---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/05/06: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:40 AM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Stephen J. Soule) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/04/06 (Tom Pilot) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Dale Ensing) 4. 08:22 AM - RV-10 Flight Training at Columbia, SC (CUB) in Sept (Patty Hamilton) 5. 10:03 AM - Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Gerry Filby) 6. 10:20 AM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Konrad L. Werner) 7. 10:27 AM - Dimpling Boo-boo (Folbrecht, Paul) 8. 10:39 AM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Ralph E. Capen) 9. 10:45 AM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Ralph E. Capen) 10. 10:50 AM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Ralph E. Capen) 11. 11:02 AM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Gerry Filby) 12. 11:02 AM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Gerry Filby) 13. 11:47 AM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (linn Walters) 14. 12:13 PM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (John Jessen) 15. 12:13 PM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Folbrecht, Paul) 16. 12:13 PM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Folbrecht, Paul) 17. 01:02 PM - Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test (John Fasching) 18. 01:02 PM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Derek K Sington) 19. 02:04 PM - Re: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test (Bruce Gray) 20. 02:26 PM - Re: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test (Ron Lee) 21. 02:58 PM - Re: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test (RVer273sb@aol.com) 22. 03:05 PM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (G McNutt) 23. 05:51 PM - Plane for sale (N67BT@aol.com) 24. 06:07 PM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Mauri Morin) 25. 07:36 PM - Re: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test (tiger10) 26. 07:52 PM - Re: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? (Gerry Filby) 27. 08:00 PM - Re: princeton capactive fuel probe (Mark E Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:20 AM PST US From: "Stephen J. Soule" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle --> RV-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" Mine's been on backorder for quite a while. Glad to hear you got yours even if it doesn't fit. Bet you can resell it! Steve (N227RV) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bell Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Got the Cleaveland Aircraft Tool RV Fuel Selector Handle for Van's fuel valve but looks to me the set screw should come in from the other direction for my RV-4 set up. Wouldn't the set screw be on the shaft flat? Anyone got theirs yet? Regards, Bruce Bell RV-4 N23BB DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:10 AM PST US From: "Tom Pilot" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/04/06 --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Pilot" please take me off of these lists. Thanks Tom >From: RV-List Digest Server >To: RV-List Digest List >Subject: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 06/04/06 >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:57:36 -0700 > >* > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > >Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2006-06-04.html > >Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list/Digest.RV-List.2006-06-04.txt > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 06/04/06: 18 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > 1. 07:27 AM - Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Rob Prior (rv7)) > 2. 08:25 AM - My last Brake-drag post (lowell lemay) > 3. 08:27 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Tim Bryan) > 4. 08:30 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Albert >Gardner) > 5. 08:32 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Albert >Gardner) > 6. 09:00 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Jerry >Springer) > 7. 11:05 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Richard E. >Tasker) > 8. 11:44 AM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Albert >Gardner) > 9. 12:18 PM - RV Fuel Selector Handle (Bruce Bell) > 10. 12:26 PM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Terry Watson) > 11. 01:36 PM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Richard E. >Tasker) > 12. 01:56 PM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Alex Peterson) > 13. 02:31 PM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Bruce Bell) > 14. 03:07 PM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Jerry Springer) > 15. 05:25 PM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Charlie >England) > 16. 06:28 PM - Landoll Balancer (PGLong@aol.com) > 17. 07:44 PM - Re: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley (Rob Prior >(rv7)) > 18. 08:29 PM - Re: RV Fuel Selector Handle (Alex Peterson) > > >________________________________ Message 1 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:27:25 AM PST US >From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" >Subject: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >Since we now have this fancy attachment system, it seems a waste not to at >least try it. This was taken yesterday while flying between Langley, BC >and Chilliwack, BC. > >-Rob > >Do Not Archive > >________________________________ Message 2 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:25:23 AM PST US >From: "lowell lemay" >Subject: RV-List: My last Brake-drag post > >Thanks for all the suggestions, guys. I tried all of them in reverse >order of difficulty. Of course the last one worked. FYI where the >brake pedals are bolted on at the bottom of the rudder pedals there is >room for a bolt, a thin washer and nut to hold each on. 'Someone' had >installed a thick washer, thereby making the pedals quite tight to >rotate. Spent 3 hours on my belly in 88 degree temp correcting a five >minute error. Following test flight succeeded in changing a frown to a >grin by inverting the ADI. For those who have never benifited from >'Brain Storming Sessions', remember to keep your suggestions POSITIVE >and keep the "DUMB" questions coming...Even I can learn........... > >________________________________ Message 3 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:27:12 AM PST US >From: "Tim Bryan" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >Awsome picture Rob. The list seems pretty dead this weekend, must be som >e >event going on somewhere. >Tim >15 year RV-6 final assembly > >-------Original Message------- > >From: Rob Prior (rv7) >Subject: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >Since we now have this fancy attachment system, it seems a waste not to a >t >least try it. This was taken yesterday while flying between Langley, BC >and Chilliwack, BC. > >-Rob > >Do Not Archive > > >________________________________ Message 4 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:30:53 AM PST US >From: "Albert Gardner" >Subject: RE: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >We've always had the ability to enclose pics on the RV-10 list but >please >consider the problems associated with the increase in message size when >you >enclose pics. I reposted the formation pic (very impressive) after using >the >powertoy suggested by Matt and with one click it reduced the formation >pic >from 200K to 50K. I think it would be a good idea for us to reduce pic >size >whenever possible. >Albert Gardner >40422 >Yuma, AZ >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > > >-----Original Message----- >On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7) >Subject: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley >Since we now have this fancy attachment system, it seems a waste not to >at >least try it. This was taken yesterday while flying between Langley, BC >and Chilliwack, BC. >-Rob > > >________________________________ Message 5 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:32:02 AM PST US >From: "Albert Gardner" >Subject: RE: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >We've always had the ability to enclose pics on the RV-10 list but >please >consider the problems associated with the increase in message size when >you >enclose pics. I reposted the formation pic (very impressive) after using >the >powertoy suggested by Matt and with one click it reduced the formation >pic >from 200K to 50K. I think it would be a good idea for us to reduce pic >size >whenever possible. >Albert Gardner >40422 >Yuma, AZ >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > > >-----Original Message----- >On Behalf Of Rob Prior (rv7) >Subject: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley >Since we now have this fancy attachment system, it seems a waste not to >at >least try it. This was taken yesterday while flying between Langley, BC >and Chilliwack, BC. >-Rob > > >________________________________ Message 6 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 09:00:29 AM PST US >From: Jerry Springer >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- > > A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. > The entire body of the message was removed. Please > resend the email using Plain Text formatting. > > HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section > in their client's default configuration. If you're using > HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings > and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". > >--- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- > > >________________________________ Message 7 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 11:05:33 AM PST US >From: "Richard E. Tasker" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" > >Of course, sending a message with a more highly compressed picture twice >cuts down on the amount one saves by compressing the picture... I know, >at least in my case, I would rather have a picture that is twice as >large rather than two smaller copies of the same picture :-) ... > >Do not archive... > >Dick Tasker > >Albert Gardner wrote: > > >We've always had the ability to enclose pics on the RV-10 list but please > >consider the problems associated with the increase in message size when >you > >enclose pics. I reposted the formation pic (very impressive) after using >the > >powertoy suggested by Matt and with one click it reduced the formation >pic > >from 200K to 50K. I think it would be a good idea for us to reduce pic >size > >whenever possible. > >Albert Gardner > >40422 > >Yuma, AZ > >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > > >-- > >Please Note: >No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, >however, >that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily >inconvenienced. >-- > > >________________________________ Message 8 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 11:44:28 AM PST US >From: "Albert Gardner" >Subject: RE: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" > >When I saw that I had sent that message twice, I knew I 'was in for it'. >For >penance, I went out in the garage and drilled out 35 acceptable rivets, all >of them in hard to reach areas. Previously I used Photoshop to resize >pictures but this resizing tool works great, is fast, and the price is >right. I used it on the photos I've been taking of my RV-10 project and it >reduced them from about 400K to about 50K taking about 30 seconds to reduce >35 pictures. Now, out to the garage to set 35 rivets. >Albert Gardner >Yuma, AZ > >-----Original Message----- > Of course, sending a message with a more highly compressed picture twice >cuts down on the amount one saves by compressing the picture... I know, >at least in my case, I would rather have a picture that is twice as >large rather than two smaller copies of the same picture :-) ... >Do not archive... >Dick Tasker > > >________________________________ Message 9 >_____________________________________ > > >Time: 12:18:39 PM PST US >From: "Bruce Bell" >Subject: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >Got the Cleaveland Aircraft Tool RV Fuel Selector Handle for Van's fuel >valve but looks to me the set screw should come in from the other direction >for my RV-4 set up. Wouldn't the set screw be on the shaft flat? Anyone got >theirs yet? >Regards, >Bruce Bell >RV-4 N23BB > >DO NOT ARCHIVE! > > >________________________________ Message 10 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 12:26:31 PM PST US >From: "Terry Watson" >Subject: RE: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > >I think Rob's higher resolution photo was very appropriate for an aerial >photo of a formation flight with a detailed background. The lower >resolution >is great for closer-up photos like we might take of an engine or airframe >detail, but when there's a lot of information or maybe for a photo of >someone's new paint job, at least for me I prefer the higher resolution. I >might not feel the same if I had dial-up. > >By the way, great photo, Rob. I saved your message awhile back about taking >air to air photos. Good stuff. > >Terry >Seattle > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" > >When I saw that I had sent that message twice, I knew I 'was in for it'. >For >penance, I went out in the garage and drilled out 35 acceptable rivets, all >of them in hard to reach areas. Previously I used Photoshop to resize >pictures but this resizing tool works great, is fast, and the price is >right. I used it on the photos I've been taking of my RV-10 project and it >reduced them from about 400K to about 50K taking about 30 seconds to reduce >35 pictures. Now, out to the garage to set 35 rivets. >Albert Gardner >Yuma, AZ > >-----Original Message----- > Of course, sending a message with a more highly compressed picture twice >cuts down on the amount one saves by compressing the picture... I know, >at least in my case, I would rather have a picture that is twice as >large rather than two smaller copies of the same picture :-) ... >Do not archive... >Dick Tasker > > >________________________________ Message 11 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 01:36:09 PM PST US >From: "Richard E. Tasker" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >Boy, you really must have felt guilty if you drilled out 35 good rivets! > >Dick > >Albert Gardner wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" > > > >When I saw that I had sent that message twice, I knew I 'was in for it'. >For > >penance, I went out in the garage and drilled out 35 _*acceptable*_ >rivets, all > >of them in hard to reach areas. > > > > > > >Do not archive... > >Dick Tasker > > >-- >Please Note: >No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, >however, >that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily >inconvenienced. >-- > > >________________________________ Message 12 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 01:56:10 PM PST US >From: "Alex Peterson" >Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > > > > > Got the Cleaveland Aircraft Tool RV Fuel Selector Handle for > > Van's fuel valve but looks to me the set screw should come in > > from the other direction for my RV-4 set up. Wouldn't the set > > screw be on the shaft flat? Anyone got theirs yet? > > Regards, > > Bruce Bell > > RV-4 N23BB > >Bruce, > >I recall that the standard handle had a flat in the bore which corresponded >with the flat on the shaft. Don't remember where the set screw was. > >BTW, I'd recommend giving the Van's selector valve the heave-ho. I flew >with mine for about 700 hours, never quite sure if it would actually stick >or not when changing tanks. It was painful to buy the Andair, but worth >every penny. > >Alex Peterson >RV6-A N66AP 758 hours >Maple Grove, MN > > >________________________________ Message 13 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 02:31:41 PM PST US >From: "Bruce Bell" >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >The new handle has the set screw. >B. Bell > > >________________________________ Message 14 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 03:07:46 PM PST US >From: Jerry Springer >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > >--- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- > > A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. > The entire body of the message was removed. Please > resend the email using Plain Text formatting. > > HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section > in their client's default configuration. If you're using > HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings > and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". > >--- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- > > >________________________________ Message 15 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 05:25:15 PM PST US >From: Charlie England >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England > >I promise, you wouldn't feel the same if you were stuck with dialup. > >The file size generated by 'smallest' using the MS software is plenty >for viewing on a computer screen & the larger ones really hurt, when you >get a few dozen every time you download email (multiple lists). > >It's easy to check file size before attaching the photo to an email & >the 60% of us still stuck with dialup would be grateful. > >Charlie >(resident the USA, soon-to-be member of the technological third world ) > >Terry Watson wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > > > >I think Rob's higher resolution photo was very appropriate for an aerial > >photo of a formation flight with a detailed background. The lower >resolution > >is great for closer-up photos like we might take of an engine or airframe > >detail, but when there's a lot of information or maybe for a photo of > >someone's new paint job, at least for me I prefer the higher resolution. >I > >might not feel the same if I had dial-up. > > > >By the way, great photo, Rob. I saved your message awhile back about >taking > >air to air photos. Good stuff. > > > >Terry > >Seattle > > > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" > > > >When I saw that I had sent that message twice, I knew I 'was in for it'. >For > >penance, I went out in the garage and drilled out 35 acceptable rivets, >all > >of them in hard to reach areas. Previously I used Photoshop to resize > >pictures but this resizing tool works great, is fast, and the price is > >right. I used it on the photos I've been taking of my RV-10 project and >it > >reduced them from about 400K to about 50K taking about 30 seconds to >reduce > >35 pictures. Now, out to the garage to set 35 rivets. > >Albert Gardner > >Yuma, AZ > > > >-----Original Message----- > > Of course, sending a message with a more highly compressed picture twice > >cuts down on the amount one saves by compressing the picture... I know, > >at least in my case, I would rather have a picture that is twice as > >large rather than two smaller copies of the same picture :-) ... > >Do not archive... > >Dick Tasker > > > > >________________________________ Message 16 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 06:28:17 PM PST US >From: PGLong@aol.com >Subject: RV-List: Landoll Balancer > >Just picked up a used Landoll Balancer. Has anyone got any installation >information available? I have the copy of a sheet that shows pictures of >the >components and tell what it does, but I'm looking for torque requirements >of the > >bolts and general installation information. This is the silicone fluid >balancer with aerobatic plate. Thanks as always....... > >Pat Long >PGLong@aol.com >N120PL >RV4 >Bay City, Michigan >3CM > >Do Not Archive > > >________________________________ Message 17 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 07:44:13 PM PST US >From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Formation fun in the Fraser Valley > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" > >On 17:18:09 2006-06-04 Charlie England wrote: > > The file size generated by 'smallest' using the MS software is plenty > > for viewing on a computer screen & the larger ones really hurt, when > > you get a few dozen every time you download email (multiple lists). > >Well, Matt has just given us carte-blanche to post items to the 'list. If >you think a 200k image is bad, you might want to consider what will happen >when someone thinks their vacation photos would be appropriate. For anyone >on dial-up, I would say that this list has just stopped being a viable >resource for you, and that's unfortunate. > >Someone posted that I should use the Microsoft "Resize" powertoy. If that >person had been a little more observant, they would have seen that I *did* >use the powertoy, to create that image. I'm assuming nobody wanted the >7.5MB raw image posted to the 'list, so I compressed it to 200kB. Any >smaller, and I believe the image loses too much of its impact. I'm sorry >if you disagree, but as the artist I prefer that my image reflect the scene >as I saw it and the smaller images just don't do it. > >Finally, i'll point out that I have only received *two* of the replies to >my original post. The reply with the smaller image never reached me, the >suggestion to use the powertoy never reached me, and two of the other >messages referred to elsewhere in the thread never reached me either. >Maybe this attachment thing has messed up some other part of the >distribution mechanism for the list... > >-Rob > >Do Not Archive > > >________________________________ Message 18 >____________________________________ > > >Time: 08:29:01 PM PST US >From: "Alex Peterson" >Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > >Fuel lube gets extremely stiff at temperatures like we get in Minnesota in >the winter. I could hardly turn my Van's valve at temps around 10F or >colder. Perhaps there is another lube which will make the valve not creak >and groan, and would work in cold temperatures, but I don't know what it >would be. > > >Alex Peterson >RV6-A N66AP 758 hours >Maple Grove, MN > > > _____ > >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:05 PM >Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Just so people don't get the >wrong idea about Van's selector valve all you have to do is screw off the >top of it and clean it up > and put some fuel lube on it and it works as good as new. Mine has worked >great for almost 18 years now. >Andair is nice but not necessary. > >Jerry >do not archive > > >Alex Peterson wrote: > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Alex Peterson" > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > > > >Got the Cleaveland Aircraft Tool RV Fuel Selector Handle for > >Van's fuel valve but looks to me the set screw should come in > >from the other direction for my RV-4 set up. Wouldn't the set > >screw be on the shaft flat? Anyone got theirs yet? > >Regards, > >Bruce Bell > >RV-4 N23BB > > >Bruce, > > >I recall that the standard handle had a flat in the bore which corresponded > >with the flat on the shaft. Don't remember where the set screw was. > > >BTW, I'd recommend giving the Van's selector valve the heave-ho. I flew > >with mine for about 700 hours, never quite sure if it would actually stick > >or not when changing tanks. It was painful to buy the Andair, but worth > >every penny. > > >Alex Peterson > >RV6-A N66AP 758 hours > >Maple Grove, MN > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:46 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Fuel Selector Handle Fuel lube gets extremely stiff at temperatures like we get in Minnesota in the winter. I could hardly turn my Van's valve at temps around 10F or colder. Perhaps there is another lube which will make the valve not creak and groan, and would work in cold temperatures, but I don't know what it would be. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 758 hours Maple Grove, MN Alex, Suggest you try Dow Corning 3452 flourosilicone valve lube available from AS. Low temp property is -20F http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/dc3452valvelub.php Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:06 AM PST US From: "Patty Hamilton" Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Flight Training at Columbia, SC (CUB) in Sept Mike Seager will be in Columbia, SC (CUB) on Sept 5 & 6. He will be giving flight training in the factory RV-10. The cost is 60 per hour for Mike and the plane rents for 75 per hour for a total of $ 135 per hour. If you are interested in flying with Mike, please email me at Hamilton@sc.e du Once I get a feel for who and how many would like to fly with Mike I will set up a schedule to hopefully accommodate everyone's agenda. Thanks, Patty Hamilton ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:15 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:21 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? Have you looked into http://robbinswings.com/ for their custom heatmuffs. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Filby To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? __g__ ========================= ========================= ======== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== -- 6/2/2006 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:30 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo From: "Folbrecht, Paul" A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about .20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort of thing? Paul 9A QB #1176 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:07 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Another one to look at is Larry Vetterman - I got his crossover exhaust with mufflers - the heater boxes are part of the mufflers - you can see the mufflers at Aircraft Exhaust technologies (built for the vetterman kits). Rumour has it that they really pump out the heat - but I haven't flown yet. -----Original Message----- >From: Gerry Filby >Sent: Jun 5, 2006 12:56 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > >--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > >I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the >firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How >about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? > >__g__ > >========================================================== >Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com > Tel: 415 203 9177 >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:54 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I'm guessing that you had a 912S/914 as you have those parts for sale.... What are you putting in now? More oooomph? Trying to get to the VNE? Curious as someone else mentioned a Jabiru 6.... -----Original Message----- >From: Gerry Filby >Sent: Jun 5, 2006 12:56 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > >--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > >I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the >firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How >about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? > >__g__ > >========================================================== >Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com > Tel: 415 203 9177 >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:47 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Sorrry - Ogre Fingers......wrong list! -----Original Message----- >From: "Ralph E. Capen" >Sent: Jun 5, 2006 1:44 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > >I'm guessing that you had a 912S/914 as you have those parts for sale.... > >What are you putting in now? More oooomph? Trying to get to the VNE? > >Curious as someone else mentioned a Jabiru 6.... > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Gerry Filby >>Sent: Jun 5, 2006 12:56 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby >> >> >>I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the >>firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How >>about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? >> >>__g__ >> >>========================================================== >>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com >> Tel: 415 203 9177 >>---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby He he ... I'll give you a cent to a dollar it won't be the last :-) I think I've got about 3 of those so far. The general wisdom I've heard is to flatten it out and move on, its more of a cosmetic issue than a structural one ... g > A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My > helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the > male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about > ..20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel > backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. > > > > I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab > of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to > prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort > of thing? > > > > Paul > > 9A QB #1176 > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby Hmm, my understanding is that its Robbins that supplies the ones that come in Vans kits - its that sketchy end-cap-rod-pipe-clamp-slip-joint-thingemy that bugs me ... g > Have you looked into http://robbinswings.com/ for their > custom heatmuffs. > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerry Filby > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:56 AM > Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the > firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How > about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? > > __g__ > > ========================================================== > Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com > Tel: 415 203 9177 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 6/2/2006 > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:19 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo Folbrecht, Paul wrote: > A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My > helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the > male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole > about .20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on > a steel backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. > > > > I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a > dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea > to prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this > sort of thing? > > > > Paul > > 9A QB #1176 > I haven't gone this route, but unless the "new" dimple severely impacted the correct dimple, I would leave it dimpled. It would make it much easier to fill with whatever body putty you use' As for stress crack, I'd just clean up the edges of the new (dimpled) hole. Linn Lots of rivets, but none in my -10 yet! do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:28 PM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo I would have left it dimpled and inserted a rivet. Let the painters cover up the mistake. And, welcome to the club! John J RV-10 Tailcone do not archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo Folbrecht, Paul wrote: A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about .20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort of thing? Paul 9A QB #1176 I haven't gone this route, but unless the "new" dimple severely impacted the correct dimple, I would leave it dimpled. It would make it much easier to fill with whatever body putty you use' As for stress crack, I'd just clean up the edges of the new (dimpled) hole. Linn Lots of rivets, but none in my -10 yet! do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo From: "Folbrecht, Paul" --> RV-List message posted by: "Folbrecht, Paul" Well, I'm nearly done with the emp., and I have a QB kit, so there is not much dimpling remaining! :-} Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby He he ... I'll give you a cent to a dollar it won't be the last :-) I think I've got about 3 of those so far. The general wisdom I've heard is to flatten it out and move on, its more of a cosmetic issue than a structural one ... g > A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My > helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the > male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about > ..20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel > backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. > > > > I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab > of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to > prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort > of thing? > > > > Paul > > 9A QB #1176 > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo From: "Folbrecht, Paul" This is why I should check the list before I do anything. ;-} I pounded it out immediately afterward without thinking it through completely... hey, it looked better. ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo Folbrecht, Paul wrote: A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about .20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort of thing? Paul 9A QB #1176 I haven't gone this route, but unless the "new" dimple severely impacted the correct dimple, I would leave it dimpled. It would make it much easier to fill with whatever body putty you use' As for stress crack, I'd just clean up the edges of the new (dimpled) hole. Linn Lots of rivets, but none in my -10 yet! do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:18 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles? This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in private aircraft. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:18 PM PST US From: "Derek K Sington" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo Paul, I know exactly what you mean. I did exactly the same on an elevator skin, and tried to weave the hole into a much bigger one for a huge rivet. Consequently I created a rather large crack and had to get a new skin. That said, I'm glad I did, as I know that every time I would have looked at that elevator I would have wished I hadn't been such a fool. Question is this, therefore; is it on the upper or lower surface? Regards, Derek. _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Folbrecht, Paul Sent: 05 June 2006 20:13 Subject: RE: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo This is why I should check the list before I do anything. ;-} I pounded it out immediately afterward without thinking it through completely. hey, it looked better. _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo Folbrecht, Paul wrote: A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about .20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there. I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort of thing? Paul 9A QB #1176 I haven't gone this route, but unless the "new" dimple severely impacted the correct dimple, I would leave it dimpled. It would make it much easier to fill with whatever body putty you use' As for stress crack, I'd just clean up the edges of the new (dimpled) hole. Linn Lots of rivets, but none in my -10 yet! do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:38 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test I believe it's a DOT reg. http://www.c-f-c.com/gaslink/docs/dot_cylinder.htm Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles? This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in private aircraft. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:48 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test At 02:00 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote: >Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement" for >a pressure test for oxygen bottles? > >This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to determine >its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in private >aircraft. Thanks. http://www.bouldermountainfire.org/training/hydro.html http://tinyurl.com/kbc4v http://tinyurl.com/z82a8 There is a way around this rule. Fill your own cylinder. But I would never skimp on this safety regulation just to save a few bucks every five years. There are places to save and places not to save. This is one where you follow the rules. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:11 PM PST US From: RVer273sb@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test 3AA bottles are due every 5 years. Most over looked item in an aircraft Stewart ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:33 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt Make your own, simple, cheap, better. Look in RV-list photo archives George McNutt Gerry Filby wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the > firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How > about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:09 PM PST US From: N67BT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Plane for sale Well I'm getting close to completing my 7A and have a Grumman AA1C T-Cat for sale. I've had this plane for almost 13 years while building the RV (it started out as a 6A). The T-Cat makes a great transition airplane for RV builders. It has the light handling, castering nose wheel (differential breaking), size, weight, and view of an RV. The performance and appearance are not the same. Anyway, details are on my web site: http://users.aol.com/flyerground Bob Trumpfheller do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:15 PM PST US From: "Mauri Morin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? I second Ralph. Mine is SO PRETTY, I hate to put the cowel on. Mauri Morin Polson, MT DO NOT ARCHIVE --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Another one to look at is Larry Vetterman - I got his crossover exhaust with mufflers - the heater boxes are part of the mufflers - you can see the mufflers at Aircraft Exhaust technologies (built for the vetterman kits). Rumour has it that they really pump out the heat - but I haven't flown yet. -----Original Message----- >From: Gerry Filby >Sent: Jun 5, 2006 12:56 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > >--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > >I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the >firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How >about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:16 PM PST US From: "tiger10" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test It is a DOT requirement to have the bottles checked at regular inatervals. If I recall the steel bottles are good for 5 years betweeen checks and no life limit. Them light weight ones are I think 3 years and some thing like a 20 Year service life. If you have an out of date bottle you most likely will not find anyone to fill it. tiger 10 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles? This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in private aircraft. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby And Mr Vetterman(?) generously offered to take my standard straight pipes (disconnect at the ball joint) and swap them out for the pipes with the combo muffler/heater - now I get dual heat source and a quieter airplane. g > I second Ralph. > Mine is SO PRETTY, I hate to put the cowel on. > > Mauri Morin > Polson, MT > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > Another one to look at is Larry Vetterman - I got his crossover > exhaust with mufflers - the heater boxes are part of the > mufflers - you can see the mufflers at Aircraft Exhaust > technologies (built for the vetterman kits). Rumour has it > that they really pump out the heat - but I haven't flown yet. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Gerry Filby > >Sent: Jun 5, 2006 12:56 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: Vans Heat Muff ... alternatives ? > > > >--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > > > >I'm not impressed with Vans heat muff as supplied in the > >firewall forward kit - has anyone used an alternative ? How > >about the "Homebuilders Heat Muff 9" in Spruce's catalog ? > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:08 PM PST US Cc: sarg314@comcast.net Subject: RV-List: Re: princeton capactive fuel probe From: Mark E Navratil --> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil Hi Tom, I bought the capacitive Princeton probes through Grand Rapids to use with my EIS-4000 and the probes came already bent and ready to install in the RV tanks. I have an -8A but as far as I know the same bend profile will work in the -6 series too. Might not hurt to double-check before ordering. As far as using them "successfully" goes, I've had decent results with mine. You go through a calibration setup procedure where you turn power on, push a button on the probe with the tank empty for the empty set point, then fill the tank and push the button again for the full set point. The first time I did this it worked fine on one tank but the other tank was reading 0.0 and the LED on the probe was flashing an error code. Instructions said to try the calibration procedure again before calling Princeton. This is a bit of a pain because you have to empty the tank completely....it worked out ok for me because I was flight testing and figured what the heck, I should run the tank dry in the air anyway just to make sure I can really use all the fuel in flight. After resetting it the probe has worked fine. My only complaint--and it's a minor one--is that with the tanks full, the reading from the senders varies by about a gallon. You can program the EIS to show whatever quantity you want when the sender is at the full level...I measured about 11 gals in my tank when the fuel is at the top of the sender so that's what I programmed into the EIS. But the actual reading after refueling is anywhere from 10.0 to 10.9, and it varies from day to day. I didn't expect capacitive probes to wander in their readings like this. Anyway, the important part is that they do seem to read accurately when near empty. I have an alarm on my EIS set up to warn me when fuel level is reading 1.0 gals in either tank. It will start to flash at me a few minutes before the engine quits. So I'm satisfied with that aspect of it. One other note of interest, I originally installed Vans float sensors in my tanks but decided to change to capacitive in hopes that I'd never have to yank them out and change them (time will tell...). I made the swap before mounting my wings so it was easy. The curious thing is that in order to install the Princeton probes, I had to install both the probe and the tank access plate at the same time, with a series of twists and turns. If you install the probe in the access plate first, or install the plate and then try to put in the probe, it won't work. I just mention this because it may be a lot harder to retrofit a flying airplane than it was with the wings off.... Hope this helps, --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D getting ready for 50 hr oil change.. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: princeton capactive fuel probe --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 I'm looking for a capacitive fuel probe/gauge to use in my old (circa 1999) RV-6A kit (tanks already built). The princeton probes look interesting because they could probably be used in this tank. You can specify a bendable section which I think would make it useable with the standard RV-6A tank configuration. Has any one used these probes successfully? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A