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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (Doug Gray)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? (Tracy Crook)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate ()
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (D.Bristol)
5. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? (Tracy Crook)
6. 10:49 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (Jerry Springer)
7. 10:54 AM - For Sale Video (bertrv6@highstream.net)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: Have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 manual as computer file? (bertrv6@highstream.net)
9. 12:21 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
10. 01:04 PM - Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. (tomvelvick)
11. 04:25 PM - Prop governor mounting studs (Geoff Evans)
12. 06:40 PM - Re: Prop governor mounting studs (Mannan J. Thomason)
13. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans (JOHN STARN)
14. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Charlie England)
15. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Brian Kraut)
16. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans (Tom Gummo)
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement
around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount.
I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV
builders.
Doug
On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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> Folks,
> I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear
> socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have
> experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L.
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> My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear
> direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear
> photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are
> fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped.
>
> Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the
> welder.
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> Thanks,
> Doug Gray
> Sydney, Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? |
During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time:
Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip
flying on low oil pressure.
Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed
spare bolt and fixed it there.
No Mag failures to report :-))))
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
Rich is right these are just FORECAST.
Why do you need a forcast when you are flying, you
have actually winds, use those.
Cheers George M, RV-4/RV-7
>From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
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>I know this is going to be like the "primer war".
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>Winds aloft forecast based on observations taken on the 20th at
>8:00pm EDT (0000Z). Forecast valid on the 21st at 8:00am
>EDT (1200Z), for use from 5:00am EDT (0900Z) to 2:00pm
>EDT (1800Z). Temperatures are negative above 24,000 feet.
>
>In the last issue of IFR magazine they discussed this. Note the
>forecast is only valid at 1200Z. The rest is a WAG.
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>I do not think WX Weather makes its own independent forecast.
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
Maybe it's because no one wants to admit that they don't know what
you're talking about. My kit was a '96 and I've never heard of this
problem, of course with my memory, that doesn't mean much! But I
couldn't find any mention of it in the archives or on Van's website. I
also looked at an index of early 90's RVators and found nothing, so I
wouldn't know just what to take a picture of.
Maybe you could give us a little more information, like the year and
some reference to information on the problem?
Dave B. -6 So Cal
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Doug Gray wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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>Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement
>around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount.
>
>I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV
>builders.
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>Doug
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>On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote:
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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>>Folks,
>>I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear
>>socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have
>>experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L.
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>>My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear
>>direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear
>>photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are
>>fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped.
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>>Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the
>>welder.
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>>Thanks,
>>Doug Gray
>>Sydney, Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? |
Opps, forgot the temporary exhaust system that fell apart in McKenny TX.
Fixed with borrowed safety wire. I carry a roll of it when traveling
now.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook<mailto:lors01@msn.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road?
During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time:
Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip
flying on low oil pressure.
Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed
spare bolt and fixed it there.
No Mag failures to report :-))))
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
My 1989 mount does ot have any reenforcement and I have not heard of a
problem with -6 mounts cracking but like Dave my memory may have
gone south with everything else. :-)
Jerry
D.Bristol wrote:
> Maybe it's because no one wants to admit that they don't know what
> you're talking about. My kit was a '96 and I've never heard of this
> problem, of course with my memory, that doesn't mean much! But I
> couldn't find any mention of it in the archives or on Van's website. I
> also looked at an index of early 90's RVators and found nothing, so I
> wouldn't know just what to take a picture of.
> Maybe you could give us a little more information, like the year and
> some reference to information on the problem?
>
> Dave B. -6 So Cal
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> do not archive
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> Doug Gray wrote:
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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>>Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement
>>around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount.
>>
>>I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV
>>builders.
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>>Doug
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>>On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote:
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>>>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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>>>Folks,
>>>I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear
>>>socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have
>>>experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L.
>>>
>>>My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear
>>>direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear
>>>photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are
>>>fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped.
>>>
>>>Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the
>>>welder.
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>>>Thanks,
>>>Doug Gray
>>>Sydney, Australia
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--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Have the famous "Been there Done That: Video Tapes, by Rich Hansen,
builder of the award winning Rv6a.
There are four vhs tapes. With excellent information and tips, when
installing the engine to the Rv6a. Oil cooler. Baffles etc...
Each tape has its own typed,list of topics, for easy, review..
Contact me off list for discounted price.
Bert
rv6a
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 manual as computer file? |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting DAVID REEL <dreel@cox.net>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
>
> I'd like to make up a small pilot's manual for the EIS 4000. Does anyone
> have the full manual in electronic form they could email to me at
> dreel@cox.net? Then I wouldn't have to type in all those tables. I've also
> asked Grand Rapids but no response to my email yet.
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
> Dave: Just curious, when you bought the unit, you get everything...
or did you buy from some one, what did he do with the Installation Manual
etc?
I am trying to get an answer about checking the mags, but no one knows
the answer... I have myne installed, long ago.
Are you familiar with the unit?
REgard,
Bert
rv6a
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
anything wrong,"
Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
a citywide problem.
I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
police department when I was a Deputy District Attorney or a client
sitting across my desk attempting to sell me on the strength of their
case as I am setting the retainer for the potential lengthy litigation
that I am being assured will be put to rest with only one letter on my
letterhead.
Based on Brian's comment about two prior successful defenses in a true
courtroom against this lady, she may have pulled a fast one by going to
the city council instead of the courts. In California, a person who
files multiple lawsuits without prevailing can be ruled a "vexatious
litigant" by the court, on the court's own motion, after a hearing.
This vexatious litigant must then present any further complaints
(lawsuits) to the presiding judge who reviews the claim to determine
whether it can be filed. There are a few California litigants in
wheelchairs suing multiple small businesses under the ADA handicapped
access rules who have been so labelled over the past year. Perhaps this
possibly shrewd lady was aware of this potential and sought another
jurisdiction with the city council. If she brings the identical claim
in court it can be dismissed under "res judicata" as the same litigated
claim cannot be relitigated after a determination has been issued by
judge or jury. She has now secured a new law from the city. Seems to be
a clever lady on a quest, unfortunately for her poor neighbor Brain.
The suggestion that Brian get other local homebuilders and his neighbors
to support his low neighborhood impact hobby is a good way to present
his individual situation to to city council in hopes of getting a
modification to the ordinance exempting his situation from who knows
what other home hobbies the city is really intending to control (garage
meth labs are popular here near Fresno, California). Seeking a
determination from the city council in a positive manner about what
parts of his aircraft homebuilding were objectionable, to which he can
agree to control or eliminate, may allow him to continue his hobby with
those restrictions. In dealing with government forums or any committee,
present them with an answer rather than just a question and they will
often readily agree with the solution so they can get on to other
business.
The city council might welcome being able to pare Brian out of the city
ordinance just to whiz off the whining neighbor lady who is no doubt a
gadfly thorn-in-their-side. To their possible irritation, she is no
doubt trumpeting her "victory" with the new law that she may only have
been a minor part in creating.
Get the whole story and you are then prepared to work towards a
solution.
Usual caveats - not a Florida lawyer, seek own counsel . . . etc.
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139
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| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "tomvelvick" <tomvelvick@cox.net>
Worse was wood prop came loose and had to land at a ranch about 50 miles from home.
Borrowed another prop and 4" extension and flew it back a couple of days
later.
Bendix starter stripped gears twice so would spin but not turn over prop.
Slick Magneto failed on way to Oshkosh.
Flat tire
Loose ignition lead
tail wheel
Strobe light failure
Broken air box
Help on other planes on the road.
Two alternators failed.
Radio failure
Regards,
Tom Velvick
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49321#49321
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| Subject: | Prop governor mounting studs |
I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting studs for
the prop governor have not been installed.
It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and nuts, but
I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I can't find any references
online.
Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more threads
on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also, what type of sealant
is used on the gasket for the governor?
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8
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| Subject: | Re: Prop governor mounting studs |
Geoff:
Before installing, I would determine which prop govenor you will be
using.. Different govenors require different length studs. They did
you a favor by not installing something you might have to change anyway.
If you determine that the ones your have are correct; I would double
nut the long thread end. The studs are usually an "interference fit"
into the case. That is that they are about .001 in larger than the
threaded holes in the case. I would use " Lock-Tite" compound on them
anyway to prevent any chance of oil seepage. Use a wrench on the outer
nut to screw them into the case. I would not bottom them out in the
case. After they're installed, remove the nuts. It is not necessary to
use any kind of sealant on the gasket, in fact I would recommend that
you don't.
This has been my experience with the ones I have worked on. The usual
caveat----YMMV.
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N1 61RL
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Evans
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop governor mounting studs
I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting
studs for the prop governor have not been installed.
It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and
nuts, but I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I
can't find any references online.
Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more
threads on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also,
what type of sealant is used on the gasket for the governor?
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8
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| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the
hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut
complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a
month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of
day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*)
Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from, but
your neck hurts.
-Stormy
/not a lawyer/
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Pete Cowper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>
>
>
>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>
>>
>anything wrong,"
>
>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>
>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>a citywide problem.
>
>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>
>snipped
>
>
>Pete Cowper
>RV-8 #81139
>
It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
irritating to neighbors.
Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
court and I can't spill all the beans now.
Brian Kraut
www.jaxairplane.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
Solution?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Pete Cowper wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>
>
>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>
>>
>anything wrong,"
>
>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>
>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>a citywide problem.
>
>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>
>snipped
>
>
>Pete Cowper
>RV-8 #81139
>
It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
irritating to neighbors.
Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
There Jack goes bragging again. :-)
don't forget the DNA on this on messages of this type.
Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans
OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the
hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut
complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a
month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of
day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*)
Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from,
but your neck hurts.
-Stormy
/not a lawyer/
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