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1. 02:12 AM - Re: LSI mag covers (Mickey Coggins)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: DOUBLE FLARING (Kevin Horton)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: LSI mag covers (John Huft)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: N-Number font (bertrv6@highstream.net)
5. 06:47 AM - for sale Construction Videos for Rv6a (bertrv6@highstream.net)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: DOUBLE FLARING (Jim Cimino)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: DOUBLE FLARING (linn Walters)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: N-Number font (Jerry Springer)
9. 01:54 PM - Tank Rivet Substitution (MLWynn@aol.com)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: N-Number font (linn Walters)
11. 03:00 PM - Re: N-Number font (Jerry Springer)
12. 03:59 PM - Re: N-Number font (Tim Olson)
13. 04:05 PM - IO 550 N (John Neel)
14. 04:07 PM - Re: N-Number font (Kevin Horton)
15. 05:33 PM - Re: FF Kit (Vern W.)
16. 05:42 PM - Re: N-Number font (Terry Watson)
17. 06:38 PM - Re: N-Number font (Jerry Springer)
18. 07:20 PM - Quality (John Furey)
19. 07:46 PM - Re: Quality (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
20. 07:46 PM - Re: N-Number font (Ed Holyoke)
21. 08:26 PM - Re: Quality (Bob Collins)
22. 08:26 PM - Re: Rv-List: For Sale (Vanremog@aol.com)
23. 08:37 PM - Props for Sale (Vanremog@aol.com)
24. 10:57 PM - Re: Quality (Walter Tondu)
25. 11:23 PM - Re: Quality (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Re: LSI mag covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I saw your post on the covers which reminded me to tell you that I am
> signing up for the Airventure race. I hope you are also.
> I just ordered a 10 gal aux tank for my RV8 from Summit racing. Last
> year was to close. I almost ran out of fuel. 10 extra gallons should
> give me a good cushion.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
Dick, please take a lot of pictures of your installation process.
This sounds like an interesting mod.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: DOUBLE FLARING |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 9 Jun 2006, at 23:53, Mick Muller wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mick Muller" <mmul6471@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Greetings Listers, I have been told that the safest way to treat
> flares brake and fuel fittings is with a double flaring tool. I
> can get my hands on a double flaring tool, but it is a 45degree
> fitting not 37 degree. I was thinking that I could use the double
> flaring tool to make the initial folded over flare, then my single
> 37degree flaring tool to finish it off. Does anyone see a problem
> with this approach??
The only problem is that there is no service history for this
technique, so there is no way to know how likely a failure is. It
might be acceptable, or they might have a high failure rate.
I wouldn't use this technique on any flare where the failure could
cause a safety problem. Fuel and brake lines are not a great place
to be using an unproven technique.
Yes, double flares are probably a bit more reliable than single
flares. But, there are many thousands of aircraft flying with single
flared tubes, and they aren't falling out of the sky because of
them. Either buy the right double flaring tool, or stick with single
flares.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: LSI mag covers |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Dick, you bet I am signed up for the race.
You will beat me again, but I will still have fun. Teresa is going to
ride along this year.
John
dick martin wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
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> John,
> I saw your post on the covers which reminded me to tell you that I am
> signing up for the Airventure race. I hope you are also.
> I just ordered a 10 gal aux tank for my RV8 from Summit racing. Last
> year was to close. I almost ran outof fuel. 10 extra gallons should
> give me a good cushion.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Huft" <rv8@lazy8.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LSI mag covers
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
>>
>> Yes, I first installed mine without the gasket as spec'd. They
>> leaked. Then I used the gasket...no more leaks.
>>
>> John
>>
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>> Doug Weiler wrote:
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" <dcw@mnwing.org>
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>>> Greetings all:
>>>
>>> I have recently installed dual LSI electronic ignition in my RV-4.
>>> I installed the mag opening covers just as Klaus recommended with no
>>> gasket. I used my usual Aviation Form-A-Gasket as a sealant but the
>>> covers are leaking oil.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on sealing these better? Did anyone use a gasket?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> N722DW, 290 hours
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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> There goes some of those leave it up to the DAR
> things...I've seen plenty of RV's with the small
> numbers on them...I'm sure they are over 200 MPH quite
> often! My -6A had 4" temporary hardware store numbers
> on it before it was painted...I'm pretty sure it went
> over 200 MPH on many occasions.
>
> Paul Besing
>
Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you fly
outside of the U.S.?
Bert
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> > a DAR in our area
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| Subject: | for sale Construction Videos for Rv6a |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Have a complete set of G. Orndorff construction Videos, for the rv6a
Including, Standard and Quick built.
A total of 15 videos.. 40% off. I pay shipping cost.
contact me off list, if interested.
Bert rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: DOUBLE FLARING |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Cimino" <jcimino@echoes.net>
I don't think aluminum line will take well to double fares. You would also
have to remove it from your tool and put it in the 37 degree tool which
would not work well. Single fares are the standard for aviation and works
well, I don't think there is any need to go to double fares. The pressures
we are running are just not that high.
Jim
Jim Cimino
N7TL
RV-8 S/N 80039
150+ Hours
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick Muller" <mmul6471@bigpond.net.au>
<rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: DOUBLE FLARING
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mick Muller" <mmul6471@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Greetings Listers, I have been told that the safest way to treat flares
> brake and fuel fittings is with a double flaring tool. I can get my hands
> on a double flaring tool, but it is a 45degree fitting not 37 degree. I
> was thinking that I could use the double flaring tool to make the initial
> folded over flare, then my single 37degree flaring tool to finish it off.
> Does anyone see a problem with this approach??
> Thanks, Mick
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: DOUBLE FLARING |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
I myself don't see too much of a problem with that scenario. However, I
don't think a double flare is a standard aviation activity. I'm not
sure if a double flare is 'safer' than a single flare anyway. A double
flare just adds 'meat' to the flare, allowing the compression to take
care of any differences between the tube and the fittings. However,
having said that, those brake lines with double flares are STEEL, not
aluminum, and doing all that stretching necessary for a double flare in
aluminum tubing may make the tubing more susceptible to cracking, and
furthermore the cracking may be inside the folded part where you can't
see it.
I commented on the thread about sealants, and I had a brain fart ......
I was thinking of metal brake lines, and there may be nylon brake lines
in the leaking assembly. But then they'd be compression fittings with
the nylon tube, not flare. So, I'm confused. ..... I don't like the
nylon tubeing as brake lines, but that's just my personal feelings.
However, I do see a lot of homebuilts with the nylon tubeing with
leaking problems. Most problems are due to leaving out the internal
ferrule ..... the part that looks like a rivet with a hole through it.
The internal ferrule is there to give the outside compression ferrule
something to squeeze the tubeing between.
Linn Walters
do not archive
Mick Muller wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Mick Muller" <mmul6471@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Greetings Listers, I have been told that the safest way to treat
> flares brake and fuel fittings is with a double flaring tool. I can
> get my hands on a double flaring tool, but it is a 45degree fitting
> not 37 degree. I was thinking that I could use the double flaring tool
> to make the initial folded over flare, then my single 37degree flaring
> tool to finish it off. Does anyone see a problem with this approach??
> Thanks, Mick
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
> Quoting Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>>
>>There goes some of those leave it up to the DAR
>>things...I've seen plenty of RV's with the small
>>numbers on them...I'm sure they are over 200 MPH quite
>>often! My -6A had 4" temporary hardware store numbers
>>on it before it was painted...I'm pretty sure it went
>>over 200 MPH on many occasions.
>>
>>Paul Besing
>>
>
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>
> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you fly
> outside of the U.S.?
>
>
> Bert
>
Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Tank Rivet Substitution |
Hi all,
Through poor planning on my part, I am exactly 2 AD-42-H (if that is the long
one) rivets short of being able to finish my tanks in the morning. These are
the ones that hold the tank brackets onto the baffles. Can I substitute a
Cherrymax CR3213-4-3 rivet for this? It is the correct length, definitely
structural. I am not sure if it would seal properly but could be pretty well
swizzeled in proseal.
Thoughts?
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Wings
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Jerry Springer wrote
>>
>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you fly
>> outside of the U.S.?
>> Bert
>
> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
> Jerry
And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country. Which brings up
the question? Are 12" numbers required to enter the Washington ADIZ?
Linn
do not archive ....... ADIZ off the coast!
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
linn Walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jerry Springer wrote
>
>>>
>>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you fly
>>> outside of the U.S.?
>>> Bert
>>
>>
>> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
>> Jerry
>
>
> And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country. Which brings up
> the question? Are 12" numbers required to enter the Washington ADIZ?
> Linn
> do not archive ....... ADIZ off the coast!
>
>
>
>
>
I don't really consider the ADIZ around the west, south and eastern
borders out of the country. Washinton is not an ADIZ it is a restricted
area and you must comply with certain procedures to fly there.
You do have your 2006 FAR/AIM right? :-)
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Since when is the area around D.C. "not an ADIZ". Seems that's what
it's been for quite a while now.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Jerry Springer wrote
>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you fly
>>>> outside of the U.S.?
>>>> Bert
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
>>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country. Which brings
>> up the question? Are 12" numbers required to enter the Washington ADIZ?
>> Linn
>> do not archive ....... ADIZ off the coast!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> I don't really consider the ADIZ around the west, south and eastern
> borders out of the country. Washinton is not an ADIZ it is a restricted
> area and you must comply with certain procedures to fly there.
> You do have your 2006 FAR/AIM right? :-)
>
> Jerry
>
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I have a IO 550 N out of a Cirrus SR22 605 TT NDH 3 Blade Scimitar
propeller and single lever engine management system. Interest for RV
10's ? Price with or without core. JN
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 10 Jun 2006, at 17:07, linn Walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Jerry Springer wrote
>
>>>
>>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if
>>> you fly
>>> outside of the U.S.?
>>> Bert
>>
>> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
>> Jerry
>
> And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country.
You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us
sometime.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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John,
I bought the Mattituck TMX IO-360 w/AFP fuel injection plus two P-mags. My
engine was built with the hollow crank in case I might later want to change
to a CS prop, but I am going to install and fly with a Catto 3-blade FP.
Like you, I also had to do some head scratching about the FWF kit and what I
came up with was that the best match for my engine was to get the FWF item
#FF-7A O-360 FP.
However, I still made some changes of either straight deletions or exchanges
as follows:
I deleted the gascolator (don't need it with the AFP-FI).
I deleted ALL the electrical harnesses and master relay and starter
solenoid. (I'll get what I need elsewhere).
I deleted the throttle and mixture cables and bracket (I'm using a throttle
quadrant from DJM).
I changed out the standard FWF 60a alternator for the new 60a alternator
w/internal OV protection.
I deleted the standard oil cooler and instead bought the Stewart Warner
replacement from Pacific.
I deleted the standard Vetterman exhaust and instead bought the same exhaust
directly from Vetterman except with the mufflers.
You can obviously see that most of those changes were as per my personal
preference as opposed to changes mandated by my engine installation. For the
most part, I think if you just delete the gascolator, you might be able to
use all the rest.
I am also using the Sam James Cowl and Plenum, so be aware that you need to
ask Mattituck to get the special bracket from AFP that's made to fit with
the Sam James Plenum.
I hope that gets you in the right direction.
Vern Wanzong
RV7-A
Houston, TX
On 6/9/06, John Furey <john@fureychrysler.com> wrote:
>
> Larry, I am leaning towards the TMX O or IO-360 and would appreciate any
> input.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Kevin,
Flying TO Canada is easy; it's getting back through U.S. Customs that has
been an aggravation, to say the least, as both Jerry and I have experienced.
But you know that.
Terry
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>
> Jerry Springer wrote
>
>>>
>>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if
>>> you fly
>>> outside of the U.S.?
>>> Bert
>>
>> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
>> Jerry
>
> And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country.
You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us
sometime.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
I stand corrected, I was just using the 2006 AIM/FAR manual fir
reference and it did not show DC area.
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Since when is the area around D.C. "not an ADIZ". Seems that's what
> it's been for quite a while now.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>>
>> linn Walters wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Jerry Springer wrote
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you
>>>>> fly
>>>>> outside of the U.S.?
>>>>> Bert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
>>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country. Which brings
>>> up the question? Are 12" numbers required to enter the Washington
>>> ADIZ?
>>> Linn
>>> do not archive ....... ADIZ off the coast!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I don't really consider the ADIZ around the west, south and eastern
>> borders out of the country. Washinton is not an ADIZ it is a
>> restricted area and you must comply with certain procedures to fly
>> there.
>> You do have your 2006 FAR/AIM right? :-)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor
quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but
don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
John Furey
2 RV6A slow builds
1 RV7 QB (maybe)
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In a message dated 06/10/2006 9:22:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
john@fureychrysler.com writes:
article in the RV builders hotline
>>>
What's the hotline? Got a link, John? do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Washington, Dizzy certainly does have an ADIZ. I flew into and out of it
about a month ago with small N numbers, though.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Jerry Springer wrote
>>
>> Paul: I thought, that the requirement, for 12" was only if you
fly
>> outside of the U.S.?
>> Bert
>
> Nope, based on speed and the ADIZ.
> Jerry
And where is MOST of the ADIZ??? Out of the country. Which brings up
the question? Are 12" numbers required to enter the Washington ADIZ?
Linn
do not archive ....... ADIZ off the coast!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
On 06/10 10:18, John Furey wrote:
> I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor
> quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
> occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but
> don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
Hi John,
Mine are fantastic quality. Zero complaints. Well except for the fact that
they pre-drill for vans pitot tube, but you can fill that with a steel snap
fitting.
Now the shipping was a different story. The crate was destroyed on one end
and there was some scuffing of the wing skins since the wings were a bit loose.
But overall the structure was fine, just buff it out.
I've watched and helped another builder build his wings. I'm glad I didn't
have to do it, twice, booooorrrriiinnngggggg. :)
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
John Furey wrote:
> I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor
> quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
> occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks
> but don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
The issues discussed were pretty ugly. Perhaps they had a
batch of bad parts and didn't realize it. Not sure, but
thankfully my QB wings (delivered Feb 2004) don't have
these problems.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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