributed. That particular quote was in response to
N395Vs post.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Guys,
Please post your messages concerning these sumps also on
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XP-360Forum/) . I am
sure the guys at Superior check that one so important they know what the
sentiment is out here. Last time I talked to them about these failures, they
assured me "It's never happened in flight." Cold comfort. They also said they're
working on a replacement, but not free to present owners unless you "have a
problem". These folks need to step up, communicate with their customers, and
schedule free replacements when available. Mine is still in the garage, but
90/90, so I hope they get off their duff. My .10.
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
In a message dated 5/16/2006 12:06:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list@matronics.com writes:
Time: 06:22:24 PM PST US
From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Ryton sumps
--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
We also had a broken sump on the Superior XP-360. I don't even know if it
is
a Ryton. It has been replaced but I am very leery of it now. Seems we were
running a bit lean at low power.
It back fired on start up. Our servo was a repaired unit so we got a new
one
but not sure it is any different. Please give me some input if u are running
the same engine.
1. What is the fuel flow at take off power....we show 16.3 GPH.
2. What are the EGT's at some altitude at full rich.
3. What are the EGT's at that altitude after leaning on the rich side
Appreciate any and all info on this engine. We are not confident that
things
are as they should be and concerned with causing damage.
Thanks,
Doug Preston
RV-7A N196VA
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
Bob and Doug,
Superior has told me these incidents have only happened with electronic
ignitions. Is that what you guys have? Something about the "wasted spark"... Even
though I have mags, still makes me nervous as hell...
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
In a message dated 5/16/2006 12:06:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list@matronics.com writes:
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
Subject: RV-List: Ryton sumps
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown"
<bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
Yesterday, I joined the ranks of people who have broken their ryton =
sumps during startup. 3 out of 4 ryton sumps on the field have now =
broken at least once. I am not comfortable with that record, so am now =
looking at alternatives for replacement.
Does anyone have feedback on what options are out there for a forward =
facing sump?
Bob Brown
RV7A
last few things...oh, and a NEW INDUCTION SYSTEM!
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
Milt:
Quite right. My quoting ability was a mouse click or two from my desired results.
Quotes inside quotes... something along the lines of riddles inside inigmas.
My appologies.
Jekyll
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster@flion.com>
McCarren Airport. I did my first long cross-country from Oakland to there,
in a C-152. I wound up parked next to a Nigerean Herc, as I recall, and my
view to the tower was blocked by a 747. Their progressive taxi instructions
to me on departure started "Taxi forward until we can see you..." As I went
to the ramp to arrange for service (I had lost my vacuum pump about 10 miles
out), a NASA T-28 taxied up and the two pilots leapt out, giving
instructions to "refuel and park it, please"; leaving a novice pilot (me)
starry-eyed that they could use the FBO as a valet and the T-28 for a
weekend commute to Vegas. There's always something interesting there, in all
sizes and shapes.
While I, too, am not interested in the shows or gambling, I do like to visit
some of the theme stores and casinos. The NASCAR attraction is interesting,
and I like to spend a little time at Margaritaville and the Harley-Davidson
caf. These are my preferences; what I'm really suggesting is that you
stroll the row and see what catches your eye. The Venetian is an example of
a place that has more than the usual casino fare; there's shops and
restaurants.
You might also want to take the tour flights. Anyway, good luck and have a
good time.
PatK - RV-6A - cabin interior work continues...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sherman Butler
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: not rv related
--> RV-List message posted by: Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>
The predator flies out of Indian Hills,about 40 miles north.
Glen Matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote: -->
I'm going to be stuck in Vegas for a few days next week. Neither my
partner nor I are interested in the typical Vegas attractions. Any
suggestions for entertainment for a couple of aviation geeks?
Do not archive.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Rotating the Tires |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Oops,
I meant 'outsides' are just about gone.
dw
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wentz, Don
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Rotating the Tires
--> RV-List message posted by: "Wentz, Don" <don.wentz@intel.com>
Wow,
Something to remember, although I also finished installing new tires
last weekend.
Most RV guys I know do ONE tire 'rotation' for the life of the tire. If
you wait until the insides of the tires are just about done before you
rotate, you should only have to do it once, and it will significantly
lengthen the life of your tires.
My 'AeroTrainers' lasted a little over 300 hrs, and with one 'rotation',
a set of "Condors" lasted 600 hrs on my RV-6 (the grooves were still
just visible, no cording).
I can't do the swap in an hour and a half, but all of Dan's tips should
help.
Don
RV-6 925hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I got some duel in a sail plane in a nearby town a couple years ago. Fun.
Probably in the phone book.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Matejcek [mailto:aerobubba@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:51 AM
> To: RV-List Digest Server
> Subject: RV-List: not rv related
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
> <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi All-
>
> This is not directly RV related so plz delete right now if so
> inclined, and do not archive.
>
> I'm going to be stuck in Vegas for a few days next week.
> Neither my partner nor I are interested in the typical Vegas
> attractions. Any suggestions for entertainment for a couple
> of aviation geeks?
>
> TIA-
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--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
That doesn't make sense to me at all. Why would a spark (at any time)
cause a failure of the oil sump???? I'd love to see the data on that one!!!
Linn
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Jerry2DT@aol.com wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
>
>
>Bob and Doug,
>
>Superior has told me these incidents have only happened with electronic
>ignitions. Is that what you guys have? Something about the "wasted spark"...
Even
>though I have mags, still makes me nervous as hell...
>
>Jerry Cochran
>Wilsonville, OR
>
>
>In a message dated 5/16/2006 12:06:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>rv-list@matronics.com writes:
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Ryton sumps
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown"
><bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
>Yesterday, I joined the ranks of people who have broken their ryton =
>sumps during startup. 3 out of 4 ryton sumps on the field have now =
>broken at least once. I am not comfortable with that record, so am now =
>looking at alternatives for replacement.
>
>Does anyone have feedback on what options are out there for a forward =
>facing sump?
>
>Bob Brown
>RV7A
>last few things...oh, and a NEW INDUCTION SYSTEM!
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
-------Original Message-------
From: Jeff Linebaugh
rv-list@matonics.com; v8-list@matronics.com; rv4-list@matronics.com;
RVSouthEast-list@matronics.com
Subject: F1 Rocket Panel For Sale
I have a new (never flown) F1 Rocket Panel for sale. The panel is comple=
te
with all components installed, and pre-wired avionics harnesses. Please
e-mail me for more photos/details if interested.
Thanks
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jeff@rocket-boys.com
F1 Rocket N240KT soon coming to...
Memphis, TN.
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--> RV-List message posted by: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
Bob, we do have the Ryton composite sump. Superior tells us that ours was #
11 to break. We are running slick mags. Very frustrating. They do not have an
aluminum sump. If this happens in flight it will be bad news......litigation
to follow. They need to get on the stick. We have 12 hours on the 7A so far.
Good luck.
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6@bryantechnology.com>
Mickey,
I would sure recommend not to carry the log books in the airplane, and if
for some reason you do, (going to an annual) Don't volunteer that you hav=
e
them in event of a ramp check.
I remember my private pilot learning tapes about getting that log out of =
the
plane. It would be hard to fly with a log in there. Log books not requi=
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My pilots log book as well, never goes with me. If anything ever happe=
ns,
nobody has any idea where it might be.
Tim
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From: Mickey Coggins
I would be worried about writing too much in the aircraft logbook
since if this kind of twisted logic is used by the FAA during
a ramp check, then eventually, if lots of people start putting
unnecessary things in their logbook, you might fail a ramp check
because you did only what was legally required.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
What happens in the wasted spark ignition is that
there are two sparks to a complete cycle. The first
is at the top of the compression stroke. The second
is at the top of the exhaust stroke and the opening of
the intake valve. If the spark hits the fuel/air
mixture at this point, a back fire occurs towards the
carb or throttlebody and the ryton sump cannot contain
the explosive condition, therefore, it disintegrates.
Dave
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> That doesn't make sense to me at all. Why would a
> spark (at any time)
> cause a failure of the oil sump???? I'd love to see
> the data on that one!!!
> Linn
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> >Bob and Doug,
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> >Superior has told me these incidents have only
> happened with electronic
> >ignitions. Is that what you guys have? Something
> about the "wasted spark"... Even
> >though I have mags, still makes me nervous as
> hell...
> >
> >Jerry Cochran
> >Wilsonville, OR
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> >In a message dated 5/16/2006 12:06:17 A.M. Pacific
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> >rv-list@matronics.com writes:
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> <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
> >Subject: RV-List: Ryton sumps
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> >Yesterday, I joined the ranks of people who have
> broken their ryton =
> >sumps during startup. 3 out of 4 ryton sumps on
> the field have now =
> >broken at least once. I am not comfortable with
> that record, so am now =
> >looking at alternatives for replacement.
> >
> >Does anyone have feedback on what options are out
> there for a forward =
> >facing sump?
> >
> >Bob Brown
> >RV7A
> >last few things...oh, and a NEW INDUCTION SYSTEM!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
I don't believe this. How much ignitable fuel/air mixture can be there?
Plus the exhaust valve is likely open.
And it does not explain Doug's case were he has two mags.
Ron Lee
>What happens in the wasted spark ignition is that
>there are two sparks to a complete cycle. The first
>is at the top of the compression stroke. The second
>is at the top of the exhaust stroke and the opening of
>the intake valve. If the spark hits the fuel/air
>mixture at this point, a back fire occurs towards the
>carb or throttlebody and the ryton sump cannot contain
>the explosive condition, therefore, it disintegrates.
>
>Dave
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| Subject: | use tax in arizona |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Has any one registered their homebuilt in Arizona in the last 6 mo. or
12 months? I'd be interested in hearing your experience with the use
tax and the AZ Dept. of Revenue. Apparently their response is not very
consistent from one case to the next.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: AD compliance documentation questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Jekyll wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
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>
>ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
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>>N395V wrote:
>>
>>That's kinda like saying there's no harm in letting the cops do a
>>warrant-less search of your car for drugs if you don't use drugs. Or
>>letting the Gummint have a record of all your phone calls & emails if
>>you aren't a terrorist.
>>
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>
>
>Oh, please! Missed the point. It is about taking the extra (and easy) step now
to avoid future arguements that may crop up in pre-sale negotiations or post-accident
legal or insurance coverage hassels. This is an "ounce of prevention"
being better than a "pound of cure".
>
>Jekyll
>
The point is that AD's carry legal obligation. I believe that Das Fed
will tell you that an AD has never been issued on a homebuilt. Yet.
Remember the uproar just a few weeks ago over Van issuing a 'mandatory'
service bulletin? Do you really want something like that issued by the
Feds with the force of law?
I'm not questioning the wisdom of carrying out some particular
safety-related SB. I'm just saying that I don't want the Gummint
treating my homebuilt like a factory plane. Making logbook entries that
talk about complying with AD's are starting the slide down that slippery
slope.
(BTW, the dots were visible and connected; the people at the top just
refused to listen, just like they refused to listen to the CIA &
military prior to the current Iraq situation.)
Charlie
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
In any case, I personally do not like the idea of a poly/plastic media containing
my engines blood (oil). These engines are expensive! When I first saw the Ryton
sump it looked like a problem just waiting to happen. Just my .02 cents...
Darrell
Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
I don't believe this. How much ignitable fuel/air mixture can be there?
Plus the exhaust valve is likely open.
And it does not explain Doug's case were he has two mags.
Ron Lee
>What happens in the wasted spark ignition is that
>there are two sparks to a complete cycle. The first
>is at the top of the compression stroke. The second
>is at the top of the exhaust stroke and the opening of
>the intake valve. If the spark hits the fuel/air
>mixture at this point, a back fire occurs towards the
>carb or throttlebody and the ryton sump cannot contain
>the explosive condition, therefore, it disintegrates.
>
>Dave
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| Subject: | Re: use tax in arizona |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
No, it's not real consistent. I registered my RV-6A
back in '98 or so. I got a bill about 6 months later.
Told them it was just a pile of metal, and never
heard from them again.
Paul Besing
--- sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Has any one registered their homebuilt in Arizona in
> the last 6 mo. or
> 12 months? I'd be interested in hearing your
> experience with the use
> tax and the AZ Dept. of Revenue. Apparently their
> response is not very
> consistent from one case to the next.
> --
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
"I don't believe this"
Ron:
Here's my two cents.
The forward facing sump means that the engine is fuel injected. This =
condition happens when the boost pump is left on too long with the =
mixture in the rich, or other than idle cut off position. Raw fuel is =
sent thru the injector nozzles into the intake area ahead of the valve =
and drains down the intake tubes into the air plenun below the oil sump.
What happens next is that the electronic spark system which fires on two =
of the four strokes of the combustion cycle,
(unlike conventional ignition systems which fires only one time in the =
four cycle circuit), fires when there is an open path to the plenum, =
intake valve slightly open. If conditions are right, a flame front =
travels down the intake tube into the plenum igniting an explosion.
It doesn't take much. I have seen a demonstration put on by the local =
firefighters where one drop of gasoline created an ear-spliting bang.
You've seen, or at least heard of backfires on engine starts with =
regular mags too, i'm sure. Pretty much the same thing happening there =
too.
Probably not likely to happen in flight, but you couldn't give me one of =
those things.
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N161RL (No. One Girl)
Almost flying
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| Subject: | Re: Ryton sumpsRyton sumps |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Karen and Robert Brown" <bkbrown@ashcreekwireless.com>
I've been on the phone all day researching this topic. Thanks for =
pointing me in the right direction Gary.
Here's the deal:
If you want a "cold air sump", there seems to be 3 choices-
Ryton sump by Superior
Magnesium sump by ECI
Barrett Precision cold air sump
All the other metal sumps out there-
Aerosport Power
Aero Engines
Superflite
Are all copies of the Lycoming cast aluminum sump (not cold air sumps)
The Ryton sump (by Superior Engines) we've discussed before here, it =
costs 1000 to 1300 dollars and will break when used with a wasted spark =
electronic ignition system...if not sooner, then later. You might not =
know it's broken unless you inspect it closely like I did. Superior =
does not see the magnitude of the problem of the sumps it has in the =
field, but is currently in a "redesign" of the Ryton sump to address the =
wasted spark ignition issue. The new sump is expected out by October. =
Based on other new product announcements, I wouldn't look for it a day =
sooner.
The magnesium sump by ECI is just now becoming available and costs about =
$2400 including the tubes. There are two of them out there on aircraft =
so far. If you want to be #3, they should be ready to ship on May 22. =
I was told I'd have to fab a support bracket for the Bendix or AFP servo =
because that was "too much weight" out there for the induction portion =
of the sump to hold unsupported. That bothered me. The flange for =
mounting the fuel servo is also forward from where the Ryton sump flange =
is, which will mean more extensive alteration of the air snorkel to get =
it to fit.
I don't have the information on the Barrett Cold Sump system, but it is =
the most expensive of the three. I'll post that here when I find it.
I guess that's it...
My choice will be the Superflight sump, when it's available in a few =
weeks. It's a clone of the Lycoming forward facing sump, so it's not a =
"cold air sump". I have made peace with that and decided if I get a =
sump that WON'T BREAK, that will be more important than a few more =
horsepower. All these clones of the Lycoming forward facing sump are =
priced about the same at $2200.
I sure think there's a market out there for a well made cold air =
induction system...but I don't think there's a good one at a reasonable =
price that's available yet.
For those of you who are running Ryton sumps, I encourage you to inspect =
them very closely and very regularly. Like every time you fly. Two of =
these sumps that have broken here have actually broken into pieces that =
fell out onto the ground below the aircraft. The others have just =
cracked. In the case of my sump, the engine still ran fine with the =
cracked sump. Had we had the engine cowled, I would have had no reason =
to uncowl it to inspect it before going flying. Had the lower part of =
the sump (where the fuel servo mounts) broken off in flight, I am sure =
it would have ruined my day.
bob
rv7a
last few things plus a new induction system
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