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1. 04:49 AM - Looking For Airport Home - Columbia, SC (Snow, Daniel A.)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Looking For Airport Home - Columbia, SC (James Clark)
3. 05:58 AM - Helicopter Pilots (Mark & Lisa)
4. 06:00 AM - Heavy Wing Experiment (DAVID REEL)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: epanelbuilder (Bill VonDane)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Low-level river flying (kitfoxmike)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: Helicopter Pilots (Paul Besing)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: Low-level river flying (bdjones1965)
9. 08:04 AM - Re: epanelbuilder (Paul Besing)
10. 08:20 AM - Wires (Paul Besing)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Alaskan flight (Darrell Reiley)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Low-level river flying (kitfoxmike)
13. 08:43 AM - Re: Low-level river flying (steveadams)
14. 08:46 AM - Re: Helicopter Pilots (James H Nelson)
15. 08:50 AM - Re: Low-level river flying (John)
16. 08:55 AM - Andair Fuel Selector For Sale (DanBish)
17. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Low-level river flying (Fly n Low)
18. 09:45 AM - Re: Helicopter Pilots (Paul Besing)
19. 10:34 AM - Re: Low RPM Harmful Re: Engine Life ()
20. 12:08 PM - low speed low alt (Wheeler North)
21. 04:04 PM - Tank Plumbing (MLWynn@aol.com)
22. 04:38 PM - Re: Tank Plumbing (Dan Checkoway)
23. 06:24 PM - Bolt torque for prop extension (Michael)
24. 07:31 PM - RV Builder's Hotline - May 25, 2006 (Bob Collins)
25. 09:07 PM - RV Builder's Hotline - Thanks Bob (Ron Lee)
26. 09:40 PM - george goff (sarg314)
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| Subject: | Looking For Airport Home - Columbia, SC |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com>
My wife and I are moving to the Columbia, SC area in July and would like to buy
a house near an airport or grass strip. Does anyone have any suggestions or
leads? We would prefer to live on the northwest side of town. We've already
been looking at Whiteplains Plantation, but it looks like prices in that residential
airpark have soared in the last few years.
Thanks for any ideas.
Daniel Snow
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For Airport Home - Columbia, SC |
--> RV-List message posted by: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
Yes prices have gone up over time at Whiteplains. Probably in part due to
the fact that it is almost full now.
There is no (known) airpark on the NW (Lake area) part of town. I live in
that area an wish there was one. :-)
Whiteplains is the closest airpark. There is one to the south called
"Do-Little Field". It is a grass strip and is a bit farther away.
Good luck in your move! Keep in touch with us at EAA242.
James
On 5/25/06, Snow, Daniel A. <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com> wrote:
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com>
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> My wife and I are moving to the Columbia, SC area in July and would like
> to buy a house near an airport or grass strip. Does anyone have any
> suggestions or leads? We would prefer to live on the northwest side of
> town. We've already been looking at Whiteplains Plantation, but it looks
> like prices in that residential airpark have soared in the last few years=
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> Thanks for any ideas.
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> Daniel Snow
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| Subject: | Helicopter Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Shouldn't you have said, "Helicopters we don't have to worry about his
though... whopwhopwhopwhopwhopwhop...?"
Paul Besing said:
> Helicopters we don't have to worry about this
> though...nanananananana...
Mark Sletten
Legacy FG N828LM
http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Heavy Wing Experiment |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I tried eliminating my heavy left wing by increasing the angle of incidence
of the left wingtip. The theory was advanced by Scott Risan that a change
out at the tip has lots of leverage to affect roll trim. This contradicted
a theory advanced by Gus Funnel that wingtips contribute nothing to lift so
changes will not affect roll trim. Anyway, I went ahead and split the
trailing edge of the wingtip and drilled out the rivets holding the aft
wingtip rib in place. Then I flexed the now limp trailing edge 1/2" further
down. Happily thinking this would solve my problem, maybe even be way too
much, I removed the aileron trim tab I had been using to avoid large roll
corrections opposite to my original problem, secured everything with duct
tape and a couple of rivets & went flying. Bottom line: No change. Gus
wins.
Dave Reel - RV8A now having it's aileron trailing edge squeezed.
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| Subject: | Re: epanelbuilder |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Tom...
The ePanel Builder does not output CAD or coordinates at all... As you
said, Panel Planner does not do this very well because in general it is a
very hard thing to do automatically...
The difference with the ePanel Builder is that once you have figured out the
final design you really want, you work with one of our partners to get your
CAD work done. This way there is a human involved in the final layout and
CAD work and you can be absolutely sure it is right... The ePanel Builder
has a collaboration tool that allows you and the CAD guy to work on the
panel online...together...at the same time to ensure you both know exactly
what the final product should be... Furthermore you can take it to the next
level and have your panel build for using the same collaboration tools...
The goal was to try to illuminate the errors and problems associated with
the Panel Planner, and the only way I see to do that is put a human back
into the mix... If you use ePanel Builder to design your panel and then one
of our partners to either have your CAD work done, or your panel built for
you, you can be sure it will be exactly what you want...
By the way, I am working on getting all of the pricing updated on all the
products in the next couple of weeks...
-Bill VonDane
www.epanelbuilder.com
www.creativair.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:06 PM
Subject: RV-List: epanelbuilder
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I have been using Panel Planner and have not been happy with it. It has
a lot of trouble with drawing text strings correctly and in the right
place. It probably reflects my particular experience with computer cad
software, but I also don't much like the user interface either.
epanelbuilder looks interesting since it claims to be cross paltform
compatible: I could use it with my Linux system and could thus stop
using the acursed Windows, as panel planner is the only thing I ever use
Windows for anyway.
So.... Can any one advise me if epanelplanner actually works? Is it
quirky? Can I get a useful output form from it (like autocad or some
such)? Can I get printouts of x-y coordinates of things? Does it mangle
text?
Thanks,
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Gummi,
So true, I responded so fast that I left out the need to maintain va and above
on turns. When I went through a mountain flying seminar and did the flight instruction
I got the fella that had over 20,000 hrs. way cool, we did all kinds
of stuff in the mountains, one of which was to try a high speed turn and a turn
at va. Really inlightening, we were in a small area and it was very appearent
that the high speed turn was not going to make it.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36373#36373
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| Subject: | Re: Helicopter Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Yeah really...or it should be the same statement, but
with a constant tapping of your throat with your hand
while saying it...
Luckily the helicopters I fly are MUCH smoother and
don't have much of a whomp whomp (at least when
everything is working right :0)
do not archive
Paul Besing
--- Mark & Lisa <marknlisa@hometel.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark & Lisa"
> <marknlisa@hometel.com>
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> Shouldn't you have said, "Helicopters we don't have
> to worry about his
> though... whopwhopwhopwhopwhopwhop...?"
>
> Paul Besing said:
>
> > Helicopters we don't have to worry about this
> > though...nanananananana...
>
> Mark Sletten
> Legacy FG N828LM
> http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "bdjones1965" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Now this is flying!! Quite a few bayous and a few rivers in my part of the country
that work nicely for this type of flying. As for speed, slow is not what
you want when flying like this. Too fast reduces reaction time. Too slow, the
maneuverability is reduced and proximity to stall too close. 120-140 mph depending
on the nature of the turns.
Reminds me of an old Cub flying expression. Accidents experience while flying
slow will only barely kill you.
Please hold the warnings. I know the FARs, I know my plane and I know the geography.
I also know power lines are strung across, sometimes not easily seen.
I never fly down a river or bayou cold. I know the area and where the obstacles
are. If boats or people are on present, I'll pull up well clear.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36378#36378
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| Subject: | Re: epanelbuilder |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Agreed, Bill. When I did both of my panels, Steve
Davis cut them for me, and I had Panel Planner the
first time around. He flat out told me to not send
him the CAD files, because they would have to be re
worked anyway.
A screen shot or printout from epanelbuilder should be
all that is needed for a competent panel cutter to do
the job...they have most of the databases of the
instrument demensions already, so it's just a matter
of taking the instruments you selected out of their
library of instruments and getting them placed
correctly. (Ok, not that simple, but you get the
idea)
Anyway, I wouldn't trust any program to output a CAD
file to cut a nice piece of metal without some sort of
human interface...too many variables there. Just have
them build it from the layout tool which epanelbuilder
was designed to do.
For those of you that would like to see my new panel
cut by Steve Davis, go to www.mykitlog.com/pbesing and
click on the panel cutting.
Paul Besing
--- Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane"
> <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Tom...
>
> The ePanel Builder does not output CAD or
> coordinates at all... As you
> said, Panel Planner does not do this very well
> because in general it is a
> very hard thing to do automatically...
>
> The difference with the ePanel Builder is that once
> you have figured out the
> final design you really want, you work with one of
> our partners to get your
> CAD work done. This way there is a human involved
> in the final layout and
> CAD work and you can be absolutely sure it is
> right... The ePanel Builder
> has a collaboration tool that allows you and the CAD
> guy to work on the
> panel online...together...at the same time to ensure
> you both know exactly
> what the final product should be... Furthermore you
> can take it to the next
> level and have your panel build for using the same
> collaboration tools...
>
> The goal was to try to illuminate the errors and
> problems associated with
> the Panel Planner, and the only way I see to do that
> is put a human back
> into the mix... If you use ePanel Builder to design
> your panel and then one
> of our partners to either have your CAD work done,
> or your panel built for
> you, you can be sure it will be exactly what you
> want...
>
> By the way, I am working on getting all of the
> pricing updated on all the
> products in the next couple of weeks...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> www.epanelbuilder.com
> www.creativair.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:06 PM
> Subject: RV-List: epanelbuilder
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314
> <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
> I have been using Panel Planner and have not been
> happy with it. It has
> a lot of trouble with drawing text strings correctly
> and in the right
> place. It probably reflects my particular
> experience with computer cad
> software, but I also don't much like the user
> interface either.
>
> epanelbuilder looks interesting since it claims to
> be cross paltform
> compatible: I could use it with my Linux system and
> could thus stop
> using the acursed Windows, as panel planner is the
> only thing I ever use
> Windows for anyway.
>
> So.... Can any one advise me if epanelplanner
> actually works? Is it
> quirky? Can I get a useful output form from it
> (like autocad or some
> such)? Can I get printouts of x-y coordinates of
> things? Does it mangle
> text?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
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> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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> Admin.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Ahh..thanks for mentioning power lines, Bob...a helo
pilot's worst nightmare, literally. I've had dreams
at night where I'm underneath a whole network of wires
and can't get out! Wake up in a cold sweat realizing
it was just a dream.
Yes, wires, wires, wires. I didn't mention it because
I take it for granted because I am ALWAYS looking for
them. Heck, we call out wires when they are passing
below us by 500 feet. If you don't look for them all
the time, sometimes they are hard to spot, depending
on the angle that you are to them. I have flown
through some canyons that had wires stretched
accrossed them. I knew they were there, but couldn't
see them until I got just about on top of them.
The more I think of this thread, I think that it would
be a shame for someone to think, "Hey, this low level
flight sounds cool". Yes, it is really cool. But
very dangerous if you aren't completely situationally
aware. I do it alot...in the day and at night, with a
little green picture strapped to one eye. And let me
tell you, I never get comfortable. As soon as I get
100% comfortable with that type of flying, that's when
I quit because my confidence level has exceeded my
abilities.
To re post what others have said...be careful out
there...this post could be a dangerous thing to some
people if not taken seriously.
And one other thing...the 500 foot thing...don't
forget there is an FAA catch all that is mentioned
just before the 500 foot thing..."Anywere that a power
unit were to fail that you could make a safe landing
without due hazard to persons or propety on the
surface". That's a blanket statement, and could mean
5,000 feet. If your engine quits, and you land into a
fence, the FAA can get you for this catch all, even if
you were 500 feet from any structure.
Paul Besing
--- Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>
> One more point to consider about power lines. They
> are "Structures" so
> legally you have to be 500 feet from them.
> I love the low flying and as a Highway Patrol Pilot
> in the California pilot
> I have done a lot of it. As stated above - you can
> go under the power lines
> , BUT learn under the high part of the span . > I
> didn't say that !!!
>
> Bob Olds
> RV-4 , N1191X
> Charleston, Arkansas
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| Subject: | Re: Alaskan flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Charlie,
I did some flying in Alaska last July. Perfect time of the year and the weather was awesome. Call the airport in Moose Pass http://www.scenicmountainair.com/ they will send you some good information. I flew a PA 18 Super Cub on Floats off the lake in Moose Pass. We did a lot of Glazier flying and some wild life area flight. It was really hard to leave the place!
Darrell
Charles Kaluza <charleskaluza@verizon.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Kaluza"
My wife and I are planning a trip to Alaska in our RV 6A, from Portland =
OR, for the last two weeks of June.
Anyone interested in teaming up for the flight?
Any advice?
I found the Alaska Logbook to be a good read.
Do not archive
Thanks
Charlie Kaluza
charleskaluza@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
always keep a safe margine, all this has made me think and come to think about
it, most of this flying and meneuvering is covered in private pilot training,
at least it was for me. ground reference meneuvers and steep turns, etc. Most
of the low flying is just the same but closer to the ground and next to trees.
My advice is if you can't maintain exactly the altitude you are flying or
can't do ground reference meneuvers than grab an instructor and go fly. If we
are strickly talking rv's here and you have been not flying while building your
machine, and your moving from a cessna to the rv, my advice is get some instruction
in an rv before flying the rv at any altitude or circumstance.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I have no desire for that type of flight. I'm sure it is a rush, but I equate it
with the guys going down the freeway on their crotch rockets at 90 mph doing
wheelies. It's a thrill until one mistake or something unexpected happens and
you're pretty much dead. To each his own, but my life is worth more than a cheap
thrill.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36387#36387
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| Subject: | Re: Helicopter Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Rotor heads always say nanananana! Much grins low leveling in a
chopper, just takes a good visual recon all the way down to flight level
10'. Skids in the trees-----
Jim Nelson
(CW4 rotor head retired)
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John" <joplin1@charter.net>
This has been a great review on Maximum Performance Flying. Top =
performers like Bob Hoover nibble at the edges of the envelope so often =
that if becomes second nature. But you need to be perfectly coordinated =
as you approach that critical AOA (i.e. no skid or slip), or the =
airplane will bite you in the butt and snap roll ... not a good outcome =
close to the ground. The rate at which you apply back pressure on the =
stick is just as important. Too quick and you will tend to overshoot =
that optimum AOA. Too slow and your turn radius will increase.
Back to that terrific video. We all love to get down in the weeds, but =
it's a roll of the dice. You won't see wires and you won't see ducks =
coming around the bend in time to avoid them! The Koreans and =
Vietnamese put juicy targets down in narrow canyons. A friend of mine =
hit a cable dead center with an F-80 but was able to limp home. It =
ripped back through the gun bay and thankfully snapped before it reached =
his cockpit. If he had been turning, it would have grabbed a wing. If =
he had been a foot lower, it would have taken off his head and vertical =
stab.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Gummo=20
To: rv-list@matronics.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Low-level river flying
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
I hate too but I have to disagree but slow is not the way to decrease =
your=20
turn radius. As an Air to Air and Air to Ground Instructor (F-4G) in =
the=20
military, there is a magic speed for turning your aircraft. We called =
it=20
"corner velocity" or Va (I am not very good with V speeds in the =
military we=20
used names for the various speeds). It is the min speed that you can =
pull=20
the max G. Therefore, as you increase your speed from the stall speed =
toward the Va speed several things happen: your available G INCREASES, =
your=20
rate of turn (degrees/sec) INCREASES, your stall margin INCREASES and =
your=20
turn radius DECREASES. Now this only works if you use ALL the =
AVAILABLE G.=20
Here is where AOA indicator helps alot. For my plane with a 60 Knot=20
Indicated Stall speed (no flap at gross weight),
my corner velocity is 147 knots indicated at 6 G's. (NOTE: all speeds =
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indicated, not true)
I have equations and tables but my email program won't put them into a =
message for the RV-List.
So email me directly and I will send you a word doc attachment with =
the=20
info.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
USAF, Major Retired
F-4G Instructor Pilot
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Selector For Sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DanBish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Hi All,
Sorry to butt in.... but I've got an Andair fuel selector up for auction on eBay
for anyone that's interested - model #FS20x5-F. It's a 3-valve version for 3/8"
tubing, with 1/4"npt female inputs. Brand new, never used. Details on site.
I've got to order one that will fit in the smaller console of the Europa I'm
building. I'm told this one is just right for an RV or similar build. They go
for $220 and the current bid price is $96.
Just put the auction number, 4643331420, in the search field and it'll take you
right there.
Thanks,
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36394#36394
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| Subject: | Re: Low-level river flying |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Fly n Low" <flynlow@usaviator.net>
I have two comments on Helicopters.
First: They don't really fly, they are just so ugly that the earth repulses
them! :}
Now before you all go nuts, that was just a joke!
Second: The most beautiful sound I ever heard was Whomp whomp whomp back in
1971 during a fire fight near an LZ. I will never know his name, but the man
and his crew had more guts than anyone I have ever seen. Pulling guys out
day after day.... God bless you where ever you are......
Bud Silvers
RV-8 Finishing.
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Low-level river flying
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Good point, Gummi...also we need to think about load
factor and stall speed...60 degree bank = 2 X Load
Factor = raised stall speed.
So, if someone were to be flying the slow envelope as
previously mentioned, then yanked a 60 degree turn,
there could be a surprise..low altitude, turning
stall, steep bank, no thanks...I'll take the speed.
Helicopters we don't have to worry about this
though...nanananananana...
Paul Besing
--- Tom Gummo <T.gummo@verizon.net> wrote:
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> <T.gummo@verizon.net>
>
> I hate too but I have to disagree but slow is not
> the way to decrease your
> turn radius. As an Air to Air and Air to Ground
> Instructor (F-4G) in the
> military, there is a magic speed for turning your
> aircraft. We called it
> "corner velocity" or Va (I am not very good with V
> speeds in the military we
> used names for the various speeds). It is the min
> speed that you can pull
> the max G. Therefore, as you increase your speed
> from the stall speed
> toward the Va speed several things happen: your
> available G INCREASES, your
> rate of turn (degrees/sec) INCREASES, your stall
> margin INCREASES and your
> turn radius DECREASES. Now this only works if you
> use ALL the AVAILABLE G.
> Here is where AOA indicator helps alot. For my
> plane with a 60 Knot
> Indicated Stall speed (no flap at gross weight),
> my corner velocity is 147 knots indicated at 6 G's.
> (NOTE: all speeds are
> indicated, not true)
>
> I have equations and tables but my email program
> won't put them into a
> message for the RV-List.
> So email me directly and I will send you a word doc
> attachment with the
> info.
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Wild Weasel #1573
> USAF, Major Retired
> F-4G Instructor Pilot
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> do not archive
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
> t.gummo@verizon.net
>
>
> > very good info. To add just a bit, I would
> suggest doing a mountain
> > flying seminar. Golden rule when doing this kind
> of flying is slow down,
> > way down, your turn radius is shorted on slow
> flight and raised as you go
> > faster, hence the statement low and slow. flying
> low opens up a new
> > world. I myself call anything over 1000agl nose
> bleed altitude. One last
> > note, I will not go down close to the ground if
> there is turbulance below
> > 1000 ft agl and if the winds are up any. Also if
> you are the person that
> > has to watch your guages when landing, think
> again, you don't know your
> > airplane. When you can land without any help from
> the guages and rely on
> > your own insticts than you can give it a try.
> Generally this is called
> > flying out the window.
> >
> > --------
> > kitfoxmike
> > kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> > http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
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| Subject: | Re: Helicopter Pilots |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Sorry, Jim...skids are for kids...
Paul Besing
CW2, US Army AH64D Rotor Head (with wheels)
do not archive this nonsense
--- James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson
> <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
> Rotor heads always say nanananana! Much grins low
> leveling in a
> chopper, just takes a good visual recon all the way
> down to flight level
> 10'. Skids in the trees-----
>
>
> Jim Nelson
> (CW4 rotor head retired)
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| Subject: | Re: Low RPM Harmful Re: Engine Life |
--> RV-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
Engine life if based on DIS-USE. Engines flown everyday, hard, medium or soft will
make TBO and have less maintenance issues. Engines that SIT collect dust and
RUST will not make TBO no matter how much you BABY IT. Don't baby your engine.
There are so so so many factors besides RPM that control the life of an engine.
I recommend the book by sacramento sky ranch, Lyc engineering manual. I
am not saying I fly at 2,700 rpm all day, in fact I throttle/prop back to 25 square
for climb. I have been told by many to leave it WOT full high RPM from take
off to climb and let the altitude take care of MAP. Its a habit to go 25"
and than maintain that with the throttle as long as possible. RPM wise 2,700 is
just more noise. HOWEVER if you are trying to get to altitude faster WOT & RPM
makes sense. Obviously for cruise if you have a C/S prop lower RPM is just
less noise and actually better efficiency from the props aerodynamic stand point
(more efficency).
Low RPM is NOT harmful if the Temps and Pressures are in the green, period. There
is a practical limit on how low you can go RPM wise and still make headway.
At altitude you may need the RPM to make power and airspeed. A side benifit
is lower RPM increases prop efficency, which means more of the HP your engine
makes gets turned into thrust. As far as low RPM and MAP that is a differnt
topic.........
Yes you can run OVER square. Just look at FAA APPROVED flight manuals for Lycoming
powered planes. You see plenty of over square power settings. Over square
is a throw back to some radial engines.
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=support/publications/keyReprints/operation/powerSettings.html
AND SECOND
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=support/publications/keyReprints/operation/oldWivesTales.html
(second old wives tail)
One caveat is this chart is 65% POWER. Keep it simple get a manual for your engine
and follow it. Using higher MAP and lower RPM has advantages.
I usually fly at altitude so M.P. is usually lower anyway. However when given
the opportunity of two combos of RPM/MAP which produce the same power, one being
OVER SQUARE. I'll pick over square.
Every time I take off I am over square, 2700/29".
Just give lycoming a call and they can reassure you. They have run engines on
test stands for 10's of thousands of hours like this.
There is no need to get with all up with the urban legend, rumor, fear and prejudice
about it. The data is out there.
Cheers George
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| Subject: | low speed low alt |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
The other major factor with low speed is Murphy.
That SOB will wait until you are flat out of energy before he turns your
engine off.
At all times you should be able to do a no engine pull up to 500 ft agl (or
whatever min you like) so you can see a spot to crash into. If the turns are
too tight to maintain this speed then don't go into the slot in that
section.
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: MLWynn@aol.com
Hi folks,
I am finishing up my fuel tanks and ran into a couple of questions. The
vent line comes out of the inboard rib with a 90 degree turn. Which way should
that angle face? I saw one picture on (Dan Checkaway's site?) that had it
facing forward and slightly down, paralleling the curvature of the leading
edge. I asked Van's and they were pretty vague. Thoughts? I am a little
unclear as to where that eventually gets attached.
Is anyone putting proseal along the course of the vent line where it passes
through the ribs? I couldn't see any overwhelming reason to do so, unless it
would reduce rattle or chaffing.
When you put the fittings connecting the vent tube, fuel pickup, etc
together, there are pictures of folks prosealing the outside. Do you also put
the
proseal in the threads as a thread lock? How tight does one make these
connections. I am not sure if there is a torque spec. If so, how do you measure
it? I would think just good and tight with proseal as a thread locker (and
safety-wired on the fuel pickup).
I am also finished with the leading edges and was thinking about riveting
them on. Any reason that I need to have the tanks completely done before I do
that?
Thanks in advance for the usual good advice.
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wings (tanks)
San Ramon, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Tank Plumbing |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> I am finishing up my fuel tanks and ran into a couple of questions. The
> vent line comes out of the inboard rib with a 90 degree turn. Which way
> should
> that angle face? I saw one picture on (Dan Checkaway's site?) that had
> it
> facing forward and slightly down, paralleling the curvature of the
> leading
> edge. I asked Van's and they were pretty vague. Thoughts? I am a
> little
> unclear as to where that eventually gets attached.
Use an angle that won't make it difficult to connect the thing. It's vague
because there's no hard and fast requirement for anything specific.
Literally, don't sweat it! As long as it's not pointed up at the flange of
the root rib & skin, you won't have an issue.
> Is anyone putting proseal along the course of the vent line where it
> passes
> through the ribs? I couldn't see any overwhelming reason to do so, unless
> it
> would reduce rattle or chaffing.
No, I didn't. If you ever needed to get the vent tube out for some reason,
you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. That said, I don't see any reason
why you'd need to get it out.
> When you put the fittings connecting the vent tube, fuel pickup, etc
> together, there are pictures of folks prosealing the outside. Do you also
> put the
> proseal in the threads as a thread lock? How tight does one make these
> connections. I am not sure if there is a torque spec. If so, how do you
> measure
> it? I would think just good and tight with proseal as a thread locker
> (and
> safety-wired on the fuel pickup).
I didn't use any proseal on any threads that I can recall. I did proseal
all over the bulkhead nuts on bulkhead fittings, and did make a fillet
around every pass-through where something passed through exterior surfaces.
Put it this way...now that the fuel tank SB has reared its can-o-worms head,
if you had completed a tank and had used proseal on the threads, you would
be HATIN' it. Just my 2 cents. It's bad enough (good enough?) with proseal
AROUND the fitting, let alone in the threads. Imho.
> I am also finished with the leading edges and was thinking about riveting
> them on. Any reason that I need to have the tanks completely done before
> I do
> that?
Not that I'm aware of.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (914 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Bolt torque for prop extension |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael" <cubflyr@comcast.net>
I had to replace my alternator belt after almost 1000 hours (it was still
good but how long do you trust a rubber tree?) and, of course, had to remove
the starter ring. For the life of me I can't find the torque for the bolts
that secure the prop extension spool to the engine. As I remember, it is
25ft/lb but would like to know for sure.
Thanks!!
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
967 hours; not enough......
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| Subject: | RV Builder's Hotline - May 25, 2006 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Hi there:
Pardon the interruption but I wanted to let folks know that because of
the three-day weekend, I finished up the RV Builder's Hotline this week,
published it and mailed it out. Unfortunately, I copied the wrong version (I
have two, one for the e-mail and one for the online version) into Outlook,
and included some script in there that shouldn't have gone in there. In most
cases, the e-mail client will simply not read it, in some cases, it'll
filter out the entire message because of it.
In any case, if you've subscribed to the Hotline (and if you haven't,
it's free), and you DIDN'T get this week's issue tonight, you may go to
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/, or contact me off-list and I'll
email it to you directly.
My apologies for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Oh, by the way, I can't recall if I let the RV-List know about the RV
Builders Family Reunion at OSH this year. But we'd love to have everyone
stop by for the BBQ. Details are at:
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/2006bbq.html. I'm hoping we can
get enough folks to make it enjoyable for all.
Bob Collins
RV Builder's Hotline
St. Paul, Minn.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | RV Builder's Hotline - Thanks Bob |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Bob,
I wanted to publically thank you for this publication. It obviously
takes you time to peruse multiple sources to put so much useful
info in one spot.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
There was a notice in the latest RV-ator about George Goff's RV-6A first
flight. He's in Missouri City, TX. Does any one know how I can contact
George? I want to ask him about his prop. He's never posted to the list,
apparently because I couldn't find him in the archives.
Thanks,
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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