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1. 02:38 AM - Re: EFIS (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
2. 09:51 AM - N557XW Update (joelrhaynes@aol.com)
3. 12:49 PM - OT painting steel (Chris W)
4. 02:23 PM - Re: RV9A Elevator Skin Cracks (Michael B.)
5. 03:53 PM - Re: OT painting steel (Doc Custer)
6. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Tie-seal (dick martin)
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I have only had GRT in my plane so I can only speak from personal authority on
that system for experimentals but I judge them against the avionics I test for
a "major aerospace company" in my day job. GRT is an impressive group.
Reliable? Very much so. The hardware and software itself is and just as importantly
so is the company support, assistance and committment to growth (all SW
upgrades including navigation & terrain databases have been FREE!)
Yep, as good or better than anyone I've heard of.
As good as it gets over the phone. Like you are usually talking to a top designer
or the owner every time if Sandy can't answer it for you and a lot of the
times she can. A day or two response via email is probably more average so I
go to the yahoo group for items I know most users already probably know. You get
quick feedback there with pictures or drawings if it helps.
Check out the money back gurarantees. In fact, just read over their website and
then trust me when I say with me it's been proven true if something sounds too
good. There's an active GRT EFIS/EIS yahoo users group with hundreds of users
there that share similar experiences to mine.
They fell behind in delivering the sport version but then probably because of competition
coming out with VFR only oriented products or competing announcements
the functionality of the Sport product really increased to the point where
it would have had to "slip" delivery date since it's a lot more product than originally
envisioned from what I can tell. I have the full up EFIS and not the
sport.
I don't think their prices have changed much in the two to 3 year time frame since
I started to pay attention to them. But it's a little apples to oranges between
back then and now since what they did was make it even more possible to
buy the system kind of a la carte and they just have more to buy if you want
the whole enchalada (traffic, weather, internal GPS, etc).
It's a growing product line but you'll be pleasantly surprised at how they come
through time and again with additional free software and optional add on hardware
at extremely reliable prices.
In short, because they don't spend much on magazine ads, most folks don't take
them seriously if at all but once you actually see the system, realize what you
are getting and the relatively cheap prices plus talk to users you realize they've
really got a great line up going. They haven't let up one iota since I
took notice of them starting over 2 years ago. Oh the other item is that their
display resolution isn't as good as the higher prices garmins but then you
realize that when you are actually using it in a bubble canopy like an RV8 it's
super easy to read because the display actually gets sharper and crisper with
direct sunlight and not freakin' glary and reflective like my Garmin's display....It's
actually got a higher readability factor in the real world than my
garmin even if the terrain or map isn't drawn as nicely.
lucky
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Howdy fellow RV dudes and dudettes. My partner Gary and I are working on the fuselage
of a RV-8A QB on an airpark called Alta Sierra located about 40nm north
of Sacramento, CA. We are trying to come up with a panel design as we hope
to buy an EFIS and the non Van's supplied instruments at Oshkosh next month.
We have most of the panel sorted out, but are still considering two options for
the EFIS - Blue Mountain and Grand Rapids Technology(GRT). We plan to get the
engine monitoring feature on whichever EFIS we select. We will use the TruTrak
Autopilot if we go with GRT, or the Blue Mountain's autopilot with their
system. We have looked at their web sites and have a general understanding how
their systems work, but we really need is feedback from folks who have installed
and used them. We would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, on
the install and operation of these systems.
Do you find them reliable?
Does the company back their product?
Quality of customer service?
Quality and speed of problem resolution to include return to the vendor for repair
and/or upgrade?
Does the company meet projected dates for service, upgrades and revisions?
Are their prices stable?
I know, sooo many questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Obviously,
we would love to hear real world experiences that you may have had with these
new gadgets.
Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux
jbario@sbcglobal.net
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<DIV>I have only had GRT in my plane so I can only speak from personal authority
on that system for experimentals but I judge them against the avionics
I test for a "major aerospace company" in my day job. GRT is an impressive
group.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Reliable? Very much so. The hardware and software itself
is and just as importantly so is the company support, assistance and committment
to growth (all SW upgrades including navigation & terrain databases have
been FREE!)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yep, as good or better than anyone I've heard of.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As good as it gets over the phone. Like you are usually talking to a
top designer or the owner every time if Sandy can't answer it for you and a lot
of the times she can. A day or two response via email is probably more
average so I go to the yahoo group for items I know most users already probably
know. You get quick feedback there with pictures or drawings if it helps.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Check out the money back gurarantees. In fact, just read over their
website and then trust me when I say with me it's been proven true if something
sounds too good. There's an active GRT EFIS/EIS yahoo users group with
hundreds of users there that share similar experiences to mine.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>They fell behind in delivering the sport version but then probably because
of competition coming out with VFR only oriented products or competing announcements
the functionality of the Sport product really increased to the point where
it would have had to "slip" delivery date since it's a lot more product than
originally envisioned from what I can tell. I have the full up EFIS
and not the sport.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think their prices have changed much in the two to 3 year time
frame since I started to pay attention to them. But it's a little apples
to oranges between back then and now since what they did was make it even more
possible to buy the system kind of a la carte and they just have more
to buy if you want the whole enchalada (traffic, weather, internal GPS, etc).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's a growing product line but you'll be pleasantly surprised at how they
come through time and again with additional free software and optional add on
hardware at extremely reliable prices. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In short, because they don't spend much on magazine ads, most folks don't
take them seriously if at all but once you actually see the system, realize what
you are getting and the relatively cheap prices plus talk to users you realize
they've really got a great line up going. They haven't let up one iota
since I took notice of them starting over 2 years ago. Oh the other item
is that their display resolution isn't as good as the higher prices garmins
but then you realize that when you are actually using it in a bubble canopy
like an RV8 it's super easy to read because the display actually gets sharper
and crisper with direct sunlight and not freakin' glary and reflective like my
Garmin's display....It's actually got a higher readability factor in the real
world than my garmin even if the terrain or map isn't drawn as nicely.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>lucky</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Howdy fellow RV dudes and dudettes. My partner Gary
and I are working on the fuselage of a RV-8A QB on an airpark called Alta Sierra
located about 40nm north of Sacramento, CA. We are trying to come up
with a panel design as we hope to buy an EFIS and the non Van's supplied
instruments at Oshkosh next month. We have most of the panel sorted out,
but are still considering two options for the EFIS - Blue Mountain and Grand
Rapids Technology(GRT). We plan to get the engine monitoring feature on
whichever EFIS we select. We will use the TruTrak Autopilot if we go with
GRT, or the Blue Mountain's autopilot with their system. We have
looked at their web sites and have a general understanding how their systems
work, but we really need is feedback from folks who have installed and used them.
We would appreciate any feedback, positive or negative, on the install
and operation of these systems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Do you find them reliable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Does the company back their product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Quality of customer service?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Quality and speed of problem resolution to include return
to the vendor for repair and/or upgrade?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Does the company meet projected dates for service, upgrades
and revisions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Are their prices stable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I know, sooo many questions. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Obviously, we would love to hear real world experiences
that you may have had with these new gadgets.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><A href="mailto:jbario@sbcglobal.net">jbario@sbcglobal.net</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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Thanks again to all who responded on and off-line with congrats and advice regarding
my first flight and somewhat higher temps than hoped for. I got out the
high temp RTV and plugged a few small gaps here and there in my baffles and opened
the lower cowl exit area a bit more as others have done. Second flight
was this morning after the RTV cured. Full power CHTs at 6500 feet (field elevation
is 5000 ft) were 380-390 which was a nice improvement over yesterday. Also,
oil temp was 217. This is still likely an overestimate since I need to update
the firmware in my Dynon engine monitor to fix a bug causing artificially
high oil temps. Thanks again to whoever it was that pointed that out to me.
Without wheel pants and fairings I could only get 2550 rpm at 6500 feet with my
85 inch pitch Sensenich cruise prop. I am assuming that pants and fairings
will allow for greater rpms as the speed increases. I certainly cannot complain
about takeoff performance, even from our high alti
tude airport. Now onto fixing the slightly heavy left wing.
WHAT A RIDE!!!
Joel Haynes
7A 1.5 hours
Bozeman
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| Subject: | OT painting steel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
I know a lot of people here are fairly knowledgeable on paint so I was
wondering if some one could recommend a good paint primer system for
painting steel. I have this large steel structure I am setting up in
the back yard to raise and lower an antenna tower and I need to paint it
so it doesn't rust and look hideous. I would like something fairly
durable but just need to protect it from the rain. I don't want to
spend too much money. I'm not looking for a super fine glossy surface
just something to stop it from rusting. Can you get good deals on paint
over the Internet or are there hazmat charges that make it even more
expensive? It is a stationary structure. If you are unclear what I am
talking about you can see a computer model of it here..
http://www.thewishzone.com/cdw/Tower/TowerAndHoist.jpg
Thanks for the advice.
do not archive
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Chris W
KE5GIX
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| Subject: | Re: RV9A Elevator Skin Cracks |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael B." <brewtoo@yyhmail.com>
There is an article about this in the "18 Years of the RV-Ator" book. Page 35,
"cracks in control surface trailing edges".
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| Subject: | Re: OT painting steel |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doc Custer" <ddcuster@wmv-co.us>
Chris,
Visit your local farm supply store -- look for tractor paint. Stops rust ,
even if there is some light rust (farmer's don't have elegant prep and paint
booths). Lasts a long time. Easy to use. Won't produce body shop quality
shine and smoothness, but then a farmer's objective is pretty much the same
as yours - protect the steel. Don't much care what it looks like. Colors are
limited - black, white, green, red, maybe others if you are lucky. Black
lasts the longest.
Cheers,
David (Doc) Custer
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:44 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
>
> I know a lot of people here are fairly knowledgeable on paint so I was
> wondering if some one could recommend a good paint primer system for
> painting steel. I have this large steel structure I am setting up in the
> back yard to raise and lower an antenna tower and I need to paint it so it
> doesn't rust and look hideous. I would like something fairly durable but
> just need to protect it from the rain. I don't want to spend too much
> money. I'm not looking for a super fine glossy surface just something to
> stop it from rusting. Can you get good deals on paint over the Internet
> or are there hazmat charges that make it even more expensive? It is a
> stationary structure. If you are unclear what I am talking about you can
> see a computer model of it here..
> http://www.thewishzone.com/cdw/Tower/TowerAndHoist.jpg
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Chris W
> KE5GIX
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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John,
I have been using Tite Seal Light and Medium for over 35 years with
excellent results. I have also tried all of the new miracle sealants,
however, nothing has ever equaled the sealing and non seizing abilities
of Radiator Specialty "Tite-Seal"
Dick Martin
Rv8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Kuss
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Tie-seal
John
Tite Seal or Liquid Teflon Tape are excellent sealants to be used on
the pipe thread end of AN fittings. I like to apply a small amount of
NeverSeize to the male threads which the B nut screws onto. This
prevents galling of these threads during assembly.
Charlie Kuss
A builder friend told me to use tite-seal for the AN fittings on my
engine block that connects to the various hose end fittings (oil cooler,
oil pressure, etc.). Is this the best way to go and if it is would you
use the medium or light weight tite-seal? Any other suggestions? Is
temperature an issue here as far as the tite-seal is concerned? I want
to install some of these fittings before I mount the engine (Thursday).
Your help is very much appreciated.
John Szantho
RV9-A Firewall Forward
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