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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Jim Jewell)
2. 12:22 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Cutting (Steve Davis)
3. 03:08 AM - Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 (Jim Sears)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
5. 05:22 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Cutting (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Larry Mac Donald)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (Darrell)
8. 08:30 AM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (John Danielson)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Dimpling Boo-boo (JOHN STARN)
10. 09:53 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Cutting (Paul Besing)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: Purchasing oxygen (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
12. 12:51 PM - Looking for RVator article on Johanssen tiptanks (Ralph E. Capen)
13. 05:02 PM - Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Brad Ransom)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area (Chopper 2)
15. 07:02 PM - epanelbuilder.com difficulties (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
16. 07:08 PM - Leaking brakes ()
17. 07:44 PM - Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties (James Clark)
18. 07:51 PM - Re: Leaking brakes (John D.Heath)
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Boo-boo |
Paul,
Redimple the hole put a rivet in it and cary on McDuff.
Keep building,
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Folbrecht, Paul
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo
A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My
helper's hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the
male die as the mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about
.20" from the existing hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel
backrivet plate, but the hole from the dimple die is still there.
I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a
dab of tank sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to
prevent a vibration-crack from forming? There must be SOP for this sort
of thing?
Paul
9A QB #1176
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Cutting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Davis" <sdavis12@midsouth.rr.com>
Thanks Dean!!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: RV-List: Instrument Panel Cutting
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> Just a quick thanks to all of you folks you responded to my quest for the
> optimum methods for cutting holes in the instrument panel (that are not of
> the round variety). After experimenting with several different things, I
> found that a (baby size) router used for laminate trimming worked the best
> for me. I made a wooden jig for the two rectangular holes needed for the
> EFIS and AOA mounting and the results turned out very nice, almost as good
> a
> as a CNC milling machine. Round instrument holes were cut with the common
> fly cutter and came out nice as well, I just had to adjust the damn thing
> for each my 2.5 inch instruments as they didn't seem to be a common size!
>
> I solved my problem of the funny VM1000 engine monitor display cutout by
> sending my blank to Mr Steve Davis of Memphis Tennessee (phone number
> 901-240-3068). Steve has autocad AND machining facilities and has done
> some
> very nice work on RV panels. He did a very nice job on my cutout and the
> price was VERY reasonable, it saved me a lot of work and disappointment. I
> highly recommend letting Steve do your panel if you have the resources.
> I've spent the better part of the last month (spare time) doing the flight
> instrument side of the panel and it was a lot more work than I expected (I
> have lots of stuff in there though). I enjoyed doing it but could be
> further along towards clearing the prop if I'd let someone else do that
> part
> of it. Oh well, I'll be able to say I built EVERYTHING on the airplane
> except the metal stampings. Oh the joys and frustrations of building your
> own aircraft!!
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Not long to- Clear-the-prop
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Super unleaded in 160hp O-320 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
> My understanding is that the engine will work on the mogas but the > STC
> doesn't cover it. So, it would seem the decision is if you want > to keep
> your engine certificated.
One has to look at the STCs. The EAA STC may not cover high compression
engines; but, the Petersen seems to cover them. Do keep in mind that STCs,
ADs, etc. do not apply to experimentals; but, one is foolish to not comply,
in many cases. If the testing was done for the Petersen STC for high
compression approval, I'd think it would be OK to use 91-93 antiknock fuels
in them. If not, I wouldn't. Fortunately, his STC does seem to cover them;
so, I'm going to use autogas in my next RV, as well. :-)
As for the certification, Pat Patterson learned in AB-DAR school that a
certifiied engine is indeed decertified when it is attached to an
experimental. It is true, even if one does not remove the data plate, which
I refuse to do. Just as Sam said, all one has to do is have an IA approve
the engine's use on a certified airplane for it to be put back to use as
such. I'm sure mine could be put back to service with a couple of changes
like removing the starter and alternator. I kept mine in certified
condition, I thought, by having an A&P sign off the engine at inspection
time. I quit that when Pat told me what he'd learned. I still have Pat,
the A&P, help me with the inspection; but, I do the sign off, now.
Actually, I don't know why we worry so much about keeping our engines
certified, anyway. How often do you think an engine from an experimental is
going to be put back into a certified airplane? Most likely, it will be
snapped up by another experimental builder before the certified status comes
into play.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317
EAA Tech Counselor
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| Subject: | Purchasing oxygen |
It was based on this article that I went welding Ox about 4 years ago.
It was not as cheap a solution as I had hoped.
Got to buy an ox welding tank in order to be able to exchange for
refill.
Had to buy the adapter filler cable to go from Welding Tank to Medical
portable tank.
Had to buy that darn fingertip Pulse ox sensor to monitor like this one
http://www.scantechmedical.com/onyx_ii.htm
Had to get the little Nelson A4 in-line flow meters like this one.
http://www.airportshoppe.com/aviation_oxygen/compared.html
Had to get the oxygen saving cannula with the little flapper valve built
in to conserve ox.
Blah Blah Blah.
My welding tank swap costs me $21, and it will refill my D size port
tank about 6 times before pressure drop under 2800psi.
In the end I like the flexibility of filling when I need it. But this is
not a cheap endeavour and Ill be years recouping my cost.
I use this much more with my Super 8 than I did in the 6 since the S8
gets to altitude faster and cruises better there.
Best,
Mike
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Konrad, have a look at: http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182079-1.html
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 6/6/06, Konrad L. Werner <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
Out of curiosity:
What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-, aviation- and
good old welding oxygen?
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Cutting |
In a message dated 6/7/06 12:58:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net writes:
> He did a very nice job on my cutout and the
> price was VERY reasonable, it saved me a lot of work and disappointment. I
> highly recommend letting Steve do your panel if you have the resources.
>>>
I'll second Deans nomination!
Mark Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: Purchasing oxygen |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
I'll take a shot at this.
YESTERDAY:
Oxygen was compressed by compressors. If they did
not use things, such as charcoal filters, it turned out to be
welders oxygen. If they took out the water it was aviation oxygen.
If they put "so much" water back into it it was medical oxygen.
TODAY: They compress it into a liquid. Of course that is very
cold stuff and in the process the water freezes so there won't
be any water in the LOX. And since it was processed without the
use of standard compressors there won't be any oil in the LOX.
SO NOW: where ever you fill up you will have clean oilless,
waterless, oxygen that will never ever fail you at FL180, unless
you happen to be bying from a place in Egypt, Rumania, west
podunk or someplace like that. I have to believe that worldwide
non-standard processes are the reason the FAA still clings to
thier FAR's regarding the source of oxygen.
That's my story and I'm stuck with it.
Larry Mac Donald
lm4@juno.com
Rochester N.Y.
Do not achcive
> > Out of curiosity:
> > What are the actual differences between medical/surgical-,
> aviation- and
> > good old welding oxygen?
> > do not archive
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Boo-boo |
Aah yes... been there and done that. I would follow Jim's suggestion as well.
Darrell
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Redimple the hole put a rivet in it and cary on McDuff.
Keep building,
Jim in Kelowna do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Folbrecht, Paul
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo
A couple days ago I was dimpling elevator skins with the C-frame. My helpers
hand, pulling back the skin, slipped and it popped out of the male die as the
mallet was coming down, creating a new dimple/hole about .20 from the existing
hole. I pounded it out with a hammer on a steel backrivet plate, but the
hole from the dimple die is still there.
I would consider this to be not too big a deal (I hope). Perhaps a dab of tank
sealant on the underside of the skin would be a good idea to prevent a vibration-crack
from forming? There must be SOP for this sort of thing?
Paul
9A QB #1176
Darrell
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
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| Subject: | Purchasing oxygen |
Is there any reason that a small medical oxygen cylinder and canulas not
be used in an aircraft.
My father, who passed away, had medical oxygen equipment that I now
have. I can not see any reason I couldn't use this in my plane.
Am I wrong?
John L. Danielson
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| Subject: | Re: Dimpling Boo-boo |
While building the rudder (RV-4) for the HRII we drilled an accidentally
an extra hole on one side beyond the end of the rib. Sooo we drilled a
matching hole on the other side too. Put rivets in both and when ask
about the "extra" rivets by other -4 builders we would respond: "You
didn't the emergency AD ?". Same guys ask how we got the 3 burner camp
stove in the Rocket at OSH. Answer was simple: We put it one of the wing
tip lockers. You would be surprised by the number of people what checked
out the locker door size. Do Not Archive KABONG
Don't stress out about a rivet, most real problems are caused by the
loose nut with his/her hand on the stick. (pun intended)
Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling Boo-boo
Aah yes... been there and done that. I would follow Jim's suggestion
as well.
Darrell
Jim Jewell <jjewell@telus.net> wrote:
Paul,
Redimple the hole put a rivet in it and cary on McDuff.
Keep building,
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Cutting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Steve did my new panel on my RV-4 as well...check out
www.mykitlog.com/pbesing Nice work, Steve.
Paul Besing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Instrument Panel Cutting
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> > <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
> >
> > Just a quick thanks to all of you folks you
> responded to my quest for the
> > optimum methods for cutting holes in the
> instrument panel (that are not of
> > the round variety). After experimenting with
> several different things, I
> > found that a (baby size) router used for laminate
> trimming worked the best
> > for me. I made a wooden jig for the two
> rectangular holes needed for the
> > EFIS and AOA mounting and the results turned out
> very nice, almost as good
> > a
> > as a CNC milling machine. Round instrument holes
> were cut with the common
> > fly cutter and came out nice as well, I just had
> to adjust the damn thing
> > for each my 2.5 inch instruments as they didn't
> seem to be a common size!
> >
> > I solved my problem of the funny VM1000 engine
> monitor display cutout by
> > sending my blank to Mr Steve Davis of Memphis
> Tennessee (phone number
> > 901-240-3068). Steve has autocad AND machining
> facilities and has done
> > some
> > very nice work on RV panels. He did a very nice
> job on my cutout and the
> > price was VERY reasonable, it saved me a lot of
> work and disappointment. I
> > highly recommend letting Steve do your panel if
> you have the resources.
> > I've spent the better part of the last month
> (spare time) doing the flight
> > instrument side of the panel and it was a lot more
> work than I expected (I
> > have lots of stuff in there though). I enjoyed
> doing it but could be
> > further along towards clearing the prop if I'd let
> someone else do that
> > part
> > of it. Oh well, I'll be able to say I built
> EVERYTHING on the airplane
> > except the metal stampings. Oh the joys and
> frustrations of building your
> > own aircraft!!
> >
> > Dean Psiropoulos
> > RV-6A N197DM
> > Not long to- Clear-the-prop
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Purchasing oxygen |
Will work great in your plane!
But he probably has regular cannulas.
Practically speaking, you would want the ones with the little flapper in
them like the one on this page.
http://www.airportshoppe.com/aviation_oxygen/compared.html
or this one
http://aerox.com/Pages/masks.html
Really saves the oxygen. I could pull a tank dry in 3 hours on a std
cannula at 18k'. I can go twice that with the flapper valve one.
Mike
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Danielson
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Purchasing oxygen
Is there any reason that a small medical oxygen cylinder and canulas not
be used in an aircraft.
My father, who passed away, had medical oxygen equipment that I now
have. I can not see any reason I couldn't use this in my plane.
Am I wrong?
John L. Danielson
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| Subject: | Looking for RVator article on Johanssen tiptanks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Does anyone out there have a copy of this article that they would be willing to
scan in for me?
IIRC it came out in '03.
I have a set - just want to complete my documentation.
Thanks,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brad Ransom" <aztailwind@uneedspeed.net>
"Flatlanders"
My wheels leave the ground at 7,030 feet! I have never flown in an RV as yet
but..yea man, Rocket skyward at 1500 Feet per minute and get to an altitude
that you will miss everything and go. What is the highes point back east
anyway?? 4,000 feet?? ;-)) (heat pants on) - oh and have you flown in
that RV 4 yet?
Brad
RV6A -160 HP E2D
Finishing kit
182D (Gas Hog) family SUV
Flagstaff AZ -(and no it is not all Desert out here)
Do not archive
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Subject: RV-List: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Hi RV- Listers ..
I just purchased Ron Awad's RV-4 and will soon fly it from the East side of
Charlotte NC to just West of Chicago O'hare area. I'm wanting to know which
direction most of you would fly heading out of Charlotte. Would you go
South of Charlotte and make an end run around the mountains or would you go
over the pass at Ashville and head straight out for a direct course to
Chicago area? The airplane is VFR only so it's a given that the ground has
to be visible.
I'll make two stops for fuel not more than 300 miles at a time. Any
suggested places to stop or avoid. The first stop will be an over night so
it'd be nice to have it close to a hotel (town area).
Crosswind landings ... what should a newbie pilot (in the 4) avoid in the
way of wind velocity for cross? Any other suggestions that would
help?
Many thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
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| Subject: | Re: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chopper 2" <mkellems@bellsouth.net>
Jerry, I'd like to suggest you stop in at RNC McMinnville, Tn. Their price
for avgas is $3.53 per gal. tax included. Not far from your originally
planned stop. Or. email me offlist for a delivery quote . RV's handle
crosswinds better than any other taildragger I've flown. (2500+ TW) Anyone
else traveling through Tennessee might check your flightplan to save a few
bucks. Tell'em Mike Kellems from Lewisburg sent you for the local price.
Mike K. RV3 29AT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Charlotte NC routing to Chicago area
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Hi RV- Listers ..
> I just purchased Ron Awad's RV-4 > I'll make two stops for fuel not more
> than 300 miles at a time. Any
> suggested places to stop or avoid. The first stop will be an over night
> so
> it'd be nice to have it close to a hotel (town area).
>
> Crosswind landings ... what should a newbie pilot (in the 4) avoid in the
> way of wind velocity for cross? Any other suggestions that would
> help?
> Many thanks ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | epanelbuilder.com difficulties |
Howdy all-
Has anyone had any success using this website:
http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
I've registered, downloaded the required Macromedia app, supposedly started a
project, couldn't get any instruments to show in the library (after
struggling for 15 minutes to get a panel template to show) and then couldn't open
that
project next time I tried, and generally run into more problems than any app
(out of hundreds- this stuff is NOT new to me!) I've ever tried to use before.
Then tried to get assistance, been issued "tickets" (what ever happened to
customer support via e-mail, fer chrissake!!) and am genuinely frustrated and
annoyed after over 3 hours for 2 days of trying to accomplish anything. Must
not be holding my left foot in the correct position or the moon is out of
phase. Anyone else with horror/success stories with this?
Suggestions for alternatives welcome- maybe I'll just go back to AutoCAD and
my previous excellent panel cutting service....
Mark Phillips N51PW
do not archive
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Anyone got any good ideas on how to stop leaking brake cylinders? All
four are leaking a tiny bit at the lower fitting. I first installed
them without any pipe dope. then I drained the brake lines, cleaned the
fittings and reinstalled with prematex sealant and they still leak a
tiny bit.
Ideas please!
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| Subject: | Re: epanelbuilder.com difficulties |
Mark, Give me a call.
I was able to put some instruments up. The user interface could be improved
and new features added but I *was* able to get it to work.
803-238-2113 (ANYTIME)
James
On 6/7/06, Fiveonepw@aol.com <Fiveonepw@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy all-
>
> Has anyone had any success using this website:
>
> http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
>
> I've registered, downloaded the required Macromedia app, supposedly
> started a project, couldn't get any instruments to show in the library
> (after struggling for 15 minutes to get a panel template to show) and then
> couldn't open that project next time I tried, and generally run into more
> problems than any app (out of hundreds- this stuff is NOT new to me!) I've
> ever tried to use before. Then tried to get assistance, been issued
> "tickets" (what ever happened to customer support via e-mail, fer
> chrissake!!) and am genuinely frustrated and annoyed after over 3 hours for
> 2 days of trying to accomplish anything. Must not be holding my left foot
> in the correct position or the moon is out of phase. Anyone else with
> horror/success stories with this?
>
> Suggestions for alternatives welcome- maybe I'll just go back to AutoCAD
> and my previous excellent panel cutting service....
>
> Mark Phillips N51PW
> do not archive
>
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This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james@nextupventures.com .
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking brakes |
If you're talking about the brake line, are the double flared? If they
aren't, double flair them. If they are, they make soft copper washers
that are meant to take care of the same kind of problem in air
conditioner systems. Auto parts stores have them. If you're sure its the
fittings, good but it might not hurt to look at the calipers and make
sure the pistons are not inverted, exposing the "O" rings. Some came
from the manufacturer that way.
Good Luck
John D.
----- Original Message -----
From: dwhite17@columbus.rr.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Leaking brakes
Anyone got any good ideas on how to stop leaking brake cylinders?
All four are leaking a tiny bit at the lower fitting. I first installed
them without any pipe dope. then I drained the brake lines, cleaned the
fittings and reinstalled with prematex sealant and they still leak a
tiny bit.
Ideas please!
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