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1. 07:38 AM - Purchasing oxygen (Jeff Dowling)
2. 08:24 AM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Dan Checkoway)
3. 09:29 AM - Engine OH (Charles Heathco)
4. 11:00 AM - Re: Engine OH ()
5. 11:16 AM - Re: Engine OH (sportav8r@aol.com)
6. 11:35 AM - Re: Engine OH (Dale Ensing)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Engine OH (sportav8r@aol.com)
8. 11:53 AM - Re: Engine OH (Ron Lee)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: Engine OH (Konrad L. Werner)
10. 12:46 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Konrad L. Werner)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Jeff Dowling)
12. 01:12 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Bob J.)
13. 01:24 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Ron Lee)
14. 01:24 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Tim Olson)
15. 01:25 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Dan Checkoway)
16. 01:46 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Tom Gummo)
17. 01:47 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Dan Checkoway)
18. 01:56 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Konrad L. Werner)
19. 02:00 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Tim Olson)
20. 02:08 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Mark Grieve)
21. 02:19 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Konrad L. Werner)
22. 02:25 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Reuven Silberman)
23. 02:51 PM - Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (james frierson)
24. 03:33 PM - Andair Parts / Neal George Moved (Tim Olson)
25. 04:28 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Jim Sears)
26. 05:02 PM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (John Fasching)
27. 05:21 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (George P. Tyler)
28. 05:41 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Bruce Gray)
29. 05:52 PM - Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Jerry Grimmonpre)
30. 06:05 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Konrad L. Werner)
31. 07:12 PM - Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Jeff Dowling)
32. 07:12 PM - Stuff for Sale (Jeff Linebaugh)
33. 07:29 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Sam Buchanan)
34. 07:48 PM - Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Dale Ensing)
35. 08:00 PM - Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Larry Bowen)
36. 08:13 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Bruce Gray)
37. 08:47 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Sam Buchanan)
38. 09:11 PM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Bruce Gray)
39. 10:35 PM - Purchasing O2 (Dan Ross)
40. 10:56 PM - Instrument Panel Cutting (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | Purchasing oxygen |
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your traveling
other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement"
for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me about
$20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access to
Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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Well Im still mulling over the choices. I was ready to take my engine
down to Ft Smith for a $10k Oh prioviding crank ok. I was set up to go
donw and wathc a 360 put back today or wed, but no one returned 2 calls
yesterday so now having 2nd thoughts. I am looking at upgrade to 160 hp
even tho I will loose Mogas ability. I took Tweetybird into a grass
strip Sat and when coming out I was looking at a very high hill covered
with trees a lot closser than I had intended. (Im 150 hp). Wamnted to
get some thoughts on upgrading. Charlie Heathco
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Cc: Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net> wrote:
> snipped I am looking at upgrade to 160 hp even tho I will loose Mogas ability.snipped
Charlie Heathco
Charlie
Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel. It simply
means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87 octane
regular.
Charlie Kuss
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True. I've been paying the 20 cent premium per gallon ever since I upgraded, and
often find myself wishing I could undo it easily. Peformance gain was vanishingly
small, cost increase over 87 octane very real. If I were you, I'd stand
pat at 150 hp and enjoy the economy. Next logical step up: 180 hp O-360...
and still on mogas ;-)
Saving 20 cents a gallon over time will buy a constant speed, perhaps?
-Stormy
-----Original Message----
From: chaztuna@adelphia.net
Cc: Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:55:40 -0700
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine OH
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net> wrote:
> snipped I am looking at upgrade to 160 hp even tho I will loose Mogas
ability.snipped
Charlie Heathco
Charlie
Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel. It
simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
octane regular.
Charlie Kuss
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel. It
simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
octane regular.
Charlie Kuss
What about the ethanol content in the mogas? Isn't there some long term
potential problems with seals etc.?
DWE
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Yes, I believe there is...
Be careful what state you reside in ;-) Some mandate ethanol, some don't.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:34:04 -0400
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine OH
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel. It
simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
octane regular.
Charlie Kuss
What about the ethanol content in the mogas? Isn't there some long term
potential problems with seals etc.?
DWE
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 12:14 PM 6/6/2006, you wrote:
>True. I've been paying the 20 cent premium per gallon ever since I
>upgraded, and often find myself wishing I could undo it
>easily. Peformance gain was vanishingly small, cost increase over 87
>octane very real. If I were you, I'd stand pat at 150 hp and enjoy the
>economy. Next logical step up: 180 hp O-360... and still on mogas ;-)
>
>Saving 20 cents a gallon over time will buy a constant speed, perhaps?
Assuming a CS is $7000. Divide by 20 cents/gallon equals 35,000 gallons.
At 7 gallons/hr that is 5000 hours. At 100 hours/year you pay for the CS prop
in FIFTY years.
Ron Lee
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. . . assuming the price for the CS-prop is still the same by the year
2056 ???
BUT: If one is willing to burn more fuel, then time goes by quicker.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine OH
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 12:14 PM 6/6/2006, you wrote:
>True. I've been paying the 20 cent premium per gallon ever since I
>upgraded, and often find myself wishing I could undo it
>easily. Peformance gain was vanishingly small, cost increase over 87
>octane very real. If I were you, I'd stand pat at 150 hp and enjoy
the
>economy. Next logical step up: 180 hp O-360... and still on mogas
;-)
>
>Saving 20 cents a gallon over time will buy a constant speed,
perhaps?
Assuming a CS is $7000. Divide by 20 cents/gallon equals 35,000
gallons.
At 7 gallons/hr that is 5000 hours. At 100 hours/year you pay for the
CS prop
in FIFTY years.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
Out of curiosity:
What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
good old welding oxygen?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me about
$20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access to
Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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6/6/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
I have a skyox system. Will I need any special fittings to fill it at a
surgical supply store? I dont have my manual with me.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me about
$20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access to
Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
Konrad, have a look at: http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182079-1.html
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 6/6/06, Konrad L. Werner <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity:
> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
> good old welding oxygen?
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
At 01:44 PM 6/6/2006, you wrote:
>Out of curiosity:
>What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
>good old welding oxygen?
Reportedly NONE. I called a medical supply place and they wanted $18 for a
refill
plus I needed a prescription since O2 is a "drug."
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
By specs, aviation has less moisture perhaps. In practice, I've
actually been in the facility where our hospital, airport,
and welders fill their O2 locally at a gas supplier....and they
all come off the same tap.
Done numerous hundreds of deep dives using commercial helium,
and done hundreds of hours of decompression using welding O2.
For welding, they require purity. Argon may have some
differences, but since I just used that to fill my suit
I didn't care.
Concidently, I'm taking my O2 bottle in this afternoon to our local
welding/medical/aviation gas supplier to have it filled.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Konrad L. Werner wrote:
> Out of curiosity:
> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
> good old welding oxygen?
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Dan Checkoway <mailto:dan@rvproject.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:21 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
>
> I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me
> about $20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and
> access to Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical
> oxygen" or "surgical supply".
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeff Dowling <mailto:shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
>
> Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
> traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not
> worth it.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 265 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Fasching <mailto:n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
>
> Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
> "requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
>
> This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying
> to determine its applicability (if any) to small portable
> ones used in private aircraft. Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 6/6/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
AFAIK, absolutely nothing anymore.
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182079-1.html
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Out of curiosity:
What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
and good old welding oxygen?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me
about $20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access
to Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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Date: 6/6/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
Nothing.
Tom Gummo
Adjunct Chemistry Instructor - Victor Valley College
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
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http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Out of curiosity:
What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
and good old welding oxygen?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me
about $20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access
to Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 6/6/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
I'd be surprised if you need anything special. I don't know the
hardware or terminology very well, but if you can remove the regulator
from the tank and the tank has a male threaded valve about 1" in
diameter, it's probably "standard." I'm pullin this out of my butt so
forgive me if I'm wrong. Worth trying if you find a cheap source. For
example, the local surgical supply place charges me $10 for a 13 cu ft
fill. Hard to beat that with a stick (I looked into self-fill options
with tanks and this was cheaper all said and done).
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I have a skyox system. Will I need any special fittings to fill it at
a surgical supply store? I dont have my manual with me.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me
about $20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access
to Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
Gracias for everyone's info on the O2.
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Out of curiosity:
What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
and good old welding oxygen?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me
about $20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access
to Yahoo yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or
"surgical supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your
traveling other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth
it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the
"requirement" for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's a very good article and pretty accurate. Last time I swapped
my 250cf O2 cylinders it was $20 or maybe $22. Having owned about
26 of these various large cylinders in extremely large high-volume
cascade systems, I can say that after the investment, you would
definitely be flying on O2 for cheap. It's not for everyone, but
for the D.I.Y. person it's perfect. Get a good fill whip.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Bob J. wrote:
> Konrad, have a look at: http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182079-1.html
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying F1 under const.
>
> On 6/6/06, *Konrad L. Werner* <klwerner@comcast.net
> <mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity:
> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
> and good old welding oxygen?
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
At one time there was a difference in purity and moisture content but
these days it is all 99.99% pure and comes out of the same tank. The FDA
views oxygen as a drug so you cannot take your medical O2 bottle and
have it filled without a prescription. That's about it.
Konrad L. Werner wrote:
> Out of curiosity:
> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
> and good old welding oxygen?
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
But I can get O2 without prescription to do some welding with it.
Funny logic, isn't it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Grieve
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
At one time there was a difference in purity and moisture content but
these days it is all 99.99% pure and comes out of the same tank. The
FDA
views oxygen as a drug so you cannot take your medical O2 bottle and
have it filled without a prescription. That's about it.
Konrad L. Werner wrote:
> Out of curiosity:
> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation-
> and good old welding oxygen?
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
Went to a local surgical supply store to inquire about filling my ox tank. Got
a "can do" BUT, will need a perscription as despensing "medial" oxygen without
a perscription is a felony - or something like that. I would guess that any
local AME or doc you have a friendly relationship with would write you one.
Reuven
flyin 7A N7WT
Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote: I'd be surprised if you need anything
special. I don't know the hardware or terminology very well, but if you
can remove the regulator from the tank and the tank has a male threaded valve
about 1" in diameter, it's probably "standard." I'm pullin this out of my
butt so forgive me if I'm wrong. Worth trying if you find a cheap source.
For example, the local surgical supply place charges me $10 for a 13 cu ft fill.
Hard to beat that with a stick (I looked into self-fill options with tanks
and this was cheaper all said and done).
do not archive
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I have a skyox system. Will I need any special fittings to fill it at a
surgical supply store? I dont have my manual with me.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
I get my O2 filled locally at a surgical supply store. Saves me about
$20 on each fill. If I was on the road and had a car and access to Yahoo
yellow pages, I might try searching for "medical oxygen" or "surgical
supply".
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (928 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Dowling
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Speaking of oxygen, is there a good place to buy it when your traveling
other than airports to save a buck or two or is in not worth it.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oxygen Bottle Pressure Test
Can anyone point me to the applicable regulation for the "requirement"
for a pressure test for oxygen bottles?
This has the "smell" of an OSHA requirement and I am trying to
determine its applicability (if any) to small portable ones used in
private aircraft. Thanks.
"No pressure, no diamonds".
~Thomas Carlyle
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| Subject: | Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel. It
simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
octane regular.
Is this true? This is the first I have heard of it.... if so, I sure could
save some $$$$$ if so
Scott
RV6-A
!60hp O-320
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| Subject: | Andair Parts / Neal George Moved |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just spoke with Neal George today. He sells Andair valves and
parts. He just got moved by the military to Florida and is
in process getting all hooked up to phone and internet there.
If anyone is looking to get a hold of him, his number for
now is 334-546-2033. He said he just got in some Andair
parts and wanted to make sure that the people who were looking
for them to come in could find him.
Just passing on the info..
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
>> Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel.
>> It simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather
>> than 87 octane regular.<<
> Is this true? This is the first I have heard of it.... if so, I sure could
> save some $$$$$ if so
>
According to some old documentation I got from Petersen Aviation, owner of
one of the auto gas STCs, the 150hp/160hp O320 and the 180hp O360 engines
were approved by the FAA for auto gas. Oh, yeah. Let's not forget the
normally aspirated O540s, either. I think those are the 235 hp versions for
you -10 builders? H2ADs and fuel injected O360s were not approved. I think
it applies to any fuel injected engine, actually. Of course, he noted that
fuel line sizes, routing, and other variables, could impact the use of auto
gas due to vapor lock. He also mentioned that some materials in our tanks
may not hold up to the rigors of auto gas. The engines were OK, though.
To run the higher compression engines on auto gas, just bump up to 91-93
antiknock gas.
I invested in my first auto gas STC in 1986 and have saved money on gas for
my airplanes, since. My RV-6A has a 150hp O320 that runs well on 87
antiknock. The tanks and fuel system have shown no adverse effects of
having auto fuel in them, other than the minor vapor locking that can happen
during fast turnarounds. The plugs are clean, except for some carbon build
up. Oil, not fuel. No lead to foul plugs. Per Petersen's STC, I do put in
some 100LL a couple of times a year. I can always tell the difference.
Within an hour, or so, the lead deposits start building up and fouling
plugs.
Vapor locking is a minor problem, as was the case in my other two airplanes.
If in doubt, I add some 100LL to the mix to change the vapor pressure so
that the fuel is less apt to vapor lock. About the only time I chose to do
this is if I'm going to take up a lot of kids during a Young Eagles day. If
it's cold outside, I don't bother.
If I ever get around to finishing my -7A, it will have an O320 160hp engine
or an O360 180hp engine. Since I already have some pieces and parts for the
O320, that will probably be my choice. I plan on using premium unleaded in
it. I can't afford to own an airplane and keep it filled with 100LL. I'm
just getting used to putting premium in my new Miata! (It does get good gas
milage, though. :-) )
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Started on fuse)
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
I suspect this may be in error...I just picked up my oxygen bottle from a
medical supply store in town today for $12 and no prescription.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Grieve" <mark@macomb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
>
> At one time there was a difference in purity and moisture content but
> these days it is all 99.99% pure and comes out of the same tank. The FDA
> views oxygen as a drug so you cannot take your medical O2 bottle and have
> it filled without a prescription. That's about it.
>
> Konrad L. Werner wrote:
>> Out of curiosity:
>> What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
>> good old welding oxygen? do not archive
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
My understanding is that the engine will work on the mogas but the STC
doesn't cover it. So, it would seem the decision is if you want to keep your
engine certificated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
> --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
>
> Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel.
It
> simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
> octane regular.
>
> Is this true? This is the first I have heard of it.... if so, I sure could
> save some $$$$$ if so
>
> Scott
> RV6-A
> !60hp O-320
>
>
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| Subject: | Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Once an engine is installed on an experimental aircraft, it looses its
certified status and cannot thereafter be reinstalled on a certified
airframe without a complete disassembly/OH to determine it's status.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George P. Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler" <gptyler@metrocast.net>
My understanding is that the engine will work on the mogas but the STC
doesn't cover it. So, it would seem the decision is if you want to keep your
engine certificated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
> --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
>
> Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto fuel.
It
> simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather than 87
> octane regular.
>
> Is this true? This is the first I have heard of it.... if so, I sure could
> save some $$$$$ if so
>
> Scott
> RV6-A
> !60hp O-320
>
>
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| Subject: | Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Hi RV- Listers ..
I just purchased Ron Awad's RV-4 and will soon fly it from the East side of
Charlotte NC to just West of Chicago O'hare area. I'm wanting to know which
direction most of you would fly heading out of Charlotte. Would you go
South of Charlotte and make an end run around the mountains or would you go
over the pass at Ashville and head straight out for a direct course to
Chicago area? The airplane is VFR only so it's a given that the ground has
to be visible.
I'll make two stops for fuel not more than 300 miles at a time. Any
suggested places to stop or avoid. The first stop will be an over night so
it'd be nice to have it close to a hotel (town area).
Crosswind landings ... what should a newbie pilot (in the 4) avoid in the
way of wind velocity for cross? Any other suggestions that would
help?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
Bruce,
I did not know this!
I always thought that if you take a dataplate of the engine (or modify
it!) it would loose its certified status, ...but not by simply bolting a
fully certified engine into a non-certified airframe?
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Gray
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Once an engine is installed on an experimental aircraft, it looses its
certified status and cannot thereafter be reinstalled on a certified
airframe without a complete disassembly/OH to determine it's status.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George P.
Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:22 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
--> RV-List message posted by: "George P. Tyler"
<gptyler@metrocast.net>
My understanding is that the engine will work on the mogas but the STC
doesn't cover it. So, it would seem the decision is if you want to
keep your
engine certificated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
> --> RV-List message posted by: "james frierson" <tn3639@hotmail.com>
>
> Converting to 160 hp (8.5 to 1) does not preclude your use of Auto
fuel.
It
> simply means that you will have to use 91 -93 octane super, rather
than 87
> octane regular.
>
> Is this true? This is the first I have heard of it.... if so, I sure
could
> save some $$$$$ if so
>
> Scott
> RV6-A
> !60hp O-320
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
You're in an RV now. I just ran my flight planner for my 6a and found it
would be a 3:20 flight, easily reachable without a stop in an rv. I would
go direct at 8500 ft. Plenty of fuel stops along the way if you want to
play it safe. If you havent used airnav, http://www.airnav.com/, you'll
find it to be very helpful for fuel/flight planning. If you're not used to
an rv, you will be pleasantly surprised.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
265 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Hi RV- Listers ..
> I just purchased Ron Awad's RV-4 and will soon fly it from the East side
> of
> Charlotte NC to just West of Chicago O'hare area. I'm wanting to know
> which
> direction most of you would fly heading out of Charlotte. Would you go
> South of Charlotte and make an end run around the mountains or would you
> go
> over the pass at Ashville and head straight out for a direct course to
> Chicago area? The airplane is VFR only so it's a given that the ground
> has
> to be visible.
>
> I'll make two stops for fuel not more than 300 miles at a time. Any
> suggested places to stop or avoid. The first stop will be an over night
> so
> it'd be nice to have it close to a hotel (town area).
>
> Crosswind landings ... what should a newbie pilot (in the 4) avoid in the
> way of wind velocity for cross? Any other suggestions that would
> help?
> Many thanks ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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Guys and Gals,
I have a bunch of stuff for sale, flight instruments, engine instruments
,
and a radio stack... Don't want to spam the list, but this may be just w
hat
somebody is needing....
New Radio Stack For Sale
Bendix King KY97 VHF Com Radios (2)
Bendix King KT-76A Transponder with Encoder
Bendix King 134 Audio Panel
Radio Package Prewired
PS Engineering PS 1000II Intercom
List Price $5500
Asking $4500/OBO
Flight Instruments
Sigma Tek Artificial Horizon (vac) w/ 8 degree tilt for you TD guys $750
United DG (vac) $680
United Airspeed Indicator 3 1/8" $380.00
United Electric Turn Coordinator 3 1/8" $400.00
United Sensatrue Altimeter 3 1/8" $480
Sensatrue VSI 3 1/8" $275
Airpath Liquid Compass (Panel Mount 2 1/4") $90
Engine Instruments
Electonics International UGB-16 with probes $1200
Electonics International Fuel Flow Gauge $400
UMA Tach 2 1/4" $100
UMA MP 2 1/4" $85
UMA Metered Fuel Pressure $100.00
UMA Unmetered Fuel Pressure $200.00
Westech Dual Oil Temp/PSI $225
Westech Dual Volts/Amps $90
Thanks,
Jeff
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
901 606-6735
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Once an engine is installed on an experimental aircraft, it looses its
> certified status and cannot thereafter be reinstalled on a certified
> airframe without a complete disassembly/OH to determine it's status.
As I understand the situation (and I am certainly willing to be
corrected!) the mere act of bolting a certificated engine to an
experimental airframe does not cause the engine to lose its certificated
status.
However, if the engine was to be returned to service on a certificated
airframe, the installation would have to be signed off by an AI.
And.....how many AI's are going to put their career on the line by
signing off on an engine that they are not *absolutely certain* meets
all certification requirements.
The AI covering his backside is why the engine will most likely be torn
down to insure compliance, not just the fact that it was bolted to an
experimental airframe. If you can find an AI that is willing to sign off
the engine installation without a teardown, it will be legal. This
*might* actually happen if the AI owned or had detailed knowledge of the
experimental aircraft the engine was on.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Hi Jerry,
I have done it both ways from Charlotte to Chicago. Just depends on the
day/weather. Last year, on trip to Oshkosh, the flight over the mountains
was good but had to divert west at the Ohio River to get around the weather.
Return flight was direct from 3CK to Charlotte with one stop for the bladder
and some fuel.. It usually gets a bit bumpy over the mountains so altitude
helps.
Do you know when you will be coming down to get the RV-4. If we are home you
are welcome to overnight with us if you need a place. How is the
construction of the RV-8 coming along? My memory says you were doing the
wiring so can't be too long to finish.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I agree with Jeff's remarks. You can easily go direct over the mtns,
respecting wx and winds of course.
During my OSH run last year from N of CLT, I used Putnam county for a pit
stop. It has good facilities and decent fuel prices:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/4I7
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8 @ 8A7
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Dowling [mailto:shempdowling2@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:08 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> --> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>
> You're in an RV now. I just ran my flight planner for my 6a
> and found it would be a 3:20 flight, easily reachable without
> a stop in an rv. I would go direct at 8500 ft. Plenty of
> fuel stops along the way if you want to play it safe. If you
> havent used airnav, http://www.airnav.com/, you'll find it
> to be very helpful for fuel/flight planning. If you're not
> used to an rv, you will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
> RV-6A, N915JD
> 265 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:49 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> >
> > Hi RV- Listers ..
> > I just purchased Ron Awad's RV-4 and will soon fly it from
> the East side
> > of
> > Charlotte NC to just West of Chicago O'hare area. I'm
> wanting to know
> > which
> > direction most of you would fly heading out of Charlotte.
> Would you go
> > South of Charlotte and make an end run around the mountains
> or would you
> > go
> > over the pass at Ashville and head straight out for a
> direct course to
> > Chicago area? The airplane is VFR only so it's a given
> that the ground
> > has
> > to be visible.
> >
> > I'll make two stops for fuel not more than 300 miles at a time. Any
> > suggested places to stop or avoid. The first stop will be
> an over night
> > so
> > it'd be nice to have it close to a hotel (town area).
> >
> > Crosswind landings ... what should a newbie pilot (in the
> 4) avoid in the
> > way of wind velocity for cross? Any other suggestions that would
> > help?
> > Many thanks ...
> > Jerry Grimmonpre'
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> > http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
That's my understanding of the situation also. The engine would have to be
examined to be sure all parts were in compliance and all AD's were up to
snuff. In essence an overhaul.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Once an engine is installed on an experimental aircraft, it looses its
> certified status and cannot thereafter be reinstalled on a certified
> airframe without a complete disassembly/OH to determine it's status.
As I understand the situation (and I am certainly willing to be
corrected!) the mere act of bolting a certificated engine to an
experimental airframe does not cause the engine to lose its certificated
status.
However, if the engine was to be returned to service on a certificated
airframe, the installation would have to be signed off by an AI.
And.....how many AI's are going to put their career on the line by
signing off on an engine that they are not *absolutely certain* meets
all certification requirements.
The AI covering his backside is why the engine will most likely be torn
down to insure compliance, not just the fact that it was bolted to an
experimental airframe. If you can find an AI that is willing to sign off
the engine installation without a teardown, it will be legal. This
*might* actually happen if the AI owned or had detailed knowledge of the
experimental aircraft the engine was on.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> That's my understanding of the situation also. The engine would have to be
> examined to be sure all parts were in compliance and all AD's were up to
> snuff. In essence an overhaul.
Only if the AI insisted on the inspection/overhaul, but not because the
FARs require it. If the AI has extensive knowledge of the engine and its
compliance with AD's, he *might* forgo the inspection.
The A&P/AI that helped me with the yellow-tagged and updated logbook
overhaul of the O-320 in my RV-6 might have returned that engine to
certificated service without further inspection since he was familiar
with the overhaul and all major service following the overhaul. But a
different AI who didn't know the engine most likely would have required
an internal look at the engine and logs before he signed off the new
installation.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Sam,
I believe the FAR's exempt our engines from AD's even if we don't remove the
data plate. I recall emails from our friendly FAA guy that stated that the
FAA considered all appliances when attached to an experimental airframe to
be experimental. If your engine logs state that your engine was installed on
an RV, Glasair, or any other experimental airframe followed by your
signature, I don't know of any AP/IA that would sign if off for a reinstall
on a certified aircraft. The local FSDO would be sure to frown on it. It's a
real grey area. This might be a good question to kick up to the EAA experts.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> That's my understanding of the situation also. The engine would have to be
> examined to be sure all parts were in compliance and all AD's were up to
> snuff. In essence an overhaul.
Only if the AI insisted on the inspection/overhaul, but not because the
FARs require it. If the AI has extensive knowledge of the engine and its
compliance with AD's, he *might* forgo the inspection.
The A&P/AI that helped me with the yellow-tagged and updated logbook
overhaul of the O-320 in my RV-6 might have returned that engine to
certificated service without further inspection since he was familiar
with the overhaul and all major service following the overhaul. But a
different AI who didn't know the engine most likely would have required
an internal look at the engine and logs before he signed off the new
installation.
Sam Buchanan
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Guys: This is not hard. O2 be O2 and usually in a small to medium size
town there is usually only one shop in town that has the LOX facility,
larger cities may have more depending upon demand. Everyone gets their
gaseous from them, yes the medicos, the welders and the airport! Ever
notice the little trailers with 5 green O2 bottles strapped to it? The, the
bottles look surprisingly identical to the local welders' bottles don't
they? And before anyone starts with the moisture wives tale, all O2
containers are required to be absolutely dry or be purged to insure dryness.
Moisture, medical O2, is added to the supply line downstream from the O2
containers. The five year requirement for testing is done, guess where, the
local welding shop who sends them to a regional hydro testing facility. I
have been using "welder's O2 for 13 years in my bottle and the welding shop
has hydro tested it twice, price about $13 per refill and the same for the
testing. If you are in the McKinney TX airport area there is a welding shop
just of the airport entrance who will do it for free. However, for those
who truly believe that aviation O2 is different, oh well, someone has to pay
those high prices, it may as well be you.
Dan. 90% done and 90% to go on my -9A QB. Test fitted and clecoed the
instrument panel today.
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| Subject: | Instrument Panel Cutting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Just a quick thanks to all of you folks you responded to my quest for the
optimum methods for cutting holes in the instrument panel (that are not of
the round variety). After experimenting with several different things, I
found that a (baby size) router used for laminate trimming worked the best
for me. I made a wooden jig for the two rectangular holes needed for the
EFIS and AOA mounting and the results turned out very nice, almost as good a
as a CNC milling machine. Round instrument holes were cut with the common
fly cutter and came out nice as well, I just had to adjust the damn thing
for each my 2.5 inch instruments as they didn't seem to be a common size!
I solved my problem of the funny VM1000 engine monitor display cutout by
sending my blank to Mr Steve Davis of Memphis Tennessee (phone number
901-240-3068). Steve has autocad AND machining facilities and has done some
very nice work on RV panels. He did a very nice job on my cutout and the
price was VERY reasonable, it saved me a lot of work and disappointment. I
highly recommend letting Steve do your panel if you have the resources.
I've spent the better part of the last month (spare time) doing the flight
instrument side of the panel and it was a lot more work than I expected (I
have lots of stuff in there though). I enjoyed doing it but could be
further along towards clearing the prop if I'd let someone else do that part
of it. Oh well, I'll be able to say I built EVERYTHING on the airplane
except the metal stampings. Oh the joys and frustrations of building your
own aircraft!!
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Not long to- Clear-the-prop
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