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1. 03:48 AM - Re: Quality (Steve Glasgow)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Quality (Vern W.)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Quality (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: N-Number font ()
5. 08:53 AM - Re: N-Number font (John Huft)
6. 09:50 AM - Re: Quality (Dan)
7. 03:20 PM - Re: Quality (Frank Stringham)
8. 04:20 PM - VSI reads backwards (RGray67968@aol.com)
9. 04:36 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Alex Peterson)
10. 04:51 PM - Re: N-Number font (Vanremog@aol.com)
11. 04:52 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (John Huft)
12. 05:01 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (linn Walters)
13. 05:02 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (linn Walters)
14. 05:05 PM - Re: Quality (RV6 Flyer)
15. 05:23 PM - Re: N-Number font (Alex Peterson)
16. 05:47 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Ed Anderson)
17. 06:08 PM - Re: Quality (Paul Besing)
18. 07:03 PM - Oshkosh Traffic (PGLong@aol.com)
19. 07:21 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (RGray67968@aol.com)
20. 07:35 PM - Vent from battery requested (Tim Bryan)
21. 08:02 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Dale Ensing)
22. 08:02 PM - Re: Oshkosh Traffic (Dale Ensing)
23. 08:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh Traffic (Jeff Point)
24. 09:43 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Dave Nellis)
25. 10:27 PM - That wasted Spark (Stan Jones)
26. 10:55 PM - Re: Vent from battery requested (Ed Holyoke)
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For what its worth, my wings were delivered damaged. After a call to
Vans and an e-mail with a picture to Scott I returned them and they were
fixed. No charge.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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John,
My QB wings and fuse arrived together a couple of years ago and I confess I
had some misgivings about what to expect concerning the quality of the
build.
I have to tell you that I was pleasantly amazed at what I saw, and I have
yet to see a SB kit that was assembled and riveted as straight and with any
more attention to detail than my parts were.
What I found with my QB kit has been what I have read from others to find
the same, so if there's a bad one out there, it's the exception rather than
the rule.
Vern
On 6/10/06, John Furey <john@fureychrysler.com> wrote:
>
> I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor
> quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
> occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but
> don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
>
> John Furey
> 2 RV6A slow builds
> 1 RV7 QB (maybe)
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
I received my RV6-A QB in Jan. 2000 and the quality of assembly was "Top
Shelf!" The RV flies hands off with absolutely no adjustment including not
needing rudder trim. I am building an F1-Rocket now so my RV6-A will have a
hanger mate. The F1 will also be a quick build.
Tom in
Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Tondu" <walter@tondu.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality
> --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu <walter@tondu.com>
>
> On 06/10 10:18, John Furey wrote:
>
> > I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very
> > poor
> > quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
> > occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks
> > but
> > don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your
> > experience?
>
> Hi John,
>
> Mine are fantastic quality. Zero complaints. Well except for the fact
> that
> they pre-drill for vans pitot tube, but you can fill that with a steel
> snap
> fitting.
>
> Now the shipping was a different story. The crate was destroyed on one
> end
> and there was some scuffing of the wing skins since the wings were a bit
> loose.
> But overall the structure was fine, just buff it out.
>
> I've watched and helped another builder build his wings. I'm glad I
> didn't
> have to do it, twice, booooorrrriiinnngggggg. :)
>
> --
> Walter Tondu
> http://www.rv7-a.com
> Flying!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
Yea the US sucks, lets complain about the US again. Please there
are jerk Customs on both side. I have crossed the US/Can border
100's of times when I was a commuter pilot. Trust me it goes both
ways. May be the Canada customs does not harass the C regestered
planes and visa a verse, but this has NOTHING to do with N-numbers.
How did they name Canada?
Three of the founding fathers of the frozen hinter lands of the North, now
known as C-A-N-A-D-A where sitting around the table. One said, What
are we going to name this new country? Another said well lets each pick
one letter. Than each of the founding Fathers sitting around the table
picked a letter.
The first person said, C, eh'
The next said: N, eh'
and the last person said: D, eh'
Cheers George, eh'
P.S. Lets shut up about small N-numbers, my plane does 207 mph
(less than 180kts) wink wink nod nod. Lets not ask the question
you don't want the answer to, please.
>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>
>Kevin,
>
>Flying TO Canada is easy; it's getting back through U.S. Customs that
>has been an aggravation, to say the least, as both Jerry and I have
>experienced. But you know that.
>
>Terry
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Now you've done it.
From now on, I will refer to nose wheel RVs as Canadian RVs.
john
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yea the US sucks, lets complain about the US again. Please there
> are jerk Customs on both side. I have crossed the US/Can border
> 100's of times when I was a commuter pilot. Trust me it goes both
> ways. May be the Canada customs does not harass the C regestered
> planes and visa a verse, but this has NOTHING to do with N-numbers.
>
> How did they name Canada?
>
> Three of the founding fathers of the frozen hinter lands of the North,
> now
> known as C-A-N-A-D-A where sitting around the table. One said, What
> are we going to name this new country? Another said well lets each pick
> one letter. Than each of the founding Fathers sitting around the table
> picked a letter.
>
> The first person said, C, eh'
> The next said: N, eh'
> and the last person said: D, eh'
>
>
> Cheers George, eh'
>
> P.S.
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I got my QB -8 wings and fuse in April this year, I picked them up at the factory
they are Bonanza, Philippines made, They appear to be excellent quality, I
haven't started working on them yet,.,
Dan
-8
Lake Stevens WA
John Furey <john@fureychrysler.com> wrote:
I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor quality
on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare occurrence? I
have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but don't want it if
the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
John Furey
2 RV6A slow builds
1 RV7 QB (maybe)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
John
I was just at the Van's factory and got a close look at the in coming QBs.
They were all excellent.
I am building a 7A SB and a friend has a QB. Both the wings and the fuse
were done to very high standards.
Frank @ SGU and SLC.........Finishing up the Tip Up Canopy!!!!!!!!!!!
>From: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality
>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I got my QB -8 wings and fuse in April this year, I picked them up at the
>factory they are Bonanza, Philippines made, They appear to be excellent
>quality, I haven't started working on them yet,.,
> Dan
> -8
> Lake Stevens WA
>
>John Furey <john@fureychrysler.com> wrote:
> I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very
>poor quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
>occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but
>don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
>
> John Furey
> 2 RV6A slow builds
> 1 RV7 QB (maybe)
>
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| Subject: | VSI reads backwards |
Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI
for connecting to the static source.
When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
Thanks in advance,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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| Subject: | VSI reads backwards |
I think you need to fly below sea level. Or maybe inverted? I know, you
need to fly in the southern hemisphere.
Seriously, it would seem to be mechanically mis-assembled, as it is hard to
imagine what else would do it. If it were connected to the pitot, it would
misbehave wildly, but not as you describe.
Alex Peterson
RV6-A N66AP 759 hours
Maple Grove, MN
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RGray67968@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards
Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI
for connecting to the static source.
When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
Thanks in advance,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number font |
In a message dated 6/10/2006 4:10:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us
sometime.
==============================
But aren't you guys, like....communists? ;o)
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 795hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
If the port is blocked, and the air pressure is changing within the body
of the instrument...leak in the body or glass face.
jh
RGray67968@aol.com wrote:
> Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of
> the VSI for connecting to the static source.
>
> When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
>
> Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> for the archives
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
RGray67968@aol.com wrote:
> Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of
> the VSI for connecting to the static source.
>
> When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
>
> Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> for the archives
I'm going to tak. a wild guess. You've got the VSI hooked up to the
static port. What's the answer???
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
RGray67968@aol.com wrote:
> Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of
> the VSI for connecting to the static source.
>
> When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
>
> Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> for the archives
Sorry guys! I blew that one. :-( Glad it didn't make the archives!!! :-)
Another rum & coke and I go to sleep!!!
Linn
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--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
John:
Just got home from Golden West Fly-In. The same question was asked to Miles
who was giving the talk for Van's Aircraft. Miles is in charge of QUALITY
on the QB kits. He says he fixes everything that is not perfect. If you
have a problem with quick build quality, give him a call on Monday when he
is back in the office.
As an EAA TC and an AB DAR, I have not seen ANY QB product from Van's that
was not better than what the average first time builder can do. (The QB
products from Van's that I have seen are better quality than what I have
seen done by first time builders.)
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,868 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
Subject: RV-List: Quality
I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor
quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare
occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but
don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience?
John Furey
2 RV6A slow builds
1 RV7 QB (maybe)
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Gary, plenty of commies in Kalifornia also, aren't there :^?
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font
In a message dated 6/10/2006 4:10:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us
sometime.
==============================
But aren't you guys, like....communists? ;o)
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 795hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
Rick, I once had a VSI which about drove me crazy. Turns out I cracked
the case when I installed it in the instrument panel which caused
strange indications.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: RGray67968@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards
Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of
the VSI for connecting to the static source.
When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
Thanks in advance,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
for the archives
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
My RV-6A QB was 10 years ago almost now, but the
workmanship was perfect. Not sure if the same outfit
is doing it, but my understanding is you can't really
beat the quality today.
Paul Besing
--- RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer"
> <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> John:
>
> Just got home from Golden West Fly-In. The same
> question was asked to Miles
> who was giving the talk for Van's Aircraft. Miles
> is in charge of QUALITY
> on the QB kits. He says he fixes everything that is
> not perfect. If you
> have a problem with quick build quality, give him a
> call on Monday when he
> is back in the office.
>
> As an EAA TC and an AB DAR, I have not seen ANY QB
> product from Van's that
> was not better than what the average first time
> builder can do. (The QB
> products from Van's that I have seen are better
> quality than what I have
> seen done by first time builders.)
>
>
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,868 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "John Furey" <john@fureychrysler.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Quality
> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:18:42 -0400
>
> I just read an article in the RV builders hotline
> about some very poor
> quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent
> issue or a rare
> occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in
> the next few weeks but
> don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has
> been your experience?
>
> John Furey
> 2 RV6A slow builds
> 1 RV7 QB (maybe)
>
>
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Plan to head to Oshkosh and have their NOTAM booklet. Hope to arrive around
9 AM Saturday July 22. What can I expect for incoming traffic the day before
Air Venture starts? If I ask for Home Built Parking or HBP, will they send
me to the RV parking area? I'm just a little intimidated reading their
information. Would like to hear from other who have made the trip. Thanks as usual,
Pat
Pat Long
PGLong@aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
Again, this VSI doesn't behave erratically or give 'strange'
indications......it's works as advertised....only it reads sdrawkcab (backwards).
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
Rick, I once had a VSI which about drove me crazy. Turns out I cracked the
case when I installed it in the instrument panel which caused strange
indications.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: _RGray67968@aol.com_ (mailto:RGray67968@aol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards
Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI
for connecting to the static source.
When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa.
Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
Thanks in advance,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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| Subject: | Vent from battery requested |
Hello Listers,
As I am nearing completion and eventual inspection of my -6 I had the DAR
out to have a look under the panel and front area before I install the
sticks and other injury items for laying in there. He suggested I instal
l a
vent from the battery box down out of the plane. He apparently had a bad
experience with an overcharged battery when a charge system ran away.
I have not heard of this before. Does anyone have any experience in this
?
If this is a very rare situation, than it hardly seems necessary. What d
o
you think? Outside of this, he was happy with all my work and gave me lot
s
of pointers of little things to tidy up in the engine area.
Tim
RV-6
N616TB
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
Turn it 180 degrees in your panel!
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Traffic |
Pat
The HBC (homebuilt camping) should be (has been) just west of Van's
commercial exhibit and quite close. You will think you are in the RV
parking area in HBC because of the total number of RV campers.
The arrivals on Saturday will be many but you can do it. Study the NOTAM
booklet and hi-light the pertinent info to arrivals (like radio
frequencies). Then you can fly the plane looking for traffic and be
prepared for the chain of event leading up to the Greatest Spectacle in
Aviation. Nothing like the first time you fly into OSH. Have done it
many times and it still is a high.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Traffic |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
The inbound traffic will not be too bad at 9am on Saturday. It doesn't
get really busy until later that afternoon, and more so on Sunday. Just
follow the Ripon arrival and you'll be fine. And, the show doesn't
start until Monday, so you're two days ahead.
As for signs- yes, have an HBP sign and hold it up to each and every
orange vest you see. When you get in close to the homebuilt parking
area you'll be sorted out by type and parked with the other RVs. It is
not neccessary to have an "RV" sign.
Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee
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| Subject: | Re: VSI reads backwards |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
You have to fly with the wheels side down and the
canopy side up for it to work properly.
Dave
Had the shot and took it:D
--- RGray67968@aol.com wrote:
> Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port
> in the back of the VSI
> for connecting to the static source.
>
> When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's
> descending and visa-versa.
>
> Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> for the archives
>
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| Subject: | That wasted Spark |
It would only be if the sensor for the electronic ignition was mounted at
the front of the crankshaft,
and was triggered each engine rotation would you get that wasted spark.
My E I is triggered by a Hall Effect sensor mounted on the accessory case
,
that is geared
two to one with the crankshaft.
I will not get that Ryton sump destroying Wasted Spark will I.
Am I correct ?
Comments please.
Stan
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| Subject: | Vent from battery requested |
What kind of battery are you going to use? If a flooded lead acid
battery, then a sealed box with drain is a real good idea. If a
recombinant gas battery, like the concord RG series or the Odyssey, you
could hold it down with a strap and it would be fine. RG batteries don't
outgas and don't need vents. They also crank the engine over like a SOB.
Read up here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/rg_bat.html
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: RV-List: Vent from battery requested
Hello Listers,
As I am nearing completion and eventual inspection of my -6 I had the
DAR out to have a look under the panel and front area before I install
the sticks and other injury items for laying in there. He suggested I
install a vent from the battery box down out of the plane. He
apparently had a bad experience with an overcharged battery when a
charge system ran away.
I have not heard of this before. Does anyone have any experience in
this? If this is a very rare situation, than it hardly seems necessary.
What do you think? Outside of this, he was happy with all my work and
gave me lots of pointers of little things to tidy up in the engine area.
Tim
RV-6
N616TB
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