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1. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Dana Overall)
2. 05:25 AM - What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. (N395V)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC (Ron Lee)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (kitfoxmike)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: Landing Gear Bolts (Steve Struyk)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Delamarter, Jon)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
8. 09:54 AM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (James Clark)
9. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (wgill10@comcast.net)
10. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Sportypilot)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Mickey Coggins)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: Landing Gear Bolts (Mickey Coggins)
13. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Rhonda Bewley)
14. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Ken Howell)
15. 12:56 PM - Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot (Jim Ellis)
16. 12:57 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Jim Pleasants)
17. 01:31 PM - RV-10 for sale (Doug Weiler)
18. 02:03 PM - Fw: Government Advocacy Homebuilt Ban Jacksonville, Fl. (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
19. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to (Ron Lee)
20. 03:40 PM - Garmin 496 (Terry Watson)
21. 04:20 PM - Re: Garmin 496 (Brian Kraut)
22. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (noel anderson)
23. 05:49 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (Eric Ekberg)
24. 06:29 PM - Re: RV-10 for sale (Ron Lee)
25. 06:46 PM - Re: non-swiveling tail wheel (Curt Reimer)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Mannan J. Thomason)
27. 07:24 PM - Re: Landing Gear Bolts (low pass)
28. 07:42 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Brian Kraut)
29. 07:44 PM - Re: Garmin 496 (Larry Bowen)
30. 08:48 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
31. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida (Chris W)
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
The guy involved in the action has a neighbor from h$ll. The city has a log
of complaints from her that is nearly daily on this guy. He is not working
with cautic materials, making loud noises or storing junk/trash in the front
yard. He has, on occasion, had two airplanes...one in an enclosed garage,
at his house. He fought city hall on there terms and won every time. On
one occasion he was moving his airplane via trailer and got complained on
because the airplane was out of his backyard on the trailer in his driveway
awaiting his exit from his front door to drive to the airport. He in
essense pissed the city off by beating them at there own game. Case in
point, the city charged him with violating a previous order by working on an
airplane.......he counter with, it's not an airplane until it has an N
number..........won in court after spending a couple thousand. One only
needs to look at the final draft.........you will not be able to build your
RV in your enclosed garage in this county.
BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
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| Subject: | What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Given the space constraints in the planes we fly a comprehensive set of tools/parts
is prohibitive. I havve seen many "lists of tools and parts but never a comprehensive
list of problems encountered while travelling which seems to me would
be a good guide for building a tool/parts kit.
In the last 10 years I have had to replace a boost pump and solenoid along with
a few screws.
Most of the time I obtained unsolicited help from local airport guys and the balance
of my tools came from a local auto supply and hardware store. The newly
purchased tools I left with the airport. An F1 has absolutely no baggage space
to spare.
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Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48504#48504
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| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Flat tire (needed tube replacement)
Lost fuel cap (failure to verify line boy latching of cap)
Note: these are other pilot cases.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
I think if this guy is truely in need the aircaft community should ban together
and get both EAA and AOPA involved. Spreading the problem throughout the country
with the news media sounds appropriate as well. Letters to our representatives
might be in order as well. sounds to me like this is total BS.
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kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48522#48522
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com>
I had the same problem on my 8. I ended up grinding off one side of a cheap
socket so it will fit over the forward nuts in the tower. For the aft nuts I
fabricated a spacer form .250 stock that will just fit between the weldment
and the flat of the nut keeping it from turning. Then It's torqued form
below. I tried various screwdrivers and tools to jam the nut against the
weldment but the gap was too big for any tools I tried, and not big enough
for a socket to fit. I know, not ideal to torque from the bottom, but the
only option I had. The "trick" with the spacer is getting it into position
(and out) by brail. My two cents worth.
Steve Struyk
RV-8 50 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:16 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench
> or
> whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
> from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Porter [mailto:december29@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Porter"
>> <december29@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Hi there,
>> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
>> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
>> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
>> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
>> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
>> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
>> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> #80002
>>
>> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
>> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning to
the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I know
it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
Gentlemen:
Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention that
the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft Association
(www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the scope
and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights were
provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have heard
of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport in
the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped at
our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, Ohio
named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome would
have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL.
The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type on
official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are able
to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you are
currently trying to regulate out of existence.
Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or two
and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would like
to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As a
Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing and
rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one of
the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand the
nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants, you
will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
Sincerely,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
Here is their contact info.
Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1390
Corrigan@coj.net <mailto:corrigan@coj.net>
Daniel J. Davis,
Vice President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1380
DDavis@coj.net <mailto:DDavis@coj.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Outstanding Jon. I wish I had your skills.
Doug Preston
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
EXCELLENT!
Well put, non-abrasive and thus most effective in getting the message
across.
I think we could all benefit from copying with your permission, this letter
and use it as the basis for such letters in the future if needed in our
localities.
Is such permitted?
James
... from Florida
On 7/19/06, Delamarter, Jon <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <
> JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
>
> I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning t
o
> the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I kno
w
> it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
> Gentlemen:
> Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention
> that
> the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
> Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
> limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
> code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
> threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
> the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft
> Association
> (www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the
> scope
> and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
> nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
> largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
> fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
> world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
> wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights
> were
> provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
> expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have
> heard
> of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
> Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
> together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
> presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport
> in
> the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
> veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped a
t
> our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
> Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
> Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
> civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
> around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
> homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
> congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
> very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton,
> Ohio
> named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome
> would
> have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL
.
> The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type o
n
> official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are abl
e
> to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you
> are
> currently trying to regulate out of existence.
> Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
> peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
> your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or tw
o
> and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
> impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would lik
e
> to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As
> a
> Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing an
d
> rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one o
f
> the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
> folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
> all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand
> the
> nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants,
> you
> will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
> Sincerely,
> Jon A. Delamarter
> Thunderbolt Manager
> Lycoming Engines
>
>
> I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
> Here is their contact info.
>
> Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
> President
> Jacksonville City Council
> 117 West Duval St., Suite 425
> Jacksonville, FL 32202
> (904) 630-1390
> Corrigan@coj.net <mailto:corrigan@coj.net>
> Daniel J. Davis,
> Vice President
> Jacksonville City Council
> 117 West Duval St., Suite 425
> Jacksonville, FL 32202
> (904) 630-1380
> DDavis@coj.net <mailto:DDavis@coj.net>
>
> NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic
> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. =A7=A7 2510-2521, is confidential
and
> may
> be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or
> copying
> of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
> that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
What county? Do they have an email account? Maybe we could share our thoughts with
them about their decision!
Bill
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
>
> The guy involved in the action has a neighbor from h$ll. The city has a log
> of complaints from her that is nearly daily on this guy. He is not working
> with cautic materials, making loud noises or storing junk/trash in the front
> yard. He has, on occasion, had two airplanes...one in an enclosed garage,
> at his house. He fought city hall on there terms and won every time. On
> one occasion he was moving his airplane via trailer and got complained on
> because the airplane was out of his backyard on the trailer in his driveway
> awaiting his exit from his front door to drive to the airport. He in
> essense pissed the city off by beating them at there own game. Case in
> point, the city charged him with violating a previous order by working on an
> airplane.......he counter with, it's not an airplane until it has an N
> number..........won in court after spending a couple thousand. One only
> needs to look at the final draft.........you will not be able to build your
> RV in your enclosed garage in this county.
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
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<DIV>What county? Do they have an email account? Maybe we could share our thoughts
with them about their decision!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Dana Overall"
<bo124rs@hotmail.com> <BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by:
"Dana Overall" <BO124RS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>> <BR>> The guy involved in the
action has a neighbor from h$ll. The city has a log <BR>> of complaints from
her that is nearly daily on this guy. He is not working <BR>> with cautic
materials, making loud noises or storing junk/trash in the front <BR>> yard.
He has, on occasion, had two airplanes...one in an enclosed garage, <BR>>
at his house. He fought city hall on there terms and won every time. On <BR>>
one occasion he was moving his airplane via trailer and got complained on
<BR>> because the airplane was out of his backyard on the trailer in his driveway
<BR>> awaiting his exit from his front door to drive to the airport.
He in <BR>> essense pissed the city off by beati
ng the
tures
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the 1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> I think if this guy is truely in need the aircaft community should
> ban together and get both EAA and AOPA involved.
I agree. He has a website - not much up yet.
http://www.jaxairplane.com/
A wise fellow once said:
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
I'm not sure where I got the idea, probably here.
You can buy metal locking nuts at ACS that go on
the RV8 gear legs and have much smaller heads,
which allow you to easily get a socket on.
I thought I had some pics on my website, but I
can't find them.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Here is part of an email from Dan Horton. This information was emailed
out to the Pitts Model 12 group.
"First call received was from Councilman Ray's executive assistant. We
had a nice conversation. As suspected, the ordinance is the result of a
protracted problem with a single individual, a Mr. Kraut of Mayapple Rd
in Jacksonville. I did not debate the wisdom of a sweeping ordinance to
address a single idiot. My goal was to gather information and get a
handle on the feelings behind the actions. My impression is that Mr.
Kraut has handed aircraft builders an uphill battle.
Second call was mine, to Randy Hansen at EAA HQ. I've passed along all I
know about the problem. Randy was already aware of the issue. A member
of EAA's Legal Advisory Council has volunteered to take up the matter
with the City Attorney, and will report, in person, at Oshkosh next
week. Any action taken will be after the Convention."
I agree with Dan that we should, at this point, rely on our member
organizations to act on our behalf. Quick wit and tongue might do
nothing but exacerbate the situation.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa,OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sportypilot
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:55 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the
1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
I wouldn't rely entirely on our member organizations to do the job for us,
although I hope they help in whatever way they can. Respectful individual
comments can certainly do no harm, and just might do a whole lot of good. I
would encourage every homebuilder to submit a comment to Corrigan@coj.net.
The next town could be yours.
Following is a copy of my email submitted to Mr. Corrigan, President of the
Jacksonville City Council...
Dear Sir,
The recent amendment 656.420 to the Jacksonville zoning code infringes upon
and severely restricts the rights of your citizens, many of whom are
aircraft homebuilders. This is the equivalent of forbidding the restoration
of a vintage automobile or any other object or conveyance on personal
property. Many activities of this nature can be done without impinging on
anyone else's rights or causing any nuisance to others. It is apparent that
this amendment was poorly thought out with regard to the consequences it has
on the rights of your citizens (and future citizens). I would appeal to you
to strike this ill-conceived amendment from your zoning code and replace it
with one that does not deny fundamental AMERICAN LIBERTY.
Respectfully,
Kenneth Howell
Glenwood Maryland
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:00 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@BPAENGINES.com>
Here is part of an email from Dan Horton. This information was emailed
out to the Pitts Model 12 group.
"First call received was from Councilman Ray's executive assistant. We
had a nice conversation. As suspected, the ordinance is the result of a
protracted problem with a single individual, a Mr. Kraut of Mayapple Rd
in Jacksonville. I did not debate the wisdom of a sweeping ordinance to
address a single idiot. My goal was to gather information and get a
handle on the feelings behind the actions. My impression is that Mr.
Kraut has handed aircraft builders an uphill battle.
Second call was mine, to Randy Hansen at EAA HQ. I've passed along all I
know about the problem. Randy was already aware of the issue. A member
of EAA's Legal Advisory Council has volunteered to take up the matter
with the City Attorney, and will report, in person, at Oshkosh next
week. Any action taken will be after the Convention."
I agree with Dan that we should, at this point, rely on our member
organizations to act on our behalf. Quick wit and tongue might do
nothing but exacerbate the situation.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa,OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sportypilot
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:55 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the
1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Ellis" <JEllis9847@aol.com>
For those of you who may be following this thread (maybe three people in the Western
Hemisphere) let me update what I have learned.
In a phone conversation today with Larry, BMA Technican, he confirmed that the
Serial Port B sends out no data when it is selected/activated. He tried several
different units with the same result. He thinks it might be a software problem.
This confirms my own observation. When I connected my laptop PC to the G3 Lite
serial output cable there was no data stream coming from the G3, therefore there
was nothing for the TruTrak autopilot to lock on to.
Because all the BMA folks are off to Oshkosh they said they will work on a fix
when they return.
I feel good that we may be making some progress.
Jim Ellis
RV9-A, Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48633#48633
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
FWIW, Unison has a major facility in Jacksonville, and I have seen
articles published that indicate that the City government is proud to
have them there.
Prehaps, if their customers (and potential customers) would encourage
Unison, they might be willing to reason with the Mayor and Councilmen.
Jim Pleasants
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
Fellow Listers:
I am posting this note for a friend who has just completed a most beautiful
RV-10. I have flown this aircraft about 20 hours and is REALLY nice.
Here is the link for more information:
http://www.mnwing.org/EldonRV10/index.html
Thanks
Doug Weiler
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| Subject: | Fw: Government Advocacy Homebuilt Ban Jacksonville, Fl. |
List, This is the EAA response on the Jacksonville Homebuilt Ban.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:31 PM
Tom, EAA is aware of this issue and will be briefed on it during
AirVenture, but nothing will be done until all the facts are in and
AirVenture is completed.
Randy
Randy Hansen
EAA Government Relations Director
888-322-4636, extension 6522
Mark your 2006 calendar for the World's Greatest Aviation Celebration
... EAA AirVenture Oshkosh ... Monday, July 24th through Sunday, July
30th. http://www.airventure.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin [mailto:tcervin@valkyrie.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:47 AM
To: EAA Government Programs
Subject: Government Advocacy Homebuilt Ban Jacksonville, Fl.
The Jacksonville, Fl. City & County Council has banned Home Building
any place including inside your home! The EEA needs to get very
aggressive on stopping this intrusion into our hobby. If this ban on
Home Building is allowed to stand Ohio will be next!
Thomas Ervin
# 0602653
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| Subject: | Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>In a phone conversation today with Larry, BMA Technican, he confirmed
>that the Serial Port B sends out no data when it is selected/activated. He
>tried several different units with the same result. He thinks it might be
>a software problem.
>
>This confirms my own observation. When I connected my laptop PC to the G3
>Lite serial output cable there was no data stream coming from the G3,
>therefore there was nothing for the TruTrak autopilot to lock on to.
You probably could have verified this by hooking a voltmeter
to the line that should have transmitted the data (ground as
appropriate). This was how I verified that I had the right wire
out of my Garmin GNS 430 before hooking it to my autopilot.
Some of us do not have laptops (or cell phones, or DSL). :)
Ron Lee
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I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
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I suspected that we would see something like this last month wen the price
came down on the 396. Of course I just bought a 396 about 3 months ago.
Arrrgh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 496
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
Hi Guys & Gals. I thourght the USA was the Land of the Free??? It's must be
the same every place, don't piss off City Hall, they will smack you in the
mouth every time. Hope you people can resolve this problem, those
bureaucrats need to remember who pays thier wages!!!. It seems that the Seat
Polihsers done your way are the same as ours, more Ego than ability!!
Safe Flying & Happy Landings
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:44 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> The guy involved in the action has a neighbor from h$ll. The city has a
> log of complaints from her that is nearly daily on this guy. He is not
> working with cautic materials, making loud noises or storing junk/trash in
> the front yard. He has, on occasion, had two airplanes...one in an
> enclosed garage, at his house. He fought city hall on there terms and won
> every time. On one occasion he was moving his airplane via trailer and
> got complained on because the airplane was out of his backyard on the
> trailer in his driveway awaiting his exit from his front door to drive to
> the airport. He in essense pissed the city off by beating them at there
> own game. Case in point, the city charged him with violating a previous
> order by working on an airplane.......he counter with, it's not an
> airplane until it has an N number..........won in court after spending a
> couple thousand. One only needs to look at the final draft.........you
> will not be able to build your RV in your enclosed garage in this county.
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
That sure is a beautiful plane. Love the paint! I'm looking forward to
seeing it in person
Eric - Do not archive
On 7/19/06, Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Weiler <dcw@mnwing.org>
>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> I am posting this note for a friend who has just completed a most
> beautiful
> RV-10. I have flown this aircraft about 20 hours and is REALLY nice.
>
> Here is the link for more information:
>
> http://www.mnwing.org/EldonRV10/index.html
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug Weiler
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 06:43 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:
>That sure is a beautiful plane. Love the paint! I'm looking forward to
>seeing it in person
>
Just shows different tastes. Since this plane was apparently built as
a spec plane it amazed me that the first picture looked somewhat gaudy.
Then you look at the last one and it is a more reasonable beige.
Bad in that there is no blue. Good in that there is no purple.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
To clarify my post, I find the main pivot itself sticks unless I grease
it every 10 hours. I can still move it, but it's very stiff, and when I
remove it to grease it, it's dry as a bone.
The locking key on the other hand has been fine since the first
de-burring repair hundreds of hours ago.
Perhaps my problems come from flying off grass almost exclusively. It's
been pretty wet here the past couple of summers and I thought the water
was washing the grease away. I went though a set of front wheel bearings
(rusted) after only 140 hours my first year. But this summer has been
dry and I still have to grease the tailwheel.
I should give the design it's due: it is an elegant, simple and
lightweight mechanism for what it does and seems to give trouble-free
use for a lot of people.
Curt
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Jon:
In the vernacular of Rush fans: DITTO.
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N161RL
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----- Original Message -----
From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida
Outstanding Jon. I wish I had your skills.
Doug Preston
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Don't forget to retorque after about 50 hours flying time.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48731#48731
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| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Thanks. Very well written.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Delamarter, Jon
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:30 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon"
<JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning to
the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I know
it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
Gentlemen:
Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention that
the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft Association
(www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the scope
and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights were
provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have heard
of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport in
the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped at
our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, Ohio
named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome would
have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL.
The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type on
official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are able
to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you are
currently trying to regulate out of existence.
Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or two
and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would like
to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As a
Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing and
rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one of
the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand the
nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants, you
will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
Sincerely,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
Here is their contact info.
Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1390
Corrigan@coj.net <mailto:corrigan@coj.net>
Daniel J. Davis,
Vice President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1380
DDavis@coj.net <mailto:DDavis@coj.net>
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http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
_____
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>"We should hear both sides of the story..."
Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway
set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint
fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
over 8 years into the project.
It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
county board of supervisors.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
Hanger B-5
Visalia Municipal Airport
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Pete Cowper wrote:
>Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
>I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe . . .
>
You really should read the whole thread before you post. From what has
been posted, your mental picture and reality couldn't be further apart.
do not archive.
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
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