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1. 02:15 AM - Re: Re: Van's announcement leaked (Jim Sears)
2. 02:18 AM - Re: OAT probe position ()
3. 02:47 AM - Re: Marker Beacon Antennas (alan@reichertech.com)
4. 04:37 AM - Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Dana Overall)
5. 06:40 AM - Parking Brake Location (James H Nelson)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Parking Brake Location (Jekyll)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Jamie Painter)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (kitfoxmike)
9. 09:01 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Joseph Larson)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Larry Pardue)
11. 09:40 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (kitfoxmike)
12. 09:40 AM - X-C Tool Kit (Rick Galati)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Konrad L. Werner)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (D.Bristol)
15. 10:15 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Mickey Coggins)
16. 10:27 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (kitfoxmike)
17. 10:27 AM - Re: X-C Tool Kit (Ron Lee)
18. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Ralph E. Capen)
19. 11:40 AM - Landing Gear Bolts (John Porter)
20. 11:59 AM - Re: RV10-List: Static Ports (JOHN STARN)
21. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Tim Bryan)
22. 12:43 PM - Re: X-C Tool Kit (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_MS?=)
23. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Joseph Larson)
24. 01:31 PM - Re: X-C Tool Kit (David Burton)
25. 03:31 PM - Re: X-C Tool Kit (Tedd McHenry)
26. 06:47 PM - .020 tail feathers from .016 (Ed Holyoke)
27. 07:20 PM - Re: Landing Gear Bolts (Larry Bowen)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 (RV6 Flyer)
29. 07:52 PM - Re: Landing Gear Bolts (John Porter)
30. 09:43 PM - Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 (Richard E. Tasker)
31. 10:29 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Chris W)
32. 10:38 PM - Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 (Bob Perkinson)
33. 11:00 PM - Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 (Rob Prior (rv7))
34. 11:00 PM - Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 (Rob Prior (rv7))
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| Subject: | Re: Van's announcement leaked |
Like so many before who've been hounded off the list. Some of us have
been too stuborn to leave; but, we've lost some pretty good
contributors. I'd say Scott isn't monitoring. When one gets totally
fed up, there's no reason to return. I left another group and never
returned. At times, I wonder why I'm still on this one.
Jim in KY
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Van's announcement leaked
Hey Scott is a "Good-Guy". He didn't give-up, he was hounded off.
Though I really believe he still monitors the list. He's just too
smart to pipe up and get jumped on some more.
Richard Sipp <rsipp@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp"
Denis:
Way back when, some of Van's employees most knowledgeable employees
participated actively on the list (on their own time) and provided
invaluable assistance to the early builders. I'm sure they were
discouraged
by the signal to noise ratio and gave up.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:43 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh
>
> My guess is that
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Is that true or indicated? MPH or Knots? Degrees F or C?
>From: LessDragProd@aol.com
>Of course, there is always the temperature rise due to
>compressibility.
>
>I'm surprised some of the technocrats haven't jumped
>in on this. At 200 mph, it should be about 3 degrees
>at the stagnation point. Or 90% of that in the boundary
>layer.
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
--> RV-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
Thanks for your answer, Paul.
- Alan
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> Time: 09:23:20 PM PST US
> From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Marker Beacon Antennas
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
>
> On my new panel conversion, I added a bent whip for a
> second comm, a boat type marker beacon antenna in my
> RV-4. No change in cruise performance. Nothing
> measurable, anyway. Go to www.mykitlog.com/pbesing
> and you can see the antenna placements.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> --- dick martin <martin@gbonline.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin"
>> <martin@gbonline.com>
>>
>> The marker beacon antenna works very well in the
>> fiberglass wingtip of my
>> RV8.
>> Dick Martin
>> RV8 N233M
>> the fast one
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:38 PM
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by:
>> alan@reichertech.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any meaningful info on the drag
>> due to the different
>> > marker beacon antenna types (boat vs. sled)?
>> >
>> > - Alan
>> > RV-8 Perpetual Tail Kit
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| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/browse_thread/thread/688f409b9c514e53/25ddcbef1957bb52#25ddcbef1957bb52');
I know the guy this was directed at on a plastic airplane list. He has
fought city hall a couple time on citations and won each time. This time it
looks like the city has swung for the fence. If you look closely the first
draft it says you can't build in airplane in your unenclosed garage but the
final one on the mayor's desk leaves out unenclosed and says you can't build
in your garage.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Parking Brake Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Hi Gary,
How's the build going? I bought a parking brake unit but
decided to not use it. There seems to be no consensus on where. I think
Dan Checkoways RV7 project on his web site shows how he did it. It
required a small bracket that is riveted to the fire wall. It provided
space to bolt it and provide room for the actuator to function..
I'm doing the FWF on my "9". I bought Vettermans mufflers
instead of straight pipes. Take a look at my web site on my progress.
http://websites.expercraft.com/jimn . I made a rig to move my airplane
to the airport using the Chinese trailer. The trailer is 4' x 8' and
rated at 1000#. Since I'll not have the wings or tail feathers on, it
should take it OK. I'll also use it to get out of Dodge if a hurricane
comes our way and its not flying yet, I'm not going to let it get
scrunched. I got a place in Tenn. that I can put it if I have to. Just
trying to be prepared. It would be a slow trip but at least my labor
would be covered.
Jim Nelson
RV9-A FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Parking Brake Location |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
Put it right where the current brake bracket is mounted. In this way, your brake
lines will be the same as the drawings show and won't require any new, or more
lines. Remove the bracket, and install one of your own design. It won't take
you long to make a new bracket.
Jekyll
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
> I know the guy this was directed at on a plastic airplane list. He
> has fought city hall a couple time on citations and won each time.
> This time it looks like the city has swung for the fence. If you look
> closely the first draft it says you can't build in airplane in your
> unenclosed garage but the final one on the mayor's desk leaves out
> unenclosed and says you can't build in your garage.
Read it closely again.
/ (a) Flying craft and airboats shall not be parked or stored, other
than in completely enclosed buildings, on residentially-zoned property,
including residential PUD districts and properties with a residential
component in a mixed-use PUD district. Airboats may however, be parked
or stored in the water adjacent to, on docking facilities of, or in a
yard fronting a navigable waterbody of, a residential PUD district and
a property in the residential portion of a mixed-use PUD district.
(b) Repairing, testing, operation, constructing, modifying or
altering
flying craft and airboats shall be prohibited in all residential
districts, including residential PUD districts and properties with a
residential component in a mixed-use PUD district. /
The way I read it...if you store your aircraft or airboat in a
residential area it must be covered...but ANY airplane or airboat
construction/maintenance would be illegal in residential areas. So much
for liberty.
do not archive
Jamie D. Painter
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I wrote this on the rv7 list, but it's not an airplane until the FAA says it is.
Until then it's just a pile of metal.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I think the part about constructing flying craft would cover building
an airplane.
I have to wonder about the original problem. Did the person in
question work on his airplane in a fashion that could be considered
annoying to his neighbors? This would include obnoxious noises or
odors, wafting paint spray, loud boom box, etc? If the guy were
building in an "unenclosed garage", I can see some possible reasons
for the neighbor to raise an uproar.
You have to ask yourself how the neighbor knew he was building an
airplane and why she would care. You also have to wonder why the
city council would put this much effort into making him stop. And
you have to wonder what kind of city it is -- or what kind of person
the builder is -- that he can't just go to the city council and say,
"What's the big deal?"
It would be interesting to see if the city can actually enforce a
restriction like this, but probably expensive to defend.
-Joe
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On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Jamie Painter wrote:
>
>> I know the guy this was directed at on a plastic airplane list.
>> He has fought city hall a couple time on citations and won each
>> time. This time it looks like the city has swung for the fence.
>> If you look closely the first draft it says you can't build in
>> airplane in your unenclosed garage but the final one on the
>> mayor's desk leaves out unenclosed and says you can't build in
>> your garage.
> Read it closely again.
>
> (a) Flying craft and airboats shall not be parked or
> stored, other
> than in completely enclosed buildings, on residentially-zoned
> property,
> including residential PUD districts and properties with a residential
> component in a mixed-use PUD district. Airboats may however, be
> parked
> or stored in the water adjacent to, on docking facilities of, or in a
> yard fronting a navigable waterbody of, a residential PUD district and
> a property in the residential portion of a mixed-use PUD district.
>
> (b) Repairing, testing, operation, constructing, modifying
> or altering
> flying craft and airboats shall be prohibited in all residential
> districts, including residential PUD districts and properties with a
> residential component in a mixed-use PUD district.
>
> The way I read it...if you store your aircraft or airboat in a
> residential area it must be covered...but ANY airplane or airboat
> construction/maintenance would be illegal in residential areas. So
> much for liberty.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jamie D. Painter
> http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Pardue <n5lp@warpdriveonline.com>
It also appears to say that you can not park your glider trailer,
with glider inside, anywhere in residential areas. Not even for five
minutes, it would appear.
Guess there are advantages to living in the "backwoods."
On Jul 18, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Jamie Painter wrote:
>
>> I know the guy this was directed at on a plastic airplane list.
>> He has fought city hall a couple time on citations and won each
>> time. This time it looks like the city has swung for the fence.
>> If you look closely the first draft it says you can't build in
>> airplane in your unenclosed garage but the final one on the
>> mayor's desk leaves out unenclosed and says you can't build in
>> your garage.
> Read it closely again.
>
> (a) Flying craft and airboats shall not be parked or
> stored, other
> than in completely enclosed buildings, on residentially-zoned
> property,
> including residential PUD districts and properties with a residential
> component in a mixed-use PUD district. Airboats may however, be
> parked
> or stored in the water adjacent to, on docking facilities of, or in a
> yard fronting a navigable waterbody of, a residential PUD district and
> a property in the residential portion of a mixed-use PUD district.
>
do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I was thinking the same thing about upsetting the neighbor thing. Got to get a
hoot of this though. If the the guy wants to push it they really can't do anything.
Like I said it's not an airplane until the FAA says so. Then if they
change it to read that you can't build or modify anything on your premise, than
you can't build any car ports or anything of the likeing, even fix your dish
washer. It is amazing how someone that is called a mayor can think he can be
a hitler. Just my thoughts.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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I am preparing an emergency tool kit to be carried on trips and seeking ideas on
the most efficient tools (and spares) to stow on board. Naturally, I want the
kit to be light yet as comprehensive as possible. While no emergency tool kit
can cover every possible contingency, what do seasoned overnight X-country
RV'ers among us find to be especially useful for common field repairs? For instance,
rather than carrying a common pair of pliers as is supplied with my Axle
Jack, I prefer to tote a small pair of vice grips as this tool seems to offer
more utility for roughly the same amount of weight penalty. Ideas?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 153 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
So that's how they think they can do things on the bottom right coast?
This kind of BS ain't happenin' here in Wild-West-Country without
someone "accidentally" getting shot right in the beginning, as we wanna
keep things friendly and under control here .....
do not archive / but do fight this BS !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: kitfoxmike
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I was thinking the same thing about upsetting the neighbor thing. Got
to get a hoot of this though. If the the guy wants to push it they
really can't do anything. Like I said it's not an airplane until the FAA
says so. Then if they change it to read that you can't build or modify
anything on your premise, than you can't build any car ports or anything
of the likeing, even fix your dish washer. It is amazing how someone
that is called a mayor can think he can be a hitler. Just my thoughts.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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7/17/2006
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Sounds like it's time to get EAA and AOPA involved.
Dave
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Joseph Larson wrote:
> I think the part about constructing flying craft would cover building
> an airplane.
>
> I have to wonder about the original problem. Did the person in
> question work on his airplane in a fashion that could be considered
> annoying to his neighbors? This would include obnoxious noises or
> odors, wafting paint spray, loud boom box, etc? If the guy were
> building in an "unenclosed garage", I can see some possible reasons
> for the neighbor to raise an uproar.
>
> You have to ask yourself how the neighbor knew he was building an
> airplane and why she would care. You also have to wonder why the city
> council would put this much effort into making him stop. And you have
> to wonder what kind of city it is -- or what kind of person the
> builder is -- that he can't just go to the city council and say,
> "What's the big deal?"
>
> It would be interesting to see if the city can actually enforce a
> restriction like this, but probably expensive to defend.
>
> -Joe
>
> do not archive
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Jamie Painter wrote:
>
>>
>>> I know the guy this was directed at on a plastic airplane list. He
>>> has fought city hall a couple time on citations and won each time.
>>> This time it looks like the city has swung for the fence. If you
>>> look closely the first draft it says you can't build in airplane in
>>> your unenclosed garage but the final one on the mayor's desk leaves
>>> out unenclosed and says you can't build in your garage.
>>
>> Read it closely again.
>>
>> (a) Flying craft and airboats shall not be parked or stored,
>> other
>> than in completely enclosed buildings, on residentially-zoned property,
>> including residential PUD districts and properties with a residential
>> component in a mixed-use PUD district. Airboats may however, be parked
>> or stored in the water adjacent to, on docking facilities of, or in a
>> yard fronting a navigable waterbody of, a residential PUD district and
>> a property in the residential portion of a mixed-use PUD district.
>>
>> (b) Repairing, testing, operation, constructing, modifying or
>> altering
>> flying craft and airboats shall be prohibited in all residential
>> districts, including residential PUD districts and properties with a
>> residential component in a mixed-use PUD district.
>>
>> The way I read it...if you store your aircraft or airboat in a
>> residential area it must be covered...but ANY airplane or airboat
>> construction/maintenance would be illegal in residential areas. So
>> much for liberty.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Jamie D. Painter
>> http://rv.jpainter.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> It also appears to say that you can not park your glider trailer, with
> glider inside, anywhere in residential areas. Not even for five
> minutes, it would appear.
>
> Guess there are advantages to living in the "backwoods."
Actually, the city in question is also the county, so even
those with acreage will not be allowed to build an RV in
their garage or workshop.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy fired everybody
up first.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| Subject: | Re: X-C Tool Kit |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Note that XC can be the airport 45 minutes away. So consider if a flat there
is worth carrying things or will you want someone to drive there to get you.
Main tire and tube
Nose tire and tube
Appropriate tools to get to main and nose tires to replace tube
Extra valve stem cores and long removal tool (from NAPA)
Extra gas cap
Assortment of screws, washers, etc
Appropriate tools to remove cowl and typical nuts/bolts
Duct tape
Tube repair kit
Tube inflation device (electric or manual)
There is more but this is a start.
Some have laughed at my carriage of these items on even local flights yet I
have
helped others on two or three occasions.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
We should hear both sides of the story - but we should NOT allow our governments
to treat us like this!
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
Hi there,
Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I borrow a torque
wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to wait. Now the problem! I have the
wiring in my gear towers as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft
bolt (NAS 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know. Any
ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange combinations that
involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
Thanks,
John
#80002
PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger than yours", I'm
not listening. Ha, ha
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: Static Ports |
You obviously have not talked to ALL those who tried to use, didn't like
the looks of, had to change, repair, re-attach and/or modify the
'cheapo" way.
"We never had a problem", ya'll must have a mouse in your pocket.
I haven't keep track over the years how many have looked over our set up
at fly-ins, airshow, OSH etc & then asked for a parts list & how to
install instructions.
It's all in what you want in a finished product, that's why it's called
an "experimental" aircraft. To borrow from a Burger King slogan "You
build it your way". KABONG 8*) HRII Do Not Archive
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From: Chris , Susie Darcy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
There are thousands of RVs with Vans static kits. We never had a
problem.
Chris
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From: Michael Schipper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I
did.
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Kitfoxmike,
It doesn't matter since they are not restricting him, they are wanting to
restrict everybody. I would suggest someone has more history than a sing
le
incident. This can't be allowed to happen.
Tim
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--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy fired
everybody up first.
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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--> RV-List message posted by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_MS?= <michele.delsol@microsigma.fr>
Might be overkill but I've been considering adding a spare starter and
starter relay (I'll have a Skytech). As for the main contactor, I am
planning on having a contactor override just in case the main contactor
fails. Engine is a TMX-IO360 - I don't fancy hand proping it.
Michele
RV8 - Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: mardi 18 juillet 2006 19:27
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Note that XC can be the airport 45 minutes away. So consider if a flat
there
is worth carrying things or will you want someone to drive there to get you.
Main tire and tube
Nose tire and tube
Appropriate tools to get to main and nose tires to replace tube
Extra valve stem cores and long removal tool (from NAPA)
Extra gas cap
Assortment of screws, washers, etc
Appropriate tools to remove cowl and typical nuts/bolts
Duct tape
Tube repair kit
Tube inflation device (electric or manual)
There is more but this is a start.
Some have laughed at my carriage of these items on even local flights yet I
have
helped others on two or three occasions.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
It would be reasonable for a city to limit what is done in semi-
public (visible from the street) places. My city, for instance,
requires people to do things like cut their grass and keep their
garbage cans out of sight (except as required for pickup). It would
be reasonable for the city to prevent folks from running a car repair
business (or any business that generates traffic) in a residential
area. It would also be reasonable to limit any construction-like
activities in a residential area when those activities can produce an
eyesore or violate some sort of noise restrictions.
Consider how you would like to live next door to a guy who does auto
body work until a couple hours past your bedtime, for instance. Even
if it's not for a living -- he builds hot rods or something, and he's
always running a sand blaster late. Or whatever hot rod guys do. Or
if the guy keeps a couple of crappy junkers parked in his front yard.
But... if it's in your basement or a contained garage with suitable
noise insulation if required, you don't care. And the city shouldn't
care.
I think there's more going on here than we know about. I suspect the
city has been having a variety of problems. City council may be
receiving all sorts of complaints all over the city.
Maybe this builder's carport is just outside the complaining woman's
bedroom window, and he's using caustic materials, which the wind
happily wafts right into her house. I wouldn't want to be living
next to that -- an activity that the guy wears a respirator for, but
his noxious gases are floating into my house. That would annoy me to
no end, actually, and I'd find a way to stop it.
Or maybe it's not this guy doing it, but some of the other guys in
town. We just don't know.
If we don't want to see this kind of rule making all over, it's to
our benefit to make sure that our hobby doesn't negatively impact
anyone else.
-Joe
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Kitfoxmike,
>
> It doesn't matter since they are not restricting him, they are
> wanting to restrict everybody. I would suggest someone has more
> history than a single incident. This can't be allowed to happen.
>
> Tim
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: kitfoxmike
> Date: 07/18/06 10:31:26
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
> Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy
> fired everybody up first.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48282#48282
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--> RV-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
Dan Checkoway posted a real reasonable tool kit to carry on his website. It
might be a good place to start. I've had good luck getting help from pilots
on the field when I've had problems, but you can't count on it...
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--> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I maintain the tool kit for a formation group I fly with. Our kit is pretty
comprehensive (and heavy), but here are the items I've used most often this
year, roughly in order.
1. safety wire
2. #2 phillips screwdriver (a good multi-bit driver would be fine)
3. wrench sizes common for our airplanes (Navions) -- 3/8, 7/16, 1/2, & 9/6
4. needle-nose pliers; I also use safety wire pliers a lot (see item 1)
5. telescoping magnet (for retrieving dropped parts)
6. inspection mirror
7. right-angle ratcheting screwdriver (MAC tools -- incredibly useful)
8. bits for item 7 (can be combined with item 2)
9. multi-meter and cables
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Howdy,
Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench or
whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
-
Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Porter [mailto:december29@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter"
> <december29@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi there,
> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> #80002
>
> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
I changed from 0.016 to 0.025 on the elevators 8 years ago after pushing my
airplane into a pole. I found NO weight difference. Yes the airplane
weighted 8 pounds more after painting (weighed on calibrated scales) and the
elevators but I do not know how much of the 8 pounds was just to the
elevators. I assumed it was all paint.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,894 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Howdy,
Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
Larry,
You know that will work! Didn't even think about it. I will let you know
how it worked.
Thanks,
John
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:16 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench
> or
> whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
> from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Porter [mailto:december29@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
>>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter"
>> <december29@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Hi there,
>> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
>> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
>> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
>> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
>> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
>> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
>> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> #80002
>>
>> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
>> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness. Since
aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are adding
0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the tail surface
area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft. (6 lbs / 0.0955
lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly seems to be in the ball
park.
Dick Tasker
Ed Holyoke wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
>a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
>night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
>build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
>place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
>switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
>that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
>the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
>includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
>lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
kitfoxmike wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
>
>Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy fired everybody
up first.
>
>
Whatever he did, it does not justify the government taking away the
rights of law abiding citizens.
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| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Doing a quick square measurement of my -9 rudder and elevators ( not taking
in consideration the Rudder taper or counter weight arms) I come up with
6678 sq inches. (Rudder 53" X 27" X 2 surfaces = 2862 sq. in., Elevators
17" X 56" X 4 surfaces = 3808 sq. in. total 6678 sq. in. If you throw in
another 322 sq. in. for good measure and rounding off the total to 7000 sq.
in., and using .0955 lbs/cu. in. you would come up with 2.674 lb. ( 2.674
/ 0.0955 lbs/cu. in./0.004" = 7000 sq. in. or 48.61 sq. ft. ) Of course
the increase in rivet length might bring the weight up slightly. YMMV
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
--> RV-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness. Since
aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are adding
0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the tail surface
area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft. (6 lbs / 0.0955
lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly seems to be in the ball
park.
Dick Tasker
Ed Holyoke wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
>a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
>night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
>build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
>place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
>switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
>that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
>the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
>includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
>lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 21:36:56 2006-07-18 "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net> wrote:
> Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness.
> Since aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are
> adding 0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the
> tail surface area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft.
> (6 lbs / 0.0955 lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly
> seems to be in the ball park.
109 square feet for the elevator and rudder sounds quite high to me.
You've got about 10' of span, times about 1' of chord (average) times two
surfaces = 20 square feet of area for both sides of the elevator. Half
again for the rudder would be about 30 square feet total. So using your
numbers above, you should be looking at something under 2 lb.
-Rob
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| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 22:37:04 2006-07-18 "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Of course the increase in rivet
> length might bring the weight up slightly. YMMV
I just about said that too... But you included the increase as a uniform
increase across all the surfaces, so the increase in rivet length is
already included (if you assume the density of the rivets is comparable to
the density of the skins, which is reasonable in this case).
-Rob
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