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1. 01:50 AM - Save y0ur budget, p0werful medicine for a l0w price. (Nancy)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Houston Airport (Richard Reynolds)
3. 04:13 AM - Re: Man. Press port? (RVer273sb@aol.com)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Houston Airport (Dwpetrus@aol.com)
5. 04:36 AM - Re: Cowl Louvers (Larry Bowen)
6. 05:22 AM - Re: Labelling the panel - what's 'legal' (RV6 Flyer)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Delamarter, Jon)
8. 07:14 AM - Re: Good active noise cancelling headset (deuskid)
9. 07:19 AM - video tapes (bertrv6@highstream.net)
10. 08:22 AM - Man. Press port? (James H Nelson)
11. 08:39 AM - Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Larry Pardue)
12. 08:52 AM - Re: Houston Airport (Craig)
13. 09:12 AM - For Sale Firewall forward 0-320 H2AD, 160HP, 870 SMOH (J. R. Dial)
14. 09:17 AM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Albert Gardner)
15. 09:19 AM - Re: Man. Press port? (D.Bristol)
16. 09:28 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Charlie Kuss)
17. 09:32 AM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Sam Buchanan)
18. 09:46 AM - Re: Man. Press port? (Terry Watson)
19. 09:56 AM - Re: Houston Airport (low pass)
20. 09:56 AM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Larry Pardue)
21. 11:58 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Paul Besing)
22. 12:02 PM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Larry Pardue)
23. 12:04 PM - Re: Man. Press port? (James H Nelson)
24. 12:35 PM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (RV6 Flyer)
25. 03:21 PM - Re: Cowl Louvers (Ron Lee)
26. 03:28 PM - Re: Cowl Louvers (Larry Bowen)
27. 05:01 PM - Re: Labelling the panel - what's 'legal' (Kevin Horton)
28. 05:29 PM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (RV6 Flyer)
29. 08:06 PM - parachute for sale (RVer273sb@aol.com)
30. 08:12 PM - Trio EZ Pilot-Redux (Larry Pardue)
31. 08:28 PM - Lorance 2000 gps (RVer273sb@aol.com)
32. 09:37 PM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long (Sam Buchanan)
33. 09:58 PM - RV 10 Intersection Fairings (Bob Snedaker)
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| Subject: | Save y0ur budget, p0werful medicine for a l0w price. |
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| Subject: | Re: Houston Airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
In December 2005, I flew into Houston-Southwest AXH, just under the
edge of the Class B, Small airport, service was good, rental car on
site, especially if you call ahead.
In picking a Houston airport, where are you going? Traffic on the
ground is the biggest consideration. IAX is almost directly south of
Houston, 6 mi south of Beltway 8 on FM 521, Arcola, Take FM 521
directly into downtown Houston, no freeway traffic to deal with! If
you pick SGR, IWS, or DWH, beware of the freeway traffic.
Richard Reynolds
Texas-American, Houston Native, but I would not move back there,
toooooooo bigggggggg.
On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:31 PM, Bruce Bell wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell"
> <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Planning to fly my old Bonanza to Houston for family reunion. Any
> recommended airports to land at.
> Best regards,
> Bruce Bell
> Lubbock, Texas
> 1949 A35 Bonanza N723B (VFR)
> RV-4 N23BB just about ready for the DAR
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Man. Press port? |
Jim,
I drilled and tapped the aft side of the API upper flange
for 16th pipe threads. Installed a flare fitting for a hose hook up.
Did this for the MAP and E-Mag systems.
Or you can take it off any cylinder primer port.
Stewart RV 4 Colo.
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Houston Airport |
ellington field
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Louvers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Ron -
What sort of temp differences did you see after the louver installation?
Your exit area at the exhaust already looks pretty big.....
--
Larry Bowen, RV-8. 105`F in the hanger yesterday...
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Ron Lee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Here are the louvers on my plane:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kykdr
>
> Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Labelling the panel - what's 'legal' |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Gerry:
Your aircraft is insected IAW FAA Order 8130.2F (Change 1 is latest as of
June 23, 2006).
http://tinyurl.com/zrmzs
FAA Order 8130.2F PAR 147(c) require cockpit instruments marked properly,
needed placards installed and placed for easy reference. All system controls
properly marked, CB's clearly marked, and function as intended. (from page
154-155)
Do not forget that you can use TWO (2) rows of names over the switches.
ie:
Left Fuel LND
Mag Pump Light
I know of no regulation that says you cannot use an abbeiviation. Your
operating limitations will require that you inspect the markings at each
condition inspection.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,869 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://www.rvdar.com
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:59 PM
>--> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>
>
>My switches are bunched together quite tightly, to get the
>labels into place I want to abbreviate some of the labels - is
>this 'legal' ?
>
>Here are some examples:
>
>ALT/BATT
>L.MAG
>R.IGN
>FUEL PMP
>POSN/STRB
>LNDG LGHT
>
>
>__g__
>
>=========================================================
>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
> Tel: 415 203 9177
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
Michael:
First, my apologies for inadvertently archiving my initial post. I'm still
learning how Matronics works. With regard to your comments about crankshaft
Service Bulletins and ADs, I will comment on this list only once. While all
of us have struggled the last several years with crankshaft issues, I think
you would agree that these issues have not changed the fact that Lycoming
continues to build the best aircraft engines in the world, bar none. The
latest SBs resulted from careful consideration on the part of Lycoming with
regard to the long-term benefit and satisfaction of our customers. While we
understand the extreme frustration of all you folks impacted by these
issues, we have made what we believe to be the prudent choice. Going
forward, we have taken extreme measures to strengthen our quality system and
oversight of our suppliers. We have been the best in the business for over
75 years. We are absolutely committed to our customers, our product, and
to continuous improvement. We would welcome you to visit our factory and
see for yourself how these commitments are played out everyday.
Respectfully,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Textron Lycoming
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| Subject: | Re: Good active noise cancelling headset |
--> RV-List message posted by: "deuskid" <empire.john@gmail.com>
go down 10 threads then 2 more to see 2 recent discussions on ANRs.
search is your friend
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42540#42540
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--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
The Orndorff Video tapes have been sold. Sorry Ed'''
Bert
rv6a
do not archive
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| Subject: | Man. Press port? |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Thanks for the ideas. I was hoping that there was a port some where on
the air meter from API. I'm surprised that they don't provide a port.
I guess I'll pull it apart and do a tapped hole. I've got dual "P" mags
so I need MP for them also like you did. There is no other port
available with fuel injection that I'm aware of.
Jim
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| Subject: | Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
If you don't want to read something that could be construed as
critical of this device, please don't read further.
I have been flying with a Navaid Devices autopilot for over seven
years in my RV-6. I have loved and hated it. It is admirably simple
and has always worked well in most ways, as in it is a good wing-
leveler when not tracking and tracks well all the time. It may not
be right on the center line, and you may have to use the trim knobs
once in a while, but that does not really matter to me.
What I don't like about it is that it has never showed close to
accurate standard rate turn information and the centering has never
been stable. I think the reason it doesn't show accurate standard
rate turn information is that that is derived from the gyro working
against two separate springs that may not have the same tension
because of different tensions in the springs themselves and because
the gyro may not be centered with respect to the spring mounting.
When I first complained about this, Navaid Devices suggested I open
the unit and fix it, which I have done several times, thereby my
familiarity with it.
During straight flight the center LED should be lit, but this also
changes so that after a while there may be two or three LEDs lit,
showing a turn in straight flight. The unit still works when this
happens, after being corrected for by trim knobs, but I don't like
it. To fix this I remove and open the unit and move the gyro a bit
in its mount. Then I power it up on the bench and see if it shows
straight, if not, I iterate the process until it does. Then I fix
the gyro in the mount with a bit of glue and reinstall it in the
airplane. It shows straight for a few flights then gets off again.
When I read that the Trio EZ Pilot is a direct replacement for the
Navaid Devices, with a supplied conversion cable, and saw how much
more sophisticated the EZ Pilot is, I was sold. I read one account
of the conversion being done in fifteen minutes, but I don't
understand this. I installed my EZ Pilot last night, and indeed it
was very quick, however there was no GPS data getting to the unit.
Well, I did further research and discover that MY Navaid Devices uses
left right steering information only and the EZ Pilot uses serial
data from the GPS. So although the supplied cable hooks up the power
and servo correctly, I now need to wire an additional cable from the
GPS to the EZ Pilot. Is this because I have an earlier Navaid
Devices? Do any of them use serial data? I have found no mention in
the Trio literature of this problem.
Since I had no GPS data I did the calibrations that could be done
without it. One calibration is to center the servo. This requires
that you trim the airplane so it doesn't want to go left or right,
then engage the servo and trim it for wings level. While doing this
I would fly straight for a while, then would turn around, so as to
not get too far away from the airport, then continue the operation.
I am sure the EZ Pilot works great when it has a GPS signal, but I
found it was kind of scary without it. For instance, I could have
it trimmed for straight flight, do a moderate to steep turn to
another heading, level off, engage the servo and have it abruptly
enter a steep turn, e.g. 40 degree bank, then instead of working its
way back to straight flight, the bank angle would gradually increase,
until I disengaged the servo again at about 60 degrees of bank.
During the steep turn, the pseudo turn coordinator would be showing
straight flight.
Will I be happy with this unit. I think so, but now I realize the
pseudo turn coordinator does not sense yaw, on its own, and is not
suitable for emergency use, without GPS input. That is disappointing
to me, because that is something the crude Navaid Devices unit does
well.
This is hinted at slightly in the Trio literature. They talk about
how gravity is not used to help erect the indication. I think they
need to emphasize the problem more clearly.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Houston Airport |
Best airport depends entirely on where in Houston you are going. You can land
in Houston and still be 50 miles from your destination. West side I'd go to IWS.
East side, Ellington. North side DWH. South, not sure since SPX was bulldozed
away a few years back.
I was based at IWS for a few years in the past. It has excellent facilities,
but not real cheap.
Craig
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| Subject: | For Sale Firewall forward 0-320 H2AD, 160HP, 870 SMOH |
My friend that has his RV6A in my hanger just
got divorced so he now does not have someone telling him what to do and
has the money to upgrade to a XP-360, 180 HP, and Sensenich prop as I
have on my RV6.
He is selling firewall forward including wood
prop, oil cooler, hoses, Vetterman exhaust, baffling etc. This is on a
flying plane so he can give you a ride, and you or whoever you might
want can check it out.
His new engine is going to be delivered next
week so we will be pulling it off the plane at that time.
You can email me at jrdial@hal-pc.org
Or call him at Jimmy Bennett 830-598-4221
He is in Albuquerque with it right now but
should be back to Spicewood, TX (88R) in a couple of days.
$7,500.00
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| Subject: | Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
A buddy of mine has a Trio unit and I have a Navaid-both installed in
RV-9A's. We flew over to El Cajon (KSEE) to see Trio and the differences was
explained this way:
Navaid uses a GPS conversion unit (Smart Coupler) either internally or
externally to decode the GPS data stream into left/right steering signals.
The advantage of this is that you can also use the left/right steering
signal from a VOR to drive the Navaid, selecting one or the other with a
switch.
Trio uses only the GPS data but can't be driven by the VOR signals. It seems
more stable and intercepts/follows a course better than mine, is far lighter
and doesn't use mechanical gyros.
Although Trio offers a cable to replace the Navaid they (Trio) offers their
own servo and thinks it is better. Initially I installed my Navaid where the
Turn Indicator usually is in the panel but later moved it and installed a
Turn Indicator.
I like mine, he likes his, but in my RV-10 I'm installing a TruTrak.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Man. Press port? |
Just take it off the primer port on #3 cylinder. You won't be using it
for primer since you've got FI.
Dave
James H Nelson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
>Thanks for the ideas. I was hoping that there was a port some where on
>the air meter from API. I'm surprised that they don't provide a port.
>I guess I'll pull it apart and do a tapped hole. I've got dual "P" mags
>so I need MP for them also like you did. There is no other port
>available with fuel injection that I'm aware of.
>
>Jim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Jon
Spare me the hype about Lycoming's long and
glorious history of great products. Those great
products of the past were built and assembled by
workers in your Pennsylvania plant. It seems that
ever since the "bean counters" at Lycoming
decided to out source the product, that they've
had problems. The problems have all been with
items produced by these vendors. Thanks but no
thanks. I'll be doing business with your competitors.
Charlie Kuss
do not archive
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon"
><JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
>
>Michael:
>
>First, my apologies for inadvertently archiving my initial post. I'm still
>learning how Matronics works. With regard to your comments about crankshaft
>Service Bulletins and ADs, I will comment on this list only once. While all
>of us have struggled the last several years with crankshaft issues, I think
>you would agree that these issues have not changed the fact that Lycoming
>continues to build the best aircraft engines in the world, bar none. The
>latest SBs resulted from careful consideration on the part of Lycoming with
>regard to the long-term benefit and satisfaction of our customers. While we
>understand the extreme frustration of all you folks impacted by these
>issues, we have made what we believe to be the prudent choice. Going
>forward, we have taken extreme measures to strengthen our quality system and
>oversight of our suppliers. We have been the best in the business for over
>75 years. We are absolutely committed to our customers, our product, and
>to continuous improvement. We would welcome you to visit our factory and
>see for yourself how these commitments are played out everyday.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Jon A. Delamarter
>Thunderbolt Manager
>Textron Lycoming
>
>NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic
>Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
>be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
>hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying
>of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
>that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Larry Pardue wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
<snip>
> When I read that the Trio EZ Pilot is a direct replacement for the
> Navaid Devices, with a supplied conversion cable, and saw how much more
> sophisticated the EZ Pilot is, I was sold. I read one account of the
> conversion being done in fifteen minutes, but I don't understand this. I
> installed my EZ Pilot last night, and indeed it was very quick, however
> there was no GPS data getting to the unit. Well, I did further research
> and discover that MY Navaid Devices uses left right steering information
> only and the EZ Pilot uses serial data from the GPS. So although the
> supplied cable hooks up the power and servo correctly, I now need to
> wire an additional cable from the GPS to the EZ Pilot. Is this because
> I have an earlier Navaid Devices? Do any of them use serial data? I
> have found no mention in the Trio literature of this problem.
Larry, your Navaid installation is a bit unusual in that you have not
been using it in conjunction with a GPS. All the Navaid installations I
have seen in the past many years have included the "Smart Coupler" which
allows the Navaid to also use the NMEA data feed from a GPS. For those
of us (nearly all Navaid installations??) who used the Navaid with a
GPS, the Trio conversion is indeed a very quick deal since no additional
wiring needs to be added. I suspect this is not mentioned in the Trio
literature because the Navaids being run with *only* a nav radio are so
rare.
> Since I had no GPS data I did the calibrations that could be done
> without it. One calibration is to center the servo. This requires that
> you trim the airplane so it doesn't want to go left or right, then
> engage the servo and trim it for wings level. While doing this I would
> fly straight for a while, then would turn around, so as to not get too
> far away from the airport, then continue the operation. I am sure the
> EZ Pilot works great when it has a GPS signal, but I found it was kind
> of scary without it. For instance, I could have it trimmed for
> straight flight, do a moderate to steep turn to another heading, level
> off, engage the servo and have it abruptly enter a steep turn, e.g. 40
> degree bank, then instead of working its way back to straight flight,
> the bank angle would gradually increase, until I disengaged the servo
> again at about 60 degrees of bank. During the steep turn, the pseudo
> turn coordinator would be showing straight flight.
You will be very impressed at how well the EZ-Pilot operates once it is
connected to a GPS. More than likely, if you allowed the EZ-Pilot to
initialize on the ground while the plane was motionless (it has to
figure out what is "level") the non-GPS operation of the unit would have
been MUCH better. I have run my EZ-Pilot for extended periods of time
after tuning off the GPS and it does a credible job of keeping the plane
level and going in a pretty straight line.
>
> Will I be happy with this unit. I think so, but now I realize the
> pseudo turn coordinator does not sense yaw, on its own, and is not
> suitable for emergency use, without GPS input. That is disappointing to
> me, because that is something the crude Navaid Devices unit does well.
Once again, if your GPS goes belly-up in-flight, the EZ-Pilot should be
more than capable of helping you fly the plane to a safe landing.
> This is hinted at slightly in the Trio literature. They talk about how
> gravity is not used to help erect the indication. I think they need to
> emphasize the problem more clearly.
This probably receives little "emphasis" since GPS is now so reliable
and also because the EZ-Pilot is NOT advertised as being a primary
flight instrument.
Give us another report after you accumulate a few hours with the
EZ-Pilot! :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Man. Press port? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Jim,
Maybe I missed something here, but weren't you asking about the manifold
pressure for a Superior IO-360 180hp from Aerosport Power? If so, there is a
port on each cylinder which I believe can also be used as a primer port. The
recommended port to use is the right cylinder, closest to the firewall,
which would be #3. The port is on the corner of the cylinder head closest to
the firewall, lower side. The black fabric-covered hose (VA119?)that came
with my firewall forward stuff from Vans was sized to go from that port to
the firewall location shown on the drawings. My AFP fuel injection system,
installed by Bart, injects fuel into a port on the top of the cylinder head,
directly above the port I am talking about.
The drawing on the second sheet of my "Pre-start and Breakin Procedures"
papers from Aerosport show a drawing of the rear of the engine and label
this port "maniford pressure conn."
Terry
RV-8A
Aerosport Power IO-360-B1B (180 hp) with Airflow Performance fuel injection
& Lightspeed Plasma II, right side only.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:16 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Thanks for the ideas. I was hoping that there was a port some where on
the air meter from API. I'm surprised that they don't provide a port.
I guess I'll pull it apart and do a tapped hole. I've got dual "P" mags
so I need MP for them also like you did. There is no other port
available with fuel injection that I'm aware of.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Houston Airport |
--> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Best airport depends entirely on where in Houston you are going.? You can land
in Houston and still be 50 miles from your destination.? West side I'd go to
IWS.? East side, Ellington.??North side DWH.? South, not sure since SPX was bulldozed
away a few years back.
> ?
> I was based at IWS for a few years in the past.? It has excellent facilities,
but not real cheap.
> ?
> Craig
> ?
Southeast - Pearland Regional (formerly known as Clover Field for 50+ years).
South - Houston Southwest Airport.
Southwest - Sugarland (most $$ of the 3).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42593#42593
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On Jun 23, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Larry Pardue wrote:
I have already gotten a call from Trio about my observations. They
were very nice and gave me some things to check.
> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
>
>
> When I read that the Trio EZ Pilot is a direct replacement for the
> Navaid Devices, with a supplied conversion cable, and saw how much
> more sophisticated the EZ Pilot is, I was sold. I read one account
> of the conversion being done in fifteen minutes, but I don't
> understand this. I installed my EZ Pilot last night, and indeed it
> was very quick, however there was no GPS data getting to the unit.
> Well, I did further research and discover that MY Navaid Devices
> uses left right steering information only and the EZ Pilot uses
> serial data from the GPS. So although the supplied cable hooks up
> the power and servo correctly, I now need to wire an additional
> cable from the GPS to the EZ Pilot. Is this because I have an
> earlier Navaid Devices? Do any of them use serial data? I have
> found no mention in the Trio literature of this problem.
Trio, agreed that the serial cable (one wire only) needs to be run.
I don't believe that is mentioned anywhere. They did mention that if
you have been running the Porcine interface, it is a plug-in conversion
>
> Since I had no GPS data I did the calibrations that could be done
> without it. One calibration is to center the servo. This requires
> that you trim the airplane so it doesn't want to go left or right,
> then engage the servo and trim it for wings level. While doing
> this I would fly straight for a while, then would turn around, so
> as to not get too far away from the airport, then continue the
> operation. I am sure the EZ Pilot works great when it has a GPS
> signal, but I found it was kind of scary without it. For
> instance, I could have it trimmed for straight flight, do a
> moderate to steep turn to another heading, level off, engage the
> servo and have it abruptly enter a steep turn, e.g. 40 degree bank,
> then instead of working its way back to straight flight, the bank
> angle would gradually increase, until I disengaged the servo again
> at about 60 degrees of bank. During the steep turn, the pseudo
> turn coordinator would be showing straight flight.
>
It turns out this behavior may have been because I was turning the
unit on and off during the calibration (per instruction). Has to do
with gyro bias data being stored in memory. Trio says the EZ Pilot
DOES sense yaw. Trio said if you have been flying normally and lose
the GPS data, the pseudo turn coordinator should be accurate. They
gave me some ways to check if my unit is defective or not. I will
report back.
I am sure happy with the service and concern of the company.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
Ouch..Looks like Lycosaur's have some making up to
do...for this program to be successful, they better be
OUTSTANDING engines, service, delivery, etc.
Lots of bad blood running around about Lycoming,
especially with many more engine choices now.
One thing that would make this engine program work is
to make a FADEC a viable and cost effective option. I
ran into a guy who had the FADEC system and it is
amazing. IO-360 burning 7 GPH. No mixture knob..just
push the throttle in and go, no matter how high/hot
you are!
Paul Besing
RV-4 Arizona
(Still flying behind a Lycoming, although using oil
and fouling plugs)
--- Charlie Kuss <chaztuna@adelphia.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss
> <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
> Jon
> Spare me the hype about Lycoming's long and
> glorious history of great products. Those great
> products of the past were built and assembled by
> workers in your Pennsylvania plant. It seems that
> ever since the "bean counters" at Lycoming
> decided to out source the product, that they've
> had problems. The problems have all been with
> items produced by these vendors. Thanks but no
> thanks. I'll be doing business with your
> competitors.
> Charlie Kuss
>
> do not archive
>
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> >
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> >learning how Matronics works. With regard to your
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> >of us have struggled the last several years with
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> >you would agree that these issues have not changed
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> >continues to build the best aircraft engines in the
> world, bar none. The
> >latest SBs resulted from careful consideration on
> the part of Lycoming with
> >regard to the long-term benefit and satisfaction of
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> >understand the extreme frustration of all you folks
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On 6/23/06 10:31 AM, "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Larry Pardue wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> <snip>
>> When I read that the Trio EZ Pilot is a direct replacement for the
>> Navaid Devices, with a supplied conversion cable, and saw how much more
>> sophisticated the EZ Pilot is, I was sold. I read one account of the
>> conversion being done in fifteen minutes, but I don't understand this. I
>> installed my EZ Pilot last night, and indeed it was very quick, however
>> there was no GPS data getting to the unit. Well, I did further research
>> and discover that MY Navaid Devices uses left right steering information
>> only and the EZ Pilot uses serial data from the GPS. So although the
>> supplied cable hooks up the power and servo correctly, I now need to
>> wire an additional cable from the GPS to the EZ Pilot. Is this because
>> I have an earlier Navaid Devices? Do any of them use serial data? I
>> have found no mention in the Trio literature of this problem.
>
> Larry, your Navaid installation is a bit unusual in that you have not
> been using it in conjunction with a GPS. All the Navaid installations I
> have seen in the past many years have included the "Smart Coupler" which
> allows the Navaid to also use the NMEA data feed from a GPS. For those
> of us (nearly all Navaid installations??) who used the Navaid with a
> GPS, the Trio conversion is indeed a very quick deal since no additional
> wiring needs to be added. I suspect this is not mentioned in the Trio
> literature because the Navaids being run with *only* a nav radio are so
> rare.
>
Sam,
I have been using my Navaid with a GPS. What may be a bit unusual is that
it is a panel mount GPS that has left right output capability. That made it
capable of driving the Navaid without a coupler. This, theoretically, also
made it possible to switch back and forth between VOR/Loc driving the Navaid
to GPS driving it, although I was never successful getting the VOR to work
with it.
I plan to do the additional wiring this evening to make the GPS work, and am
looking forward to testing the turn coordinator function, without turning
the unit on and off. I wonder if anyone else has done careful testing in
this mode?
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Man. Press port? |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Hi Terry,
I had not mentioned the brand of the engine but its a Mattituck
build of ECI parts. I was not aware of a port in the lower part of the
cylinder. I will look for it tonight. I had looked over the top of the
engine and around the throttle body / air meter of the AFP unit and had
not found any port to take manifold pressure from. Many thanks for the
heads up!
Jim Nelson
RV9-A 90599 FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Sam and Larry:
I just changed out my Navaid for a Trio last weekend. My Navaid had the
smart coupler that did not work well so I used the CDI outputs from the GPS.
It would track VOR or GPS by switching the ACU to the GPS or NAV. I wired
the GPS Serial port #2 to the Navaid. I used Serial port #1 from the GX60 to
the SL30. I could only program one serial port to MAP so either I had
serial data to the SL30 or the Navaid and not both. I was too lazy to change
the wiring so used the Navaid with the CDI inputs. The GX60 was set to 0.3
NM full scale to get acceptable operation. I never had the Navaid working
correctly on the serial data port.
The Navaid did not track a course the last two times I used it. I ordered
the Trio to replace it. I still needed to make one wiring change to get the
serial data to the Trio. I removed my serial port wire from pin 22 and
spliced it with pin 5 at the GX60. The Trio worked right out of the box.
I ordered the Trio on Tuesday. Had it on Thursday. Installed it on Saturday
and test flew it. Last Sunday was a calibration flight and it is now ready
for a trip next weekend.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,869 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On 6/23/06 10:31 AM, "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> Larry Pardue wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
> <snip>
>> When I read that the Trio EZ Pilot is a direct replacement for the
>> Navaid Devices, with a supplied conversion cable, and saw how much more
>> sophisticated the EZ Pilot is, I was sold. I read one account of the
>> conversion being done in fifteen minutes, but I don't understand this. I
>> installed my EZ Pilot last night, and indeed it was very quick, however
>> there was no GPS data getting to the unit. Well, I did further research
>> and discover that MY Navaid Devices uses left right steering information
>> only and the EZ Pilot uses serial data from the GPS. So although the
>> supplied cable hooks up the power and servo correctly, I now need to
>> wire an additional cable from the GPS to the EZ Pilot. Is this because
>> I have an earlier Navaid Devices? Do any of them use serial data? I
>> have found no mention in the Trio literature of this problem.
>
> Larry, your Navaid installation is a bit unusual in that you have not
> been using it in conjunction with a GPS. All the Navaid installations I
> have seen in the past many years have included the "Smart Coupler" which
> allows the Navaid to also use the NMEA data feed from a GPS. For those
> of us (nearly all Navaid installations??) who used the Navaid with a
> GPS, the Trio conversion is indeed a very quick deal since no additional
> wiring needs to be added. I suspect this is not mentioned in the Trio
> literature because the Navaids being run with *only* a nav radio are so
> rare.
>
Sam,
I have been using my Navaid with a GPS. What may be a bit unusual is that
it is a panel mount GPS that has left right output capability. That made it
capable of driving the Navaid without a coupler. This, theoretically, also
made it possible to switch back and forth between VOR/Loc driving the Navaid
to GPS driving it, although I was never successful getting the VOR to work
with it.
I plan to do the additional wiring this evening to make the GPS work, and am
looking forward to testing the turn coordinator function, without turning
the unit on and off. I wonder if anyone else has done careful testing in
this mode?
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Louvers |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>What sort of temp differences did you see after the louver installation?
>Your exit area at the exhaust already looks pretty big.....
Larry, I did this last year so my recollection of actual temp drops
is to be considered suspect until I can find the actual data or post
that I made at that time.
I did three things. First I removed the three or four cabin heat hoses
that ran across the back area. That helped reduce oil temps 10-15
deg F.
Second I opened up the bottom cowl exit area that you saw in the pic.
Similar oil temp decrease.
Finally I added the louvers for another similar drop in oil temp.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Louvers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
OK, I thought you were fighting high CHT's. Glad it worked for you.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Ron Lee wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
>>What sort of temp differences did you see after the louver installation?
>>Your exit area at the exhaust already looks pretty big.....
>
>
> Larry, I did this last year so my recollection of actual temp drops
> is to be considered suspect until I can find the actual data or post
> that I made at that time.
>
> I did three things. First I removed the three or four cabin heat hoses
> that ran across the back area. That helped reduce oil temps 10-15
> deg F.
>
> Second I opened up the bottom cowl exit area that you saw in the pic.
> Similar oil temp decrease.
>
> Finally I added the louvers for another similar drop in oil temp.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Labelling the panel - what's 'legal' |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 23 Jun 2006, at 08:20, RV6 Flyer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
>
> Gerry:
>
> Your aircraft is insected IAW FAA Order 8130.2F (Change 1 is latest
> as of June 23, 2006).
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zrmzs
>
> FAA Order 8130.2F PAR 147(c) require cockpit instruments marked
> properly, needed placards installed and placed for easy reference.
> All system controls properly marked, CB's clearly marked, and
> function as intended. (from page 154-155)
>
> Do not forget that you can use TWO (2) rows of names over the
> switches.
>
> ie:
> Left Fuel LND
> Mag Pump Light
>
> I know of no regulation that says you cannot use an abbeiviation.
> Your operating limitations will require that you inspect the
> markings at each condition inspection.
Many Transport Category aircraft use abbreviations on switch labels.
I would make sure that the abbreviations were well documented in your
POH.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Jon:
Welcome to the world of Amateur Built Aircraft.
Thank you for archiving your resume. If you would not have, I would have so
that all could have it for future reference.
I would like to think that you are at the right place. According to the web
site of Van's Aircraft, http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/powerpla.htm our
models of aircraft were designed around your engines and are the only
recommended engines by the designer. Many on this list do not recognize
that the many "clones" of your engines are exacty that, "clones". The
latest pistion engine that has been certificated, is made from aftermark
replacement parts for your engines.
BTW. I am flying behind one of your engines that left the factory in 1961.
It was field rebuilt 9 years ago to new specs. It has over 5,000 hours
since it left the factory. As you can see by the hours, I am about ready to
rebuilt it again or purchase a 180 HP replacement. Your XIO-360-M1B RT now
gives me another option and one which I will consider. Your compeditors
version of the engine is more money than yours and you are the STANDARD by
which all the others are measured.
Welcome aboard.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,869 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
EAA TC
FAA A&P
DAR
http://www.rvdar.com
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| Subject: | parachute for sale |
Listers,
I have a like new Strong Paracushion seat pack parachute
for sale. Used it in an RV- 4 a few times. $600 OBO
Model 304 P/N 1045-1 Excellent and clean condition.
254 lbs max, 150knots Fresh repack.
Photos on request from
_rver273sb@aol.com_ (mailto:rver273sb@aol.com)
do not archive!
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| Subject: | Trio EZ Pilot-Redux |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
Howdy,
I was very discouraged with my brand new Trio EZ-Pilot last night
after having found out it is not plug and play with my Navaid
autopilot and then discovering baffling turn coordinator display
issues and accompanying strange aircraft behavior. Tonight I am
greatly encouraged and happy about my decision to get the EZ-Pilot.
Tonight I treated the machine in a way it would be normally treated
after an install. First I took a hint from Gary Sobek and moved just
one of my analog steering wires to a different position on the GPS
connector and to a different position on the old Navaid connector.
That let the GPS talk to the EZ-Pilot. Then I verified, on the
ground, that the connection was working properly, then started up and
flew.
Things were completely different than yesterday. First I tried all
the EZ-Pilot functions, and there are some real nice ones. I think
the one I will use the most is where you are tracking a course line,
then ATC tells you to turn 15 degrees right, rather than disengage
the autopilot and have to hand fly, you can just give it the course
to fly, then intercept the old course later, if needed. Everything
worked beautifully and smoothly.
Then I tried to duplicate what happened yesterday by turning off the
GPS, entering calibration screens, turning off the autopilot and
everything I could think of, in every order I could think off, but I
could not confuse the autopilot. About the worst thing I could get
to happen would be to do a steep turn then return to wings level
flight and the turn coordinator would very slightly and briefly
overshoot, showing an opposite direction turn.
The only thing I can think of is what the Trio engineer suggested
this morning. Since I never had the GPS working correctly yesterday,
the gyro (gyros?) may never have gotten properly oriented and may
have used an out of date bias value. As stated in their literature,
they do not use gravity to help orient the gyro. Today I tried what I
was worried about yesterday. I would fly a course then turn off the
GPS. No problem, it just gave a no GPS warning and kept trucking. I
would then maneuver (everything short of aerobatics) and return to
straight and level with proper indications the whole time. I also
tried wings level yaws, and yes the indicator reacts to that. In a
stable slip it indicates level/straight, which seems logical.
And yes, if you were already using digital GPS information for your
existing Navaid, it would be a fifteen minute installation, although
Trio doesn't make that claim. If you were using analog steering
information, you have to run one new wire, or move an existing one over.
By the way, those of you in the tailwheel, versus tri-gear debate,
which I don't participate in, here is some fodder. The tailwheel
airplane is at a big disadvantage when you drop those little tiny
screws and nuts from the D connectors onto the uncarpeted floor
while upside down working in a restricted area under the panel. They
scurry straight downhill and lodge under the spar (RV-6) where they
are lost forever.
I really appreciate the great and cheerful support Trio gave me
today. You guys have a terrific product.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Lorance 2000 gps |
Listers,
I have a one year old Lowrance 2000c airmap
GPS for sale. Used twice, like new condition.
Power cable has been shortened. Complete with
all accessories. $600.
Contact me off list at _rver273sb@aol.com_ (mailto:rver273sb@aol.com)
Stewart, RV-4 Co.
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot - Long |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Larry Pardue wrote:
> Sam,
>
> I have been using my Navaid with a GPS. What may be a bit unusual is that
> it is a panel mount GPS that has left right output capability. That made it
> capable of driving the Navaid without a coupler. This, theoretically, also
> made it possible to switch back and forth between VOR/Loc driving the Navaid
> to GPS driving it, although I was never successful getting the VOR to work
> with it.
Oops, I forgot about the panel mount GPS's being able to send out
right/left corrections instead of NMEA.
I used the Smart Coupler with my Navaid and fed it with both a Lowrance
Airmap 100 and a KX125. The Navaid would drive the plane with either
data source but it was interesting to see how much more accurate the
handheld GPS NMEA data was than the VOR-sourced data. But it was neat
being able to track a localizer approach with the KX125. Of course,
more-or-less the same thing can be done with a handheld GPS, or at
least, somebody told me it could be done........ ;-)
Larry, once you get accustomed to the EZ-Pilot, toss one of the new Trio
EZ-2 vertical autopilots in your plane. That little puppy will *really*
spoil you! :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | RV 10 Intersection Fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Snedaker <imfairings@cox.net>
Hi, Just to let you know I now have the upper and lower main intersection fairing for the RV 10. They can be ordered on my web site: www.fairinga-etc.com.
Costs are:
Upper Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $120
Lower Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $130
Please shipping/handling and sales tax where applicable.
Thanks for your support.
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Sincerely,
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
PO Box 5488
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623 203 9795
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