---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/11/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:48 AM - Re: Quality (Steve Glasgow) 2. 05:31 AM - Re: Quality (Vern W.) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: Quality (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: N-Number font () 5. 08:53 AM - Re: N-Number font (John Huft) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: Quality (Dan) 7. 03:20 PM - Re: Quality (Frank Stringham) 8. 04:20 PM - VSI reads backwards (RGray67968@aol.com) 9. 04:36 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Alex Peterson) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: N-Number font (Vanremog@aol.com) 11. 04:52 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (John Huft) 12. 05:01 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (linn Walters) 13. 05:02 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (linn Walters) 14. 05:05 PM - Re: Quality (RV6 Flyer) 15. 05:23 PM - Re: N-Number font (Alex Peterson) 16. 05:47 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Ed Anderson) 17. 06:08 PM - Re: Quality (Paul Besing) 18. 07:03 PM - Oshkosh Traffic (PGLong@aol.com) 19. 07:21 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (RGray67968@aol.com) 20. 07:35 PM - Vent from battery requested (Tim Bryan) 21. 08:02 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Dale Ensing) 22. 08:02 PM - Re: Oshkosh Traffic (Dale Ensing) 23. 08:18 PM - Re: Oshkosh Traffic (Jeff Point) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: VSI reads backwards (Dave Nellis) 25. 10:27 PM - That wasted Spark (Stan Jones) 26. 10:55 PM - Re: Vent from battery requested (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:51 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality For what its worth, my wings were delivered damaged. After a call to Vans and an e-mail with a picture to Scott I returned them and they were fixed. No charge. Steve Glasgow-Cappy N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:51 AM PST US From: "Vern W." Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality John, My QB wings and fuse arrived together a couple of years ago and I confess I had some misgivings about what to expect concerning the quality of the build. I have to tell you that I was pleasantly amazed at what I saw, and I have yet to see a SB kit that was assembled and riveted as straight and with any more attention to detail than my parts were. What I found with my QB kit has been what I have read from others to find the same, so if there's a bad one out there, it's the exception rather than the rule. Vern On 6/10/06, John Furey wrote: > > I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor > quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare > occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but > don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience? > > John Furey > 2 RV6A slow builds > 1 RV7 QB (maybe) > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:48 AM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" I received my RV6-A QB in Jan. 2000 and the quality of assembly was "Top Shelf!" The RV flies hands off with absolutely no adjustment including not needing rudder trim. I am building an F1-Rocket now so my RV6-A will have a hanger mate. The F1 will also be a quick build. Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Tondu" Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality > --> RV-List message posted by: Walter Tondu > > On 06/10 10:18, John Furey wrote: > > > I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very > > poor > > quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare > > occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks > > but > > don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your > > experience? > > Hi John, > > Mine are fantastic quality. Zero complaints. Well except for the fact > that > they pre-drill for vans pitot tube, but you can fill that with a steel > snap > fitting. > > Now the shipping was a different story. The crate was destroyed on one > end > and there was some scuffing of the wing skins since the wings were a bit > loose. > But overall the structure was fine, just buff it out. > > I've watched and helped another builder build his wings. I'm glad I > didn't > have to do it, twice, booooorrrriiinnngggggg. :) > > -- > Walter Tondu > http://www.rv7-a.com > Flying! > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font Yea the US sucks, lets complain about the US again. Please there are jerk Customs on both side. I have crossed the US/Can border 100's of times when I was a commuter pilot. Trust me it goes both ways. May be the Canada customs does not harass the C regestered planes and visa a verse, but this has NOTHING to do with N-numbers. How did they name Canada? Three of the founding fathers of the frozen hinter lands of the North, now known as C-A-N-A-D-A where sitting around the table. One said, What are we going to name this new country? Another said well lets each pick one letter. Than each of the founding Fathers sitting around the table picked a letter. The first person said, C, eh' The next said: N, eh' and the last person said: D, eh' Cheers George, eh' P.S. Lets shut up about small N-numbers, my plane does 207 mph (less than 180kts) wink wink nod nod. Lets not ask the question you don't want the answer to, please. >From: "Terry Watson" >posted by: "Terry Watson" > >Kevin, > >Flying TO Canada is easy; it's getting back through U.S. Customs that >has been an aggravation, to say the least, as both Jerry and I have >experienced. But you know that. > >Terry Do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:16 AM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft Now you've done it. From now on, I will refer to nose wheel RVs as Canadian RVs. john gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > Yea the US sucks, lets complain about the US again. Please there > are jerk Customs on both side. I have crossed the US/Can border > 100's of times when I was a commuter pilot. Trust me it goes both > ways. May be the Canada customs does not harass the C regestered > planes and visa a verse, but this has NOTHING to do with N-numbers. > > How did they name Canada? > > Three of the founding fathers of the frozen hinter lands of the North, > now > known as C-A-N-A-D-A where sitting around the table. One said, What > are we going to name this new country? Another said well lets each pick > one letter. Than each of the founding Fathers sitting around the table > picked a letter. > > The first person said, C, eh' > The next said: N, eh' > and the last person said: D, eh' > > > Cheers George, eh' > > P.S. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:03 AM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality I got my QB -8 wings and fuse in April this year, I picked them up at the factory they are Bonanza, Philippines made, They appear to be excellent quality, I haven't started working on them yet,., Dan -8 Lake Stevens WA John Furey wrote: I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience? John Furey 2 RV6A slow builds 1 RV7 QB (maybe) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:01 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" John I was just at the Van's factory and got a close look at the in coming QBs. They were all excellent. I am building a 7A SB and a friend has a QB. Both the wings and the fuse were done to very high standards. Frank @ SGU and SLC.........Finishing up the Tip Up Canopy!!!!!!!!!!! >From: Dan >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Quality >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) > >I got my QB -8 wings and fuse in April this year, I picked them up at the >factory they are Bonanza, Philippines made, They appear to be excellent >quality, I haven't started working on them yet,., > Dan > -8 > Lake Stevens WA > >John Furey wrote: > I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very >poor quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare >occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but >don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience? > > John Furey > 2 RV6A slow builds > 1 RV7 QB (maybe) > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:30 PM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI for connecting to the static source. When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? Thanks in advance, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm for the archives ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:42 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: VSI reads backwards I think you need to fly below sea level. Or maybe inverted? I know, you need to fly in the southern hemisphere. Seriously, it would seem to be mechanically mis-assembled, as it is hard to imagine what else would do it. If it were connected to the pitot, it would misbehave wildly, but not as you describe. Alex Peterson RV6-A N66AP 759 hours Maple Grove, MN _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RGray67968@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI for connecting to the static source. When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? Thanks in advance, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm for the archives ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:44 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font In a message dated 6/10/2006 4:10:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, khorton01@rogers.com writes: You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us sometime. ============================== But aren't you guys, like....communists? ;o) GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 795hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:02 PM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards If the port is blocked, and the air pressure is changing within the body of the instrument...leak in the body or glass face. jh RGray67968@aol.com wrote: > Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of > the VSI for connecting to the static source. > > When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. > > Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? > > Thanks in advance, > Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm > for the archives ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:54 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards RGray67968@aol.com wrote: > Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of > the VSI for connecting to the static source. > > When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. > > Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? > > Thanks in advance, > Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm > for the archives I'm going to tak. a wild guess. You've got the VSI hooked up to the static port. What's the answer??? Linn do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:16 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards RGray67968@aol.com wrote: > Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of > the VSI for connecting to the static source. > > When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. > > Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? > > Thanks in advance, > Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm > for the archives Sorry guys! I blew that one. :-( Glad it didn't make the archives!!! :-) Another rum & coke and I go to sleep!!! Linn do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:38 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Quality --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" John: Just got home from Golden West Fly-In. The same question was asked to Miles who was giving the talk for Van's Aircraft. Miles is in charge of QUALITY on the QB kits. He says he fixes everything that is not perfect. If you have a problem with quick build quality, give him a call on Monday when he is back in the office. As an EAA TC and an AB DAR, I have not seen ANY QB product from Van's that was not better than what the average first time builder can do. (The QB products from Van's that I have seen are better quality than what I have seen done by first time builders.) Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,868 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: Quality I just read an article in the RV builders hotline about some very poor quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent issue or a rare occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in the next few weeks but don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has been your experience? John Furey 2 RV6A slow builds 1 RV7 QB (maybe) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:02 PM PST US From: "Alex Peterson" Subject: RE: RV-List: N-Number font Gary, plenty of commies in Kalifornia also, aren't there :^? do not archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: N-Number font In a message dated 6/10/2006 4:10:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, khorton01@rogers.com writes: You don't fly through an ADIZ to come up to Canada. Come visit us sometime. ============================== But aren't you guys, like....communists? ;o) GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 795hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:03 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Rick, I once had a VSI which about drove me crazy. Turns out I cracked the case when I installed it in the instrument panel which caused strange indications. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: RGray67968@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI for connecting to the static source. When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? Thanks in advance, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm for the archives ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:18 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RE: RV-List: Quality --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing My RV-6A QB was 10 years ago almost now, but the workmanship was perfect. Not sure if the same outfit is doing it, but my understanding is you can't really beat the quality today. Paul Besing --- RV6 Flyer wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > > John: > > Just got home from Golden West Fly-In. The same > question was asked to Miles > who was giving the talk for Van's Aircraft. Miles > is in charge of QUALITY > on the QB kits. He says he fixes everything that is > not perfect. If you > have a problem with quick build quality, give him a > call on Monday when he > is back in the office. > > As an EAA TC and an AB DAR, I have not seen ANY QB > product from Van's that > was not better than what the average first time > builder can do. (The QB > products from Van's that I have seen are better > quality than what I have > seen done by first time builders.) > > > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,868 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John Furey" > To: > Subject: RV-List: Quality > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:18:42 -0400 > > I just read an article in the RV builders hotline > about some very poor > quality on quick build wings. Is this a prevalent > issue or a rare > occurrence? I have a 7 QB that is to be shipped in > the next few weeks but > don't want it if the workmanship is bad. What has > been your experience? > > John Furey > 2 RV6A slow builds > 1 RV7 QB (maybe) > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:34 PM PST US From: PGLong@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh Traffic Plan to head to Oshkosh and have their NOTAM booklet. Hope to arrive around 9 AM Saturday July 22. What can I expect for incoming traffic the day before Air Venture starts? If I ask for Home Built Parking or HBP, will they send me to the RV parking area? I'm just a little intimidated reading their information. Would like to hear from other who have made the trip. Thanks as usual, Pat Pat Long PGLong@aol.com N120PL RV4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:12 PM PST US From: RGray67968@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Again, this VSI doesn't behave erratically or give 'strange' indications......it's works as advertised....only it reads sdrawkcab (backwards). Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm Rick, I once had a VSI which about drove me crazy. Turns out I cracked the case when I installed it in the instrument panel which caused strange indications. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: _RGray67968@aol.com_ (mailto:RGray67968@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port in the back of the VSI for connecting to the static source. When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's descending and visa-versa. Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? Thanks in advance, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm for the archives ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:37 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Vent from battery requested Hello Listers, As I am nearing completion and eventual inspection of my -6 I had the DAR out to have a look under the panel and front area before I install the sticks and other injury items for laying in there. He suggested I instal l a vent from the battery box down out of the plane. He apparently had a bad experience with an overcharged battery when a charge system ran away. I have not heard of this before. Does anyone have any experience in this ? If this is a very rare situation, than it hardly seems necessary. What d o you think? Outside of this, he was happy with all my work and gave me lot s of pointers of little things to tidy up in the engine area. Tim RV-6 N616TB ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:25 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards Turn it 180 degrees in your panel! Dale ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:26 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Traffic Pat The HBC (homebuilt camping) should be (has been) just west of Van's commercial exhibit and quite close. You will think you are in the RV parking area in HBC because of the total number of RV campers. The arrivals on Saturday will be many but you can do it. Study the NOTAM booklet and hi-light the pertinent info to arrivals (like radio frequencies). Then you can fly the plane looking for traffic and be prepared for the chain of event leading up to the Greatest Spectacle in Aviation. Nothing like the first time you fly into OSH. Have done it many times and it still is a high. Dale do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:24 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Oshkosh Traffic --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point The inbound traffic will not be too bad at 9am on Saturday. It doesn't get really busy until later that afternoon, and more so on Sunday. Just follow the Ripon arrival and you'll be fine. And, the show doesn't start until Monday, so you're two days ahead. As for signs- yes, have an HBP sign and hold it up to each and every orange vest you see. When you get in close to the homebuilt parking area you'll be sorted out by type and parked with the other RVs. It is not neccessary to have an "RV" sign. Jeff Point RV-6 Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:08 PM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: VSI reads backwards --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis You have to fly with the wheels side down and the canopy side up for it to work properly. Dave Had the shot and took it:D --- RGray67968@aol.com wrote: > Why would a VSI read backwards? There is only 1 port > in the back of the VSI > for connecting to the static source. > > When the plane goes 'up' the VSI says it's > descending and visa-versa. > > Can this be repaired or reversed to read properly? > > Thanks in advance, > Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm > for the archives > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:29 PM PST US From: "Stan Jones" Subject: RV-List: That wasted Spark It would only be if the sensor for the electronic ignition was mounted at the front of the crankshaft, and was triggered each engine rotation would you get that wasted spark. My E I is triggered by a Hall Effect sensor mounted on the accessory case , that is geared two to one with the crankshaft. I will not get that Ryton sump destroying Wasted Spark will I. Am I correct ? Comments please. Stan ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:19 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Vent from battery requested What kind of battery are you going to use? If a flooded lead acid battery, then a sealed box with drain is a real good idea. If a recombinant gas battery, like the concord RG series or the Odyssey, you could hold it down with a strap and it would be fine. RG batteries don't outgas and don't need vents. They also crank the engine over like a SOB. Read up here: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/rg_bat.html Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Vent from battery requested Hello Listers, As I am nearing completion and eventual inspection of my -6 I had the DAR out to have a look under the panel and front area before I install the sticks and other injury items for laying in there. He suggested I install a vent from the battery box down out of the plane. He apparently had a bad experience with an overcharged battery when a charge system ran away. I have not heard of this before. Does anyone have any experience in this? If this is a very rare situation, than it hardly seems necessary. What do you think? Outside of this, he was happy with all my work and gave me lots of pointers of little things to tidy up in the engine area. Tim RV-6 N616TB