---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/10/06: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:10 AM - fast RV-8, was glue (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 2. 05:37 AM - RV8 Canopy Glue - Thanks (rveighta) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Richard Seiders) 4. 06:15 AM - AKZO primer question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 5. 06:45 AM - Bleeding the brakes (Oldsfolks@aol.com) 6. 06:45 AM - Constant Speed Prop/Governor For Sale (Dana Overall) 7. 06:50 AM - Re: MOGAS related Crashes, ouch () 8. 06:58 AM - Re: Heater vent inlet up vs down (Tim Bryan) 9. 07:37 AM - Re: AKZO primer question (Konrad L. Werner) 10. 08:06 AM - Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (low pass) 11. 08:24 AM - Re: AKZO primer question (RAS) 12. 09:15 AM - Dan's Wx Site Address? (Jerry Grimmonpre) 13. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Bob Collins) 14. 10:02 AM - Re: Dan's Wx Site Address? (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 15. 10:08 AM - Re: AKZO primer question (Richard Seiders) 16. 10:40 AM - Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot (Andrew Barker) 17. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Tedd McHenry) 18. 11:23 AM - Re: non-swiveling tail wheel (Tim Bryan) 19. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Konrad L. Werner) 20. 12:10 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 07/09/06, Gobal Warming? (PSPRV6A@aol.com) 21. 12:31 PM - Re: non-swiveling tail wheel (Paul Besing) 22. 12:45 PM - Re: Constant Speed Prop/Governor For Sale (Dana Overall) 23. 12:54 PM - O320 Constant Speed Prop for Sale (Dana Overall) 24. 02:39 PM - Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (cecilth@juno.com) 25. 03:17 PM - Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial (JEllis9847@aol.com) 26. 03:53 PM - Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot (Jim Ellis) 27. 05:01 PM - Test (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 28. 06:29 PM - Cowling (Neal George) 29. 06:29 PM - Re: AKZO primer question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 30. 07:07 PM - Jacking up an RV (Emrath) 31. 07:19 PM - Wanted Garmin 296 GPS (Jerry Springer) 32. 07:36 PM - Re: Jacking up an RV (Dan Checkoway) 33. 07:54 PM - Re: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS (Paul Besing) 34. 07:58 PM - Re: AKZO primer question (Tim Olson) 35. 08:44 PM - Re: Jacking up an RV (Vanremog@aol.com) 36. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 07/09/06, Gobal Warming? (Vanremog@aol.com) 37. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol (Vanremog@aol.com) 38. 09:00 PM - Re: Jacking up an RV (Tim Bryan) 39. 09:00 PM - exhaust bolt torque (sarg314) 40. 09:15 PM - Re: exhaust bolt torque (Vanremog@aol.com) 41. 09:32 PM - Re: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS (Jerry Springer) 42. 09:36 PM - Re: Jacking up an RV (Terry Watson) 43. 09:45 PM - New TruTrack Pictorial Pilot Autopilot for Sale (tomvelvick) 44. 09:50 PM - Re: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS (tomvelvick) 45. 09:58 PM - How to fly Constant Speed? (bob rundle) 46. 11:12 PM - Re: Jacking up an RV (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:09 AM PST US From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RV-List: fast RV-8, was glue --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Guess this thread is now officially hijacked. In reference to your comment "speeds that other RV8s can only dream about". This statement has left me with a bit of skepticism. I am assuming that this statement means that your RV8 is faster than all of the others. Don't know why you would assume that. I said "others", not "all" It would seem to me that you would be anxious to demonstrate your prowess in the Air Venture Race just before Oshkosh. Not. Sorry. Im not a racer. Not getting me to bite. Ill be at the SQI formation clinic during the race. I have little doubt however than my 8 can hang with others. But I do not call it "the fast one". Not sure why you are so skeptical. I have published performance numbers. I think they speak for themselves. Frankly I think my plane is a bit slow given the hp. But its good enough for me. http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/super8/index.htm Enjoy, Mike -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:55 PM --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" Mike, In reference to your comment "speeds that other RV8s can only dream abount". This statement has left me with a bit of skepticism. I am assuming that this statement means that your RV8 is faster than all of the others. It would seem to me that you would be anxious to demonstrate your prowess in the Air Venture Race just before Oshkosh. Their is still time to squeeze in a potentially class winning participant. Contact Eric White immediately and he may be able to squeeze you in the Race. I , John Huft and Dave Anders would really enjoy some j "high speed" competition. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 9:07 AM > --> RV-List message posted by: Finn Lassen > > John, you do know he's got an IO-540 in his Super-8, don't you? > > Finn > > John Huft wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: John Huft >> >> >> Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" >>> >>> >>> I glued mine. There is no reason why you could not get a bead in there. >>> There is so little pressure on the canopy and skirt, the bead is of >>> little consequence anyway IMHO. 250hours at speeds other RV-8's only >>> dream about:) >>> >>> Best, >>> Mike >>> Do not archive >>> >>> >> >> >> Well, Mike, I'm not sure WHO is dreaming...why don't you show for one of >> the races and give us a demo? >> >> John > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:34 AM PST US From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: RV8 Canopy Glue - Thanks --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta Thanks for all the helpful info provided regarding gluing canopies with Sikflex. I appreciate the help!! Just wish I hadn't been instrumental in beginning a controversy. Walt Shipley Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:36 AM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: Re: RV-List: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders The RV list has degenerated into a BS Chat Room, but there is still occasionally an interesting question or comment about RV building/flying. One just has to be selective and avoid reading the drivel that seems to amuse many. Dick RV6A At 11:18 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: David Maib > >Thank you Tom Gummo!! > >do not archive >On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Tom Gummo wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" > >I tried to stay out of this BUT ... > >First, I am over 55+ old. > >Second, I am a trained Chemist and Computer Scientists. (Subjects >with my masters degrees) >I also built a Harmon Rocket. (This is the RV-List) >I teach chemistry, math and computer science at two local colleges. >After reading tons of stuff on the subject, I realize that I KNOW >NOTHING ABOUT IT. > >I really think that scientists are in two camps: the first is the >side that is paying them (Follow the money, just like several people >have stated) and others are in the side that will get them money. If >there is NO problem, there is NO money. If you can make it look like >there is a problem, money will be thrown at you. Why is it in the >newspapers, No problem - NO NEWS. Problem - BIG NEWS. You only >really hear from the "Problem" folks. > >The other two camps are metal planes verse plastic ones (this is the >RV-List). > >Why do I bring up my age: in the 60's and 70's and maybe even the >early 80's. All I heard was about global cooling and the coming ice >age. Now scientists using the SAME DATA are telling us that it is >global warning. The book the "Population Bomb" stated that we would >be living shoulder to shoulder by now. Funny, I don't hear anything >about it anymore. The OZONE hole got bigger and smaller without any >help from mankind in the past. > >What about constant speed props compared to fix pitch (this is the RV- list). > >If the earth is getting warmer, could it be the sun is getting >hotter. Look it up, the sun goes through cycles too and we are in a >period where it is hotter. If that is the case, could it the sun and >have nothing to do with mankind that there maybe a world wide >temperature change. > >What about tandem verse side by side seating (this is the RV-List). > >What about the fact, that the earth has had several ice ages. That >means it got cold then it got warn then it got cold and then it got >warm .... Once again, mankind wasn't able to change the cycle or >better yet create one. > >But Van can and does produce a great series of kits (This is the RV- List). > >Take another case, what if it was a good idea to melt all the polar >ice. Go find a scientist that could find a way to do it. CAN'T BE >DONE with current technology. So why do you think my car and plane >will do it? > >AOA, required or just a nice toy (This is the RV-List). > >IS THERE A PROBLEM?: MAYBE. Should we try to be NICER to the planet: >YOU BET. >But anybody who claims to know is full of sh_t. >Of course, this is just one slightly educated man's opinion, who also >built a Harmon Rocket (This is the RV-List). > >What next: >Abortion - Pro-Life >Tax Cuts for the Rich >War - Antiwar >that list is too long. > >I am too old to be climbing on and off the soapbox. :-) If you >clearly want to take exception to anything I wrote, PLEASE email >directly. As most likely, I will be deleting any more emails on this >subject on the RV-List without reading them. > >Can we talk about flying or building RVs again? I even have some fun >F-4 stories that would be closer to the subject of this mailing list >than this rubbish. (OF COURSE, THIS IS THE RV-LIST). > > >Tom Gummo >Apple Valley, CA >Harmon Rocket-II > >do not archive > >http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html > > >www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:48 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: RV-List: AKZO primer question Listers, No, I don't want to start a war. I have 2 one gallon cans (base and curing solution) of Dexter (AKZO) 2 part epoxy primer that are now 5 years old. The label says the maximum shelf life is 2 years -- mil spec, etc. They have been kept at room temperature the whole time (air conditioned in summer, greater than 60 degrees in winter). The contents look good after stirring the base for about 5 minutes. I mixed some up and waited 1/2 hour and sprayed it on a piece of scotch-bright scuffed aluminum. After curing it seems to be very hard and works like new as far as I can tell. Here is the question: what would be the failure mode of using this old primer? I hate to throw away $130 plus shipping if it is actually OK to use. Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:30 AM PST US From: Oldsfolks@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Bleeding the brakes Why not just buy a "Mity-Vac" ,which is made for this kind of job ??? Harbor freight tools has one model for about 15 bucks and it has the things needed to do the job. More expensive models have more equipment and are re-buildable. Bob Olds RV-4 Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:58 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Constant Speed Prop/Governor For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I've got an overhauled constant speed prop and prop governor coming out of overhaul and ready for sale. The props are 74" 7666 with a C2YR-1BF hub. $4800.00 takes the constant speed prop AND governor. If you need the stainless oil line and governor adapter, let me know. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:36 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: MOGAS related Crashes, ouch >From: Fiveonepw@aol.com > >C'mon, is this the best you can do? Very informative, >informative, but wearily long and all of these reports that YOU >CITED I made no claim of detailed analysis, I hear you, but.... I'll give you some better examples that spell it out, but... just because the final determination for the power loss is unexplained, it does not make me feel good. Fact is several planes, all using auto fuel, had loss of power along with low or erratic fuel pressure. Just happens it was also a hot day. Unexplained loss of power, surging and erratic fuel pressure on hot days, while using high vapor pressure auto fuel might mean vapor lock is the cause (I really do think). VL certainly is a very reasonable explanation since it matches the symptoms. Just because OJ was not found guilty does not mean he didn't do it. All the FAA can say is they can't prove it after the fact, but they out and out say it below or imply vapor lock often.. I got clever, I searched on Vapor Lock and Automotive fuel. (69 hits) Here they say it, out right, RV-9A auto gas and vapor lock http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=CHI06LA069&rpt=fa some factory planes (hey if it can happen to them...) NAVION, any more questions http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 001213X30993&key=1 Rockwell Ag plane, FAA says.... http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=MKC88LA141&rpt=fi Piper PA-20, if that does not do it for Ya http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=ANC89LA118&rpt=fi (auto fuel has three times the vapor pressure) Some more experimentals Pitts Special, auto fuel and vapor lock in narrative text http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=CHI83LA312&rpt=fi Thorp T-18, Mazda powered, page 1, par 2 and par 4. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX94LA273&rpt=fa D-51S vapor lock, no mention of auto gas, but could be. The vapor lock symptoms are interesting and common. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=MIA99FA159&rpt=fi Velocity - very interesting. engine failure due to auto fuel? Look at 1st-par on page 1a and 1 st-par on page 1b. Although an engine failure, the low octane auto gas contributed to the high compression engines demise. Also before the fatal flight the builder/pilot had vapor lock problems and installed additional return line and solenoid. Auto fuel was used. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=FTW98FA165&rpt=fa C'mon! You can deny deny deny but it's common knowledge. So when I say keep the fuel cool any way you can you see what I mean. I guess I am not that dumb after all. Sometime the NTSB probable cause for vapor lock is coded as: -Improper grade of fuel -fuel, system line blocked -fuel, system pump blocked -fluid, fuel starvation -fuel system overtemperature Unexplained does not mean it's not a possibility. I am just suggesting it's possible, suspect, that auto fuel contributed to the loss of power. You have to know what the vapor lock signals are. Heat and low atmospheric pressure is a recipe for VL. Here is a link that explains vapor lock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapour_lock >From: linn Walters >Subject: Re: RV-List: MOGAS related Crashes, ouch > >I only read a few of the accident reports, and none that I >read said that Auto fuel CAUSED the accident. Great point, absolutly true. However when you read so many unexplained loss of power, high ambient temps and auto fuel, than you have to say, hummm. Obviously dirty rusty cans and not filtering the fuel is a dumb pilot trick. However when you handle fuel and buy car gas, the risk of getting bad gas increases, logically. I did not list several NTSB reports of in-flight engine failures due to valve damage. Now that could be due to detonation. We know a prime cause of detonation is low octane. Auto gas has lower octane. What scares me the most (and I found a few more since yesterday) are the takeoff or cruise unexplained loss of power, typically on hot days. That's scary and suggests vapor lock. May be I am not as big an idiot for suggesting that if you plan on using auto gas in your tightly cowled RV, you do everything you can to keep the fuel cool: hose insulation, heat shields, blast tubes and vapor return line. The mechanical pump is the biggest offender of heat into the fuel. They make shields and blast tubes for them. Also ceramic coated (in and out) exhaust is helpful. It might be a good idea even if you use AVfuel. If you plan on AVgas than less worries, it's without dispute AVgas is far more resistant to vapor lock and engine detonation with higher octane. That has been my main point. AVgas give you more margin to detonation and vapor lock. Also quality control of getting the fuel into the plane direct from an airfield pump or fuel truck is more higher or more secure. Clearly from 250 accidents, many involving poor fuel handing getting fuel into your plane, with gas cans, can cause contamination. Last, I don't think you can look at 250 accidents, almost all involving inflight loss of power, all w/ auto fuel on board, and not draw a conclusion? hummmmm, there is some increased risk. What can I learn from these NTSB reports, STC's, FAA, EAA and AOPA. Just like the TV public service Ads, You Ought-A Know. > "Jim Sears" > Since George has taken offense to our discussion, >I think it best to stop this discussion, now. I have been researching auto fuel for 20 years, since the late 80's. I just don't favor it for high compression engines and tightly cowled RV's. it's just my opinion. Sue me. :-) Besides reading a lot on the topic, as a CFI, I taught a group of pilots who owned a C-182 with a STC for auto fuel years ago. They stopped using it for several reasons. This is not like I just thought of this yesterday. I have followed this from the start. You present one side of the story, and just think another opinon was needed to this discourse. Jim has been 20 years flying with auto fuel. That is a good data point. I respect that. I recall Jim flys a low compression 150 HP Grumman Cheetah. I am going to submit the temps in the cowl of the AA-5 are less than a RV. Also with the lower temps and lower octane requirement of the 150 HP, O320, the Grumman makes a good candidate for auto fuel and better than a high compression RV. I do not believe Jim is flying his RV yet, so not sure he can claim auto gas RV experience, but I could be wrong. Forgive me if I am wrong. There are planes like the Mooney that suffer vapor lock with auto fuel and thus can not get a STC. It is not a stretch of logic to assume that the same issues might face the RV. I am NOT anti-Autogas. However I do think it is better suited for low compression engines (80/86 octane) and planes with big cowls and exhaust pipes that don't run inches from the carburetor, fuel lines and gascolator. THAT IS ALL FOLKS. Captain AVgas over and out, ha ha ha Cheers, George --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:54 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Heater vent inlet up vs down Ralph, I have seen it done both ways. My outlet faces down, but others in my ar ea face up. Heat rises is one way to do it with outlet up, but then with th e exit air is a reason to do it the other. Maybe someone else has a good reason for one or the other. Have fun Tim -------Original Message------- --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Fellow listers, I'm getting ready to install my heater vents on the firewall. The way I read it, the instructions say 'inlet down'. This means that wh en you're not using the heater, the hot air is being blown up behind the eng ine instead of down towards the cowl exit area. Did I miss something? Does it matter? I would think inlet up.......Did they instruct it the other way for a reason? Pictures of how folks have already done it would be appreciated. Also, I f you did it one way and didn't like it......why? Ralph Capen ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:41 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question Hi Dan, Don't have an answer in regards to the failure mode for you, but if it checks out O.K. on a test piece then I would definitely use it up... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: RV-List: AKZO primer question Listers, No, I don't want to start a war. I have 2 one gallon cans (base and curing solution) of Dexter (AKZO) 2 part epoxy primer that are now 5 years old. The label says the maximum shelf life is 2 years -- mil spec, etc. They have been kept at room temperature the whole time (air conditioned in summer, greater than 60 degrees in winter). The contents look good after stirring the base for about 5 minutes. I mixed some up and waited 1/2 hour and sprayed it on a piece of scotch-bright scuffed aluminum. After curing it seems to be very hard and works like new as far as I can tell. Here is the question: what would be the failure mode of using this old primer? I hate to throw away $130 plus shipping if it is actually OK to use. Dan Hopper RV-7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 7/7/2006 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:03 AM PST US From: "low pass" Subject: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" Yep, there's a lot of emotional rant happening here. And no, it's not a building issue. But it is guaranteed to affect every one of us who enjoy burning hydrocarbons in their internal combustion engine in order to fly our little planes. Algore (making money) is using his misguided supporters to halt the use of CO2 emitting processes (i.e., powered flight). This will happen either through direct legislation or by indirectly jacking up the price to a point where 95% of us cannot afford to fly. This thread isn't just a silly little political or emotional rant. It's about seeing the end of recreational flying. You support Algore and his type, you have no place flying powered GA. Well, not without contradicting yourself. Sorry to be so harsh, but I take real offense at these misguided actions destroying my freedom to fly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46109#46109 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:40 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question Hi, Subject to certain conditions the aircraft factories re-life paint related materials if they have their own labs. Do a tape test on your test piece. Use a good quality masking tape(3M) press it onto the piece with a spreader and then pull off without doubling over.(yank it off) if the primer stays on the adhesion is still reasonable good. The problem of using expired parimer/paint is usually adhesion. Some two packs sometimes don't harden out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question Hi Dan, Don't have an answer in regards to the failure mode for you, but if it checks out O.K. on a test piece then I would definitely use it up... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: RV-List: AKZO primer question Listers, No, I don't want to start a war. I have 2 one gallon cans (base and curing solution) of Dexter (AKZO) 2 part epoxy primer that are now 5 years old. The label says the maximum shelf life is 2 years -- mil spec, etc. They have been kept at room temperature the whole time (air conditioned in summer, greater than 60 degrees in winter). The contents look good after stirring the base for about 5 minutes. I mixed some up and waited 1/2 hour and sprayed it on a piece of scotch-bright scuffed aluminum. After curing it seems to be very hard and works like new as far as I can tell. Here is the question: what would be the failure mode of using this old primer? I hate to throw away $130 plus shipping if it is actually OK to use. Dan Hopper RV-7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Date: 7/7/2006 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:56 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: RV-List: Dan's Wx Site Address? --> RV-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Hi Listers ... Can someone please post Dan Checkoway's weather site address ... I've misplaced it. Many thanks, Jerry Grimmonpre' jerry@mc.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:30 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" C'mon folks. Let's remember the #1 rule. Politics and religion. Let's move on. There'll be no converts and just wasted bandwidth. (Required RV content) Mating the wings today. Bob St. Paul Definitely Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:52 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Dan's Wx Site Address? >>>> Find Dan's most WXcellent site at: http://www.rvproject.com/wx/ Mark - do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:22 AM PST US From: Richard Seiders Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:59 AM PST US From: "Andrew Barker" Subject: RE: RV-List: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot The NMEA 0183 should work. Just make sure that the autopilot and EFIS are both at the same baud rate. The standard baud rate for the NMEA 0183 is 4800, but some systems will output at 9600 as well. Either is fine with the autopilot. Andrew Barker General Manager TruTrak Flight Systems "You build it...We fly it!" PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222 www.trutrakap.com _____ [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jellis9847@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:09 PM Hi All, Is there anyone out there who has tried to connect a Blue Mountain EFIS G3 Lite to a Trutrak Pictorial Pilot? I have the Serial Port B connected to the Pictorial Pilot but the autopilot doesn't recognize the GPS input. I suspect that I don't have the correct settings in the EFIS (choices include GPSS and NMEA 0183 among others). BMA Tech Support says they haven't tested this autopilot so that can't give me the correct settings. Anybody out there have any ideas? Thanks Jim Ellis RV9-A, Flying _____ __________ NOD32 1.1651 (20060708) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:56 AM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > Let's move on. There'll be no converts and just wasted bandwidth. Bob: With respect, I couldn't disagree more. I haven't participated in the discussion at all, but I've found the ideas presented helpful. Sure, sometimes people express themselves badly. But there's still value in the discussion, and we shouldn't forget that a lot more people are reading what is said than are contributing themselves. As someone pointed out, this is something that will affect all of us who fly, so it needs to be discussed. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:09 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: non-swiveling tail wheel OK, you can disregard this question. A call to Van's answered the questi on. Kits earlier than about 96/97 came with a non-swivel tail wheel. I just ordered the conversion for mine. What a drag, replacing parts on mine before they are even used. I would not have been happy with a non-swivel however. Tim -------Original Message------- How do you identify the non-swivel by looking at it and what is involved in replacing it to a swivel type? My fuse kit was purchased in 1993. I don 't believe my tailwheel will swivel. Something I only recently discovered w hen I installed my chains. I plan to remove them this weekend to find out i f I can swivel and am bound up or doesn't swivel. (Then throw the chains awa y and install tail lynx system) Tim RV-6 -------Original Message------- --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing It will go 90, but not much more than that before the chains bind up. Another words, the chains are the limiting factor..the will swivel but the chains inhibit the movement. Will be upgrading to swivel tailwheel soon! Paul Besing --- Jeff Point wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > > Does anyone know how much travel the old style > non-swiveling tail wheels > had? I'm looking for degrees side to side from > center. > > Jeff Point > RV-6 > Milwaukee > do not archive > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > Admin. > > __________________________________________________ ========================= ============ he RV-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========================= ============ sp; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - nics.com ========================= ============ sp; - List Contribution Web Site - sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. //www.matronics.com/contribution ========================= ============ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:04 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Re: .....so it needs to be discussed..... Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.... / So how about we do that on an FOSSIL ENERGY FOR AVIATORS type List instead of the Vans RV-(specific)-List. All it would take is the originator of a post to make a mention on the RV-List for everyone interested to feel free to check out his/her news about fossil fuel issues. . . There you have it, ...whoever cares can educated themselves on that subject without clogging the RV-List for days!!! DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Tedd McHenry To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > Let's move on. There'll be no converts and just wasted bandwidth. Bob: With respect, I couldn't disagree more. I haven't participated in the discussion at all, but I've found the ideas presented helpful. Sure, sometimes people express themselves badly. But there's still value in the discussion, and we shouldn't forget that a lot more people are reading what is said than are contributing themselves. As someone pointed out, this is something that will affect all of us who fly, so it needs to be discussed. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:00 PM PST US From: PSPRV6A@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 07/09/06, Gobal Warming? We should be thankful at this time for global warming. Precisely where I am sitting (Minnesota) was buried under two miles of solid ice only a few thousand years ago, like 7-10 thousand years. The 10,000 lakes we enjoy are the direct result of those glaciers. Without global warming, nobody could live here, in northern Europe, or northern Asia. It is wise to be watchful but no need to be an alarmist. Paul S. Petersen, finishing RV6A with son Eric ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:26 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: non-swiveling tail wheel --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing Good move. I have the old tailwheel and it's a real pain when pushing back into my hangar..have to use a tow bar. Then, when I'm out somewhere away from the airport it can be frustrating moving the airplane around! I'll be upgrading to the Bell Tailwheel assembly soon. Paul Besing --- Tim Bryan wrote: > OK, you can disregard this question. A call to > Van's answered the question. > Kits earlier than about 96/97 came with a > non-swivel tail wheel. I just > ordered the conversion for mine. What a drag, > replacing parts on mine > before they are even used. I would not have been > happy with a non-swivel > however. > > Tim > > -------Original Message------- > > > How do you identify the non-swivel by looking at it > and what is involved in > replacing it to a swivel type? My fuse kit was > purchased in 1993. I don't > believe my tailwheel will swivel. Something I only > recently discovered when > I installed my chains. I plan to remove them this > weekend to find out if I > can swivel and am bound up or doesn't swivel. (Then > throw the chains away > and install tail lynx system) > > Tim RV-6 > > -------Original Message------- > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing > > > It will go 90, but not much more than that before > the > chains bind up. Another words, the chains are the > limiting factor..the will swivel but the chains > inhibit the movement. Will be upgrading to swivel > tailwheel soon! > > Paul Besing > > --- Jeff Point wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point > > > > > > Does anyone know how much travel the old style > > non-swiveling tail wheels > > had? I'm looking for degrees side to side from > > center. > > > > Jeff Point > > RV-6 > > Milwaukee > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > ===================================== > he RV-List Email Forum - > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ===================================== > sp; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > nics.com > ===================================== > sp; - List Contribution Web Site - > sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > //www.matronics.com/contribution > ===================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:14 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Constant Speed Prop/Governor For Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" The prop and gov are now sold. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive >From: "Dana Overall" >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Constant Speed Prop/Governor For Sale >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:45:19 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > >I've got an overhauled constant speed prop and prop governor coming out of >overhaul and ready for sale. The props are 74" 7666 with a C2YR-1BF hub. > >$4800.00 takes the constant speed prop AND governor. > >If you need the stainless oil line and governor adapter, let me know. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY i39 >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666 >http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html >do not archive > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:00 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: O320 Constant Speed Prop for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" In addition to getting the O360 prop out of the shop, I now own the following for sale: Hartzell C2YL-1BF F7663-4 74" Overhauled Constant Speed Prop with paperwork. I will throw in as a combo an overhauled Prop Governor. This configuration is for an O320. Price is $4650.00 plus shipping. (This is about $2000 less than new Van's) Office number 859 369-7582 Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:10 PM PST US From: cecilth@juno.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol --> RV-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com I agree with this post. But another thought came to mind. Remember all that oil in Alaska? How do you think it got there? My understanding is that the big animals and tropical stuff made it. Then all we need is a big object from outer space put an end to the discussion. Sure glad Gore isn't president. Cecil On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:10:14 -0600 "Olen Goodwin" writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Olen Goodwin" > > So...are you saying there is no natural fluctuation of the earth's > climate? > The Sahara was farm country a few thousand years ago and turned > desert way > before the machine age, and even before the human population > explosion > occurred. What about the redwood cones found above the arctic > circle? I > don't say emissions of various kinds have NO effect, but how can the > events > (volcanic and otherwise) that produce far more CO2 than decades of > man made > emissions be discounted? I'm curious also how we can presume to > know the > average temperature of a point on the earth's surface when records > have been > kept for only a hundred years or so. Is it the same kind of science > that > can build a complete culture from a couple of knife points and a > molar? > > No offense, but it seems the science that's out there is pretty > selectively > chosen by the supporters of the current global warming theory. > There's lots > that point the other way, too. > > The people pushing the global warming theory aren't exactly > operating out of > the back of a VW bus, either. There's plenty of money on both sides > and > people on both sides making a living advocating their particular > position. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:00 PM > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > > > > Vincent Osburn wrote: > >> With no disrespect intended to anyone.... man made global warming > is a > >> farce I believe..... > > > > There were a lot of naysayers in the 60s and 70s about the effects > > of smoking, too. > > > > Just look at the money behind the people that say that global > > warming is not real. Don't believe what anyone says, check out > > the facts for yourself. The truth is out there! > > > > -- > > Mickey Coggins > > http://www.rv8.ch/ > > #82007 finishing > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:41 PM PST US From: JEllis9847@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Hi Ron, Thanks for the information. It was very useful. I spoke with Ross at Blue Mountain Avionics today and he told me that their NMEA-0183 output "should" work with a Trutrak autopilot but he said that neither he nor anyone else there had ever heard of anyone that had actually done so. My question is a simple one. Has anyone, anywhere ever been able to make a working connection between any Blue Mountain efis and any Trutrak autopilot? Strangely neither BMA or Trutrak technical support knows the answer to this question. I am truly baffled by the manufactures lack of knowledge about their very own product's usage in the real world! Jim Ellis ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:09 PM PST US From: "Jim Ellis" Subject: RV-List: Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Ellis" Hi Andrew, First of all let me say how surprised and delighted that you folks at TruTrak monitor the List and would take the time to respond. It is much appreciated! I spoke with John in your Tech Support Group today and he said much the same thing...that it "should" work. But he had never talked to anyone that had actually been able to make a working serial connection to a Blue Mountain EFIS. I don't know why but that seems so odd to me. There must be someone out there that has actually tried, successfully or otherwise, to connect a Blue Mountain EFIS to a TruTrak autopilot. Thanks again for your response, Jim Ellis RV9-A, Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46212#46212 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:18 PM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: RV-List: Test do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:25 PM PST US From: "Neal George" Subject: RV-List: Cowling Listers - I'm considering using the Sam James Holy Cowl on my RV-7. Anybody need a Van's (I)O-360 no-scoop cowl? Neal E. George 2023 Everglades Drive Navarre, FL 32566 Home - 850-515-0640 Cell - 850-218-4838 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:25 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question Thanks everyone for the replies. Richard, it is slightly amber colored -- kind of like the color of auto gas. Does anyone know if it had any color to start with. I don't remember. The primer sprays and cures OK. It is as hard as nails just like it was 4 or 5 years ago. Its amazing stuff for those of you who haven't used it. How would I replace the hardener? Is it cheaper than the base? I bought them both from Aircraft Spruce together. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:12:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, seiders@bellsouth.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders Dan, I spoke with a friend who operates an auto body and paint shop (he painted my RV6A doing a beautiful job) and he says primer should be ok but check hardener and if yellowed replace it. Dick At 09:12 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: Listers, No, I don't want to start a war. I have 2 one gallon cans (base and curing solution) of Dexter (AKZO) 2 part epoxy primer that are now 5 years old. The label says the maximum shelf life is 2 years -- mil spec, etc. They have been kept at room temperature the whole time (air conditioned in summer, greater than 60 degrees in winter). The contents look good after stirring the base for about 5 minutes. I mixed some up and waited 1/2 hour and sprayed it on a piece of scotch-bright scuffed aluminum. After curing it seems to be very hard and works like new as far as I can tell. Here is the question: what would be the failure mode of using this old primer? I hate to throw away $130 plus shipping if it is actually OK to use. Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:19 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Jacking up an RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would like to know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like to hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing tires or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV and what they did instead. Marty in Brentwood RV-6A ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:34 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: RV-List: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Anyone on the list have a Garmin 296 they want to sell because they are upgrading to a 396 etc? do not archive Jerry ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:15 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Jacking up an RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I have the Avery RV Jack Stand and have used it exclusively on my RV-7. I've changed tires 3 or 4 times, rotating the tires halfway through their wear. All said and done, I've probably jacked the thing up a dozen times or more using the jack stand. Works great from my perspective. It's stable and quick. I'm hard-pressed to think of a down-side other than having to hollow out the axle nut, which isn't a big deal. Some have said that you can simply put a hose clamp around the base of the gear leg at the bend, and then jack up against that. That would sure be the simplest way to go. But in my case the brake tubing loop would interfere with doing that. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (972 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:04 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and > changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would like > to > know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like to > hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing tires > or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV > and what they did instead. > > Marty in Brentwood > RV-6A > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:27 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing There was just a price drop on the 396!!! Darnit!! I'd go for the newly lowered price on the 396 if you can sport the extra cake... Paul Besing --- Jerry Springer wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > > Anyone on the list have a Garmin 296 they want to > sell because they are > upgrading to a 396 etc? > > > do not archive > Jerry > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:17 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV-List: AKZO primer question --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson That's the right color. If it were me, I'd just use it. If your quick test shows it's tough, then I'm betting you'll be just fine, and richer for not spending more cash. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the replies. > > Richard, it is slightly amber colored -- kind of like the color of auto > gas. Does anyone know if it had any color to start with. I don't > remember. The primer sprays and cures OK. It is as hard as nails just > like it was 4 or 5 years ago. Its amazing stuff for those of you who > haven't used it. > > How would I replace the hardener? Is it cheaper than the base? I > bought them both from Aircraft Spruce together. > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A > > > In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:12:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > seiders@bellsouth.net writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders Dan, I spoke with a > friend who operates an auto body and paint shop (he painted my RV6A > doing a beautiful job) and he says primer should be ok but check > hardener and if yellowed replace it. > Dick > > At 09:12 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >> Listers, >> >> No, I don't want to start a war. >> >> I have 2 one gallon cans (base and curing solution) of Dexter >> (AKZO) 2 part epoxy primer that are now 5 years old. The label >> says the maximum shelf life is 2 years -- mil spec, etc. They >> have been kept at room temperature the whole time (air conditioned >> in summer, greater than 60 degrees in winter). The contents look >> good after stirring the base for about 5 minutes. >> >> I mixed some up and waited 1/2 hour and sprayed it on a piece of >> scotch-bright scuffed aluminum. After curing it seems to be very >> hard and works like new as far as I can tell. >> >> Here is the question: what would be the failure mode of using >> this old primer? I hate to throw away $130 plus shipping if it is >> actually OK to use. >> >> Dan ==================================================== vigator >> and ist ==================================================Matt >> ===================================== > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:41 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Jacking up an RV In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:10:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, emrath@comcast.net writes: or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV and what they did instead. =========================================== I just use my old hydraulic floor jack sitting on top of a plastic step-stool/tool case. It has a cupped end that lifts against my wing tie down rings. I use the McMaster-Carr electro-polished stainless steel lifting eyes (P/N 8891T48) for my tie down rings, so they are hell-for-stout pulling or pushing. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:13 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 34 Msgs - 07/09/06, Gobal Warming? In a message dated 7/10/2006 12:11:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, PSPRV6 A@aol.com writes: We should be thankful at this time for global warming. Precisely where I am sitting (Minnesota) was buried under two miles of solid ice only a few thousand years ago, like 7-10 thousand years. The 10,000 lakes we enjoy are the direct result of those glaciers. Without global warming, nobody could live here, in northern Europe, or northern Asia. It is wise to be watchful but no need to be an alarmist. ================================ That means that Canada should be habitable and suffering from a housing boom by 2200. Buy now, but do not archive. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:51 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol In a message dated 7/10/2006 8:10:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rv_8pilot@hotmail.com writes: You support Algore and his type, you have no place flying powered GA. Well, not without contradicting yourself. ============================== This must be true, since I personally have never heard or seen any flip-flopping come at me from the right (he said facetiously). GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:33 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Jacking up an RV I also have the Avery RV Jack stand and think it is great. I first purchased the little angle iron gizmo with the U-bolt that bolts around t he gear leg. It really is terrible. First it is not a flat spot to jack up on and slid off my jack once. Fortunately I still had the wheel on. Second you would have to remove the gear fairing in order to bolt this around yo ur gear leg. The Avery tool is a good one for my money. Angle iron with U-bolt purchased from Van's for sale cheap. Tim -------Original Message------- --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I have the Avery RV Jack Stand and have used it exclusively on my RV-7. I've changed tires 3 or 4 times, rotating the tires halfway through their wear. All said and done, I've probably jacked the thing up a dozen times or more using the jack stand. Works great from my perspective. It's stable and quick. I'm hard-pressed to think of a down-side other than having to hollow out the axle nut, which isn't a big deal. Some have said that you can simply put a hose clamp around the base of th e gear leg at the bend, and then jack up against that. That would sure be the simplest way to go. But in my case the brake tubing loop would interfere with doing that. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (972 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:04 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and > changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would lik e > to > know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like to > hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing ti res > or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV > and what they did instead. > > Marty in Brentwood > RV-6A > > ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ========================= ========== ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:33 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: exhaust bolt torque --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 I was going to torque down the nuts on the exhaust studs on my O-360 when I noticed a contradiction between my torque tables and Larry Vetterman's instructions. Larry says to torque the nuts to 100- 140 in-lb. That's the torque value for a 5/16-24 bolt, according to my table. But the exhaust studs in my engine are 5/16-18. The torque table says to use 80-90 in-lb for the coarse thread 5/16 bolts. What's the right torque value here? Is this another situation like the engine case bolts (1/4-20) which are torqued at 90 - 100 in-lb (about double the value listed in the table)? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:47 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: exhaust bolt torque In a message dated 7/10/2006 9:02:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sarg314@comcast.net writes: I noticed a contradiction between my torque tables and Larry Vetterman's instructions. Larry says to torque the nuts to 100- 140 in-lb. That's the torque value for a 5/16-24 bolt, according to my table. ======================================== I torqued them to 100-140 in-lb just as Larry indicates. He's the exhaust expert as far as I'm concerned! GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:21 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Yes they are a good price but I really don't need the extra features that I will never use such as WX and XM etc. The 296 is now $1495 and the 396 is $2195. Just thought I would check to see if anyone is upgrading and wanted to sell their 296. Jerry do not archive Paul Besing wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing > > There was just a price drop on the 396!!! Darnit!! > I'd go for the newly lowered price on the 396 if you > can sport the extra cake... > > Paul Besing > > > --- Jerry Springer wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer >> >> >>Anyone on the list have a Garmin 296 they want to >>sell because they are >>upgrading to a 396 etc? >> >> >>do not archive >>Jerry >> >> >> >> >>browse >>Subscriptions page, >>FAQ, >> >> >>Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:55 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Jacking up an RV I saw another method advertised somewhere recently. It was a bent pipe with a T on one end. The T steadied the pipe on the floor. The bent pipe went over the wheel, and had a loop of cable that would go under the axle. You jacked up the free end of the bent pipe, lifting the wheel with the cable. It seemed to me that you could do the same thing with a 2x4 and a husky box to support one end of the 2x4. Loop a cable under the axle. Jack the free end of the 2x4. But I have never tried it so maybe it's a bad idea. Terry RV-8A finishing Seattle _____ [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:57 PM I also have the Avery RV Jack stand and think it is great. I first purchased the little angle iron gizmo with the U-bolt that bolts around the gear leg. It really is terrible. First it is not a flat spot to jack up on and slid off my jack once. Fortunately I still had the wheel on. Second you would have to remove the gear fairing in order to bolt this around your gear leg. The Avery tool is a good one for my money. Angle iron with U-bolt purchased from Van's for sale cheap. Tim -------Original Message------- --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I have the Avery RV Jack Stand and have used it exclusively on my RV-7. I've changed tires 3 or 4 times, rotating the tires halfway through their wear. All said and done, I've probably jacked the thing up a dozen times or more using the jack stand. Works great from my perspective. It's stable and quick. I'm hard-pressed to think of a down-side other than having to hollow out the axle nut, which isn't a big deal. Some have said that you can simply put a hose clamp around the base of the gear leg at the bend, and then jack up against that. That would sure be the simplest way to go. But in my case the brake tubing loop would interfere with doing that. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (972 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:04 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and > changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would like > to > know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like to > hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing tires > or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV > and what they did instead. > > Marty in Brentwood > RV-6A > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===================================== he RV-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ===================================== sp; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - nics.com ===================================== sp; - List Contribution Web Site - sp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. //www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================== ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:19 PM PST US From: "tomvelvick" Subject: RV-List: New TruTrack Pictorial Pilot Autopilot for Sale --> RV-List message posted by: "tomvelvick" New in box 2 1/4" Pictorial Pilot combination turn coordinator/wing leveler AP. See http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com for specs and pictures. The Autopilot has the installation hardware for an RV-4 with it. $1700 includes shipping. Tom Velvick email tomvelvick@cox.net cell 623-261-2096 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46285#46285 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:08 PM PST US From: "tomvelvick" Subject: RV-List: Re: Wanted Garmin 296 GPS --> RV-List message posted by: "tomvelvick" jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote: > Anyone on the list have a Garmin 296 they want to sell because they are > upgrading to a 396 etc? > > > do not archive > Jerry Hi Jerry, Great to see you at Arlington last week! We just upgraded from a Garmin GPS III Pilot to the Garmin 296. Cant tell you how much we like it, especially the terrain features. We used them going to Denver a couple of weeks ago and on the trip to Arlington. Katie does want to get the 396 though so we can have nexrad weather/tfrs and metars live in our plane so we may put our 296 up for sale. Will let you know if we do. Regards, Tom Velvick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=46287#46287 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:50 PM PST US From: "bob rundle" Subject: RV-List: How to fly Constant Speed? --> RV-List message posted by: "bob rundle" Can someone explain how to fly a constant speed prop? I can't seem to find much info in the wealth of flying books I have here. Any recommended books? So far I've read: To reduce power: Set throttle to desired RPM. See prop to MP, RPM will remain constant. To increase power: Set prop to fine. Increase throttle/RPM. Correct? Else? BobR _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:47 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Jacking up an RV --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" I used the hose clamp at the bend method and it worked, more or less, but one time it fell off the jack and bent the brake caliper bracket for a $90 replacement part. Ouch. The Avery set up does require the cotter key to be removed before jacking so it's not a handy way to level the airplane for getting gyros straight in the panel or getting a remote compass module level. If you're changing/rotating tires or packing wheel bearings, the cotter's got to come out anyway so that's not a big deal. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:33 PM --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I have the Avery RV Jack Stand and have used it exclusively on my RV-7. I've changed tires 3 or 4 times, rotating the tires halfway through their wear. All said and done, I've probably jacked the thing up a dozen times or more using the jack stand. Works great from my perspective. It's stable and quick. I'm hard-pressed to think of a down-side other than having to hollow out the axle nut, which isn't a big deal. Some have said that you can simply put a hose clamp around the base of the gear leg at the bend, and then jack up against that. That would sure be the simplest way to go. But in my case the brake tubing loop would interfere with doing that. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (972 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:04 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and > changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would like > to > know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like to > hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing tires > or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the RV > and what they did instead. > > Marty in Brentwood > RV-6A > > >