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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Fuel Invected - Or Not (Ron Schreck)
2. 04:22 AM - accessing Nav antena RV6a (Charles Heathco)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 05:41 AM - Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a (Ron Lee)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Invected - Or Not (Vern W.)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a (bertrv6@highstream.net)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Tiedowns (Darrell Reiley)
9. 08:17 AM - OSH Parking Comments (Glen Matejcek)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a (Paul Besing)
11. 11:09 AM - OSH parking and stuff: tiedowns (Michael)
12. 11:09 AM - Tie Downs (Wheeler North)
13. 11:13 AM - Carb fuel/air distribution (Wheeler North)
14. 11:17 AM - OSH (Wheeler North)
15. 01:33 PM - Routing magneto and alternator blast tubes... (Joe Connell)
16. 01:59 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Tim Olson)
17. 02:12 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Paul Besing)
18. 02:39 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Paul Besing)
19. 02:39 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Konrad L. Werner)
20. 03:00 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Tim Olson)
21. 03:10 PM - Rocky Mountain Fly In (Paul Besing)
22. 03:22 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Darrell Reiley)
23. 03:37 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Konrad L. Werner)
24. 03:53 PM - Re: Rocky Mountain Fly In (Ron Lee)
25. 03:53 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Tony Marshall)
26. 04:38 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Darrell Reiley)
27. 05:05 PM - Re: Tie Downs (Charlie Kuss)
28. 05:14 PM - Re: Carb fuel/air distribution (Charlie Kuss)
29. 11:01 PM - Re: Fiberglass tips for tip up (sarg314)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Invected - Or Not |
Vern,
I, too would be interested to hear what Mahon did for that $1000. Since
you had Mattituck do the work, I now know that your we not ripped off.
They do fine work and I have never heard anyone question the value they
provide. FWIW, my engine was also built by Mahlon Russel at Mattituck,
so I'm slightly prejudiced!
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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The $1000 option charge is for "Port, Flow Match, Combustion
Equalization"
For me, I wanted a turn-key engine that was literally ready to fly
(Mattituck even installed the two P-mags I sent them and did the
factory
run-in with them adjusted and installed).
So, first, I didn't want to take delivery on my new engine and
have to keep
working on it, and second, it may be possible that the $1000 pays
for more
than just installing matched injectors.
Either way, I'm happy.
Mahlon from Mattituck sometimes frequents this forum so perhaps he
could
jump in and describe exactly what's done for the $1000 "Flow
Matching"
option that might be different than just changing out an injector
or two.
Vern
RV7-A
Houston, TX
On 6/14/06, Ron Schreck <ronschreck@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of
money. I
> have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at
KSPA. If you
> live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to
Don for an
> afternoon of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI education
by his small
> but very professional staff. Four of them spent the better part
of an
> afternoon precisely balancing my system. It took four test hops
and they
> even provided the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know
how you
> could do the job on a test stand and I don't know why it should
cost $1000.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
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| Subject: | accessing Nav antena RV6a |
I found out that my nav antena under the tail end of fusl is on the
fritz, balun conn is suspect. I didnt build the plane so assume it was
mounted durring build. How to access it? Can one crawl back far enough
to reach it? or cut an access hole? (if so is that a good idea as the
place would be put over the hole without indentations like other acess
hole have) Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a |
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| Subject: | Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a |
At 05:20 AM 6/15/2006, you wrote:
>I found out that my nav antena under the tail end of fusl is on the fritz,
>balun conn is suspect. I didnt build the plane so assume it was mounted
>durring build. How to access it? Can one crawl back far enough to reach
>it? or cut an access hole? (if so is that a good idea as the place would
>be put over the hole without indentations like other acess hole have)
>Charlie Heathco
Either access from the left side panel, remove the empennage fairing or
crawl back (last option).
Support tail if you do the last and I used plywood as a floor to crawl back.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | accessing Nav antena RV6a |
Hey Charlie,
You should be able to reach through the bulkhead to retrieve it.
May take 2 people, one reaching through the top, one underneath turning
screws.
You could send a young whipper snapper down the fuse inside if all else
fails:-)
Have you removed the fairing and tried to reach down in there?
Best,
Mike
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: accessing Nav antena RV6a
I found out that my nav antena under the tail end of fusl is on the
fritz, balun conn is suspect. I didnt build the plane so assume it was
mounted durring build. How to access it? Can one crawl back far enough
to reach it? or cut an access hole? (if so is that a good idea as the
place would be put over the hole without indentations like other acess
hole have) Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Invected - Or Not |
I didn't question the price because I assumed, and I think rightly so, that
I got a lot more than just matching the nozzles.
Their option is called "Port, Flow Matching, and Combustion Equalization"
which I thought explained it pretty well.
Flow Matching is what I think refers directly to matching the nozzles, but
Porting and Combustion Equalization infers a bit more direct hands-on work
involving some machining of the heads themselves.
Again, I'd like to see Mahlon jump in and explain it better than I ever
could.
Vern
On 6/15/06, Ron Schreck <ronschreck@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Vern,
>
> I, too would be interested to hear what Mahon did for that $1000. Since
> you had Mattituck do the work, I now know that your we not ripped off. They
> do fine work and I have never heard anyone question the value they provide.
> FWIW, my engine was also built by Mahlon Russel at Mattituck, so I'm
> slightly prejudiced!
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> The $1000 option charge is for "Port, Flow Match, Combustion
> Equalization"
> For me, I wanted a turn-key engine that was literally ready to fly
> (Mattituck even installed the two P-mags I sent them and did the
> factory
> run-in with them adjusted and installed).
>
> So, first, I didn't want to take delivery on my new engine and have
> to keep
> working on it, and second, it may be possible that the $1000 pays
> for more
> than just installing matched injectors.
> Either way, I'm happy.
>
> Mahlon from Mattituck sometimes frequents this forum so perhaps he
> could
> jump in and describe exactly what's done for the $1000 "Flow
> Matching"
> option that might be different than just changing out an injector or
> two.
>
> Vern
> RV7-A
> Houston, TX
>
>
> On 6/14/06, Ron Schreck <ronschreck@alltel.net> wrote:
> >
> > Flow matching for $1000! Wow, what do they do for that kind of
> money. I
> > have AFP fuel injection on my IO360 and paid a visit to AFP at
> KSPA. If you
> > live anywhere near SC the trip is well worth the $300 I paid to
> Don for an
> > afternoon of flight testing, nozzle balancing and FI education by
> his small
> > but very professional staff. Four of them spent the better part
> of an
> > afternoon precisely balancing my system. It took four test hops
> and they
> > even provided the data recorder in the back seat! I don't know
> how you
> > could do the job on a test stand and I don't know why it should
> cost $1000.
> >
> > Ron Schreck
> > RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> > Gold Hill Airpark, NC
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>:
> At 05:20 AM 6/15/2006, you wrote:
> >I found out that my nav antena under the tail end of fusl is on the fritz,
> >balun conn is suspect. I didnt build the plane so assume it was mounted
> >durring build. How to access it? Can one crawl back far enough to reach
> >it? or cut an access hole? (if so is that a good idea as the place would
> >be put over the hole without indentations like other acess hole have)
> >Charlie Heathco
>
>
> Either access from the left side panel, remove the empennage fairing or
> crawl back (last option).
>
> Support tail if you do the last and I used plywood as a floor to crawl back.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> Do not archive
Ron: you should be able to see it, thru the lighting holes on top of
fuselage once you removes the rudder, and cover etc..the holes are big enough
to put hand thru, to reach if necessary.
If you haves the side small panel, you can look also, and see where is connec-
ted.
I did, make another a little larger window on the other side fuselage,
it really only for inspection, little to do for working inside.
I did not wanted to cut thru the longerons....
Hope it will give you another idea
Bert
rv6a
Flying now
do not archive
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
And the "Winner" is:
Tony Marshall
Thanks Tony!
Darrell
Do not archive
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> ATTA BOY! You mean business, don't you!
> By the way: Who was the lucky-1-2-get it?
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Reiley
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tiedowns
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> You have to add handling and shipping $ 999,000.00
>
> ;-)
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Darrell,
> >
> > You are undermining my salesoffer from earlier
> in
> > the day by a whopping $999,905. Do you think
> that is
> > fair? I am sure it will sell in record time
> though.
> >
> >
> > just kidding & do not archive this nonsense of
> mine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Darrell Reiley
> > To: RV-List
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:36 PM
> > Subject: RV-List: Tiedowns
> >
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> > <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I have a "Brand NEW" Titanium tie-down set
> with
> > storage bag I will sell.
> >
> > $95.00 plus shipping to your zip code.
> >
> >
> > Darrell
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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> ===================================
> ===================================
> ===================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> 6/14/2006
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Parking Comments |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Warning- Shameless plug to follow-
Speaking of the red barn, OSH parking, and volunteering, you can put all
three together. You can fly in to OSH, park on any bit of aeroshell sqaure
you'd like, and get dirty in the red barn. Just not during the
convention...
In about an hour I'll be picking up a friend and (unfortunately) driving up
to OSH for a work party weekend. We'll be working on site mx and prep,
staying at the volunteer bunkhouse, and eating most of our meals in the
volunteer kitchen. One night typically involves some sort of a BBQ, and
Paul and Audrey usually show up to spend an evening with us. It's all
pretty rewarding, and those few that fly in get to park on the square if
they so choose. It's a good chance to 'give back' without missing any of
the convention, as well as see what the place looks like without 3/4 of a
million people blocking the view...
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: accessing Nav antena RV6a |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Crawling back there shouldn't be a big deal. I just
installed a nav antenna on the belly of my RV-4. I
took out the elevator pushrod, supported the tail, and
made it back there without too much difficulty...I'm
5'10 and 180 lbs.
Paul Besing
--- bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by:
> bertrv6@highstream.net
>
> Quoting Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>:
>
> > At 05:20 AM 6/15/2006, you wrote:
> > >I found out that my nav antena under the tail end
> of fusl is on the fritz,
> > >balun conn is suspect. I didnt build the plane so
> assume it was mounted
> > >durring build. How to access it? Can one crawl
> back far enough to reach
> > >it? or cut an access hole? (if so is that a good
> idea as the place would
> > >be put over the hole without indentations like
> other acess hole have)
> > >Charlie Heathco
> >
> >
> > Either access from the left side panel, remove the
> empennage fairing or
> > crawl back (last option).
> >
> > Support tail if you do the last and I used plywood
> as a floor to crawl back.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> > Do not archive
>
>
>
> Ron: you should be able to see it, thru the
> lighting holes on top of
> fuselage once you removes the rudder, and cover
> etc..the holes are big enough
> to put hand thru, to reach if necessary.
>
> If you haves the side small panel, you can look
> also, and see where is connec-
> ted.
>
> I did, make another a little larger window on the
> other side fuselage,
> it really only for inspection, little to do for
> working inside.
> I did not wanted to cut thru the longerons....
>
> Hope it will give you another idea
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> Flying now
>
> do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH parking and stuff: tiedowns |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael" <cubflyr@comcast.net>
Speaking of tie downs, bring yours to OSH. Doesn't matter what kind they
are, Randy's or whatever. Just bring some (NOT doggy spiral things. We find
at least five or six of those broken off in the grass every year. Bad for
your airplane, bad for the next guy to taxi over them. Get some real ones).
You don't want to be parked for a week without them and neither will those
around you. Put them on your OSH check list.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Well,
along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have
to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe
me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll
be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't
straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.
The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the
hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep
triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me
just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).
Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better
the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
W
PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an
advertisment
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| Subject: | Carb fuel/air distribution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Charlie,
While I do agree that the sumps and cylinders have some inconsistances, the
real culprit for A/F imbalance is in the old Marvel/Schebler, in the
throttle throat design.
The fuel discharge nozzle comes in at an angle and unloads about an inch
away from the throttle plate. This plate is only a balanced splitter of the
fuel flow when it is vertical (Full Throttle) and even then it isn't fully
balanced due to the angle of the discharge nozzle. So pretty much at all
times either side of the throttle plate sees entirely different ratios of
fuel and air going by. This is also true at idle due to the side location of
the idle and transition nozzles.
As well, it's only about 2.5 inches from the discharge nozzle to the flow
divider in the sump, not nearly enough distance to mix the air and fuel for
even distribution.
If somebody came up with a reliable and effective mixing plate that bolted
between the carb and the engine they might make some good money... they
might even get some of mine.
That all said my old M-S works fine everytime... even upside down if I don't
stay there too long.
W
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Hey Larry,
I agree that the last minute briefings are not necessarily the best way to
handle it, but that crew is not run by those in the orange vests and as has
been said we are not in a position to completely fix that policy. Anytime
you put 4500 volunteers together, some with control issues, you're going to
get some turf issues and subsequent politics.
While I do favor briefings I am not in favor of forcing it at the last
minute, I just put the info out there to let you know to expect it, as it's
the unexpected that messes with us.
RE the Run-Up,,, that's a tough one and is at every fly-in. I normally do it
in line, slightly off angle and only give it a brief 1200 rpm for a quick
mag drop test. Then on take off I always do a full power check of static RPM
and MAP as the brakes are releasing.
But, that all said, fly-in departures do tend to violate the rule of mixing
not being in a hurry with flying.
Interestingly, NOTAMs are political animals, particularly fly-in ones. In
general I think the fly-in folks try to keep them as less complicated as
possible while the FAA might have another agenda entirely. So the less they
say the better in terms of being easy to remember and in terms of
"violating" something you missed.
While many claim they don't need the briefing and or NOTAM, having those on
board will go a long way towards demonstrating you were trying to be as
fully prepared as possible, which will get asked if there's an incident.
W
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| Subject: | Routing magneto and alternator blast tubes... |
Gentlemen,
I'm building an RV-9A with an O-320 & carb, a Slick Mag,
a P-Mag, and Van's 35 amp alternator. Where should I
direct the blast tubes for the Mag and P-Mag?
I'm thinking they should be directed at the entire Mag rather
than just the distributor cap or the lower section. It appears
the back of the alternator housing the diodes would be the
appropriate spot for cooling air.
Many thanks,
Joe Connell
Stewartville, MN
RV-9A N95JJ - Baffling
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work great.
Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on metal sources
though....
Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the claw would save
a bit of weight? It comes with 9 steel stakes, and it adds up
a bit. If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium, I may
consider it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
> Well,
>
> along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have
> to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
>
> The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe
> me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll
> be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't
> straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.
>
> The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the
> hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep
> triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me
> just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).
>
> Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better
> the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>
> W
>
> PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an
> advertisment
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think the
kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't anywhere
close to what an engine hoist would pull. The loads
are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds
might hit the airplane. An engine hoist is going to
progressively pull harder and consistently.
I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling
airplanes with no problem. Plus, they screw into just
about anything without bending or breaking.
Paul Besing
--- Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
> <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
> Well,
>
> along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and
> tilt up canopies I have
> to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
>
> The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium
> are useless. Don't believe
> me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host
> to pull 'em out. You'll
> be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look
> nice and down't
> straighten out but they do come out very easily even
> at an angle.
>
> The one's I use are a little heavier called "The
> Claw". When tested with the
> hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out
> a one foot deep
> triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO
> owner as she caught me
> just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and
> made nice to her).
>
> Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered
> quickly and works better
> the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
>
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>
>
> W
>
> PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so
> this is not an
> advertisment
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
I'm currently working with a couple of titanium
suppliers with the intention of filling the need for
the titanium tie downs, since Randy Simpson is unable
to keep up his deliveries. I'm finding out that the
price is going up, and is questionable if it is worth
it anymore. Maybe that's why Randy isn't producing
them?
If I can produce the titanium tie downs through the
suppliers I'm working with (or maybe a claw-type
version) at a reasonable cost, I'll do an initial run
with for an RV-List group buy for the first run.
Paul Besing
--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work
> great.
> Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on
> metal sources
> though....
> Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the
> claw would save
> a bit of weight? It comes with 9 steel stakes, and
> it adds up
> a bit. If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium,
> I may
> consider it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Wheeler North wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
> <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection
> and tilt up canopies I have
> > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie
> downs.
> >
> > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium
> are useless. Don't believe
> > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine
> host to pull 'em out. You'll
> > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look
> nice and down't
> > straighten out but they do come out very easily
> even at an angle.
> >
> > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The
> Claw". When tested with the
> > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled
> out a one foot deep
> > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO
> owner as she caught me
> > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and
> made nice to her).
> >
> > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered
> quickly and works better
> > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
> >
> >
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>
> >
> > W
> >
> > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so
> this is not an
> > advertisment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Wheeler & Tim,
How heavy is a set of the claws, metal parts only (or with the rope if
you want)?
Thanks,
Konrad
!----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tie Downs
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work great.
Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on metal sources
though....
Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the claw would save
a bit of weight? It comes with 9 steel stakes, and it adds up
a bit. If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium, I may
consider it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Wheeler North wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
> Well,
>
> along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up
canopies I have
> to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
>
> The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't
believe
> me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em
out. You'll
> be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't
> straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.
>
> The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested
with the
> hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep
> triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she
caught me
> just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).
>
> Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works
better
> the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>
> W
>
> PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an
> advertisment
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think the total is 6 or 8 lbs. That's everything though, including
the claws, stakes, ropes, and I believe they even count the
hammer (included). The stakes are the heaviest part.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Konrad L. Werner wrote:
> Wheeler & Tim,
>
> How heavy is a set of the claws, metal parts only (or with the rope if
> you want)?
>
> Thanks,
> Konrad
>
> !----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Tie Downs
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com
> <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>>
>
> Wheeler, I have the Claw tiedowns too, and they work great.
> Question for any of you who may be "in the know" on metal sources
> though....
> Do you think that titanium stakes for use in the claw would save
> a bit of weight? It comes with 9 steel stakes, and it adds up
> a bit. If I could spend $50 extra and get titanium, I may
> consider it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Wheeler North wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu
> <mailto:wnorth@sdccd.edu>>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up
> canopies I have
> > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
> >
> > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless.
> Don't believe
> > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em
> out. You'll
> > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't
> > straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.
> >
> > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When
> tested with the
> > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep
> > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she
> caught me
> > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).
> >
> > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and
> works better
> > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
> >
> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
> >
> > W
> >
> > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an
> > advertisment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Rocky Mountain Fly In |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Who's going? Is it a nice fly in for a 3 hour flight?
Paul Besing
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Both systems work, the ti-downs are more than
sufficient for any RV. I guess you could carry a
couple of gallons of water, a bag of sac-crete and
three 12" eye-bolts... ;-)
Oh, and a small shovel.
Darrell
do not archive
--- Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think
> the
> kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't
> anywhere
> close to what an engine hoist would pull. The loads
> are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds
> might hit the airplane. An engine hoist is going to
> progressively pull harder and consistently.
>
> I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling
> airplanes with no problem. Plus, they screw into
> just
> about anything without bending or breaking.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> --- Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
> > <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection
> and
> > tilt up canopies I have
> > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie
> downs.
> >
> > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium
> > are useless. Don't believe
> > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine
> host
> > to pull 'em out. You'll
> > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look
> > nice and down't
> > straighten out but they do come out very easily
> even
> > at an angle.
> >
> > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The
> > Claw". When tested with the
> > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled
> out
> > a one foot deep
> > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO
> > owner as she caught me
> > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and
> > made nice to her).
> >
> > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered
> > quickly and works better
> > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
> >
> >
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
> >
> >
> > W
> >
> > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so
> > this is not an
> > advertisment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> >
> > Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
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That sounds plausible! How small a shovel...?
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Reiley
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tie Downs
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Both systems work, the ti-downs are more than
sufficient for any RV. I guess you could carry a
couple of gallons of water, a bag of sac-crete and
three 12" eye-bolts... ;-)
Oh, and a small shovel.
Darrell
do not archive
--- Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think
> the
> kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't
> anywhere
> close to what an engine hoist would pull. The loads
> are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds
> might hit the airplane. An engine hoist is going to
> progressively pull harder and consistently.
>
> I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling
> airplanes with no problem. Plus, they screw into
> just
> about anything without bending or breaking.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> --- Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
> > <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection
> and
> > tilt up canopies I have
> > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie
> downs.
> >
> > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium
> > are useless. Don't believe
> > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine
> host
> > to pull 'em out. You'll
> > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look
> > nice and down't
> > straighten out but they do come out very easily
> even
> > at an angle.
> >
> > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The
> > Claw". When tested with the
> > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled
> out
> > a one foot deep
> > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO
> > owner as she caught me
> > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and
> > made nice to her).
> >
> > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered
> > quickly and works better
> > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
> >
> >
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
> >
> >
> > W
> >
> > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so
> > this is not an
> > advertisment
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> >
> > Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> browse
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> FAQ,
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rocky Mountain Fly In |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 04:08 PM 6/15/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
>Who's going? Is it a nice fly in for a 3 hour flight?
Seems adequate. My one beef with it and why I may not go is that
unless you "show" your plane you will have to stop on the taxiway
and physically push your plane onto the prairie grass to the east.
Then the same applies when you want to leave. It is not smooth
turf grass.
Website: http://www.rmrfi.org/
If you go, pre-register to save admission fee.
Personally, if you are not from this area a trip to Leadville would be
worthwhile (early morning departure)
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tony Marshall" <tony@lambros.com>
I have seen them both. I have the claw set that I used for my 182. No
question....it works great...but the set is quite heavy, hammer and all.
The titaniums seem to be more than adequate for RVs...and I just purchased a
set.
tony marshall
rv6
polson, mt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Reiley" <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tie Downs
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Both systems work, the ti-downs are more than
> sufficient for any RV. I guess you could carry a
> couple of gallons of water, a bag of sac-crete and
> three 12" eye-bolts... ;-)
>
> Oh, and a small shovel.
>
> Darrell
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --- Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
>> <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>>
>> While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't think
>> the
>> kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't
>> anywhere
>> close to what an engine hoist would pull. The loads
>> are going to be brief jerking when gusts of winds
>> might hit the airplane. An engine hoist is going to
>> progressively pull harder and consistently.
>>
>> I've seen these tie downs hold down some buckling
>> airplanes with no problem. Plus, they screw into
>> just
>> about anything without bending or breaking.
>>
>> Paul Besing
>>
>> --- Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
>> > <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>> >
>> > Well,
>> >
>> > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection
>> and
>> > tilt up canopies I have
>> > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie
>> downs.
>> >
>> > The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium
>> > are useless. Don't believe
>> > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine
>> host
>> > to pull 'em out. You'll
>> > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look
>> > nice and down't
>> > straighten out but they do come out very easily
>> even
>> > at an angle.
>> >
>> > The one's I use are a little heavier called "The
>> > Claw". When tested with the
>> > hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled
>> out
>> > a one foot deep
>> > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO
>> > owner as she caught me
>> > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and
>> > made nice to her).
>> >
>> > Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered
>> > quickly and works better
>> > the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>> >
>> >
>> > W
>> >
>> > PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so
>> > this is not an
>> > advertisment
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > browse
>> > Subscriptions page,
>> > FAQ,
>> >
>> >
>> > Admin.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>>
>> Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
That's a good question...? You would want it big
enough to get a turd out of the punch bowl. 8^)
Instead of a golf club bag mod, you could install a
shovel holder. ;)
Darrell
do not archive
--- "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net> wrote:
> That sounds plausible! How small a shovel...?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Reiley
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tie Downs
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> Both systems work, the ti-downs are more than
> sufficient for any RV. I guess you could carry a
> couple of gallons of water, a bag of sac-crete and
> three 12" eye-bolts... ;-)
>
> Oh, and a small shovel.
>
> Darrell
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --- Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing
> > <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> >
> > While I'm sure the claw works great, I don't
> think
> > the
> > kind of loads that these tie downs see aren't
> > anywhere
> > close to what an engine hoist would pull. The
> loads
> > are going to be brief jerking when gusts of
> winds
> > might hit the airplane. An engine hoist is
> going to
> > progressively pull harder and consistently.
> >
> > I've seen these tie downs hold down some
> buckling
> > airplanes with no problem. Plus, they screw
> into
> > just
> > about anything without bending or breaking.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> >
> > --- Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North
> > > <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
> > >
> > > Well,
> > >
> > > along with nose draggers, primer, fuel
> injection
> > and
> > > tilt up canopies I have
> > > to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie
> > downs.
> > >
> > > The little doggy ties, even when made of
> titanium
> > > are useless. Don't believe
> > > me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an
> engine
> > host
> > > to pull 'em out. You'll
> > > be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones
> look
> > > nice and down't
> > > straighten out but they do come out very
> easily
> > even
> > > at an angle.
> > >
> > > The one's I use are a little heavier called
> "The
> > > Claw". When tested with the
> > > hoist the hoist was straining and it then
> pulled
> > out
> > > a one foot deep
> > > triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the
> FBO
> > > owner as she caught me
> > > just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up
> and
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Wheeler,
Last October, Hurricane Wilma hit South Florida. Local RV-9A
builder, Eddie Fernandez has use of a friend's Cessna 172. Eddie
purchased The Claw for his friend's 172, which is based at McIvor
(private strip in Southwest Ranches, Florida). This is a grass strip
and the plane was tied down outside. Wilma did major damage to the
hangers at all the local airports.
One leg of one of The Claw units broke in half, but that 172 stayed
put. Remember that here in South Florida, we don't have much that
resembles real dirt. Mostly its just grass covered sand. Ed was so
impressed with the performance of The Claw, that he sent a letter and
photos of the plane after the hurricane to the manufacturer. The
manufacturer sent him a free replacement. Now that's a great product
and an excellent company.
Charlie Kuss
Boca Raton, Florida
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
>Well,
>
>along with nose draggers, primer, fuel injection and tilt up canopies I have
>to through the turd in a punchbowl about tie downs.
>
>The little doggy ties, even when made of titanium are useless. Don't believe
>me? Screw 'em into the ground and use an engine host to pull 'em out. You'll
>be surprised how little it takes. The ti ones look nice and down't
>straighten out but they do come out very easily even at an angle.
>
>The one's I use are a little heavier called "The Claw". When tested with the
>hoist the hoist was straining and it then pulled out a one foot deep
>triangle clump of turf. (Kinda pissed off the FBO owner as she caught me
>just as it ripped it out, but I patched it up and made nice to her).
>
>Since the Claw costs about the same, is delivered quickly and works better
>the few extra pounds are a no-brainer to me.
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/claw.php
>
>W
>
>PS, I have no idea who the heck makes these... so this is not an
>advertisment
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carb fuel/air distribution |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Wheeler,
Thanks for the info on the MS carb. I haven't looked at one closely
in a few years. Basically, it reminds me of a scaled up Briggs and
Stratton lawn mower carburetor! :-) Do you know of any modifications
(experimental only) that can be done to improve this situation? From
what you describe, it doesn't sound like much can be done.
I agree about the short distance from the throttle plate to the
plenum. It sure isn't aerodynamic.
Charlie
>--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
>
>Charlie,
>
>While I do agree that the sumps and cylinders have some inconsistances, the
>real culprit for A/F imbalance is in the old Marvel/Schebler, in the
>throttle throat design.
>
>The fuel discharge nozzle comes in at an angle and unloads about an inch
>away from the throttle plate. This plate is only a balanced splitter of the
>fuel flow when it is vertical (Full Throttle) and even then it isn't fully
>balanced due to the angle of the discharge nozzle. So pretty much at all
>times either side of the throttle plate sees entirely different ratios of
>fuel and air going by. This is also true at idle due to the side location of
>the idle and transition nozzles.
>
>As well, it's only about 2.5 inches from the discharge nozzle to the flow
>divider in the sump, not nearly enough distance to mix the air and fuel for
>even distribution.
>
>If somebody came up with a reliable and effective mixing plate that bolted
>between the carb and the engine they might make some good money... they
>might even get some of mine.
>
>That all said my old M-S works fine everytime... even upside down if I don't
>stay there too long.
>
>W
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tips for tip up |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Frank:
You don't have to use fiberglass at all. I didn't like the idea of
epoxying fiberglass to the aluminum. It would make changing out the
canopy very difficult. I followed the instructions in the RV-ator for
making the front fairing from a sheet of 0.025 aluminum. It took an
afternoon. My third attempt fit perfectly. Fiberglass would have taken
much more time. I can remove it by drilling out the soft pop rivets
that hold it in. Lexel seals the aluminum to the plexi. I like to make
things so they can be disassembled.
Frank Stringham wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
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> Hi to all
>
> Hate to change the subject (IFR or NOT)...........but I need some
> advice on the type of fiberglass / carbon cloth (Bi or Uni), and resin
> / hardner ( West Systems, Aero epoxy) types to start the fiberglass
> portion of the tip up canopy build. Best vendors would also be
> appreciated. I have searched the archives and google for info but need
> some more info to make the final choice.
>
> TIA
>
> Frank @ SGU and SLC Canopy and looking for $$$$$$$$$$$$$ to finish
> the project
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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