Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:56 AM - Idle Mixture in Fuel Injected Engine (Charles Brame)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: Idle Mixture in Fuel Injected Engine (Charles Reiche)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: 4 into 1 exhaust (glen matejcek)
4. 05:37 AM - sun sahdes (Bill VonDane)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: sun sahdes (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
6. 06:32 AM - Re: sun shades (Ron Lee)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: sun shades (sportav8r@aol.com)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: 4 into 1 exhaust (Charlie Kuss)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: sun shades (Ron Lee)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: sun shades (Bill VonDane)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: sun shades (Dan Checkoway)
12. 07:44 AM - Heater vent inlet up vs down (Ralph E. Capen)
13. 07:56 AM - Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Chris W)
14. 08:32 AM - Re: Cowl Louvers (Rick Galati)
15. 08:32 AM - Re: N161RL Flies (Charles Rowbotham)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: 4 into 1 exhaust (dannylsmith)
17. 08:48 AM - Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 (rveighta)
18. 09:00 AM - (BPA)
19. 09:36 AM - Re: Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
20. 09:52 AM - Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (James H Nelson)
21. 10:31 AM - Re: sun shades (Larry Bowen)
22. 10:42 AM - Oil fitting position (James H Nelson)
23. 10:57 AM - Looking for Bob Hargraves (Richard Sipp)
24. 11:47 AM - Re: Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 (Frank Stringham)
25. 11:58 AM - Need Help with Cowling Ducts (Morocketman@aol.com)
26. 12:41 PM - airplane items on Ebay (Frazier, Vincent A)
27. 12:49 PM - Re: MOGAS Use (Tracy Crook)
28. 01:17 PM - Re: airplane items on Ebay (Ron Lee)
29. 01:24 PM - Re: airplane items on Ebay (Paul Besing)
30. 02:09 PM - Re: Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... (Tracy Crook)
31. 03:03 PM - Re: Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... (Dan Checkoway)
32. 03:14 PM - Re: Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 (John Huft)
33. 03:27 PM - Re: Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... (Ed Bundy)
34. 04:23 PM - Re: sun shades (Jim Jewell)
35. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (c.ennis)
36. 05:05 PM - Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
37. 05:59 PM - Oil fittings on the case (James H Nelson)
38. 07:01 PM - Re: Oil fittings on the case (Terry Watson)
39. 07:04 PM - Re: Oil fittings on the case (D.Bristol)
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| Subject: | Idle Mixture in Fuel Injected Engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
My experience with carburated engines was that a proper idle mixture
usually results in a momentary RPM increase when using the mixture to
shut the engine down. I've noted that when I shut down my fuel
injected engine using the mixture control, I get NO increase in RPM
before the engine quits.
Is the no increase in RPM typical of FI engines, or am I running too
lean?
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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| Subject: | Re: Idle Mixture in Fuel Injected Engine |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net>
Probably, consult the maintenace manual, you will likely need some hoses
and a guage to setup your fuel injection system to spec. its also good just
to check this out every 2 years or so just to make sure everything is
working the way its supposed to.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:47 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Charles Brame <chasb@satx.rr.com>
>
> My experience with carburated engines was that a proper idle mixture
> usually results in a momentary RPM increase when using the mixture to
> shut the engine down. I've noted that when I shut down my fuel injected
> engine using the mixture control, I get NO increase in RPM before the
> engine quits.
>
> Is the no increase in RPM typical of FI engines, or am I running too
> lean?
>
> Charlie Brame
> RV-6A N11CB
> San Antonio
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | RE: 4 into 1 exhaust |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Charlie-
There was a company somewhere in the Virginias that was making 4 into 1
systems a few years back. Sorry, I don't recall the name-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Hey all...
I was wanting to get some feedback on the kroger sunshade. I just got one
for my -8, but after looking at it, and my canopy, and reading the
instructions I am worried about it scratching the canopy over time...
Anyone have any experience with this?
What about other sunshande solutions?
Thaznks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A ~ N8WV
Colorado Springs, CO
www.rv8a.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
It scratched my canopy on my rv-6 out towards the ends.
I have not seen the rv8 installation but assuming it's the wires in the
shade material and the shade hugs the canopy.. then you will see
scratches over time where it rubs.
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:36 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
Hey all...
I was wanting to get some feedback on the kroger sunshade. I just got
one
for my -8, but after looking at it, and my canopy, and reading the
instructions I am worried about it scratching the canopy over time...
Anyone have any experience with this?
What about other sunshande solutions?
Thaznks!
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A ~ N8WV
Colorado Springs, CO
www.rv8a.com
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
in a small folded up size (with pouch).
The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
Ron Lee
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Automotive tint film (the static cling kind) as sold by Wal-Mart has worked well
for me. From one roll of the stuff you can cut out numerous small shades which
let you and your pax slap them up wherever needed and reposition as the flight
progresses. A nice under-$10 solution.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:30:48 -0600
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
in a small folded up size (with pouch).
The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: 4 into 1 exhaust |
Listers,
AET was recently sold by the original owner. He sold the assets to
two different companies. One of the new owners has no interest in low
volume production. The other new owner is not yet settled into this
new business and reports that they won't even consider new items for
at least 6 months, maybe longer.
We tried to arrange a group buy of 4 into 1 exhausts on the Yahoo
RV8 group, but it fell through due to this sale.
Charlie Kuss
>Charlie,
>
>Have you talked to these people?
>
><http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/>http://www.aircraftexhaust.net/
>
>I see that the have one that doesn't list the A models, but maybe
>they'll make one up for you.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:47 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RE MOGAS Use With FI Engines
>
>Glen,
> You can try anything you want. If it damages the engine you're the
> only one who has to pay. I fully intend to use auto fuel in my
> RV8A. I'm currently trying to find someone to make a tuned 4 into 1
> exhaust system for the A model RVs. With the capability to reduce
> your fuel consumption by .75 to 1 gallon per hour, a 4 into 1 tuned
> exhaust is one of the best investments you can make in your RV.
> Check out the CAFE Foundation's web site for more info.
>Charlie
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
>Thanks, Charlie-
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
>
>
>Email Forum -
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>- NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI -
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>- List Contribution Web Site -
>-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
They seem to be called Suncutters now:
http://www.auto-expressions.net/SunGlareReduction.pdf
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
I have those already... I want something more permanent (semi)
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:30 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
in a small folded up size (with pouch).
The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
Ron Lee
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
http://www.autobarn.net/ac40712.html
$5.99 for 2. I have 4 in the plane. 2 stay in my rear window (tip-up RV-7)
all the time during summer.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (966 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:30 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
> It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
> in a small folded up size (with pouch).
>
> The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
> locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Heater vent inlet up vs down |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Fellow listers,
I'm getting ready to install my heater vents on the firewall.
The way I read it, the instructions say 'inlet down'. This means that when you're
not using the heater, the hot air is being blown up behind the engine instead
of down towards the cowl exit area.
Did I miss something? Does it matter? I would think inlet up.......Did they instruct
it the other way for a reason?
Pictures of how folks have already done it would be appreciated. Also, If you
did it one way and didn't like it......why?
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Quit worry about whether or not you fit into someone's label and start
>worrying about building a gas guzzling airplane! Can we get back on
>subject now.
>
>
>
RV planes aren't gas guzzlers! At 8000 ft on an economy cruise setting
you get over 24 mpg (assuming no head wind) I would say that's pretty
good. Fly at 10,000ft or 11,000ft and you get even better millage.
That's better than I get in my Ford Ranger. It's only about 6 mpg away
from what some call a high millage for cars. My 24 mpg figure was based
on the range listed on Van's website for an RV-7 at 55% power with the
160 hp engine.
do not archive.
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Louvers |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Would anyone care to post a picture and the overall dimensions of the F10109 louver
Van's carries? I purchased a pair of the side louvers from Race Ace
http://www.raceace.com/productsside.html?x=33&y=7
and upon inspection, am having second thoughts about installing 'em before I become
a little more familiar with Van's version.
Thanks,
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 149 hours
alexpeterson(at)earthlink wrote:
> Van's has them. See LOUVER F-10109, I believe.
>
> Alex Peterson
> RV6-A N66AP 761 hours
> Maple Grove, MN
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings Listers,,
> >
> > Anyone know of a good source for stamped, aluminum cowl louvers?
> > I am looking to increase the airflow though the cowl and was
> > thinking of two louvers, placed on the bottom of the cowl, on
> > either side of the inlet air scoop.
> >
> > Thanks,,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Derrick L. Aubuchon
> > RV-4: N184DA
> > Jackson/Westover -Amador County (O70)
> > n184da@volcano.net
> >
> >
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45213#45213
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham@hotmail.com>
Mannan,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!!!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8
>From: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj@alltel.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: N161RL Flies
>Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:13:29 -0400
>
>After 4 1/2 years and after being asked "when is it going to fly?" and my
>saying Thursday, about half a million times, N161RL flew Thurs.29 June.
>She's an RV-8 slow build, IO-360-A3B6D, McCauley (ugh.) Prop, Sam James
>Cowl.
>
>Mannan Thomason
>RV-8
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4 into 1 exhaust |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dannylsmith" <dsmit132@bellsouth.net>
Aircraft Exhaust does not do RV exhausts anymore but Tom Heid at Aerospace Welding
may. I sent him my engine type and sump info for him to give me an answer.
I have a RV-7A with TMX IOF-360 with Forward facing ECI cold air sump but if
enough people express an interest in 4 into 1 exhausts he may decide to do it.
Tom Heid
Aerospace Welding
952-890-1511
Hope this helps,
Danny Smith
--------
Danny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45219#45219
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| Subject: | Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
I'm leaning towards gluing my canopy to the frame using Sikaflex as
detailed in numerous posts on this list, but I'm not quite sure how to
approach the issue of gluing the skirt on.
It appears that Sikaflex would be ruled out due to the reqirement to
have a 3/16" bead between the skirt and canopy/ frame. Someone
in the archives mentioned using Scotch SemWeld. Any other suggestions,
and what were the results of the SemWeld?
Walt Shipley
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There is a guy in Colorado that builds quality exhausts as well. Contact
info below. He has built several systems for some of our customers and
will have a couple on display at OSH in our booth. We'll be in building
C booth#3025. Come by and visit.
Exhaust system contact: Forsling Exhausts
John Forsling
(303) 841-6054
forslingaviation@aol.com
See you at OSH,
Allen Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
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| Subject: | Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
I glued mine. There is no reason why you could not get a bead in there.
There is so little pressure on the canopy and skirt, the bead is of
little consequence anyway IMHO. 250hours at speeds other RV-8's only
dream about:)
Best,
Mike
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rveighta
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:47 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
I'm leaning towards gluing my canopy to the frame using Sikaflex as
detailed in numerous posts on this list, but I'm not quite sure how to
approach the issue of gluing the skirt on.
It appears that Sikaflex would be ruled out due to the reqirement to
have a 3/16" bead between the skirt and canopy/ frame. Someone
in the archives mentioned using Scotch SemWeld. Any other suggestions,
and what were the results of the SemWeld?
Walt Shipley
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| Subject: | Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Terry,
Well put, as the noise makers are beginning to take over the
rational thinking individuals who just quietly go about their business.
Some people think they know the answer but have not researched for the
FACTS before they open their mouths. Nuff said--- Lets get back to
building our little planes and have some fun.
Jim Nelson
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Have you seem those city busses with ads on the entire side of the bus,
even the side windows? You can see though them from the inside, but from
the outside they look almost opaque. I was going to look into getting
some of that material, I guess it's vinyl, in black, maybe 10" wide, and
putting it on the top of the canopy on the inside. It should be
semi-permenant. Thoughts?
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Bill VonDane wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>
> I have those already... I want something more permanent (semi)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:30 AM
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
> It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
> in a small folded up size (with pouch).
>
> The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
> locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil fitting position |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
I'm installing the oil fittings for the oil cooler. The upper fitting is
a 45 degree fitting and I need to know where it should point when
installed. Down along side the mag (toward the center of the engine) or
up and over the mag pointing toward the #4 cylinder.
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Looking for Bob Hargraves |
Bob Hargraves:
If you monitor this list, please reply to this message.
Thanks
Dick Sipp
RV10 40065
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| Subject: | Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Walt
Like you I contemplated and just about went with the Sika canopy option. The
more I read, the more I realized that there isn't alot of long term
historical info on this product used in this application. Decide i didn't
want to be trail blazer. I finally went with the tried and true Van's
method. It was alot easier than I thought and came out great.
Frank @ sgu and slc.......wiring...plus..........
>From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>To: "rv-list@matronics.com" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8
>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:46:36 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>
>I'm leaning towards gluing my canopy to the frame using Sikaflex as
>detailed in numerous posts on this list, but I'm not quite sure how to
>approach the issue of gluing the skirt on.
>
>It appears that Sikaflex would be ruled out due to the reqirement to
>have a 3/16" bead between the skirt and canopy/ frame. Someone
>in the archives mentioned using Scotch SemWeld. Any other suggestions,
>and what were the results of the SemWeld?
>
>Walt Shipley
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Help with Cowling Ducts |
John Goodman just finished and flew his beautiful RV-9/Suburu. His oil
cooler is supplied by a 2 1/2" S.C.A.T. tube that begans in the left intake of
the
cowling. With the intake horizontal at the bottom of the intake, oil temps
were at the very upper limit near 250F. After installing a 2 inch "temporary"
90 degree elbow (thanks to the Aviation Department at Lowe's), temps are
acceptable at about 205F on 90F days here in Missouri.
Does anyone have expertise in ducts in the left side of RV cowlings? Would
a N.A.C.A. duct work installed at 45 degrees to the airstream on the forward
underside of the cowl? Would a plain round duct work just as well?
There is a guy in Dallas (?) whose RV-8 (?) has several ducts to cool his
turbo chargers. The airplane has a nickname like "Greased Lightning"? Anyone
know him or his experience with ducting? Please respond off list, or send me
his phone number.
Anyone know of a source of fiberglass ducts which would adapt well to the
inside of an RV-9 cowling into a S.C.A.T. tube?
Thanks everyone, Les Featherston 417-425-3595
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| Subject: | airplane items on Ebay |
I have several items on Ebay that might be useful to a homebuilt or
other project:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=
290
003266978&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT mechanical fuel pump
4-6
psi, used, but working fine when removed and replaced with high pressure
pump for my fuel injection
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=
290
003264220&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT fuel primer pump exc.
cond.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=
290
003276336&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT heated pitot tube.
exc.
condition
The URLs always end up on two lines.... paste them back together in your
browser. Please don't send notes to the list saying "the URL doesn't
work". They'll work.
I have several other aviation items listed... Sikorsky rudder pedal
assembly with bellcranks, pedals, etc (somewhat similar to an RV-6),
Champ aileron, Stinson flap, Stinson LE slat, Ammco cylinder glaze
breaking hone, etc
All my listings end tomorrow. Anything that is left will go to the zoo
(fly market tent) at Oshkosh.
do not archive
Vince
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>--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee
<ronlee@pcisys.net<mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net>>
>
>At 03:44 PM 7/4/2006, you wrote:
>>Guys I have been running over four years and 500+ hours on a mix of
>>25% 100LL, 75% 87 octane no-alcohol unleaded which I purchase from
>>the local farm bureau. Never had any trouble, other than the
>>stains it makes on the paint. No signs of detonation or elevated
>>temperatures. Typically as a flatlander I rarely go above 7500ft
>>and have flown many times where the OAT was 95 deg. F. At the
>>moment my fuel costs are $31.98/hr, and if I go 100% 100LL its
>>$40.00/hr, for a savings of $8.02/hour. (based on 10gph, 87 octane
>>at $2.93/gal and 100LL at $4.00/gal.). I typically fly 10 hours a
>>month, for a net savings of $80.20 a month, $962.40/year. It's
>>worth the hassle!
>
>
>So what happens at up to 17,500' ?
>
>Ron Lee
I normally fly as close to 18,000 ft (I am VFR only) as sky, wx, and
regulations allow. About the only point I agree with that Mr
gmcjetpilot made is that fuel system & installation do matter. I have
nothing more exotic in my plane than the 2004 RX-8 car that donated the
engine (actually more like the 1986 RX-7) and it works fine on 87 octane
auto fuel (and on one occasion up to 19,500, don't ask). I've said it
before but it bears repeating: The typical aircraft engine fuel system
is about the most vapor lock prone thing you could design. That is the
reason for most of the auto fuel horror stories (IMO).
As far as detonation on Lycomings is concerned, I have to defer to the
experts that I've read. Won't rehash it here, but they tell me that 91
octane would work in most as-is (assuming a suitable fuel delivery
system) and a system with knock sensor (yes, of course NOT an average
auto knock sensor) or combustion pressure sensor would allow almost all
the rest to work. The top of the line turbo and 10:1 CR models might
have to be de-rated slightly. None of this should come as a surprise to
those with any engine savvy.
Yes, Mazda specifies Premium gas for the 10:1 CR RX-8 engine. It
probably needs that to meet the 238 HP spec they advertise but it will
happily run on 87 octane (due to the knock sensor equipped ECU bumping
down the ignition timing) and actually gets better fuel economy on the
cheap stuff (again for reasons that every gear head knows). I don't
use a knock sensor or the original EFI controller in the plane so I back
the timing off by 1.875 degrees (only at 29" Hg MAP or more) which
eliminates any problems with detonation. And it is not heavier than an
equivalent Lycoming. At 278 lbs installed it weighs the same as an 0 -
320 and puts out the same power as an angle valve IO - 360. Loud? It
does need a muffler but according to my sound pressure measuring
instrument it is no louder than most Lyc powered RV's. Prop noise is
less too because prop speed is lower. Most every Mazda rotary
installation (in aircraft) is unique at this point so YMMV.
Ethanol: If it made sense and was cheaper, the government would not
have to subsidize it. Even when subsidized, is gas cheaper when it is
added? I don't know what could make the truth about it clearer.
Someday some chap working in a biology lab will bio-engineer a microbe
which will eat most anything and piss 200 proof moonshine. Ethanol will
then have arrived as a viable fuel. I'm hoping that he makes it piss
oil instead, it still takes almost twice as much alcohol to fly any
given mission. Don't want to have to put 60 gallon tanks in my RV-4 and
leave my beautiful bride behind.
The point of my original rant on the subject was not to advocate auto
or Mogas but to bitch about the bureaucracy that prevents easily
implemented answers to the problems associated with 100LL (and about a
million other things). It is a personal weakness that I try to resist
but occasionally fail.
Tracy Crook
Rotary powered RV-4, 1600 hours of 87 octane Hmm...
do not archive this drivel
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| Subject: | Re: airplane items on Ebay |
Even better is to go to tinyurl.com and create a URL that is of a
manageable length.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
At 01:40 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote:
>I have several items on Ebay that might be useful to a homebuilt or other
>project:
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=2
90003266978&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaym
otors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290003266978&ih=019&sspage
name=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
>mechanical fuel pump 4-6 psi, used, but working fine when removed and
>replaced with high pressure pump for my fuel injection
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=2
90003264220&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaym
otors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290003264220&ih=019&sspage
name=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
>fuel primer pump exc. cond.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=2
90003276336&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaym
otors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290003276336&ih=019&sspage
name=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
>heated pitot tube. exc. condition
>
>The URLs always end up on two lines=85. paste them back together in your
>browser. Please don't send notes to the list saying "the URL doesn't
>work". They'll work.
>
>I have several other aviation items listed=85 Sikorsky rudder pedal
assembly
>with bellcranks, pedals, etc (somewhat similar to an RV-6), Champ aileron,
>Stinson flap, Stinson LE slat, Ammco cylinder glaze breaking hone, etc
>
>All my listings end tomorrow. Anything that is left will go to the zoo
>(fly market tent) at Oshkosh.
>
>do not archive
>
>Vince
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| Subject: | Re: airplane items on Ebay |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
You can truncate Ebay URLs right after the item number
like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290003276336
And it will still work.
Paul Besing
Do not archive
--- "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> wrote:
>
> I have several items on Ebay that might be useful to
> a homebuilt or
> other project:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290
> 003266978&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
> mechanical fuel pump 4-6
> psi, used, but working fine when removed and
> replaced with high pressure
> pump for my fuel injection
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290
> 003264220&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT fuel
> primer pump exc.
> cond.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290
> 003276336&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT heated
> pitot tube. exc.
> condition
>
> The URLs always end up on two lines.... paste them
> back together in your
> browser. Please don't send notes to the list saying
> "the URL doesn't
> work". They'll work.
>
> I have several other aviation items listed...
> Sikorsky rudder pedal
> assembly with bellcranks, pedals, etc (somewhat
> similar to an RV-6),
> Champ aileron, Stinson flap, Stinson LE slat, Ammco
> cylinder glaze
> breaking hone, etc
>
> All my listings end tomorrow. Anything that is left
> will go to the zoo
> (fly market tent) at Oshkosh.
>
> do not archive
>
> Vince
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... |
RV planes aren't gas guzzlers! At 8000 ft on an economy cruise
setting
you get over 24 mpg (assuming no head wind) I would say that's pretty
good. Fly at 10,000ft or 11,000ft and you get even better millage.
That's better than I get in my Ford Ranger. It's only about 6 mpg
away
from what some call a high millage for cars. My 24 mpg figure was
based
on the range listed on Van's website for an RV-7 at 55% power with the
160 hp engine.
do not archive.
Chris W
KE5GIX
Good data point, I hadn't read that on Van's site.
I typically fly higher than 8000 feet, and since I've always been an
efficiency freak, my engine monitor has a readout directly in MPG (based
on TAS and fuel flow). I spend a lot of time tweaking & tuning to eke
out that last possible .1 mpg on those long cross countries. At 15,500
I can do a little better than 30 MPG at 175 mph TAS. Anyone else into
fuel efficiency? I'd love to hear your numbers. I honestly don't know
how the rotary engine compares to a Lyc when flown for max efficiency.
But I suspect it isn't much different.
While I have always been into energy efficiency, I have grown weary of
the painfully stupid mass media debate on the subject. Many of the
same folks who demand better fuel economy standards are often the same
ones to decry small cars as dangerous. Now I intend to use all the
fuel I want while dreading the day someone decides that private aviation
is too much of a security risk.
Tracy Crook (Wacko of many types)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... |
Tracy, you might get a kick out of this:
http://www.rvproject.com/20060419.html
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (967 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel.....
RV planes aren't gas guzzlers! At 8000 ft on an economy cruise
setting
you get over 24 mpg (assuming no head wind) I would say that's
pretty
good. Fly at 10,000ft or 11,000ft and you get even better millage.
That's better than I get in my Ford Ranger. It's only about 6 mpg
away
from what some call a high millage for cars. My 24 mpg figure was
based
on the range listed on Van's website for an RV-7 at 55% power with
the
160 hp engine.
do not archive.
Chris W
KE5GIX
Good data point, I hadn't read that on Van's site.
I typically fly higher than 8000 feet, and since I've always been an
efficiency freak, my engine monitor has a readout directly in MPG (based
on TAS and fuel flow). I spend a lot of time tweaking & tuning to eke
out that last possible .1 mpg on those long cross countries. At 15,500
I can do a little better than 30 MPG at 175 mph TAS. Anyone else into
fuel efficiency? I'd love to hear your numbers. I honestly don't know
how the rotary engine compares to a Lyc when flown for max efficiency.
But I suspect it isn't much different.
While I have always been into energy efficiency, I have grown weary
of the painfully stupid mass media debate on the subject. Many of the
same folks who demand better fuel economy standards are often the same
ones to decry small cars as dangerous. Now I intend to use all the
fuel I want while dreading the day someone decides that private aviation
is too much of a security risk.
Tracy Crook (Wacko of many types)
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| Subject: | Re: Gluing Canopy Skirt - RV-8 |
--> RV-List message posted by: John Huft <rv8@lazy8.net>
Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart@iss.net>
>
> I glued mine. There is no reason why you could not get a bead in there.
> There is so little pressure on the canopy and skirt, the bead is of
> little consequence anyway IMHO. 250hours at speeds other RV-8's only
> dream about:)
>
> Best,
> Mike
> Do not archive
>
>
Well, Mike, I'm not sure WHO is dreaming...why don't you show for one of
the races and give us a demo?
John
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List:Fuel economy / was Fossil energy fuel..... |
I've always been an efficiency nut as well. I fly all cross countries at
what I consider the "sweet spot" altitudes of 11,500/12,500'. At 8000' I
get 183mphtas on 8.25gph or 22mpg. 11,500' gives 178tas on 7gph for 25+mpg,
and 13,500' rewards me with 171tas on 6gph for 28.5mpg. Above 15000' the
efficiency starts to drop off as my 160hp Lycoming can't keep the airplane
"on the step" and the reduction in TAS is greater than the reduction in fuel
burn.
Most people scoff at giving up 5mph, but saving 1.25gph has always been
worth it to me, even back when 100LL was <$2 a gallon.
Ed Bundy
I typically fly higher than 8000 feet, and since I've always been an
efficiency freak, my engine monitor has a readout directly in MPG (based on
TAS and fuel flow). I spend a lot of time tweaking & tuning to eke out that
last possible .1 mpg on those long cross countries. At 15,500 I can do a
little better than 30 MPG at 175 mph TAS. Anyone else into fuel
efficiency? I'd love to hear your numbers. I honestly don't know how the
rotary engine compares to a Lyc when flown for max efficiency. But I
suspect it isn't much different.
Tracy Crook (Wacko of many types)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Larry,
Some time ago someone posted saying that they had attached some form of dark
cling like material. They described damage to the canopy due to direct
sunlight heating the film and subsequently the canopy. The canopy warped and
sagged if I am remembering correctly.
I decided not to try the above kind of approach based on the report. I had
originally planned on using a similar product that has worked very well for
many years in my pickup.
I have and will use the foldable suction cup type screens.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:29 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Have you seem those city busses with ads on the entire side of the bus,
> even the side windows? You can see though them from the inside, but from
> the outside they look almost opaque. I was going to look into getting
> some of that material, I guess it's vinyl, in black, maybe 10" wide, and
> putting it on the top of the canopy on the inside. It should be
> semi-permenant. Thoughts?
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Bill VonDane wrote:
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
>>
>> I have those already... I want something more permanent (semi)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:30 AM
>>
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>>
>> Bill, come see the great one and I will show you what I use.
>> It is a suction cup sunshade that I got at Pep Boys. It comes
>> in a small folded up size (with pouch).
>>
>> The advantage over the Koger is that you can move it to different
>> locations based upon sun direction and your flight path.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol |
--> RV-List message posted by: "c.ennis" <c.ennis@insightbb.com>
Bryan,
Let me say, I agree with you...I work for a manufacturing facility which
employs an environmental engineer, a real one with a degree ;}. He and I
have had several discussions about this very subject. His take is, an
environmental engineer, knows but doesn't care, while an environmentalist,
cares but doesn't know. A bit tongue in cheek but a good point, all the
same. Everyone has opinions and "feelings" about the environment. The
emotional among us "feel" that someone should be doing
something about it, generally based, on as you say JUNK, science. I like to
think, key word think, as opposed to feel, that based on my limited
education on the subject, that we may be into a natural warming cycle which
we can not possibly have any control over. Sure we could go back to the
horse and buggy days on the slim chance the wackos are right. I have grown
really fond of the modern lifestyle. I have been living with electricity,
furnaces, plastics, hot-running water and the ability to travel over 30
miles on any given day...the list goes on and on. Maybe we could be
selective as to what we would be willing to give up. Wouldn't that make for
an interesting discussion on the beltway. Yes sir, we could all go back to
the pre-petroleum days, that would be around 1885 or so...hold it, every
one would have to live within walking distance of work, farming, logging or
manufacturing in the urban areas. Yes sir a whole economy based on WOOD
for an energy source. Seems to me that we have a little trouble in that area
too. By the way a very large part of our population depends on the
automotive/patroleum industry for their livelyhood, perhaps they would be
willing to throw themselves on their swords in order to reduce our
population numbers to a more convenient level?
OK, so we are doomed to be living on a slowly dying planet, it seems to me,
that, all things considered, nature functions in a life and death cycle. Get
used to it. If we could function on solar energy alone, we would still
eventually cease to exist. It seems the sun is consuming itself also.
Meanwhile, back in realityville, why don't we all continue to breed (our
sole purpose for being alive) and continue to enjoy the things we have
created for our comfort and convinence for the rest of the time nature lets
us.
Really sorry about the rant, guys, occasionally I find myself boiling over
on this subject.
Charlie
RV-6A 60 hrs. since first flight.
Pls. Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:37 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
> The whole pop-culture enviro movement is based upon an mostly JUNK
> science. Global warming, my eye! What caused the previous warming cycles
> of the last million years? Dinosaur flatulence? So we need to reduce
> dependence upon foreign oil? How about opening up coastal exploration?!
> It's too destructive for the US to drill off the Florida coast, but not
> for Cuba and China to drill there.
>
> I'm an engineer. A real one with a degree, a license and experience in
> petroleum refining. If you enviros really want to get off petroleum, then
> you'll have to wait about 10-20 years while we BUILD about 200 NUCLEAR
> POWER PLANTS!!! But we can't do that because it's such an evil danger!!
> You know - like the world ending with all the "Three Mile Islands" that
> were destined to end the world.
>
> So now our existing gasoline production is further bastardized with this
> foolish ethanol fantasy. You want to know why gasoline costs $3.15 a
> gallon? In part due to ethanol, part due to the illogical and inane
> efforts of the EPA and their 50+ formulations of gasoline mandated across
> the US.
>
> I'm also a naturalist. I like trees, clean water, air, birds and fish.
> But there's a big difference between a naturalist and an enviro whacko.
> It's called logic and science, and a lot less Algore hype-fiction.
>
> So why do the enviros want to prohibit use of petroleum through restricted
> drilling, restricted refining, displacement with ethanol? Read plank 6 of
> the Communist Manifesto.
>
> Bryan Jones
> Houston
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45095#45095
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Actually, for the RV-10 with the Lycoming 540 you are looking at
something in the neighborhood of 16MPG at economy cruise. Not a guzzler
but not great either. Of course if you want to get somewhere with the
throttle firewalled you drop to about 7MPG.
Besides, I never said RV. :)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris W
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:55 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Quit worry about whether or not you fit into someone's label and
>start worrying about building a gas guzzling airplane! Can we get back
>on subject now.
>
>
>
RV planes aren't gas guzzlers! At 8000 ft on an economy cruise setting
you get over 24 mpg (assuming no head wind) I would say that's pretty
good. Fly at 10,000ft or 11,000ft and you get even better millage.
That's better than I get in my Ford Ranger. It's only about 6 mpg away
from what some call a high millage for cars. My 24 mpg figure was based
on the range listed on Van's website for an RV-7 at 55% power with the
160 hp engine.
do not archive.
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
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| Subject: | Oil fittings on the case |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
I am doing this again as I think I failed to get the message through
before. I am installing the oil fittings in the case for the oil cooler.
The straight fitting goes in around the center of the accessory case.
The return fitting goes in just above the right mag and just behind the
oil filter. This fitting is a 45 degree unit and I need to know where to
point the fitting. Does it point downward toward the center of the
engine between the oil filter and right mag or out over the mag toward
the #4 cylinder ? Inquiring minds want to know!
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Oil fittings on the case |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Jim,
On my Superior XP-I0-360 B1B (180 hp) the 45 degree fitting is rotated so it
points down maybe 20 degrees from horizontal so the hose clears the oil
filter.
Terry
RV-8A
Seattle
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
I am doing this again as I think I failed to get the message through
before. I am installing the oil fittings in the case for the oil cooler.
The straight fitting goes in around the center of the accessory case.
The return fitting goes in just above the right mag and just behind the
oil filter. This fitting is a 45 degree unit and I need to know where to
point the fitting. Does it point downward toward the center of the
engine between the oil filter and right mag or out over the mag toward
the #4 cylinder ? Inquiring minds want to know!
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Oil fittings on the case |
Mine points toward the #4 cylinder but it kind of depends on just where
your oil cooler is going to be hung. I think I'd wait until you install
the cooler and hoses before picking a final orientation for the fitting.
Dave
James H Nelson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
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>I am doing this again as I think I failed to get the message through
>before. I am installing the oil fittings in the case for the oil cooler.
> The straight fitting goes in around the center of the accessory case.
>The return fitting goes in just above the right mag and just behind the
>oil filter. This fitting is a 45 degree unit and I need to know where to
>point the fitting. Does it point downward toward the center of the
>engine between the oil filter and right mag or out over the mag toward
>the #4 cylinder ? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
>Jim Nelson
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