---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/22/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (Doug Gray) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? (Tracy Crook) 3. 07:23 AM - Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate () 4. 08:45 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (D.Bristol) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? (Tracy Crook) 6. 10:49 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (Jerry Springer) 7. 10:54 AM - For Sale Video (bertrv6@highstream.net) 8. 11:04 AM - Re: Have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 manual as computer file? (bertrv6@highstream.net) 9. 12:21 PM - Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)) 10. 01:04 PM - Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. (tomvelvick) 11. 04:25 PM - Prop governor mounting studs (Geoff Evans) 12. 06:40 PM - Re: Prop governor mounting studs (Mannan J. Thomason) 13. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans (JOHN STARN) 14. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Charlie England) 15. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Brian Kraut) 16. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans (Tom Gummo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:08 AM PST US From: Doug Gray Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount. I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV builders. Doug On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray > > Folks, > I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear > socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have > experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L. > > My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear > direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear > photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are > fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped. > > Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the > welder. > > Thanks, > Doug Gray > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:37 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time: Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip flying on low oil pressure. Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed spare bolt and fixed it there. No Mag failures to report :-)))) Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:44 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate Rich is right these are just FORECAST. Why do you need a forcast when you are flying, you have actually winds, use those. Cheers George M, RV-4/RV-7 >From: Richard Reynolds > >I know this is going to be like the "primer war". > >Winds aloft forecast based on observations taken on the 20th at >8:00pm EDT (0000Z). Forecast valid on the 21st at 8:00am >EDT (1200Z), for use from 5:00am EDT (0900Z) to 2:00pm >EDT (1800Z). Temperatures are negative above 24,000 feet. > >In the last issue of IFR magazine they discussed this. Note the >forecast is only valid at 1200Z. The rest is a WAG. > >I do not think WX Weather makes its own independent forecast. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:16 AM PST US From: "D.Bristol" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount Maybe it's because no one wants to admit that they don't know what you're talking about. My kit was a '96 and I've never heard of this problem, of course with my memory, that doesn't mean much! But I couldn't find any mention of it in the archives or on Van's website. I also looked at an index of early 90's RVators and found nothing, so I wouldn't know just what to take a picture of. Maybe you could give us a little more information, like the year and some reference to information on the problem? Dave B. -6 So Cal do not archive Doug Gray wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray > >Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement >around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount. > >I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV >builders. > >Doug > >On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote: > > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray >> >>Folks, >>I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear >>socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have >>experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L. >> >>My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear >>direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear >>photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are >>fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped. >> >>Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the >>welder. >> >>Thanks, >>Doug Gray >>Sydney, Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:21 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Opps, forgot the temporary exhaust system that fell apart in McKenny TX. Fixed with borrowed safety wire. I carry a roll of it when traveling now. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Crook To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time: Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip flying on low oil pressure. Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed spare bolt and fixed it there. No Mag failures to report :-)))) Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:20 AM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer My 1989 mount does ot have any reenforcement and I have not heard of a problem with -6 mounts cracking but like Dave my memory may have gone south with everything else. :-) Jerry D.Bristol wrote: > Maybe it's because no one wants to admit that they don't know what > you're talking about. My kit was a '96 and I've never heard of this > problem, of course with my memory, that doesn't mean much! But I > couldn't find any mention of it in the archives or on Van's website. I > also looked at an index of early 90's RVators and found nothing, so I > wouldn't know just what to take a picture of. > Maybe you could give us a little more information, like the year and > some reference to information on the problem? > > Dave B. -6 So Cal > > do not archive > > Doug Gray wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray >> >>Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement >>around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount. >> >>I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV >>builders. >> >>Doug >> >>On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 00:47 +1000, Doug Gray wrote: >> >> >>>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray >>> >>>Folks, >>>I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear >>>socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have >>>experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L. >>> >>>My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear >>>direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear >>>photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are >>>fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped. >>> >>>Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the >>>welder. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Doug Gray >>>Sydney, Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:54 AM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: For Sale Video --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: Have the famous "Been there Done That: Video Tapes, by Rich Hansen, builder of the award winning Rv6a. There are four vhs tapes. With excellent information and tips, when installing the engine to the Rv6a. Oil cooler. Baffles etc... Each tape has its own typed,list of topics, for easy, review.. Contact me off list for discounted price. Bert rv6a Flying ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:10 AM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 manual as computer file? --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Quoting DAVID REEL : > --> RV-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" > > I'd like to make up a small pilot's manual for the EIS 4000. Does anyone > have the full manual in electronic form they could email to me at > dreel@cox.net? Then I wouldn't have to type in all those tables. I've also > asked Grand Rapids but no response to my email yet. > > Dave Reel - RV8A > > Dave: Just curious, when you bought the unit, you get everything... or did you buy from some one, what did he do with the Installation Manual etc? I am trying to get an answer about checking the mags, but no one knows the answer... I have myne installed, long ago. Are you familiar with the unit? REgard, Bert rv6a do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:26 PM PST US From: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) Subject: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? --> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) >"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing anything wrong," Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this. For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in a citywide problem. I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past 15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the police department when I was a Deputy District Attorney or a client sitting across my desk attempting to sell me on the strength of their case as I am setting the retainer for the potential lengthy litigation that I am being assured will be put to rest with only one letter on my letterhead. Based on Brian's comment about two prior successful defenses in a true courtroom against this lady, she may have pulled a fast one by going to the city council instead of the courts. In California, a person who files multiple lawsuits without prevailing can be ruled a "vexatious litigant" by the court, on the court's own motion, after a hearing. This vexatious litigant must then present any further complaints (lawsuits) to the presiding judge who reviews the claim to determine whether it can be filed. There are a few California litigants in wheelchairs suing multiple small businesses under the ADA handicapped access rules who have been so labelled over the past year. Perhaps this possibly shrewd lady was aware of this potential and sought another jurisdiction with the city council. If she brings the identical claim in court it can be dismissed under "res judicata" as the same litigated claim cannot be relitigated after a determination has been issued by judge or jury. She has now secured a new law from the city. Seems to be a clever lady on a quest, unfortunately for her poor neighbor Brain. The suggestion that Brian get other local homebuilders and his neighbors to support his low neighborhood impact hobby is a good way to present his individual situation to to city council in hopes of getting a modification to the ordinance exempting his situation from who knows what other home hobbies the city is really intending to control (garage meth labs are popular here near Fresno, California). Seeking a determination from the city council in a positive manner about what parts of his aircraft homebuilding were objectionable, to which he can agree to control or eliminate, may allow him to continue his hobby with those restrictions. In dealing with government forums or any committee, present them with an answer rather than just a question and they will often readily agree with the solution so they can get on to other business. The city council might welcome being able to pare Brian out of the city ordinance just to whiz off the whining neighbor lady who is no doubt a gadfly thorn-in-their-side. To their possible irritation, she is no doubt trumpeting her "victory" with the new law that she may only have been a minor part in creating. Get the whole story and you are then prepared to work towards a solution. Usual caveats - not a Florida lawyer, seek own counsel . . . etc. Pete Cowper RV-8 #81139 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:30 PM PST US From: "tomvelvick" Subject: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. --> RV-List message posted by: "tomvelvick" Worse was wood prop came loose and had to land at a ranch about 50 miles from home. Borrowed another prop and 4" extension and flew it back a couple of days later. Bendix starter stripped gears twice so would spin but not turn over prop. Slick Magneto failed on way to Oshkosh. Flat tire Loose ignition lead tail wheel Strobe light failure Broken air box Help on other planes on the road. Two alternators failed. Radio failure Regards, Tom Velvick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49321#49321 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:07 PM PST US From: Geoff Evans Subject: RV-List: Prop governor mounting studs I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting studs for the prop governor have not been installed. It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and nuts, but I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I can't find any references online. Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more threads on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also, what type of sealant is used on the gasket for the governor? Thanks. -Geoff RV-8 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:01 PM PST US From: "Mannan J. Thomason" Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop governor mounting studs Geoff: Before installing, I would determine which prop govenor you will be using.. Different govenors require different length studs. They did you a favor by not installing something you might have to change anyway. If you determine that the ones your have are correct; I would double nut the long thread end. The studs are usually an "interference fit" into the case. That is that they are about .001 in larger than the threaded holes in the case. I would use " Lock-Tite" compound on them anyway to prevent any chance of oil seepage. Use a wrench on the outer nut to screw them into the case. I would not bottom them out in the case. After they're installed, remove the nuts. It is not necessary to use any kind of sealant on the gasket, in fact I would recommend that you don't. This has been my experience with the ones I have worked on. The usual caveat----YMMV. Mannan Thomason RV-8 N1 61RL ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Evans To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: RV-List: Prop governor mounting studs I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting studs for the prop governor have not been installed. It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and nuts, but I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I can't find any references online. Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more threads on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also, what type of sealant is used on the gasket for the governor? Thanks. -Geoff RV-8 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:57 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*) Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from, but your neck hurts. -Stormy /not a lawyer/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:00 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Pete Cowper wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) > > > >>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing >> >> >anything wrong," > >Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed >person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this. > >For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor >seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in >a citywide problem. > >I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent >workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to >listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having >been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal >prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past >15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case >based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the > >snipped > > >Pete Cowper >RV-8 #81139 > It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely. If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian has apparently already dealt with the 'case'). This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that *all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or irritating to neighbors. Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a 'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?) Charlie ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:51 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs. I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job. I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to court and I can't spill all the beans now. Brian Kraut www.jaxairplane.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM Solution? --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Pete Cowper wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) > > >>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing >> >> >anything wrong," > >Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed >person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this. > >For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor >seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in >a citywide problem. > >I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent >workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to >listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having >been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal >prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past >15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case >based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the > >snipped > > >Pete Cowper >RV-8 #81139 > It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely. If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian has apparently already dealt with the 'case'). This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that *all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or irritating to neighbors. Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a 'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?) Charlie ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:06 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans There Jack goes bragging again. :-) don't forget the DNA on this on messages of this type. Tom do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN STARN To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*) Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from, but your neck hurts. -Stormy /not a lawyer/