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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Major new product announcement from Vans (Mickey Coggins)
2. 01:23 AM - Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (shirleyh)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Charlie England)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount (Doug Gray)
5. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Chuck Jensen)
6. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? (Brian Kraut)
7. 08:59 PM - Re: black screws for instruments (flmike)
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| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
JOHN STARN wrote:
> OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the
> hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut
> complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a
> month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of
> day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*)
Wow - 20 staples, that sounds kind of nasty. I guess with those
scars your new callsign could be updated to Franken-KABONG.
Have you been back in the saddle? I'm sure glad it didn't turn
out any worse.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: "shirleyh" <shirleyh@oceanbroadband.net>
Doug, just to assure you that you are not going crazy - I know exactly what you
are referring to. I have the old mount and will be checking regularly for cracks.
I know of another RV6 that did crack the mount and had to weld on the gussets.
Unfortunately I don't have a photo to help you. If I can contact that
owner in the near future I'll ask him for more detail.
Cheers
Shirley Harding
RV6 VH ASF - 23 hrs
Perth Western Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49393#49393
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
I'm on your side; my point is that when the city decided to pass a
discriminatory ordinance, it became much more than a 'case'. We are all
affected.
Even if you were the world's worst jerk, riveting at 3:00 AM & spraying
dangerous chemicals into your neighbor's windows, it still would not
justify passing the law they passed.
Charlie
Brian Kraut wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
>It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
>plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
>to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
>
>I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
>respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
>
>I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
>information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
>the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
>court and I can't spill all the beans now.
>
>Brian Kraut
>www.jaxairplane.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
>Solution?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Pete Cowper wrote:
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>>--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
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>>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
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>>anything wrong,"
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>>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>>
>>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>>a citywide problem.
>>
>>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>>
>>
>>
> >snipped
>
>
>
>>Pete Cowper
>>RV-8 #81139
>>
>>
>>
>It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
>
>If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
>has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
>
>This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
>*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
>areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
>restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
>irritating to neighbors.
>
>Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
>in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
>restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
>to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
>'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
>
>Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Hi Shirley,
Thanks. I have spoken to a number of RV-6 owners around our patch who
are keeping watch on cracks developing in this area. I thought I'd head
off the problem before mounting the engine.
The positioning of the patches is obvious once the mount was off the
fuselage. Planning to get them welded tomorrow.
Doug
Sydney
On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 01:21 -0700, shirleyh wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "shirleyh" <shirleyh@oceanbroadband.net>
>
> Doug, just to assure you that you are not going crazy - I know exactly what you
are referring to. I have the old mount and will be checking regularly for cracks.
I know of another RV6 that did crack the mount and had to weld on the
gussets. Unfortunately I don't have a photo to help you. If I can contact that
owner in the near future I'll ask him for more detail.
>
> Cheers
>
> Shirley Harding
> RV6 VH ASF - 23 hrs
> Perth Western Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
I have no opinion on the merits of Mr. Kraut situation and
circumstances. Certainly, his postings seem reasonable and reasoned.
If one is to draw a conclusion from this 'managed' information, it would
certainly seem that the ordinance is 'mosquito hunting with an elephant
gun.'
What concerns me the most is the near instantaneous laying claim to
'constitutional rights' (not necessarily by Mr. Kraut, but certainly
many others). First of all, most that make such claims 1) have never
read the constitution, and 2) wouldn't know how to apply it to define
one's rights anyhow. This whole process of asserting constitutional
rights culminates in 8th graders running around and telling their
teachers and Principals to shove-it because 'they know their rights'.
What I hear far less frequently, but interests me a great more, is what
are our 'responsibilities' as citizens, not just our rights. Societal
needs may not trump 'rights' but the exercise of innumerable personal
rights (real and imagined) is often corrosive to our social fabric and
quality of life. To mute exercise of our rights and our personal
behavior is sometimes referred to as the go-along, get-along philosophy.
In Kraut's immediate case, multiple parties are not going-along and
certainly not getting-along; the result of which is a nasty,
over-reaching ordinance and consternation on the part of many
(potentially) affected parties---all because somebody probably decided
to assert their 'rights' instead of their responsibilities.
So, let's go forward a bit more gently--we will all find life more
comfortable and pleasant by doing so. Oh, by the way; do as I say, not
as I do.
Chuck
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> I'm on your side; my point is that when the city decided to pass a
> discriminatory ordinance, it became much more than a 'case'.
> We are all
> affected.
>
> Even if you were the world's worst jerk, riveting at 3:00 AM
> & spraying
> dangerous chemicals into your neighbor's windows, it still would not
> justify passing the law they passed.
>
> Charlie
>
> Brian Kraut wrote:
>
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
> >
> >It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I
> could move
> >the plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but
> >this needs to be fought. I will not run with my tail
> between my legs.
> >
> >I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I
> wish I could
> >respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a
> full time
> >job.
> >
> >I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
> >information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how
> it passed,
> >and the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed.
> This will
> >go to court and I can't spill all the beans now.
> >
> >Brian Kraut
> >www.jaxairplane.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Charlie England
> >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
> >Solution?
> >
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England
> >--> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Pete Cowper wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>anything wrong,"
> >>
> >>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and
> >>level-headed person, and some third parties who have met
> him confirm
> >>this.
> >>
> >>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining
> >>neighbor seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian
> has been
> >>caught up in a citywide problem.
> >>
> >>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
> >>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
> >>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions.
> >>Having been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both
> >>criminal prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation
> >>practice the past 15 years . . . I am always hesitant to
> determine the
> >>merits of a case based on hearing only one side of the
> story. Whether
> >>it is from the
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >snipped
> >
> >
> >
> >>Pete Cowper
> >>RV-8 #81139
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point
> >entirely.
> >
> >If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a
> 'case' (Brian
> >has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
> >
> >This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
> >*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional
> rights in two
> >areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
> >restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
> >irritating to neighbors.
> >
> >Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no
> >doubt in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like
> most of the
> >laws restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do
> we allow the
> >FAA to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
> >'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
> >
> >Charlie
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Good observations. That is the part some people don't understand. If I was
causing a tremendous nuisance with noise, dangerous conditions, trash and
parts everywhere (which I am not) they would be giving me fines for those
things. Those laws already exist here and it would be very easy for them to
fine me on those things and make them stick. I have not gotten a single
citation or warning for any of those things because they are not happening.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:22 AM
Solution?
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
I'm on your side; my point is that when the city decided to pass a
discriminatory ordinance, it became much more than a 'case'. We are all
affected.
Even if you were the world's worst jerk, riveting at 3:00 AM & spraying
dangerous chemicals into your neighbor's windows, it still would not
justify passing the law they passed.
Charlie
Brian Kraut wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
>It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
>plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
>to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
>
>I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
>respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
>
>I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
>information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
>the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
>court and I can't spill all the beans now.
>
>Brian Kraut
>www.jaxairplane.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
>Solution?
>
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>Pete Cowper wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>anything wrong,"
>>
>>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>>
>>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>>a citywide problem.
>>
>>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>>
>>
>>
> >snipped
>
>
>>Pete Cowper
>>RV-8 #81139
>>
>>
>>
>It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
>
>If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
>has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
>
>This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
>*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
>areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
>restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
>irritating to neighbors.
>
>Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
>in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
>restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
>to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
>'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
>
>Charlie
>
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| Subject: | RE: black screws for instruments |
--> RV-List message posted by: flmike <flmike2001@yahoo.com>
Tom,
The easiest solution is to get some stainless ones at
the local hardware store and paint them. Very easy.
Punch a bunch of holes in a piece of cardboard using a
suitably size tool and stick the screws partway in.
Paint whatever color you like. (I used satin black
Krylon) Paint more than you need so you have some
spares.
I used SS socket head cap screws from
www.microfasteners.com (there is a lot of screws in a
panel and their prices are fair, plus they ran the 100
deg stainless Torx fasteners specially for the
RV'ers.)
Mike
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