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1. 02:27 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Kevin Horton)
2. 02:59 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Jim Sears)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox for partial trade (Sportypilot)
4. 04:44 AM - Re: DC Load Centers (Dale Ensing)
5. 04:58 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Ron Schreck)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: OSH Parking Comments (gert)
7. 06:14 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Darrell)
8. 06:26 AM - FW: Missile Balloons (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 06:32 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Bob)
10. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Vern W.)
11. 06:37 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Finn Lassen)
12. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Vincent Osburn)
13. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Charlie Kuss)
14. 07:12 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (linn Walters)
15. 07:17 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Darrell Reiley)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
17. 07:31 AM - Re: OSH Parking Comments (Larry Bowen)
18. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (linn Walters)
19. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (linn Walters)
20. 07:45 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Tony Marshall)
21. 08:05 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Konrad L. Werner)
22. 08:11 AM - Fuel transport was Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Charlie Kuss)
23. 09:12 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Gary Lineberry)
24. 09:13 AM - Re: GPS antenna firewall quick connect (Terry Watson)
25. 09:20 AM - More OSH arrival and parking stuff (Michael)
26. 09:52 AM - Test (Darrell Reiley)
27. 10:00 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Konrad L. Werner)
28. 10:12 AM - ()
29. 10:27 AM - Re: Source of inexpensive 17AH battery (Konrad L. Werner)
30. 10:37 AM - Re: Test (Tim Bryan)
31. 10:46 AM - Re: Test (Matt Dralle)
32. 11:01 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Paul Besing)
33. 11:27 AM - Re: Tiedowns? (Konrad L. Werner)
34. 11:37 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Charlie Kuss)
35. 11:54 AM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (low pass)
36. 12:36 PM - Re: Fuel Injected - or Not (Mickey Coggins)
37. 02:09 PM - Contruction videos (bertrv6@highstream.net)
38. 02:20 PM - wanted Sensenich metal prop (RV6ator@aol.com)
39. 03:06 PM - Re: Test (Darrell Reiley)
40. 03:06 PM - Test one more time (Darrell Reiley)
41. 03:12 PM - Re: GPS antenna firewall quick connect (Richard McBride)
42. 03:38 PM - Tiedowns (Darrell Reiley)
43. 03:51 PM - Re: Tiedowns (Konrad L. Werner)
44. 04:00 PM - Re: Tiedowns (Tony Marshall)
45. 04:54 PM - Re: Tiedowns (Darrell Reiley)
46. 06:54 PM - Re: Tiedowns (Konrad L. Werner)
47. 09:18 PM - Re: GPS antenna firewall quick connect (Terry Watson)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 13 Jun 2006, at 23:25, Ron Lee wrote:
>>
>> Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
>> Albert Gardner
>> Yuma, AZ
>
> Something like Randy Simpson but I have read lots of negative posts
> about non-delivery of product. Verify using the archive.
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Beware_Randy_Simpson
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
>> Blitz keeps touting that they've never documented a fire starting from
>> static using one of their red cans. I refuel from a 32 gal.
polypropylene barrel using a 12Vdc pump. I have a ground cable attached to
the pump (and 12V) ground that I clip on my exhaust pipes when pumping my
own mogas. I also use the clip to attach the ground to the pump handle when
I fill it at the gas station. And, before you ask, no, it's not approved by
the NY fire Dept, and yes, it's a violation of the law.<<
I have a couple of nice polypropylene barrels; but, I've never used them. I
use the red 5 gallon cans because the barrels were going to be more
inconvenient to use. My truck's topper gets in the way of anything larger.
I don't want to have to pull a trailer, either. Anyway, I've read a couple
of stories on the list about fires from pouring gas from cans. I've been
pouring gas into my airplanes for 20 years, into mowers for many more years,
etc.. At no time have I grounded my cans to the item being filled other
than maybe holding the nozzle to the filler hole while pouring the fuel. So
far, I've not encountered a fire. Am I lucky? Maybe; but, I have yet to
win the lottery. Wait a minute, one has to spend money on a lottery ticket
to win that. :-)
I know accidents can happen; but, millions of the little red cans have been
in use for many years. As old as I am, I've had the little red cans around
for as long as I can remember. Other than what I've read on this list, I've
never heard of anyone having a fire by pouring fuel from one of the little
cans into anything. To me, that means the risk is so small, and the
incidents so isolated, that I'd be better off worrying about not overfilling
the tank and making a mess.
I do touch the nozzle to the tank to bleed off anything that might be there,
especially in winter when the air is dry; but, I'm not going to get bent out
of shape worrying about starting a fire by pouring gas into my airplane.
Call me stupid, if you wish. You can join others who do. :-) I'm just
reporting my experiences with it.
Jim Sears in KY
EAA Tech Counselor
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox for partial trade |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
send me some pictures.. I love those planes..
Danny..
----- Original Message -----
From: "RaNDY Frost" <jamesrfrost@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RV-List: RE: Kitfox for partial trade
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RaNDY Frost" <jamesrfrost@hotmail.com>
>
> Jeff: I have a Kitfox 3 and thought I had a deal to trade it with money
> for a RV-4 but it fell thru. I'm still trying to get an RV. I have
> photos if interested.
>
> Randy 678-859-1861
>
>
>>From: flamini2 <flamini2@comcast.net>
>>To: "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-6 Chicago area for sale
>>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:15:20 -0500
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: flamini2 <flamini2@comcast.net>
>>
>>*RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net
>><mailto:shempdowling2@earthlink.net?subject=Re:%20RV-6%20Chicago%20area%20for%20sale&replyto=01a801c65be4$d89fa4d0$b055d946@Shemp>>
>>
>>What airport?
>>
>>Jeff, It's at C56 the old Sanger Airport about 25nm South of MDW (Midway
>>Chicago).
>>The airport was sold to Bult Corp. and will be closed 7/1/06 for new
>>runway and hangers
>>and the land is also being fought over by the third Chicago Airport
>>people.
>>The registration is N405PP.
>>The owner, Paul Pressler is the builder and a true metal craftsman, you
>>should see his tools!
>>Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dennis Flamini" <flamini2@comcast.net
>><mailto:flamini2@comcast.net?subject=Re:%20RV-6%20Chicago%20area%20for%20sale&replyto=01a801c65be4$d89fa4d0$b055d946@Shemp>>
>>To: <rv-list-digest@matronics.com
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>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:03 PM
>>Subject: RV-6 Chicago area for sale
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>> > For sale RV-6 tilt-up in Chicago area;
>> > Approx 300hrs TT
>> > 150hp not H2AD major OH at 0hrs
>> > Warnake wood prop
>> > Com, Transponder, GPS, Gyros, Intercom
>> > Perfect rivits, no bondo
>> > $50,000 firm
>> > You guys know the parts cost this much, you get 5 years labor for free!
>> > Call Paul at 708-534-3042 after 6pm
>> > see the photo section of;
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| Subject: | Re: DC Load Centers |
Regarding The Control Vision load center..........
have been flying with it for 1 1/2 years with no problems. My experience
with it is good!
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of money.
I have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at KSPA.
If you live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to
Don for an afternoon of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI
education by his small but very professional staff. Four of them spent
the better part of an afternoon precisely balancing my system. It took
four test hops and they even provided the data recorder in the back
seat! I don't know how you could do the job on a test stand and I don't
know why it should cost $1000.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
From: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
The original poster is deciding on whether to order his new engine
with or
without FI, not convert an existing engine.
I don't know about Aerosport, but I bought a brand new TMX-IO360
w/Airflow
Performance FI from Mattituck (it arrived just last week) and the
differenc
e
in price BETWEEN the standard carb engine and going to the AFP FI
was only
$700.
For me, that was a no brainer going with the FI at that price
difference
because of the already mentioned advantages. In fact, I went one
step
further and paid the additional $1000 for the "Flow Matching"
option that
gives you the ability to lean very exactingly by the engines
ability to kee
p
all four cylinders running at the same fuel flow.
So even at the additional $1700 for the way I went, it was still a
no
brainer.
I admit that if were actually flying with a carbed engine, I would
probably
seriously wonder if I wanted to spend more than $3000 to change it
over, bu
t
that's not an issue with a brand new engine order.
Vern
RV7-A
Houston, TX
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Parking Comments |
--> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Larry
we generally, flow permitting, will let u do a run-up, if u need to.
(talking for my area, coming out of RV land) Just stick u index finger
in the air and describe a fast circle, we'll try and point u where the
prop blast won't do any damage. U would not be the first one we park in
the entrance to the warbird area to do a run-up.
Having said that, we are apprehensive of letting folks do run-up's because
A: they become situational unaware, let go off brakes and start rolling
with head in cockpit,
B: they will take this time to sort maps, set radio's, yack with pax, etc.
We can't allow that on our busy taxiways, we can pull u off in the grass
if u really have to STILL do this. Of course, U are all set except for
the run-up/mag check, correct?
So, if u need to do a run-up/mag check before take-off , signal us, we
will accommodate, if u need to prep u plane, set radio's, etc etc etc,
expect a lot of angry faces.
Stop by and say HI, i work at the intersection by the
warbirds/trimotor/demo area or stop by for a beer at nite, we're at the
childrens pavilion by the red barn.
Gert
Larry Bowen wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> A suggestion for EAA/FAA regarding the departure procedures -
>
> If a departure briefing is required, or nearly so, it needs to be state it
> more clearly in the NOTAM. I was one of many who tried to leave without a
> briefing sheet last year (my first as PIC), and was briefed at the hold
> short line with the engine running. I chose not to get a briefing because I
> already had a thorough understanding of the departure procedures in the
> NOTAM, the wx was great, I had no questions, and it wasn't required.
>
> Also, address the run-up. I've seen orange shirts waving off some poor,
> conscientious guy trying to do a run-up somewhere, anywhere, on the way to
> the departure area. Put the policies/guidelines/restrictions in the NOTAM.
> My searches on this topic in NOTAM returned nothing.
>
> Thanks for you volunteer efforts and keep up the great work.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wheeler North [mailto:wnorth@sdccd.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:16 PM
>> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>> Subject: RV-List: OSH Parking Comments
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>
>> Just a few reminders for all of you going to OSH this year.
>>
>>
> [snip]
>
>> Make sure you get a briefing before you depart and keep the
>> brief sheet or you will be stopped and briefed when you get
>> to the runway. This is very disconcerting to have happen just
>> before takeoff and I have seen many pilots have to abort
>> because they got rattled and forgot something like a canopy
>> latch. This of course means they get back in line and do it
>> all over again.
>>
>> And always remember, no matter how bad it gets, if they are
>> wearing an orange vest they aren't getting paid. Just like
>> you, they are out there trying to have a good time. They may
>> not know everything so help them learn, and help them help you.
>>
>> W
>>
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I have a "NEW" Titanium tie-down set with storage bag for sale.
$95.00 plus shipping to you zip code.
Darrell
Albert Gardner <ibspud@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | FW: Missile Balloons |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
These are fricking sweet. I wish I knew where to get some.
And how cool would it be to tie one to the tail of your airplane and fly
past the control tower? The Homeland Security guys would soil their
pants.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: bfrazier
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Missle Balloons
Dad, you definitely need these for your truck.
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17842
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
If you want to fly inverted aerobatics, then fuel injection is the way
to go.
On the other hand, hot starts and vapor lock are a pain.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Injected - or Not
Indecision is the key to flexibility. One of the great things about
building an airplane: it's ok to change one's mind.
I'm about at the engine ordering stage for my RV-8A QB. I have done a
lot of research and thought I had made a rationale, educated decision -
a new 180 hp horizontal induction fuel injected engine from Aerosport.
However, a buddy casually posed the question: "Why fuel injection?" and
I realized that other than the fact it seemed newer and sexier, I had no
compelling answer as to why fuel injection might be worth the additional
cost and pump installation complexity.
I live in the Mojave (Ridgecrest, CA); carb icing isn't a compelling
driver.
So a question for all you old hands out there - Is fuel injection
really worth the extra several thousand bucks? Why or why not?
Also, does anyone know of any document that shows an in depth analysis
of why or why not?
Paul Valovich
Booger
-8A QB
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
The $1000 option charge is for "Port, Flow Match, Combustion Equalization"
For me, I wanted a turn-key engine that was literally ready to fly
(Mattituck even installed the two P-mags I sent them and did the factory
run-in with them adjusted and installed).
So, first, I didn't want to take delivery on my new engine and have to keep
working on it, and second, it may be possible that the $1000 pays for more
than just installing matched injectors.
Either way, I'm happy.
Mahlon from Mattituck sometimes frequents this forum so perhaps he could
jump in and describe exactly what's done for the $1000 "Flow Matching"
option that might be different than just changing out an injector or two.
Vern
RV7-A
Houston, TX
On 6/14/06, Ron Schreck <ronschreck@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of money. I
> have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at KSPA. If you
> live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to Don for an
> afternoon of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI education by his small
> but very professional staff. Four of them spent the better part of an
> afternoon precisely balancing my system. It took four test hops and they
> even provided the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know how you
> could do the job on a test stand and I don't know why it should cost $1000.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen <finn.lassen@verizon.net>
I would e-mail him and ask about availability and/or lead times.
I ordered two sets at different times and they both arrived within a
week after ordering, as far as I recall.
He may be making them in batches, so depending on when you order you may
receive them instantly or after quite a wait.
If he says he doesn't have them "in stock" ready to ship, you could ask
him to e-mail you when he does and them place your order.
Finn
Kevin Horton wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> On 13 Jun 2006, at 23:25, Ron Lee wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
>>> Albert Gardner
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> Something like Randy Simpson but I have read lots of negative posts
>> about non-delivery of product. Verify using the archive.
>
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/article.php?story=Beware_Randy_Simpson
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
I am no expert at anything but here goes.....
Flow matching to the cylinders is done on a bench with each individual cylinder
before assembly. "Flows" are compared and matched so that all are the same
or as near the same as possible. Every cylinder port being somewhat different
typically. In automotive racing the ports are ground (with a die grinder) and
in some cases even welded to achieve better flow, comparing the CFM (cubic feet
per minute) "flow" by sucking air through the intake ports and or blasting air
out the exhaust ports.
Now is that what your friends at AFP did for $300.00? I don't think so.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
Sent: 6/14/2006 5:06:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of money. I have
AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at KSPA. If you live anywhere
near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to Don for an afternoon
of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI education by his small but very professional
staff. Four of them spent the better part of an afternoon precisely
balancing my system. It took four test hops and they even provided the data
recorder in the back seat! I don't know how you could do the job on a test
stand and I don't know why it should cost $1000.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
From: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
The original poster is deciding on whether to order his new engine with or
without FI, not convert an existing engine.
I don't know about Aerosport, but I bought a brand new TMX-IO360 w/Airflow
Performance FI from Mattituck (it arrived just last week) and the differenc
e
in price BETWEEN the standard carb engine and going to the AFP FI was only
$700.
For me, that was a no brainer going with the FI at that price difference
because of the already mentioned advantages. In fact, I went one step
further and paid the additional $1000 for the "Flow Matching" option that
gives you the ability to lean very exactingly by the engines ability to kee
p
all four cylinders running at the same fuel flow.
So even at the additional $1700 for the way I went, it was still a no
brainer.
I admit that if were actually flying with a carbed engine, I would probably
seriously wonder if I wanted to spend more than $3000 to change it over,
bu
t
that's not an issue with a brand new engine order.
Vern
RV7-A
Houston, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Ron,
I suspect that the "flow matching" that Vern referred to was a
"port and polish" job on the intake and exhaust ports of all 4 of his
cylinder heads. They probably also "CCed" the combustion chambers.
What that means, is that the modified the combustion chambers to all
have the same volume. This is typically measured using a chemist's
burette [marked in cubic centimeters (cc) ]. Considering that
Lycoming cylinder heads are screwed onto the cylinders (as opposed to
cylinders bolted to heads with a gasket in between on most engines),
this would be more work than doing it on most engines. This "CCing"
insures that the compression ratio is exactly equal between all cylinders.
This sort of extra work is done on all "serious" automotive
engines. The Reno racers also resort to this stuff to extract every
last bit of power from their engines. This sort of work also improves
idle smoothness.
Part of the reason you needed to have your fuel injectors flow
balanced was to compensate for production variations in the items
mentioned above. Other variations are casting flaws in the sump,
differing intake tube lengths and bends. The intake system on
parallel valve Lycomings looks like something built by a
plumber. Continental systems are even worse.
Charlie Kuss
>Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of
>money. I have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to
>AFP at KSPA. If you live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth
>the $300 I paid to Don for an afternoon of flight testing, nozzle
>balancing and FI education by his small but very professional
>staff. Four of them spent the better part of an afternoon precisely
>balancing my system. It took four test hops and they even provided
>the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know how you could do
>the job on a test stand and I don't know why it should cost $1000.
>
>Ron Schreck
>RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
>Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>From: "Vern W." <<mailto:highflight1@gmail.com>highflight1@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
>
> The original poster is deciding on whether to order his new
> engine with or
> without FI, not convert an existing engine.
> I don't know about Aerosport, but I bought a brand new
> TMX-IO360 w/Airflow
> Performance FI from Mattituck (it arrived just last week) and
> the differenc
> e
> in price BETWEEN the standard carb engine and going to the
> AFP FI was only
> $700.
>
> For me, that was a no brainer going with the FI at that price
> difference
> because of the already mentioned advantages. In fact, I went one step
> further and paid the additional $1000 for the "Flow Matching"
> option that
> gives you the ability to lean very exactingly by the engines
> ability to kee
> p
> all four cylinders running at the same fuel flow.
>
> So even at the additional $1700 for the way I went, it was still a no
> brainer.
>
> I admit that if were actually flying with a carbed engine, I
> would probably
> seriously wonder if I wanted to spend more than $3000 to
> change it over, bu
> t
> that's not an issue with a brand new engine order.
>
> Vern
> RV7-A
> Houston, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Ed Holyoke wrote:
> If you're serious about having fuel injection for inverted flight,
> don't forget the flop tube and inverted oil setup. The latter will
> cost you some pounds and dollars and space on the firewall.
>
>
>
> Pax,
>
>
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
Yeah, but if you're serious about really wild unusual attitudes, it's
well worth it!!! It would be a shame to find out you really like
getting 'out of shape' only to find that your mount keeps cutting your
fun short!
Linn
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I have a "NEW" Titanium tie-down complete set with storage bag for sale.
$95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
Darrell
Albert Gardner <ibspud@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Except that he specifically mentioned "ability to lean very exactingly
by the engines ability to keep all four cylinders running at the same
fuel flow."
Perhaps he got both, air flow port and polish & fuel flow nozzle
matching.. But I doubt it.
Not even sure how it could be done with out bench running, and even then
Im not sure how effective that would be as installations differ so
drastically.
Mike
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
Ron,
I suspect that the "flow matching" that Vern referred to was a "port
and polish" job on the intake and exhaust ports of all 4 of his cylinder
heads. They probably also "CCed" the combustion chambers. What that
means, is that the modified the combustion chambers to all have the same
volume. This is typically measured using a chemist's burette [marked in
cubic centimeters (cc) ]. Considering that Lycoming cylinder heads are
screwed onto the cylinders (as opposed to cylinders bolted to heads with
a gasket in between on most engines), this would be more work than doing
it on most engines. This "CCing" insures that the compression ratio is
exactly equal between all cylinders.
This sort of extra work is done on all "serious" automotive engines.
The Reno racers also resort to this stuff to extract every last bit of
power from their engines. This sort of work also improves idle
smoothness.
Part of the reason you needed to have your fuel injectors flow balanced
was to compensate for production variations in the items mentioned
above. Other variations are casting flaws in the sump, differing intake
tube lengths and bends. The intake system on parallel valve Lycomings
looks like something built by a plumber. Continental systems are even
worse.
Charlie Kuss
Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of money.
I have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at KSPA.
If you live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to
Don for an afternoon of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI
education by his small but very professional staff. Four of them spent
the better part of an afternoon precisely balancing my system. It took
four test hops and they even provided the data recorder in the back
seat! I don't know how you could do the job on a test stand and I don't
know why it should cost $1000.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
From: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com >
Subject: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
The original poster is deciding on whether to order his new engine
with or
without FI, not convert an existing engine.
I don't know about Aerosport, but I bought a brand new TMX-IO360
w/Airflow
Performance FI from Mattituck (it arrived just last week) and the
differenc
e
in price BETWEEN the standard carb engine and going to the AFP FI
was only
$700.
For me, that was a no brainer going with the FI at that price
difference
because of the already mentioned advantages. In fact, I went one
step
further and paid the additional $1000 for the "Flow Matching"
option that
gives you the ability to lean very exactingly by the engines
ability to kee
p
all four cylinders running at the same fuel flow.
So even at the additional $1700 for the way I went, it was still a
no
brainer.
I admit that if were actually flying with a carbed engine, I would
probably
seriously wonder if I wanted to spend more than $3000 to change it
over, bu
t
that's not an issue with a brand new engine order.
Vern
RV7-A
Houston, TX
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Parking Comments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Thanks for the details. The primary point I was trying to make was these
two topics are missing or lacking in the NOTAMS.
I'll look for you at the show!
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
gert wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi Larry
>
> we generally, flow permitting, will let u do a run-up, if u need to.
> (talking for my area, coming out of RV land) Just stick u index finger
> in the air and describe a fast circle, we'll try and point u where the
> prop blast won't do any damage. U would not be the first one we park in
> the entrance to the warbird area to do a run-up.
>
> Having said that, we are apprehensive of letting folks do run-up's because
> A: they become situational unaware, let go off brakes and start rolling
> with head in cockpit,
> B: they will take this time to sort maps, set radio's, yack with pax, etc.
>
> We can't allow that on our busy taxiways, we can pull u off in the grass
> if u really have to STILL do this. Of course, U are all set except for
> the run-up/mag check, correct?
>
> So, if u need to do a run-up/mag check before take-off , signal us, we
> will accommodate, if u need to prep u plane, set radio's, etc etc etc,
> expect a lot of angry faces.
>
> Stop by and say HI, i work at the intersection by the
> warbirds/trimotor/demo area or stop by for a beer at nite, we're at the
> childrens pavilion by the red barn.
>
> Gert
>
>
> Larry Bowen wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>>
>> A suggestion for EAA/FAA regarding the departure procedures -
>>
>> If a departure briefing is required, or nearly so, it needs to be state
>> it
>> more clearly in the NOTAM. I was one of many who tried to leave without
>> a
>> briefing sheet last year (my first as PIC), and was briefed at the hold
>> short line with the engine running. I chose not to get a briefing
>> because I
>> already had a thorough understanding of the departure procedures in the
>> NOTAM, the wx was great, I had no questions, and it wasn't required.
>>
>> Also, address the run-up. I've seen orange shirts waving off some poor,
>> conscientious guy trying to do a run-up somewhere, anywhere, on the way
>> to
>> the departure area. Put the policies/guidelines/restrictions in the
>> NOTAM.
>> My searches on this topic in NOTAM returned nothing.
>>
>> Thanks for you volunteer efforts and keep up the great work.
>>
>> -
>> Larry Bowen
>> Larry@BowenAero.com
>> http://BowenAero.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Wheeler North [mailto:wnorth@sdccd.edu]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:16 PM
>>> To: 'rv-list@matronics.com'
>>> Subject: RV-List: OSH Parking Comments
>>>
>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>>>
>>> Just a few reminders for all of you going to OSH this year.
>>>
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Make sure you get a briefing before you depart and keep the
>>> brief sheet or you will be stopped and briefed when you get
>>> to the runway. This is very disconcerting to have happen just
>>> before takeoff and I have seen many pilots have to abort
>>> because they got rattled and forgot something like a canopy
>>> latch. This of course means they get back in line and do it
>>> all over again.
>>>
>>> And always remember, no matter how bad it gets, if they are
>>> wearing an orange vest they aren't getting paid. Just like
>>> you, they are out there trying to have a good time. They may
>>> not know everything so help them learn, and help them help you.
>>>
>>> W
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Vern W. wrote:
> The $1000 option charge is for "Port, Flow Match, Combustion Equalization"
> For me, I wanted a turn-key engine that was literally ready to fly
> (Mattituck even installed the two P-mags I sent them and did the
> factory run-in with them adjusted and installed).
>
> So, first, I didn't want to take delivery on my new engine and have to
> keep working on it, and second, it may be possible that the $1000 pays
> for more than just installing matched injectors.
I think you're right. Along with the matched injectors, (from your
description above) they also ported and polished the cylinders and sized
the inside of the head where the Pistons are. Flow matching the
injectors evens out the fuel load per cylinder .... all the grinding and
other stuff is for equalizing the incoming air and matching the
combustion volume. I'd say the the one grand was well spent if you're
in a hurry.
> Either way, I'm happy.
And that's as it should be. I understand that the new ECI cylinders are
pretty close to being flow matched naturally due to their casting
process.
> Mahlon from Mattituck sometimes frequents this forum so perhaps he
> could jump in and describe exactly what's done for the $1000 "Flow
> Matching" option that might be different than just changing out an
> injector or two.
Great idea. I'm looking to be educated too!
Linn
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>
> Vern
> RV7-A
> Houston, TX
>
>
> On 6/14/06, Ron Schreck <ronschreck@alltel.net
> <mailto:ronschreck@alltel.net>> wrote:
>
> Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of
> money. I have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to
> AFP at KSPA. If you live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth
> the $300 I paid to Don for an afternoon of flight testing, nozzle
> balancing and FI education by his small but very professional
> staff. Four of them spent the better part of an afternoon
> precisely balancing my system. It took four test hops and they
> even provided the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know
> how you could do the job on a test stand and I don't know why it
> should cost $1000.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
Vincent Osburn wrote:
> I am no expert at anything but here goes.....
> Flow matching to the cylinders is done on a bench with each
> individual cylinder before assembly. "Flows" are compared and matched
> so that all are the same or as near the same as possible. Every
> cylinder port being somewhat different typically. In automotive
> racing the ports are ground (with a die grinder) and in some cases
> even welded to achieve better flow, comparing the CFM (cubic feet per
> minute) "flow" by sucking air through the intake ports and or blasting
> air out the exhaust ports.
> Now is that what your friends at AFP did for $300.00? I don't
> think so.
I think you hit the nail square! This is an apples/oranges discussion.
Vince is on the right track. See my other post. I do believe the AFP
route is the way to go Vs. GAMI based on other threads I've read.
Linn
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Schreck <mailto:ronschreck@alltel.net>
> To: RV List <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 6/14/2006 5:06:10 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Fuel Injected - or Not
>
> Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of
> money. I have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to
> AFP at KSPA. If you live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth
> the $300 I paid to Don for an afternoon of flight testing, nozzle
> balancing and FI education by his small but very professional
> staff. Four of them spent the better part of an afternoon
> precisely balancing my system. It took four test hops and they
> even provided the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know
> how you could do the job on a test stand and I don't know why it
> should cost $1000.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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Konrad,
Do you have a phone number for Randy?
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
They are made by Randy Simpson: www.airtimemfg.com
I have a set and they are something else. I may even buy another set
or two, as they make great gifts as well!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Gardner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
<ibspud@adelphia.net>
Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
Albert Gardner
Yuma,
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Nope, sorry. I used to have Randy's cell number on my other PC, which
has since gone to cyber heaven. So I no longer have it.
Try to Email him thru his website and see what comes about in response .
. .
Let me know when you get a hold of him.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Marshall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
Konrad,
Do you have a phone number for Randy?
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
They are made by Randy Simpson: www.airtimemfg.com
I have a set and they are something else. I may even buy another set
or two, as they make great gifts as well!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Gardner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns?
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
<ibspud@adelphia.net>
Anybody remember who makes the titanium tiedowns?
Albert Gardner
Yuma,
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
At 05:57 AM 6/14/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
>
>
>I have a couple of nice polypropylene barrels; but, I've never used
>them. I use the red 5 gallon cans because the barrels were going to
>be more inconvenient to use. My truck's topper gets in the way of
>anything larger. I don't want to have to pull a trailer, either.
>snipped
>Jim Sears in KY
>EAA Tech Counselor
Jim,
I have been considering another option. Most of us will get grief
from the local hanger landlord or fire marshal is we keep any sort of
fueling trailer or portable refueling cans in or around the hanger.
(Lots of times it's the FBO who sells fuel on the field who rats you out)
I own my own auto repair shop in Pompano Beach, Florida. I own a fuel
pressure testing tool (for autos). This unit has a special "quick
disconnect" coupler, designed for use with auto fuels. The coupler is
similar to the quick couplers used on shop air hoses.
I think for folks who own trucks or cars with large fuel tanks that
the following would work and be more convenient. It would also
prevent hassles from the landlord and fire marshal. Install a Tee
fitting into the fuel supply line under the hood of your vehicle,
using a quick disconnect coupling. Fabricate a fueling hose with the
matching quick coupling which will be long enough to reach from the
car to your RV's fuel tank. Locate the fuel pump relay on your
vehicle. Wire a toggle switch (locate the switch on your dash or
under the hood) which will allow you to manually close the fuel pump
relay. This will allow the vehicle's "in tank" electric fuel pump to
run without the vehicle's engine running. This will allow you to pump
fuel from your car or truck's fuel tank directly into your RV.
This fuel would be less likely to get contaminated by debris, as
can happen when using fueling cans. The fuel goes from your truck's
fuel tank, through it's fuel filter and directly into your RV's fuel tank.
An even simpler system would be to purchase the needed adapter
fitting for one of these fuel pressure testers for your truck or car.
This assumes your vehicle has multi-port (ie an injector for every
cylinder) fuel injection. GM and Ford products use a Schrader port
(similar to your tires and A/C fittings) to attach the fuel pressure
testers. This really simplifies the equipment needed. There is a
downside to this method. The Schrader port on the vehicle's fuel rail
is small. It takes about 15 -30 minutes to fill your RV tanks using
this restricted access port. This port is easily accessed. It is
found on the engine near one of the fuel injectors.
Stop and fill your vehicle's fuel tank(s) on your way to the
airport. Pull your RV out of it's hanger and position your car or
truck near the wing tank (engine off). Connect your fueling hose to
the vehicle. Install a ground wire between the vehicles. Turn on the
manual fuel pump and start fueling. When finished, reposition your
truck and repeat for the other wing tank. Shutting the control valve
on the fueling hose will not hurt your truck's electric fuel pump.
The fuel pressure regulator on the truck's engine will divert the
excess pressure and fuel back to the vehicle's fuel tank.
FYI, Matco, Mac Tools and Snap On Tools make the fuel pressure tester
I'm referring to. They sell individual components, as well as the
entire tool. A quick check of McMaster-Carr's web site located
several SS couplers suitable for gasoline. I just did a quick check.
These first couplers I found are on page 166, 261 of their web site
below. I'm sure there are more suitable ones available.
www.mcmaster.com
Just my idea and worth what you paid for it.
Charlie Kuss
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I ordered a set on December 1, 2005 and am still waiting. He does not reply
to email and has no phone number on his website. People say that they will
eventually arrive, so I guess I will have to just wait and see. If they
ever do, I will let the list know just how long it took.
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| Subject: | GPS antenna firewall quick connect |
Ed,
Thanks for the reminder. I have wrestled with the location and decided to
put it on the front of the firewall with a cooling box and blast tube, as
Klaus reluctantly allows in his instructions. I would rather have it behind
the firewall, but he won't allow his cables to be disassembled and to run
them through the firewall with the big terminals on them would require a
bigger hole than I want to patch. In the RV-8, the front baggage compartment
seems to be a preferred location and there won't be any cooling air in
there. Maybe I'll just cut the damned wires and void the warrantee and put
it in there anyway.
Thanks for the reminder.
Terry
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna firewall quick connect
Terry,
You might want to check with Klaus about that Lightspeed box, firewall
forward. I'm pretty sure he still recommends them aft. Ours, an early Plasma
I unit, requires air from a cooling fan and makes quite a bit of its own
heat. He recommended that we have him check it out because a transformer
tended to overheat on the early ones. He replaced ours (with the type he's
using nowadays) and returned our old transformer to us. It was kinda
blackened and didn't look too good. This was with just short of 700 hours.
We put in a bigger avionics fan and enlarged the air vent to keep it cooler.
YMMV
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | More OSH arrival and parking stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael" <cubflyr@comcast.net>
Flying to OSH: you HAVE to go and in the aircraft you built. For one thing,
you have to show it off to the 800,000 people that will be there during the
course of the week. Will they ALL come see your airplane? No; but those most
interested will. And you will see many examples of your type of aircraft,
and some you never knew existed. Flying there and being there will be fond
memories forever. The first time always is. Then you will become addicted
and will HAVE to go every year. (For some folks, once is enough; for others,
every five years or so. For many, the yearly event is not often enough.)
Search the archives for the many posts about how to get there, what to take,
camping, etc. The posts are many and varied. And it doesn't matter if they
are several years old, it probably still applies.
PRINT OUT AND STUDY THE NOTAM. Is that shouting? Yes. There are parts of the
NOTAM you won't need. Don't print those. I print out all arrival (and
departure) information for all runways as you do not know till you get there
which runway they will have you using. I color code my print-outs for each
direction. Have everything you need on your kneeboard about the time you are
listening to the ATIS. You should be all set to enter the foray by then.
Have PLENTY of fuel. You can circle The Lake for quite some time or be told
not to even get in line yet as something is going on at the field. Cockpit
water bottle and snacks are good to have with you; it can sometimes take a
while.
Getting In Line, the beginning of your arrival, is VERY doable. This is a
well-oiled machine that has been refined for MANY YEARS and the controllers
know what they are doing, There is a 2 year waiting list for controllers to
come work OSH. And if you have read the NOTAM, have everything on your
kneeboard, have looked at the photographs of the area, you will fit into the
well-oiled machine easily. It sounds scary; it isn't. You just have to PAY
ATTENTION. And shouldn't you always be paying attention?
You need to be constantly LOOKING AROUND. Airplanes will be coming into The
Line from all directions and altitudes. Keep the five second rule in play:
if you have to do something (WHAT would you need to look at inside the
cockpit??), then count to five while looking, then look out and around
again.
Depending on when you arrive, you may or may not talk to approach or tower.
If it is early and the NOTAM is not in effect, it is just like a controlled
airport and talking to a tower. DO what you know how to do. If the NOTAM is
in effect, you probably will not have to say anything on the radio, nor
should you unless someone asks you something. Communication is by wing
rocking and the constant instructions from approach/tower. LISTEN; that's
all.
So: now you have come in over Ripon and followed the railroad tracks, found
the flashing lights at Fisk and are in line behind a Kitfox. What do you do?
Just fly your airplane. The 90 knot limit is very doable in your airplane.
You should be familiar with slow flight anyway. If you aren't, go out and
spend a couple of hours flying around at 80 to 90 knots so you aren't
practicing In Line at Fisk. You may be behind a J-3 Cub or Flybaby and need
to stay in line. Should you be up with the big boys at 130 kts? If that is
what you are comfortable with but down lower with the slow guys is OK too.
You are still the pilot in command. If something isn't right, doesn't feel
right, looks wrong or you can see the stitching on the fabric of the KitFox,
check six and get out of line. Go back to the beginning. BE SAFE. A good
rule to follow is: if you haven't done it at home, don't try it at OSH for
the first time. FLY THE AIRPLANE.
Now you have landed on the white dot, and were told to expedite your exit.
That means get off the runway. Sometimes a B-25 is landing behind you and
they need the runway clear NOW. DO it. Don't wait till the intersection; get
off the runway. The grass at the sides of the runway is usually OK to go
taxiing off into but watch for runway lights. Then follow the flow of
traffic on the taxi way closest to you. Pay Attention. Someone will probably
be waving you in one direction or another.
The next person you see will have an orange vest on and will be waving you
to follow what he is telling you to do. DO THAT TOO. You may know where you
are going and as long as you have the SIGN PRINTED FROM THE NOTAM, they will
also know where you would like to be. HOWEVER, things change: every year the
layout of the field is different, airplanes are assigned areas that were not
where they were last year. Just follow the directions you are being given.
If you want to park with your buddy and he is 5 airplanes ahead of you, DO
NOT.......DO NOT STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TAXI WAY AND WAVE OVER A
VOLUNTEER TO TELL HIM WHAT YOU WANT. Is that yelling? Yes. Because that is
what will go on between you, who thinks he knows where you want to be, and
the volunteer who knows where you have to go NOW. Meanwhile there are 50
airplanes behind you waiting for you to convince someone you need to be next
to 48 Victor. They don't care. Clear the taxiway and hash that out later.
Again, it doesn't matter who you know, where you parked last year, who YOU
are; you are blocking the taxi way. Figure it out later. You can usually
always be moved later.
Show planes (homebuilts, war birds, antiques, etc) will ALWAYS have some
place to park. Factory-built "spam cans" can be turned away when their area
if full. So, if you get to OSH, there WILL be a place to park. The Vintage
division can take some homebuilts but usually overflow and if there just
ISN'T anywhere else in that area to park them. If you came in with a Cessna
170 and want to park and camp with them, you probably can but expect to be
parked quite a way south of Airshow Center. That is still OK: you are at
OSH.
The briefing prior to departure has been a constant problem and you should
have a departure briefing AND CARD before departure. We have tried to put a
stop to aircraft being stopped prior to departure for a briefer to stick his
head in the cockpit and brief you but it may still occasionally happen. The
departure information IS in the NOTAM and should also be studied and
printed, on you kneeboard. Things change and that is the reason for the
pre-departure briefing. Just be familiar with the altitude restrictions and
direction of flight prior to leaving. We see pilots blowing the NOTAM every
year. The field will close every day of the show to departing aircraft. As
stated before, do NOT wait until 5 minutes before the field closes to decide
to depart. You may spend the air show parked somewhere you didn't want to
be. PLAN AHEAD. PAY ATTENTION, even on the ground.
The question of running up while in line: do your preflight check list as
you are in line but NOT WHILE YOU ARE TAXIING as you don't know what the
pilot in front of you is going to do. While you are stopped, go down the
list, keeping track of where you were on the list. Save your take off check
list, of course, for last, as you come up near the hold-short line. If you
are being waved off by a volunteer while doing your run-up, you may have
angled your prop blast into another airplane, the crowd, or something else
is happening you may not be aware of. The volunteers are your extra set of
eyes. I go through my final take off check list when I am number two for
departure. Can you do your run-up at the hold-short line? Yes, but the
controller may want you to taxi into position NOW. So do it somewhere,
before.
A Few Rules: don't get angry at a volunteer: they are there to help you,
even if YOU don't think they know what they are doing. You think it's easy?
Come volunteer yourself and find out it ain't all fun and games. Yelling at
a volunteer gets you nowhere. In fact, it can get you to Appleton. Every
year we get a hand full of pilots that are somehow more privileged than the
common folk around him and needs to yell at someone. Don't be him/her. You
are at OSH, for crying out loud; what's there to be upset about? Would you
rather be at work??? Go yell at someone there. Be prepared: that means
following the FARs and knowing all you can know about where you are going
and how to get there. Have fun: that is why you came to OSH. Be safe: PAY
ATTENTION, just like you always do.
See you there.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
Vintage Division hothead I mean hotshot
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This is only a test of the email system
do not archive
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Perhaps I should sell my set as they seem to be a commodity now?
Highest bidder over US$1,000,000 gets them!
Sorry about your experience though!
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Lineberry
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
I ordered a set on December 1, 2005 and am still waiting. He does not
reply to email and has no phone number on his website. People say that
they will eventually arrive, so I guess I will have to just wait and
see. If they ever do, I will let the list know just how long it took.
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| Subject: | Re: Source of inexpensive 17AH battery |
. . . Charlie is a Dumpster Diver, . . . Charlie is Dumpster Diver!
Do not archive / no offense to Charlie / see the humor
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Kuss
To: AeroElectric List ; rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Source of inexpensive 17AH battery
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Listers,
I recently found an APC 1400 VA computer un-interruptible power
supply in the dumpster. I took it home and checked it out. These
things retail for about $200. Turns out it had not one, but two 17 AH
12 volt batteries, like those used in my RV-8A. The batteries were
both bad. I called a friend and he recommended I
check www.gruberpower.com for replacements.
I bought TWO of these batteries for $29.90 plus $25 for shipping.
That's $54.90 total for TWO batteries. I've installed them in the APC
and it now works great. The replacement batteries are "claimed" to be
18AH, but they are exactly the same dimensions as the originals, so
I'm sure that the higher rating is just smoke and mirrors. The only
down side is that they have rather frail terminals for aircraft use.
See
http://www.gruberpower.com/purchase/batteries/product.asp?intProdID=13&
strCatalog_NAME=Batteries&strSubCatalog_NAME=&strSubCatalogID=&intC
atalogID=10001&CurCatalogID
Price for one is $21.85 plus $12 shipping for a total of $33.85
Save even more if you need two or can find a friend to share with. See
http://www.gruberpower.com/purchase/batteries/product.asp?intProdID=40
I thought you might be interested. The batteries are manufactured in
Vietnam.
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A
Boca Raton, Fl
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Yep, it's blank
Do Not Archive
-------Original Message-------
From: Darrell Reiley
Subject: RV-List: Test
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Try switching your email client to "plain text only" send mode. This will probably
make things work better.
Matt
At 10:35 AM 6/14/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Yep, it's blank
>Do Not Archive
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: <mailto:lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>Darrell Reiley
>Date: 06/14/06 09:57:37
>To: <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>RV-List
>Subject: RV-List: Test
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Hey, good idea...don't think I'm gonna let mine go.
Never used them, but I'm sure I will!
Paul Besing
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> Perhaps I should sell my set as they seem to be a
> commodity now? Highest bidder over US$1,000,000
> gets them!
>
> Sorry about your experience though!
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Lineberry
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
>
>
> I ordered a set on December 1, 2005 and am still
> waiting. He does not reply to email and has no
> phone number on his website. People say that they
> will eventually arrive, so I guess I will have to
> just wait and see. If they ever do, I will let the
> list know just how long it took.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Good idea: Maybe? But for some reason no takers so far ??? What's
going on ??? No lose cash anyone?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Hey, good idea...don't think I'm gonna let mine go.
Never used them, but I'm sure I will!
Paul Besing
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> Perhaps I should sell my set as they seem to be a
> commodity now? Highest bidder over US$1,000,000
> gets them!
>
> Sorry about your experience though!
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Lineberry
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns?
>
>
> I ordered a set on December 1, 2005 and am still
> waiting. He does not reply to email and has no
> phone number on his website. People say that they
> will eventually arrive, so I guess I will have to
> just wait and see. If they ever do, I will let the
> list know just how long it took.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Jim
I found an article from Light Plane Maintenance on EAA's site
regarding auto fuel STCs. They mention that Av gas Reid pressure is
6.5 psi (lower is better) Auto fuel can vary from 15 psi to 7 psi, so
there is a variation. The article also mentions that Kalifornia
requires a 7 psi maximum Reid pressure for their auto fuel. I guess
you guys luck out. Evidently leading the nation towards a "greener"
tomorrow has some advantages. The article also mentions that Peterson
Aviation sells a Reid Vapor Pressure Tester. Sounds like a handy tool
to have, especially if you want to use auto fuel in a 8.5 to 1 CR or
fuel injected engine.
I'm going to call Peterson Aviation on Monday, when Todd gets back in town.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Speaking of fuel injection, what's the latest on the Ellison throttle body system?
Back when I got my engine, there were mixed results on the product. What
about recent actual experiences. I'm running a 160-hp, O-320.
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41036#41036
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injected - or Not |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I found an article from Light Plane Maintenance on EAA's site regarding
> auto fuel STCs. They mention that Av gas Reid pressure is 6.5 psi (lower
> is better) Auto fuel can vary from 15 psi to 7 psi, so there is a
> variation. The article also mentions that Kalifornia requires a 7 psi
> maximum Reid pressure for their auto fuel. I guess you guys luck out.
> Evidently leading the nation towards a "greener" tomorrow has some
> advantages. The article also mentions that Peterson Aviation sells a
> Reid Vapor Pressure Tester. Sounds like a handy tool to have, especially
> if you want to use auto fuel in a 8.5 to 1 CR or fuel injected engine.
You can also get the tester from http://www.decalinchemicals.com/
as well. Chris also has formulated and sells a safer TCP for
experimental aircraft, and is a good guy - he drives a
Subaru powered Glastar.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Contruction videos |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hello:
The Contruction video tapes, have been sold.
Bert
rv6a
flying
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| Subject: | wanted Sensenich metal prop |
Need a Sensenich metal prop for a 180 hp RV4
Regards,
Bill Mahoney
Sherman, CT
RV6
N747WM
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I'll try it... I don't remember changing anything
though.
Thanks a bunch!
Darrell
--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
>
> Try switching your email client to "plain text only"
> send mode. This will probably make things work
> better.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 10:35 AM 6/14/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
> >Yep, it's blank
> >Do Not Archive
> >
> >-------Original Message-------
> >
> >From: <mailto:lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>Darrell
> Reiley
> >Date: 06/14/06 09:57:37
> >To: <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>RV-List
> >Subject: RV-List: Test
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
> dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
> For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
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| Subject: | Test one more time |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Hope this works...
Test only...
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna firewall quick connect |
Terry,
I mounted two Plasma 1 boxes inside the right lower portion of my
forward baggage compartment up against the side of the fuselage. I
disassembled the terminals in order to get them through the firewall
holes. If I remember correctly I didn't have to remove the pins. I
simply disassembled the the terminal covers. But if you want to get the
hole as small as possible you can use a pin extractor in order to fully
disassemble. I've had to remove similar pins on my auto pilot and it's
really an easy procedure. Just keep track of where the pins belong.
Also, I constructed an aluminum cover plate to go over the boxes and the
associated wiring just to make sure baggage didn't interfere. I
discussed the arrangement with Klaus and he said it would be fine. To
date, I've had no problems.
Rick McBride
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Watson<mailto:terry@tcwatson.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna firewall quick connect
Ed,
Thanks for the reminder. I have wrestled with the location and decided
to put it on the front of the firewall with a cooling box and blast
tube, as Klaus reluctantly allows in his instructions. I would rather
have it behind the firewall, but he won't allow his cables to be
disassembled and to run them through the firewall with the big terminals
on them would require a bigger hole than I want to patch. In the RV-8,
the front baggage compartment seems to be a preferred location and there
won't be any cooling air in there. Maybe I'll just cut the damned wires
and void the warrantee and put it in there anyway.
Thanks for the reminder.
Terry
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:24 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna firewall quick connect
Terry,
You might want to check with Klaus about that Lightspeed box, firewall
forward. I'm pretty sure he still recommends them aft. Ours, an early
Plasma I unit, requires air from a cooling fan and makes quite a bit of
its own heat. He recommended that we have him check it out because a
transformer tended to overheat on the early ones. He replaced ours (with
the type he's using nowadays) and returned our old transformer to us. It
was kinda blackened and didn't look too good. This was with just short
of 700 hours. We put in a bigger avionics fan and enlarged the air vent
to keep it cooler. YMMV
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set with
storage bag I will sell.
$95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
Darrell
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Hey Darrell,
You are undermining my salesoffer from earlier in the day by a whopping
$999,905. Do you think that is fair? I am sure it will sell in record
time though.
just kidding & do not archive this nonsense of mine
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Reiley
To: RV-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set with
storage bag I will sell.
$95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
Darrell
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
Sold!
Contact me off-list
Tony Marshall
Cell 406-249-0835
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Reiley" <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set with
> storage bag I will sell.
>
> $95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
>
>
> Darrell
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
You have to add handling and shipping $ 999,000.00
;-)
Do not archive
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Darrell,
>
> You are undermining my salesoffer from earlier in
> the day by a whopping $999,905. Do you think that is
> fair? I am sure it will sell in record time though.
>
>
> just kidding & do not archive this nonsense of mine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Reiley
> To: RV-List
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:36 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set with
> storage bag I will sell.
>
> $95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
>
>
> Darrell
>
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ATTA BOY! You mean business, don't you!
By the way: Who was the lucky-1-2-get it?
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Reiley
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
You have to add handling and shipping $ 999,000.00
;-)
Do not archive
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Darrell,
>
> You are undermining my salesoffer from earlier in
> the day by a whopping $999,905. Do you think that is
> fair? I am sure it will sell in record time though.
>
>
> just kidding & do not archive this nonsense of mine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Reiley
> To: RV-List
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:36 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set with
> storage bag I will sell.
>
> $95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
>
>
> Darrell
>
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| Subject: | GPS antenna firewall quick connect |
Rick,
Thanks for the comments. After an email from Charlie Kuss about it, I went
out to the shop and looked to see if I might be able to mount my Lightspeed
box on the outside skin inside the lower part of the forward baggage, just
as you suggest. I also pulled the cover off the D-sub connector to see how
small of a hole I could get it through without voiding my warranty by
disassembling it. I could get it through a 1-1/4" diameter hole, or a hole
maybe 3/8" wide by 1-1/4" long. I think I can live with that. I also
measured the wire from the crank position sensor to make sure it would be
long enough if I routed it the other side of the engine (right side - it is
now on the left) and that will work too.
Now my main problem seems to be that I mounted my fuse blocks right where I
should put the Lighspeed box, but I really like where Charlie has his so
maybe I will tear it out and redo it. Why not? I have just about everything
else on this airplane! I could also put it inside the main part of the
baggage compartment on the firewall, but I am concerned that will be pretty
hot too.
I really appreciate your comments.
Terry
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard McBride
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS antenna firewall quick connect
Terry,
I mounted two Plasma 1 boxes inside the right lower portion of my forward
baggage compartment up against the side of the fuselage. I disassembled the
terminals in order to get them through the firewall holes. If I remember
correctly I didn't have to remove the pins. I simply disassembled the the
terminal covers. But if you want to get the hole as small as possible you
can use a pin extractor in order to fully disassemble. I've had to remove
similar pins on my auto pilot and it's really an easy procedure. Just keep
track of where the pins belong. Also, I constructed an aluminum cover plate
to go over the boxes and the associated wiring just to make sure baggage
didn't interfere. I discussed the arrangement with Klaus and he said it
would be fine. To date, I've had no problems.
Rick McBride
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