---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/09/06: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:41 AM - Re: N-Number font (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 2. 04:21 AM - Re: FF Kit (LarryRobertHelming) 3. 05:23 AM - Re: FF Kit (Steve Struyk) 4. 05:24 AM - Re: FF Kit (John Furey) 5. 05:26 AM - Re: FF Kit (John Furey) 6. 05:59 AM - N-Number font (Glen Matejcek) 7. 07:19 AM - Re: N-Number font (Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]) 8. 07:31 AM - Re: N-Number font (Dan Checkoway) 9. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: N-Number font (Bruce Gray) 10. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: N-Number font (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 11. 09:43 AM - DAR (was N Number Font) (Paul Besing) 12. 05:08 PM - map box kit (Lance Sorensen) 13. 05:50 PM - Squeaking brakes (Jim Frisby) 14. 05:59 PM - Re: map box kit (Darrell) 15. 06:00 PM - Re: FF Kit (LarryRobertHelming) 16. 06:29 PM - Test (no content) (Jerry Springer) 17. 06:35 PM - Re: map box kit (Darrell) 18. 07:10 PM - Re: LSI mag covers (dick martin) 19. 07:12 PM - Re: LSI mag covers (dick martin) 20. 07:18 PM - Re: Test (no content) (dennis cox) 21. 07:28 PM - Re: RV7 (dick martin) 22. 07:41 PM - Re: Squeaking brakes (G McNutt) 23. 07:41 PM - Re: Squeaking brakes (Dan Checkoway) 24. 08:51 PM - Re: Squeaking brakes (Hedrick) 25. 08:54 PM - DOUBLE FLARING (Mick Muller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: N-Number font From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" We have used electrical tape and shoe polish for the 12" requirement returning from other countries. I have 3" on my S8. My DAR never even mentioned the speed, nor did I bring it up bragging about the speed. You can see my 3" scripted font barely readable from 50' here: http://www2.eaa690.org:8080/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-138 Coming back from the Turks, out electrical tape was flapping in the wind as the hot sun was softening the glue and the tape was fluttering off. Was funny to watch. We switched to shoe polish after that. Enjoy, Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mickey Coggins Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Dan Checkoway wrote: > (iii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on an aircraft for > which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate under 21.191 (d), > 21.191 (g), or 21.191 (i) of this chapter to operate as an exhibition > aircraft, an amateur-built aircraft, or a light-sport aircraft when the > maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180 knots CAS; There's also the issue of international flying. Not sure if that counts for Caribbean, Canada or Mexico. What do you guys who cross the borders regularly do? Temporary 12" numbers? Anyone had their wrist slapped for not having the big numbers on their RV? -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:08 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: FF Kit I am pretty much standard engine, cowling, and the FWF kit saved lots of time. There were some parts supplied I did not use but the convenience of having almost everything was nice. I am not an A&P with lots of spare parts laying around. I wanted parts that was the right part and the right size. The FWF kit worked very well with my TMX-O-360 engine installation. I am sure it would work well with a lycoming as well. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: John Furey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RV-List: FF Kit I'm building an RV7. Anyone have experience with the Firewall Forward kit from Van's, or is it better to piece meal? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:49 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: FF Kit I did the FWF kit and I'd do it again. If you already have some of the parts that are included in the kit, Van's will custom tailor the kit to your needs. Just let them know what you do not need. They will send the rest and bill you accordingly. Just my two cents worth. Steve Struyk RV-8, 50 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Furey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RV-List: FF Kit I'm building an RV7. Anyone have experience with the Firewall Forward kit from Van's, or is it better to piece meal? Thanks John ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:16 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: FF Kit Thanks Dan, I am going with the Sam James cowl and probably a TMX IO-360 (still looking for advice here) I have built 2 RV6A in the past. I am learning a lot from your web site. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:50 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RE: RV-List: FF Kit Larry, I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any input. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:45 AM PST US From: "Glen Matejcek" Subject: RV-List: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" Hi All- A person could have a lot of fun with this one! I asked a pertinent source about this subject and got the perfect answer. The cruise speed of a plane has an FAA definition. Unfortunately I don't have either the citation at my fingertips or the time to look it up right now, but you can go to the main fed site and do a search for the info and get it right from the horses mouth. The short version is that V sub D (design diving speed), V sub NE (never exceed speed), V sub H (max sea level speed), and V sub C (cruise speed) are all mathematically defined and interrelated, as well as linked to wing loading at max gross take off weight. V sub C has a range, the maximum end of which is defined as 0.9 x V sub H. According to Van's, V sub H is 192 kts for the RV-8. 192 x .9 = 173. Therefore, the max cruise speed for an RV-8 is 173 kts as defined by the FAA. Voila! Crossing an ADIZ is another matter, of course. We plan on 12" markings for that reason alone. > > Greg, you may want to check with your DAR. Recently a DAR in our area > required an RV to put on the 12 in. letters because the builder said the > plane was capable of more than 200 mph. > Dale > > > Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:10 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: N-Number font From: "Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]" --> RV-List message posted by: "Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]" Thanks for the info everyone. I know everyone wants to hash out the height issue again and I'm sure I can find some DAR to disagree but, I think that issue is pretty clear as written in the regulation. Dan is right, its CAS and at 75% power the RV-8 will see nothing close to 180kts CAS. Glen's analysis should also be some good ammo. The question I really needed an answer to is: With respect to FAR 45.29 (c), has anyone ever had an issue if the width does not exactly match? It's not like I'm using some crazy font, just a plain Swis821 LtCn BT in bold and slightly slanted but, it does not have characters that are exactly 2/3 wide as they are high and the "1" is not exactly 1/6th wide. The number "8"is exactly 2/3rd but the "N" the "G" and "P" are about as wide as they are high. After looking a Mike Stewarts font, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with mine but before I shoot and clear coat, I wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of an issue with the width and font of the character from their DAR? Thanks everyone. Greg N881GP (c) Width. Characters must be two-thirds as wide as they are high, except the number "1", which must be one-sixth as wide as it is high, and the letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are high. (d) Thickness. Characters must be formed by solid lines one-sixth as thick as the character is high. (e) Spacing. The space between each character may not be less than one-fourth of the character width. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:00 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > There's also the issue of international flying. Not sure if that > counts for Caribbean, Canada or Mexico. What do you guys who cross > the borders regularly do? Temporary 12" numbers? Anyone had > their wrist slapped for not having the big numbers on their RV? The requirement isn't relative to border crossing or flying to other countries. The requirement has to do with whether or not you are crossing the ADIZ...and also depends on the regs of the countries you're visiting. When I flew to Canada, for instance, I had just my 3" numbers. Didn't cross the ADIZ. When I fly to Mexico, I always use 12" temporary numbers (shoe polish). >From a standpoint of convenience, having 12" numbers would be a good thing. But I can't bring myself to put 'em on there permanently for reasons that are probably obvious to many RV pilots on this list. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:38 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Call your AB-DAR and ask him. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Puckett, Gregory [DENTK] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: "Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]" Thanks for the info everyone. I know everyone wants to hash out the height issue again and I'm sure I can find some DAR to disagree but, I think that issue is pretty clear as written in the regulation. Dan is right, its CAS and at 75% power the RV-8 will see nothing close to 180kts CAS. Glen's analysis should also be some good ammo. The question I really needed an answer to is: With respect to FAR 45.29 (c), has anyone ever had an issue if the width does not exactly match? It's not like I'm using some crazy font, just a plain Swis821 LtCn BT in bold and slightly slanted but, it does not have characters that are exactly 2/3 wide as they are high and the "1" is not exactly 1/6th wide. The number "8"is exactly 2/3rd but the "N" the "G" and "P" are about as wide as they are high. After looking a Mike Stewarts font, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with mine but before I shoot and clear coat, I wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of an issue with the width and font of the character from their DAR? Thanks everyone. Greg N881GP (c) Width. Characters must be two-thirds as wide as they are high, except the number "1", which must be one-sixth as wide as it is high, and the letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are high. (d) Thickness. Characters must be formed by solid lines one-sixth as thick as the character is high. (e) Spacing. The space between each character may not be less than one-fourth of the character width. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: N-Number font From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" After looking a Mike Stewarts font, I can't imagine anyone having a problem with mine Greg N881GP Its ALL IN THE DAR! For better or worse, there are no consistent application of any rules. After your inspection and your paperwork is done, there is nothing to stop a ramp check from requiring you to change em. If your not in compliance, then your not. And on the Vx Dy stuff I know nothing about, in the end its how YOURS performs, not the airframe. Mine does not perform to Vans published numbers... fortunately {smile} Best Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:33 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: DAR (was N Number Font) --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing Yep..just like from one FSDO to another the regs are interpreted in different ways. When I went to flight school for the Army, I was told to get my FAA Helo ratings while in Alabama, because the other FSDO's didn't understand the military equivalency thing and I could run into obstacles. (By the way, my Commercial Helicopter with Instrument rating cost me $60, and I got paid to get it!) Paul Besing --- "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael > (ISS Atlanta)" > > > After looking a Mike Stewarts font, I can't imagine > anyone having a > problem with mine Greg N881GP > > > Its ALL IN THE DAR! > For better or worse, there are no consistent > application of any rules. > > > After your inspection and your paperwork is done, > there is nothing to > stop a ramp check from requiring you to change em. > If your not in > compliance, then your not. > > And on the Vx Dy stuff I know nothing about, in the > end its how YOURS > performs, not the airframe. Mine does not perform to > Vans published > numbers... fortunately {smile} > Best > Mike > Do not archive > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:55 PM PST US From: Lance Sorensen Subject: RV-List: map box kit --> RV-List message posted by: Lance Sorensen I have a map box kit for the RV7-9 panel. Has been assembled & primed and includes cut stiffener angles and all hardware. Ready to install. $25.00 plus shipping. (lancej@charter.net). ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:55 PM PST US From: "Jim Frisby" Subject: RV-List: Squeaking brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" With all you guys in rocket ships, I'll probably get laughed of the list, but here goes. I have a Zenith CH801, it's maximum speed is around 100mph. I monitor this list because I'm interested in adding an RV-3 to my "stable", either by building from a kit, partially built kit, or possibly a flying plane. Since there are so many RV builders, I thought I might ask here: What can be done to quiet squealing brakes. My CH801 brakes squeal like the dickens with anything more than light application. I have heard a suggestion to put grease on the back side of the pads, between the pads and the pucks, I plan to try that, but I'd like to hear suggestions from anyone who has had to deal with this. When I first taxied the plane, I made sure to season the brakes the same way I used to season my cleveland brakes on production planes, but they have squealed since they were new. Thanks Jim Frisby Zenith CH801 N801ZA Palmer, Alaska ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:33 PM PST US From: Darrell Subject: Re: RV-List: map box kit Sent you an email... Darrell do not archive Lance Sorensen wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Lance Sorensen I have a map box kit for the RV7-9 panel. Has been assembled & primed and includes cut stiffener angles and all hardware. Ready to install. $25.00 plus shipping. (lancej@charter.net). __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:46 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: FF Kit I have been happy at every step taken with Mattituck. I would buy another engine from them again but would consider others also. Things to change and at the time I bought mine, I felt it was the best value available. Mattituck has exceeded my expectations at every opportunity. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: John Furey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: FF Kit Larry, I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any input. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:17 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: RV-List: Test (no content) --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer test do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:04 PM PST US From: Darrell Subject: Re: RV-List: map box kit I sent you an email. Darrell do not archive Lance Sorensen wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Lance Sorensen I have a map box kit for the RV7-9 panel. Has been assembled & primed and includes cut stiffener angles and all hardware. Ready to install. $25.00 plus shipping. (lancej@charter.net). Darrell RV7A "Reiley Rocket" N622DR Reserved __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:27 PM PST US From: "dick martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: LSI mag covers --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" Doug, Use a gasket with "TITESEAL LIGHT OR MEDIUM". with a gasket. I have never had good luck with any of the permatex products on airplanes. Good luck. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Weiler" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: RV-List: LSI mag covers > --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" > > Greetings all: > > I have recently installed dual LSI electronic ignition in my RV-4. I > installed the mag opening covers just as Klaus recommended with no gasket. > I used my usual Aviation Form-A-Gasket as a sealant but the covers are > leaking oil. > > Any suggestions on sealing these better? Did anyone use a gasket? > > Doug > N722DW, 290 hours > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:11 PM PST US From: "dick martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: LSI mag covers --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" John, I saw your post on the covers which reminded me to tell you that I am signing up for the Airventure race. I hope you are also. I just ordered a 10 gal aux tank for my RV8 from Summit racing. Last year was to close. I almost ran outof fuel. 10 extra gallons should give me a good cushion. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Huft" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: LSI mag covers > --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft > > Yes, I first installed mine without the gasket as spec'd. They leaked. > Then I used the gasket...no more leaks. > > John > > > Doug Weiler wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" >> >> Greetings all: >> >> I have recently installed dual LSI electronic ignition in my RV-4. I >> installed the mag opening covers just as Klaus recommended with no >> gasket. I used my usual Aviation Form-A-Gasket as a sealant but the >> covers are leaking oil. >> >> Any suggestions on sealing these better? Did anyone use a gasket? >> >> Doug >> N722DW, 290 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:05 PM PST US From: "dennis cox" Subject: RE: RV-List: Test (no content) --> RV-List message posted by: "dennis cox" please take me off the list. Thanks >From: Jerry Springer >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Test (no content) >Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:27:10 -0700 > >--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > >test >do not archive > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Fashion, food, romance in Sympatico / MSN Lifestyle http://lifestyle.sympatico.msn.ca/Home/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:28 PM PST US From: "dick martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7 John, I was one of the first users of the Sam James cowl and Plenum. It is designed around a fuel injection system with a forward facing air intake direct to the fuel injector. It is very efficient. You can expect at least a 10 knot increase over Vans standard setup. Also, it will cool much more efficiently. Consider installing your oil cooler behind cyl number 4 as high as possible and tilt back approx. 25 degrees for better performance. Good Luck. I will look for you at one of the future Air Venture Cup races. I welcome the competition. Dick Martin N233M RV8 the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: John Furey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RV-List: RV7 I have an RV7 QB kit on the way. I now have to decide on engine. I'm leaning towards TMX IO-360 with Roller tappets and Cold Air forward facing intake. I would appreciate any thoughts on carb-vs-injection, roller tappets, etc. TMX-vs-Superior-vs-Lycomming-vs-??? Have any of you exchanged the Vans cowl, wing tips, wheel pants for the Same James? If so what results did you get. Any input would be appreciated. John Furey ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:16 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: Re: RV-List: Squeaking brakes --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt Hi Jim Do a search of the RV-list archives, there is probably a lot of relevant info there. The way aluminum brake lines are formed and attached to the wheel cylinder can create a vibration or chattering squeal. I had to reduce the size of the flexible loop on my aluminum brake lines, somehow a vibration would develop causing a fluttering or whipping in the large brake line loop and causing a lot of high pitched brake noise and also causing one brake line to fail at the wheel cylinder in about 12 hrs. George in Langley B.C. 6A flying 7A finishing Jim Frisby wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > With all you guys in rocket ships, I'll probably get laughed of the list, > but here goes. > > I have a Zenith CH801, it's maximum speed is around 100mph. I monitor this > list because I'm interested in adding an RV-3 to my "stable", either by > building from a kit, partially built kit, or possibly a flying plane. > > Since there are so many RV builders, I thought I might ask here: > > What can be done to quiet squealing brakes. My CH801 brakes squeal like the > dickens with anything more than light application. I have heard a > suggestion to put grease on the back side of the pads, between the pads and > the pucks, I plan to try that, but I'd like to hear suggestions from anyone > who has had to deal with this. > > When I first taxied the plane, I made sure to season the brakes the same way > I used to season my cleveland brakes on production planes, but they have > squealed since they were new. > > Thanks > > Jim Frisby > Zenith CH801 > N801ZA > Palmer, Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:16 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Squeaking brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Try cleaning and lubing the shafts that the caliper slides on, and make sure the caliper slides on the axis of those shafts...that there isn't a twisting load on it. Just a WAG, hope it helps. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (934 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Frisby" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: RV-List: Squeaking brakes > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > With all you guys in rocket ships, I'll probably get laughed of the list, > but here goes. > > I have a Zenith CH801, it's maximum speed is around 100mph. I monitor > this > list because I'm interested in adding an RV-3 to my "stable", either by > building from a kit, partially built kit, or possibly a flying plane. > > Since there are so many RV builders, I thought I might ask here: > > What can be done to quiet squealing brakes. My CH801 brakes squeal like > the > dickens with anything more than light application. I have heard a > suggestion to put grease on the back side of the pads, between the pads > and > the pucks, I plan to try that, but I'd like to hear suggestions from > anyone > who has had to deal with this. > > When I first taxied the plane, I made sure to season the brakes the same > way > I used to season my cleveland brakes on production planes, but they have > squealed since they were new. > > Thanks > > Jim Frisby > Zenith CH801 > N801ZA > Palmer, Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:28 PM PST US From: "Hedrick" Subject: RE: RV-List: Squeaking brakes --> RV-List message posted by: "Hedrick" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G McNutt Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Squeaking brakes --> RV-List message posted by: G McNutt Hi Jim Do a search of the RV-list archives, there is probably a lot of relevant info there. The way aluminum brake lines are formed and attached to the wheel cylinder can create a vibration or chattering squeal. I had to reduce the size of the flexible loop on my aluminum brake lines, somehow a vibration would develop causing a fluttering or whipping in the large brake line loop and causing a lot of high pitched brake noise and also causing one brake line to fail at the wheel cylinder in about 12 hrs. George in Langley B.C. 6A flying 7A finishing Jim Frisby wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Frisby" > > With all you guys in rocket ships, I'll probably get laughed of the list, > but here goes. > > I have a Zenith CH801, it's maximum speed is around 100mph. I monitor this > list because I'm interested in adding an RV-3 to my "stable", either by > building from a kit, partially built kit, or possibly a flying plane. > > Since there are so many RV builders, I thought I might ask here: > > What can be done to quiet squealing brakes. My CH801 brakes squeal like the > dickens with anything more than light application. I have heard a > suggestion to put grease on the back side of the pads, between the pads and > the pucks, I plan to try that, but I'd like to hear suggestions from anyone > who has had to deal with this. > > When I first taxied the plane, I made sure to season the brakes the same way > I used to season my cleveland brakes on production planes, but they have > squealed since they were new. > > Thanks > > Jim Frisby > Zenith CH801 > N801ZA > Palmer, Alaska > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:16 PM PST US From: "Mick Muller" Subject: RV-List: DOUBLE FLARING --> RV-List message posted by: "Mick Muller" Greetings Listers, I have been told that the safest way to treat flares brake and fuel fittings is with a double flaring tool. I can get my hands on a double flaring tool, but it is a 45degree fitting not 37 degree. I was thinking that I could use the double flaring tool to make the initial folded over flare, then my single 37degree flaring tool to finish it off. Does anyone see a problem with this approach?? Thanks, Mick