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1. 03:07 AM - Nose fairing needs redesign (Bob Barrow)
2. 04:58 AM - Is there such a thing as too much proseal? (smittysrv)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? (Bob Collins)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? (Jamie Painter)
6. 06:30 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
7. 06:34 AM - O-320 E2A for sale (Charles Heathco)
8. 07:19 AM - Chances are..... (Rick Galati)
9. 08:01 AM - Re: Chances are..... (Folbrecht, Paul)
10. 08:03 AM - Re: Chances are..... (Rob Prior (rv7))
11. 08:44 AM - Re: Chances are..... (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
12. 09:30 AM - Re: RV 10 main intersection fairins ready (Larry Rosen)
13. 10:16 AM - Re: Chances are..... (Chuck Jensen)
14. 10:16 AM - Re: Chances are..... (Michael Hudson)
15. 10:53 AM - RV Fiberglass Fairings for the 10 (Bob Snedaker)
16. 10:56 AM - Re: RV 10 main intersection fairins ready (Bob Snedaker)
17. 12:38 PM - Re: Trio EZ Pilot-Redux (Larry Pardue)
18. 05:09 PM - Re: Chances are..... (John Huft)
19. 05:58 PM - Bendix King KT-76C for sale (sarg314)
20. 05:58 PM - Re: vetterman exhaust, RV-6A with 0-360 (c.ennis)
21. 07:37 PM - RV-9 Folks (Tim Nash)
22. 11:02 PM - Re: Bendix King KT-76C for sale (Danny Lawhon)
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| Subject: | Nose fairing needs redesign |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Barrow" <bobbarrow10@hotmail.com>
There seems to be a blissly optimistic feeling out there that increasing the
fork bolt clearance on the RV7A, 8A, and 9A will provide increased nose gear
safety. However the nose fairing as supplied by Vans is still the original
one and does not have increased ground clearance (ie. it does not take
advantage of the increased fork clearance).
Some people have expressed an opinion that this arrangement is OK because
the fairing will disintegrate....maybe, but if that is the case it will most
likely be pushed back onto the tyre causing a braking action. On the other
hand if it doesn't disintegrate it will cause friction with the ground, also
causing a braking action. Either way it's bad news.
People should not underestimate the problem of the fairing bottoming out
and/or being pushed backwards into the tyre. It is well documented that many
RV(A)s have suffered nose gear failure simply from the tyre having
insufficient clearance from the fairing. In one well known instance a pilot
had a collapsed nose gear on his very first take-off run due to insufficient
tyre clearance. Van himself has cautioned about the intrinsic risk of
fairing to tyre contact resulting in nose gear failure.
The current Vans nose gear design has very little structural redundancy but
a fairing with greater ground clearance would certainly provide for a better
margin of safety.
>From: N67BT@aol.com
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Van's newest nose wheel fork
>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:00:37 EDT
>
>Tri gear RVers,
>
>I just finished changing out my original nose wheel fork for the smaller
>version from Van's. I will be operating off of a somewhat uneven strip so
>I
>wanted more ground clearance. Also, I'm using a heavy engine and this
>conversion will be about 3 pounds lighter than the old setup. For my
>situation, it
>was well worth the expense and effort.
>
>A comparison photo is posted on my web site for you interested nose
>dragger
>types.
>
>http://users.aol.com/n67bt (scroll down to fifth photo)
>
>Bob Trumpfheller
>RV7A N67BT Not yet flying
>Preparation for paint
>
>
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| Subject: | Is there such a thing as too much proseal? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
My father taught me well. "If a little does a good job, a lot has to be better!".
I'm concerned that I am putting too much proseal on my tank parts, mostly from
fear and paranoia about leaks. Comments welcome!
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=43073#43073
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| Subject: | Is there such a thing as too much proseal? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
//My father taught me well. "If a little does a good job, a lot has to be
better!". I'm concerned that I am putting too much proseal on my tank parts,
mostly from fear and paranoia about leaks. Comments welcome!
I went through two cans of ProSeal on my tanks because I used the Orndorff
method (ProSeal is cheap, use a LOT). He probably got it from your dad.
Tanks didn't leak. Goal met.
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? |
In a message dated 6/26/06 7:01:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
smitty@smittysrv.com writes:
> I'm concerned that I am putting too much proseal on my tank parts, mostly
> from fear and paranoia about leaks. Comments welcome!
>>>>
I've heard some builders being concerned about too much proseal adding too
much weight- my philosophy is if it starts taking away fuel capacity, you might
want to back off a bit...
"Liberal" here is a good thing, regardless of societal leanings. A few
ounces extra vs. hassling with leaks, take yer pick! Just repeat the mantra:
"clean, clean, clean" before slopping the stuff on.
Mark Phillips - N51PW "Mojo" RV-6A, 330 leak-free hours
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
smittysrv wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>My father taught me well. "If a little does a good job, a lot has to be better!".
I'm concerned that I am putting too much proseal on my tank parts, mostly
from fear and paranoia about leaks. Comments welcome!
>
>
Hi Smitty:
I think the only thing to be concerned about here is at the rear baffle
flange where the tank meets the wing root. If the 9 is similar to the 7
here (I believe it is) try not to add too much proseal in that root area
because it will prevent the tank from sitting down on the spar. There
is very little clearance there.
do not archive
Jamie
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as too much proseal? |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 6/26/06 8:01:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
smitty@smittysrv.com writes:
> My father taught me well. "If a little does a good job, a lot has to be
> better!". I'm concerned that I am putting too much proseal on my tank
parts,
> mostly from fear and paranoia about leaks. Comments welcome!
===============================
Well, Daddy was wrong. Follow the directions. You DO want enough to form
fillets BUT you do not want layers.
You do want enough so that when you tighten down the inspection hatches and
set the rivets it squeezes out. But you do not want bulges.
Don't forget there are two versions of ProSeal ... 20 OUNCE and 20 POUND.
The OUNCE version is used to seal inspection hatches. The POUND version is used
to make structural seals. Both versions come in different cure times. I
highly recommend the 2 Hour (SLOW) cure.
Again ... DO NOT LAYER the ProSeal.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | O-320 E2A for sale |
Hiya gang, I found a very low time E2C which Im installing this week/ I
am selling my timed out engine which runs like a top, *00 hr jugs, good
compr and no leaks, burns less oil than avg. $5000 charlie Heathco
cheathco@cox.net
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| Subject: | Chances are..... |
Listers,
Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording something similar
to this....."a 40% chance of thunderstorms occurring." My question is this.
What does a "40% chance" actually mean? By my (always suspect) reasoning, I've
long thought it meant something along these lines: Under similiar atmospheric
conditions, thunderstorms have developed 40% of the time. Is this or is
this not an accurate opinion?
Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm or a "4"
alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported really mean?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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| Subject: | Chances are..... |
That is accurate. Predicting convective activity is a matter of
statistics. The conditions are analyzed and probabilities assigned.
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:17 AM
Listers,
Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording something
similar to this....."a 40% chance of thunderstorms occurring." My
question is this. What does a "40% chance" actually mean? By my (always
suspect) reasoning, I've long thought it meant something along these
lines: Under similiar atmospheric conditions, thunderstorms have
developed 40% of the time. Is this or is this not an accurate opinion?
Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm or a
"4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported really mean?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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| Subject: | Re: Chances are..... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 7:16:55 2006-06-26 Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording
> something similar to this....."a 40% chance of thunderstorms
> occurring." My question is this. What does a "40% chance" actually
> mean?
I've been told locally that "40% chance of thunderstorms" means that there
is a 40% chance that there will be a thunderstorm *somewhere in the region*
during that time period. Here in Vancouver, BC, the "region" they usually
refer to covers the entire lower mainland, which is a pretty big area. An
area large enough that it's not uncommon to sit at the airport in Delta, BC
and watch rain on the mountains just 15 miles to the north, while
sweltering in your shorts under blue skies.
> Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm
> or a "4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported really
> mean?
I always thought it was the number of fire stations that responded. 3
alarms means the alarms sounded at three stations because they needed that
many trucks to put it out.
-Rob
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Chances are..... |
out of 10 tens it will rain.
Number of Alarms means that if you have a 4 alarm fire, that they
required the number of people from 4 fire stations to respond to control
the fire. Depending on the size, locale, and conditions, a certain
number of trucks/Firemen will be required, the larger the fire, or the
worse the conditions, the more people and equipment required to control
it, Hence the number of alarms equals the number of stations responding
to the call.
Dan
40269 RV10E
(N289DT)
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:17 AM
Listers,
Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording something
similar to this....."a 40% chance of thunderstorms occurring." My
question is this. What does a "40% chance" actually mean? By my (always
suspect) reasoning, I've long thought it meant something along these
lines: Under similiar atmospheric conditions, thunderstorms have
developed 40% of the time. Is this or is this not an accurate opinion?
Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm or a
"4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported really mean?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 main intersection fairins ready |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Do you have any photos of the fairings on a 10?
do not archive
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | Chances are..... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
It seems like a play on words, but instead of there a "40% chance of a
thunderstorm somewhere in the region", I believe it would be more
accurate to say there was a "40% chance of a thunderstorm at any single
point in the region". At a 40% of TS, there is close to a 100% chance
that somewhere in the region, there will be at least one TS.
Thanks,
Chuck Jensen
> I've been told locally that "40% chance of thunderstorms" means that
there
> is a 40% chance that there will be a thunderstorm *somewhere in the
> region*
> during that time period. Here in Vancouver, BC, the "region" they
usually
> refer to covers the entire lower mainland, which is a pretty big area.
An
> area large enough that it's not uncommon to sit at the airport in
Delta,
> BC
> and watch rain on the mountains just 15 miles to the north, while
> sweltering in your shorts under blue skies.
>
> > Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3"
alarm
> > or a "4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported really
> > mean?
>
> I always thought it was the number of fire stations that responded. 3
> alarms means the alarms sounded at three stations because they needed
that
> many trucks to put it out.
>
> -Rob
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chances are..... |
Good, got the statistics covered now on to the Alarm question.
An "Alarm" in this context is a description of a first response of a
standard force to handle "the situation". When multiple alarms are called
they represent a graduation of response and among fire service folks are
often refered to as "yard sales" or "reunions" due to the tendancy for large
ammounts of equipment littering the area and getting to see fineman from
stations a districs you don't normally see. The responses are widly
different among different districts. What a rural district would call a 3
alarm, a city district might a single. There is no set specification. I
used to work with a chief that would call a second alarm on car accidents.
Maybe the flares worried him...
On 6/26/06, Rick Galati <rick6a@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording something
> similar to this....."a * 40% chance* of thunderstorms occurring." My
> question is this. What does a "40% chance" actually mean? By my (always
> suspect) reasoning, I've long thought it meant something along these
> lines: Under similiar atmospheric conditions, thunderstorms have developed
> 40% of the time. Is this or is this not an accurate opinion?
>
> Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm or a
> "4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported *really* mean?
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
>
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| Subject: | RV Fiberglass Fairings for the 10 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Snedaker <imfairings@cox.net>
After many requestsn the upper and lower main intersection fairings are now available
for the RV-10.
Prices as follows:
Upper Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $120
Lower Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $130
Plus shipping and handling and sales tax where applicable
Fairings-Etc
Bob Snedaker
bob@fairings-etc.com
www.fairings-etc.com
623-203-9795
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Sincerely,
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
PO Box 5488
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623 203 9795
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 main intersection fairins ready |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob Snedaker <imfairings@cox.net>
thanks Paul
--
Sincerely,
Bob Snedaker
Fairings-Etc
PO Box 5488
Goodyear, AZ 85338
623 203 9795
---- Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
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> Bob, you had a typo below for your website. I'm
> assuming you wanted them to go to www.fairings-etc.com
>
> Paul Besing
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> --- Bob Snedaker <imfairings@cox.net> wrote:
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> > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob Snedaker
> > <imfairings@cox.net>
> >
> > They can be ordered on my web site:
> > www.fairinga-etc.com.
> >
> > Costs are:
> > Upper Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $120
> > Lower Main Intersection Fairings (one set) $130
> >
> > Please shipping/handling and sales tax where
> > applicable.
> >
> > Thanks for your support.
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Bob Snedaker
> > Fairings-Etc
> > PO Box 5488
> > Goodyear, AZ 85338
> > 623 203 9795
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Bob Snedaker
> > Fairings-Etc
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> > Goodyear, AZ 85338
> > 623 203 9795
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| Subject: | Re: Trio EZ Pilot-Redux |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Paul Besing wrote:
>
> How many autopilot companies monitor and respond to
> RV-List questions...on the weekend, no less?
>
I don't know how many autopilot companies monitor the list but I know
it is done by companies that sell things likely to go in RVs. The
last three electronic items I have added to my RV have had issues I
have posted to the list about. These items were an EFIS a high end
portable GPS and an autopilot. The GPS brand is a major
international corporation.
In each case I was contacted by the company, at my work place, very
quickly. I don't even know how they got the phone number. Also in
each case the company was very courteous and just wanted to get to
the bottom of the problem. In one instance they wanted to know when
it would be convenient for "a team of engineer" to call me back.
This contrasts greatly to what is happening at my workplace now,
where I have been trying to return a damaged piece of equipment to
Office Depot for over a month. The equipment was quickly replaced
but we are still on the hook for the damaged thing until we get
credit for the return. I am caught in a never ending circle of
contacting a Philippine call center which assures me that I will be
called back and when I am called back, by an American, I am assured
the item will be picked up in two days. There is no accountability
and no capability of calling the same person back. Now there is a
way to drive a bunch of customers away for life.
As for the RV equipment, I think pretty much anyone is not too
bothered by some minor problems, as long as the company is responsive.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Chances are..... |
What usually happens it that the forecast (guess) will say "chance of
rain is 40% this morning, 60% this afternoon, and 30% this evening".
This means a total chance of 130%, so you might as well get a hotel room
and wait for morning to head home.
John
Rick Galati wrote:
> Listers,
>
> Oftentimes a weather report or outlook will include wording something
> similar to this....."a _ 40% chance_ of thunderstorms occurring." My
> question is this. What does a "40% chance" actually mean? By my
> (always suspect) reasoning, I've long thought it meant something
> along these lines: Under similiar atmospheric conditions,
> thunderstorms have developed 40% of the time. Is this or is this not
> an accurate opinion?
>
> Also on a non RV related note......You read that it was a "3" alarm or
> a "4" alarm fire. What do the number of alarms reported _really_ mean?
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla"
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| Subject: | Bendix King KT-76C for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
If you'll forgive the shameless commerce....
I have a King KT-76C that I bought from another builder in 1999. It has
been on my shelf ever since. It was "yellow tagged" on June 24, 1999. I
have taken it out of the box a time or two, but never installed it or
powered it up.
It comes complete with a mounting tray, a hardware kit for making
cables, plus an installation manual and the 8130-3 airworthiness form,
and a form from The Allied Signal repair station in Olathe, KS,
documenting that it was "repaired, aligned and tested per
006-15545-0001. " It looks brand new - no wear on the buttons, no
scratches on the face plate, etc. Neat.
I have decided to go with an all Garmin stack.
I'm offering this to my fellow listers for $1000. A brand new KT-76C
will cost you twice that much. I'll pay domestic shipping (I'm in
Tucson, AZ).
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: vetterman exhaust, RV-6A with 0-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
Tom,
I used piccalo pipes, extends the exhaust and makes the exhaust "song' a
bit more tolerable.
Charlie,
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:44 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/25/06 6:33:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sarg314@comcast.net writes:
>
>> 2) exit the cowl scoop pretty well parallel to the long axis of the
>> plane as seen from looking up laying underneath it,
>>
>> the right one is angled down a lot more than the left one. Left one
>> (which has lots of clearance) is about 25 deg. rel. to bottom of
>> fuselage, right one is about 40 deg. Is this normal?
>>
>> The end of the right pipe sticks down about 2.5" below the ram scoop
>> while the left one stick down about 1.5". My recollection is that RV's
>> usually have some assymmetry in this respect.
>> Or, have I just got it adjusted wrong?
>> -
>> Tom Sargent
> =======================
> Tom:
>
> You are correct. I have the same problem ... right one is lower than the
> left. I also have been fighting CO in the cabin. I tried what I believe
> is very
> thing ... Until I came up with a solution. I added extensions with a
> downward bend and a baloney cut to the exhaust. This reduced the CO to
> ZERO.
>
> But, the right side is still lower than the left.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
>
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Found this site and thought it might be of interest for those looking
for a 4 cyl Subaru alternative. Anyone have any experience with this
outfit?
http://ramengines.com/_wsn/page5.html
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix King KT-76C for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Danny Lawhon <dlawhon@yahoo.com>
i might be needing the transponder
--- owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
<sarg314@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314
<sarg314@comcast.net>
>
> If you'll forgive the shameless commerce....
>
> I have a King KT-76C that I bought from another
builder in 1999. It has
> been on my shelf ever since. It was "yellow tagged"
on June 24, 1999. I
> have taken it out of the box a time or two, but
never installed it or
> powered it up.
>
> It comes complete with a mounting tray, a hardware
kit for making
> cables, plus an installation manual and the 8130-3
airworthiness form,
> and a form from The Allied Signal repair station in
Olathe, KS,
> documenting that it was "repaired, aligned and
tested per
> 006-15545-0001. " It looks brand new - no wear on
the buttons, no
> scratches on the face plate, etc. Neat.
>
> I have decided to go with an all Garmin stack.
>
> I'm offering this to my fellow listers for $1000.
A brand new KT-76C
> will cost you twice that much. I'll pay domestic
shipping (I'm in
> Tucson, AZ).
>
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
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>
browse
Subscriptions page,
FAQ,
>
>
Admin.
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