---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/18/06: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:04 AM - Re: Ryton sumps (RAS) 2. 03:41 AM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related () 3. 03:44 AM - not rv related (Glen Matejcek) 4. 05:04 AM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (Bob) 5. 05:28 AM - 0-320 E2D $10,500 (Gary Childers) 6. 05:33 AM - Re: Ryton sumps (BPA) 7. 06:24 AM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (sportav8r@aol.com) 8. 10:41 AM - Ryton:Sniffle Valve (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 9. 12:17 PM - 0-320-E2D $10,500 (Gary Childers) 10. 12:17 PM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (Chuck Jensen) 11. 12:48 PM - Hangar Question - More Info (Tim Bryan) 12. 01:45 PM - Re: Hangar Info (Konrad L. Werner) 13. 02:19 PM - Re: Hangar Info (John Jessen) 14. 02:19 PM - Re: Hangar Question - More Info (John D.Heath) 15. 02:46 PM - Canopy cover (PGLong@aol.com) 16. 03:20 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Mike Kraus) 17. 03:22 PM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (Chris W) 18. 03:25 PM - Re: Hangar Question - More Info (Darrell Reiley) 19. 03:40 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Tony Marshall) 20. 04:37 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Richard Dudley) 21. 04:38 PM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 22. 05:18 PM - Re: Hangar Question - More Info (Jack Haviland) 23. 05:24 PM - Re: Hangar question - Not RV related (Terry Watson) 24. 05:30 PM - Re: Hangar Question - More Info (Charlie England) 25. 06:29 PM - wing walk anti-slip (Heinrich Gerhardt) 26. 07:04 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Chopper 2) 27. 07:04 PM - Re: wing walk anti-slip (Steven DiNieri) 28. 07:15 PM - Re: Canopy cover (Larry Bowen) 29. 09:00 PM - Re: wing walk anti-slip (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 30. 09:07 PM - Re: make ur cover (WPAerial@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:35 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: Ryton sumps --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "BPA" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Ryton sumps > --> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" > > Regardless of what type of ignition source you have, or, which sump you snip Allen, so why then don't any other sumps give the same problem as the Ryton? regardless of make as you said in your post. The method of using the electric boost pump is described method by Lycoming to start their injected series of engines. I'm somewhat confused by your post. MJR ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:38 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: >From: "Tim Bryan" > >I am drawing plans for a hangar on my own property. >While the RV will fit in a much smaller hangar, it isn't >prudent (IMHO) to build a hangar that small. What is >the basic size of a hangar such as the typical T-hangars >at the local airport? Width, depth, and ceiling height > >Thanks Tim RV-6 N616TB Tim build it as large as you can afford and have room for. Don't copy a T-hanger. I don't have dimensions but consider the largest plane you may ever put it to it. The tallest planes are Amphibian / Float planes. Consider a large twin like an Aerostar or Navajo. My plans (shelved for now) where for a hanger about 40 wide by 50 feet (dream hanger 100 feet deep). In the back was a shop and garage plus room for more than one plane. Don't forget about height. You want to may be leave room for an aircraft lift. http://www.armaerospace.com/ You forgot to mention MONEY. So build the biggest thing you can. You will not regreat having too much room. George __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:41 AM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: not rv related --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Thanks to all who replied on and off line. I'm sure we won't go buggy now! Do not archive! Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:10 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: Bob >Don't know what a T-Hanger size is, but built it a little bigger then = >what you need whilst at it. You will never have to much room. Except when you are trying to heat or cool it. In July and August it is way too hot to work in, and then in Jan and Feb it is way to cold to work in. If you have never tried heating a 50' X 50' uninsulated metal building then you are in for a real surprise. A 250,000 BTU barn heater works great if you are standing next to it! Bob ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:15 AM PST US From: Gary Childers Subject: RV-List: 0-320 E2D $10,500 --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Childers 0-320-E2D For Sale $10,500 removing from my 68 Cessna Cardinal for HP upgrade. 3,000 TT, 1056 SMOH, 560 STOH, new cam, main and rod bearings, and oil pump gears 130 hrs ago for oil pump repair. includes vacuume pump, starter and alternator, price is outright NO core. Contact cowboy286@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Ryton sumps From: "BPA" --> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" Because the Ryton sump is the non metal. All others, at least that I know about, are either aluminum or magnesium mostly. When an engine backfires, there is a flame front. Continuing to crank the engine puts the flame out. Except of course with the Ryton sump. Allen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAS Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:56 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Ryton sumps --> RV-List message posted by: "RAS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "BPA" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Ryton sumps > --> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" > > Regardless of what type of ignition source you have, or, which sump you snip Allen, so why then don't any other sumps give the same problem as the Ryton? regardless of make as you said in your post. The method of using the electric boost pump is described method by Lycoming to start their injected series of engines. I'm somewhat confused by your post. MJR ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:09 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com Tell 'em about your parachute trick, Bob ;-) And be advised Stormy's fly-in is June 24th this year, and the LWB gang is all invited for lunch. -Bill B -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sent: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:56:55 -0500 Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: Bob >Don't know what a T-Hanger size is, but built it a little bigger then = >what you need whilst at it. You will never have to much room. Except when you are trying to heat or cool it. In July and August it is way too hot to work in, and then in Jan and Feb it is way to cold to work in. If you have never tried heating a 50' X 50' uninsulated metal building then you are in for a real surprise. A 250,000 BTU barn heater works great if you are standing next to it! Bob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:14 AM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Ryton:Sniffle Valve --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com ... and be sure to test that sniffle valve before install. My first one from Superior leaked air in the "closed" position. Jerry Cochran In a message dated 5/18/2006 12:04:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rv-list@matronics.com writes: Subject: RE: RV-List: Ryton sumps From: "BPA" --> RV-List message posted by: "BPA" Regardless of what type of ignition source you have, or, which sump you have be it a Ryton, ECI, Lycoming, or Happy Joes from Kokamoe, if the electric boost pump is used to prime the engine, you are getting fuel in the intake plenum, plane (only spelling I know :)and simple! That is the reason for the drain (sniffle valve). It is important that the sniffle valve be located in the LOWEST spot on the induction part of the system, with the plane at it's natural resting attitude. You have to realize that if the pump is turned on say for 5 seconds, you have to wait until you are confident that any excess fuel in the plenum has drained before you crank the engine. This is in my opinion the cause of the Ryton issue. Allen Barrett BPE, Inc -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karen and Robert Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Ryton sumps ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:07 PM PST US From: Gary Childers Subject: RV-List: 0-320-E2D $10,500 --> RV-List message posted by: Gary Childers 0-320 E2D $10,500 Forgot to list mags and carb are also with it. Will be complete with mags, carb, starter, alternator, and Vac Pump cowboy286@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related From: "Chuck Jensen" --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" Bob, That's why they make radiant heaters. Heat only the object(s) you're aiming at, not the 'hole dern building. Chuck Jensen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:57 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > > > >Don't know what a T-Hanger size is, but built it a little bigger then = > >what you need whilst at it. You will never have to much room. > > Except when you are trying to heat or cool it. In July and August it is > way too hot to work in, and then in Jan and Feb it is way to cold to work > in. If you have never tried heating a 50' X 50' uninsulated metal > building > then you are in for a real surprise. A 250,000 BTU barn heater works > great > if you are standing next to it! > > Bob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:59 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" There is a common theme running in the answers here, so will add some additional info for my case. I am building an attached shop about 32 X 50 with 12' ceiling and an auto lift. I have this exact shop at my current home and it is perfect. I have storage around the top 5' or so and 4' out from the walls everywhere except the lift bay. The hangar will house only my airplane, maybe some overflow storage, and if room, our travel trailer. Should fit nicely with the RV-6. My real concern was building it big enough to be sellable as a hangar to someone with a typical certified plane. Question is, what might that all include. I could go to extreme and size it for a mid size twin; but is that really practical? Does 42' with a 40' clear opening door provide enough for most airplanes? Is 36' deep enough for most? I am sure I will go 12' clear height inside and through the door. This is why I was kinda thinking of the T-hangar sizes. Are they sized to accomodate most typical planes? Of course, my hangar will be rectangle (not T) as I have no need to waste the corners and build more corners. Heating and cooling could be an issue as I am talking about East Texas. But most of my work would be done in my shop unless it is work on the plane. Any rate, that has given me lots of interesting and usefull information. Thanks a bunch. I will make it big enough to push visiting RV's in with mine and hopefully a typical certified will fit *If* I ever sell. I will be on a lake with great fishing AND a runway. How cool is that? Tim Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:49 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Info --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Tim, Your planned 40' wide, 12' high opening will work for most GA single's, = unless it is a motorglider with long high aspect ratio wings. And 36' = deep is more then adequate for the average airplane as well! Note: When I built my hangar at an airfield with a lot of soaring = activity, I decided to make the door wide enough to easily accommodate a = 15m sailplane. It ended up being a 52' door. On height I chose the max. = the frame would allow, so I ended up with a 17' door to give me an = absolute maximum opening of 15'. However, I have the upper stop set at = ~13' for non emergency day-2-day operation. Now that is a way bigger = opening then I ever thought I would use. Then along comes this soaring enthusiast with a 55' glider and wants to = rent some space. Guess what, he had to move it in and out on a dolly = (sideways), as the door was not wide enough for his bird !!! Then a Schweizer Ag-Cat Crop-Duster had a propstrike that required = engine teardown. Guess what, I've never seen an airplane that tall going = through my door until then. You never know what tomorrow will bring. I = would build it again as big as money would allow. You can always rent = out space... (if you have it!) PS: How many RV's will you be able to house there on that fishing = weekend a few guys and I are planning .... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bryan To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" = There is a common theme running in the answers here, so will add some additional info for my case. I am building an attached shop about 32 = X 50 with 12' ceiling and an auto lift. I have this exact shop at my = current home and it is perfect. I have storage around the top 5' or so and 4' = out from the walls everywhere except the lift bay. The hangar will house = only my airplane, maybe some overflow storage, and if room, our travel = trailer. Should fit nicely with the RV-6. My real concern was building it big = enough to be sellable as a hangar to someone with a typical certified plane. Question is, what might that all include. I could go to extreme and = size it for a mid size twin; but is that really practical? Does 42' with a 40' clear opening door provide enough for most = airplanes? Is 36' deep enough for most? I am sure I will go 12' clear height = inside and through the door. This is why I was kinda thinking of the = T-hangar sizes. Are they sized to accomodate most typical planes? Of course, = my hangar will be rectangle (not T) as I have no need to waste the = corners and build more corners. Heating and cooling could be an issue as I am talking about East = Texas. But most of my work would be done in my shop unless it is work on the = plane. Any rate, that has given me lots of interesting and usefull = information. Thanks a bunch. I will make it big enough to push visiting RV's in = with mine and hopefully a typical certified will fit *If* I ever sell. I = will be on a lake with great fishing AND a runway. How cool is that? Tim Do Not Archive = = = = = = = = -- No virus found in this incoming message. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: = 5/17/2006 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:29 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Hangar Info --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Very good point. Check out the wing span of a DA-40, as well. They are 44 feet, if I have that correct. Not going to work with my 42 foot hanger. Also, keep in mind that the door frame often sticks out a foot on either side, so the actual door opening can be 2 feet smaller than the box itself. John Jessen 40328 (Tailcone) do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Info --> RV-List message posted by: "Konrad L. Werner" Tim, Your planned 40' wide, 12' high opening will work for most GA single's, = unless it is a motorglider with long high aspect ratio wings. And 36' = deep is more then adequate for the average airplane as well! Note: When I built my hangar at an airfield with a lot of soaring = activity, I decided to make the door wide enough to easily accommodate a = 15m sailplane. It ended up being a 52' door. On height I chose the max. = the frame would allow, so I ended up with a 17' door to give me an = absolute maximum opening of 15'. However, I have the upper stop set at = ~13' for non emergency day-2-day operation. Now that is a way bigger = opening then I ever thought I would use. Then along comes this soaring enthusiast with a 55' glider and wants to = rent some space. Guess what, he had to move it in and out on a dolly = (sideways), as the door was not wide enough for his bird !!! Then a Schweizer Ag-Cat Crop-Duster had a propstrike that required = engine teardown. Guess what, I've never seen an airplane that tall going = through my door until then. You never know what tomorrow will bring. I = would build it again as big as money would allow. You can always rent = out space... (if you have it!) PS: How many RV's will you be able to house there on that fishing = weekend a few guys and I are planning .... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bryan To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" = There is a common theme running in the answers here, so will add some additional info for my case. I am building an attached shop about 32 = X 50 with 12' ceiling and an auto lift. I have this exact shop at my = current home and it is perfect. I have storage around the top 5' or so and 4' = out from the walls everywhere except the lift bay. The hangar will house = only my airplane, maybe some overflow storage, and if room, our travel = trailer. Should fit nicely with the RV-6. My real concern was building it big = enough to be sellable as a hangar to someone with a typical certified plane. Question is, what might that all include. I could go to extreme and = size it for a mid size twin; but is that really practical? Does 42' with a 40' clear opening door provide enough for most = airplanes? Is 36' deep enough for most? I am sure I will go 12' clear height = inside and through the door. This is why I was kinda thinking of the = T-hangar sizes. Are they sized to accomodate most typical planes? Of course, = my hangar will be rectangle (not T) as I have no need to waste the = corners and build more corners. Heating and cooling could be an issue as I am talking about East = Texas. But most of my work would be done in my shop unless it is work on the = plane. Any rate, that has given me lots of interesting and usefull = information. Thanks a bunch. I will make it big enough to push visiting RV's in = with mine and hopefully a typical certified will fit *If* I ever sell. I = will be on a lake with great fishing AND a runway. How cool is that? Tim Do Not Archive = = = = = = = = -- No virus found in this incoming message. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: = 5/17/2006 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:29 PM PST US From: "John D.Heath" Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: "John D.Heath" You might want to consider Spray-On Insulation like this link displays. http://www.spray-on.com/default1.asp John D. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:55 PM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with for my RV 4. Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:46 PM PST US From: "Mike Kraus" Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" I don't know if this is considered light weight, but I have a Bruce's Custom Cover for my RV-4 and love it. -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 Fuselage -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PGLong@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with for my RV 4. Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:41 PM PST US From: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net> Richard Seiders wrote: >. . .ours is 3000sft. 50 wide 60 deep. Holds 3 rv's comfortably, but could do 4 with a little care. > > Oh come on, you can fit 5 in there easy :) http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout01.gif http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout02.gif Or even 6 if you try hard :) http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout03.gif Not sure how accurate The plane drawing is, I just traced over the three view bit map image from Vans website, then scaled it so the wing span was 25 feet. After that, I had to tweak the tail wheel location about 2 inches to get it to 20' 4" long. do not archive -- Chris W KE5GIX Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want One stop wish list for any gift, from anywhere, for any occasion! http://thewishzone.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:18 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Tim, This is the answer to your question and a whole lot more... Looking for a Beautiful Custom Home with an Awesome Hanger? Here's a deal for you! (4) Bedrooms, (2.5) Baths (3) Car Garage (1) 40x50 Hanger(HUGE) Beautiful Rock (Native White Limestone) home with approximately 2580 SQ Feet of total custom home living. This home is a Texas Ranch Style with a large limestone fireplace and a metal roof which also covers large front and back porches. The kitchen has lovely cabinets, granite counter tops, tile floors and more... The home sits on an approxiamate .82 acre corner lot and has a fenced backyard. The Hanger is fully insulated, includes a 40 X 11 Hydro- swing door which opens to a 50x65 cement apron with taxiway Bravo cul-de-sac at your rear property line. This is a Private and Gated Airpark Community. The air strip has beautiful grass and measures 2500 x 150 with runway and taxiway lights. Restrictions state YOU MUST BE A LICENSED PILOT TO PURCHASE IN THIS COMMUNITY. For More information email: lifeofreiley@austin.rr.com Offered at $395,000.00 - This home will not last at this price! "Do Not Archive" Darrell Reiley RV7A "Reiley Rocket" N622DR Reserved --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:22 PM PST US From: "Tony Marshall" Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" http://kennoncovers.com These guys made a cover for my RV6 and it is great....and they were great to work with. tony marshall rv6 polson, mt ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover > --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with for my RV 4. > Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? > > Pat Long > PGLong@aol.com > N120PL > RV4 > Bay City, Michigan > 3CM > > Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:10 PM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Hi Pat, I have a canopy cover for my -6A that I bought from Van's. It is very light weight and is more suitable for occasional use such as traelling. I would want something heaver for continuous use if my plane were tied down all the time. I am very happy with mine for my limited outdoor use. Regards, Richard Dudley PGLong@aol.com wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > >I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with for my RV 4. >Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? > >Pat Long >PGLong@aol.com >N120PL >RV4 >Bay City, Michigan >3CM > >Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:50 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" As long as we are on the subject, any structural engineer types out = there that could give me some off list advice? I am modifying the end = wall of an existing steel building to accommodate a hanger door and want = to run my plan by someone to make sure I won't have any problems. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com = [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris W Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net> Richard Seiders wrote: >. . .ours is 3000sft. 50 wide 60 deep. Holds 3 rv's comfortably, but = could do 4 with a little care. > > Oh come on, you can fit 5 in there easy :) http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout01.gif http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout02.gif Or even 6 if you try hard :) http://www.thewishzone.com/aviation/RV-7HangarLayout03.gif Not sure how accurate The plane drawing is, I just traced over the = three view bit map image from Vans website, then scaled it so the wing = span was 25 feet. After that, I had to tweak the tail wheel location = about 2 inches to get it to 20' 4" long. do not archive -- Chris W KE5GIX Gift Giving Made Easy Get the gifts you want & give the gifts they want One stop wish list for any gift, from anywhere, for any occasion! http://thewishzone.com = = = = ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info From: Jack Haviland --> RV-List message posted by: Jack Haviland > I was kinda thinking of the T-hangar > sizes. Are they sized to accomodate most typical planes? Tim, A "typical" commercially built T-hangar intended for factory built single engine aircraft is on the order 35' deep with a clear door opening 42' wide and 12' high. Some or all of the major metal hangar building companies have charts listing the height, width and depth of a wide variety of aircraft. Check their websites e.g. FullFab and Erect-a-Tube. Jack ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:16 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Michael, I'm an architect, not a structural engineer, but a couple of things to consider: First, it depends a lot on location. If you are in earthquake or wind country, it would be important to have a structural engineer have a look. A hangar door wipes out most of the structure typically for almost the entire wall, so the lateral load resistance of that wall is greatly reduced. If the roof is supported by this wall, you may also have gravity load problems. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Hangar question - Not RV related --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" As long as we are on the subject, any structural engineer types out = there that could give me some off list advice? I am modifying the end = wall of an existing steel building to accommodate a hanger door and want = to run my plan by someone to make sure I won't have any problems. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage Do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:26 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Hangar Question - More Info --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England John D.Heath wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "John D.Heath" > >You might want to consider Spray-On Insulation like this link displays. >http://www.spray-on.com/default1.asp > >John D. > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > The spray-on cellulose stuff is wonderful in a well sealed, closed building. Superb thermal and sound insulation. But for a hangar or shop that has the potential to be open a lot & has the potential for water entry, maybe not so good. If the roof leaks at all, big chunks fall off. If any rodents find their way into the building, lots of little chunks get pulled off. If birds get in the building, again lots of little chunks come off. If you use it on the walls, varying size chunks come off as you bump things into it. Covering it with an interior wall/ceiling would solve the bird/rodent/physical abuse issues, for significant added expense. Covering it with hard walls/ceiling negates its really nice acoustic properties (will still do a good job of blocking inside/outside transfer of sounds). Charlie ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:55 PM PST US From: "Heinrich Gerhardt" Subject: RV-List: wing walk anti-slip --> RV-List message posted by: "Heinrich Gerhardt" Has anyone ever tried to use 3M rocker panel spray rock chip guard like this: http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?6666660Zjcf6lVs6EVs66STLKCO rrrrQ- for wing walk anti-slip? You'd have to use it between primer and top coat, so it isn't something you can add after the plane is painted. This is the same stuff that European cars have used for years on their rockers and lower fenders for rock chip protection. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 PM PST US From: "Chopper 2" Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper 2" > I bought one from Van's for the -4 and then got one for the -3 as well -- > they are perfect for traveling. Grey in color - fit exact and lightweight > nylon (I think) with a carry bag total weight is about 3lbs. About $150 I > believe. Mike Kellems > > --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with for my RV 4. > Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? > > Pat Long > PGLong@aol.com > N120PL > RV4 > Bay City, Michigan > 3CM > > Do Not Archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/2006 > > -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/2006 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: wing walk anti-slip --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" We used urethane bed liner material from the body shop that was tintable to any color. It can be color matched to any factory formula color. We actually removed the old paint on aggregate type and messed the paint up underneath. Then I masked off and scuffed the area, rolled on some bedliner and walahhh....Was tough as nails and wasn't topcoated with paint to chip off. Actually I used this stuff on the sillplates and on the canopy. Wherever ther was going to be a fair amount of wear and tear.... steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Heinrich Gerhardt Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RV-List: wing walk anti-slip --> RV-List message posted by: "Heinrich Gerhardt" Has anyone ever tried to use 3M rocker panel spray rock chip guard like this: http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?6666660Zjcf6lVs6EVs66STLKCO rrrrQ- for wing walk anti-slip? You'd have to use it between primer and top coat, so it isn't something you can add after the plane is painted. This is the same stuff that European cars have used for years on their rockers and lower fenders for rock chip protection. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/2006 -- Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/2006 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:22 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy cover --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" I also have Van's cover on the RV-8. I consider it perfect for the occasional use during overnight trips. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chopper 2 [mailto:mkellems@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:54 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy cover > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper 2" > > > I bought one from Van's for the -4 and then got one for the > -3 as well > > -- they are perfect for traveling. Grey in color - fit exact and > > lightweight nylon (I think) with a carry bag total weight is about > > 3lbs. About $150 I believe. Mike Kellems > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: PGLong@aol.com > > > > I want to get a light weight canopy cover to travel with > for my RV 4. > > Anyone have a favorite one that they would recommend? > > > > Pat Long > > PGLong@aol.com > > N120PL > > RV4 > > Bay City, Michigan > > 3CM ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:15 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: wing walk anti-slip --> RV-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com In a message dated 05/18/2006 8:34:03 PM Central Daylight Time, hgerhardt@earthlink.net writes: wing walk anti-slip? Just as a suggestion, here's what I did on my plane and it has really worked out nicely- 1 year and 4 months since application and it still looks & works great- http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5276 Thanks, George- good tip! >From The PossumWorks in TN Mark ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:51 PM PST US From: WPAerial@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List:make ur cover --> RV-List message posted by: WPAerial@aol.com You built an air plane, why not sew one up yourself. I made mine out of a car cover I bought. light weight and than bought gas with the savings. do not archive