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| Subject: | re: off-topic lawn tractor question |
Hi Bill,
Funny you should ask! On the way to Oshkosh we stopped at a nice little
airport near Indianappolis. The "Dixie Chopper" lawn mowers are made
there and they were all over the place. One chasis was serving as the
FBO's start cart! They claim is is the fastest mower in the world and
they look positively tank-like. One has a 72-inch cut and twin engines
with 54 horsepower! That would probably mow the hump clean out of
Hop-Along airport! I didn't even ask how much, but I'm not in the
market. Check out the web site: http://www.dixiechopper.com/
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
Unrelated to RV's except that mowing the runway at Hop-Along for
the last 8 years
has undoubtedly played a major role in wearing out my Husqvarna
;-)
Bottom line: my tired old 42"/15 hp tractor is fast becoming a
basket case, with
stuff falling off and no longer cuts cleanly - we've renamed it
the lawn-chewer.
I need a new mower and I need it soon. While I'm at it, an
upgrade to 48"
or 54" cut seems like an affordable luxury at my age; I've got
quite a few
acres to groom.
What I'm asking the List for is any strong recommendations, good
or bad, about
the various models and brands of yard tractors out there. If
you've been very
happy with yours and would never give it up, or if you've made an
impulse buy
on a brand you swear you'll never buy again, I'd like to hear
about it before
I hit the big city tonight for my shopping adventure. If you know
of any chain
stores running great sales on a model you like, I'd appreciate
knowing that,
too.
Thanks, guys. I hope in my own small way I've given us something
to talk about
besides how much we wish we were in Wisconsin this week, being
rained on in our
tents, and wondering how we were going to pick our way home
through the occluded
frontal systems, etc. <g>
-Stormy
certainly do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: re: off-topic lawn tractor question |
I bet Kathy wants one of those; better be checking on the price ;-)
-Stormy
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Sent: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 7:25 AM
Hi Bill,
Funny you should ask! On the way to Oshkosh we stopped at a nice little airport near Indianappolis. The "Dixie Chopper" lawn mowers are made there and they were all over the place. One chasis was serving as the FBO's start cart! They claim is is the fastest mower in the world and they look positively tank-like. One has a 72-inch cut and twin engines with 54 horsepower! That would probably mow the hump clean out of Hop-Along airport! I didn't even ask how much, but I'm not in the market. Check out the web site: http://www.dixiechopper.com/
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
Unrelated to RV's except that mowing the runway at Hop-Along for the last
8 years
has undoubtedly played a major role in wearing out my Husqvarna ;-)
Bottom line: my tired old 42"/15 hp tractor is fast becoming a basket case,
with
stuff falling off and no longer cuts cleanly - we've renamed it the lawn-chewer.
I need a new mower and I need it soon. While I'm at it, an upgrade to 48"
or 54" cut seems like an affordable luxury at my age; I've got quite a few
acres to groom.
What I'm asking the List for is any strong recommendations, good or bad,
about
the various models and brands of yard tractors out there. If you've been
very
happy with yours and would never give it up, or if you've made an impulse
buy
on a brand you swear you'll never buy again, I'd like to hear about it before
I hit the big city tonight for my shopping adventure. If you know of any
chain
stores running great sales on a model you like, I'd appreciate knowing that,
too.
Thanks, guys. I hope in my own small way I've given us something to talk
about
besides how much we wish we were in Wisconsin this week, being rained on
in our
tents, and wondering how we were going to pick our way home through the occluded
frontal systems, etc. <g>
-Stormy
certainly do not archive
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| Subject: | RV Builders Family Reunion BBQ at Oshkosh -- (long!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two he's
giving at Oshkosh. And, of course, it was held in the #7 tent, the largest one,
usually reserved for the likes of Rod Machado and Bert Rutan.Van brought Ken
Krueger along. Van was Van and quickly gave way to Ken, who is an outstanding
presenter and he ripped through a presentation on the RV-7, 9, and -- for the
most part 10. He took a hand count before he started his presentation about who
was interested in the 7, 9 and, 10 and it was clear within a very short timeframe
that the RV-10 is now the king of the hill at Van's.
He then concentrated on the RV-12, which is here. Darwin and I both were surprised
that the RV-12 doesn't look at all like an RV. I happen to feel it's butt
ugly with the pulled rivets but there's certainly a good reason for it since it's
going to fly under Light Sport Aircraft rules and there's a speed limitation
making flush rivets unnecessary, especially since ease of construction is supposed
to be a key selling point.
I suppose it's only a matter of time, though, until someone tries to put a 180
horsepower engine in the thing, and that idea opened the door for Van's to throw
some darts consistent with his scathing article in the RVator a few months
ago referring to "people who know more than the designers." Maybe he should just
name the person he keeps quoting who, allegedly just "raised his gross weight
by 300 pounds" to address weight and balance concerns of performance modifications.
The other subject that came up was the nosegear allegations in the RV-7A. Ken
was pretty direct in fielding it saying that as they've checked these nosegear
rollovers that "there's more to the story" than what's on the various bulletin
boards. Van quickly jumped in that they're not disregarding the complaints and
they are taking a look at things.
Ken's presentation was the first time I really paid a lot of attention to the RV-10
and it certainly is an impressive design.
At the conclusion of the forum, Van said he'd be available to talk to builders
at the tent, and then set a speed record of his own for darting out, leaving Ken
behind to field a few questions.
That was it for the forums for me, Darwin formed up and headed to Appleton for
BBQ shopping. Now keep in mind I called Darwin a few weeks ago and said, "man,
150 people are coming!" and he said, "ahh, don' worry about it, I cook for that
many people at family reunions."
So we arrived at Sam's Club in Appleton and started the shopping. We got to the
meat department and he said, "how many brats do we need?" "138," I said. "Whaaaaat?"
he said.
"I told you," I said. We bought about $600 worth of meat and potato salad and
cole slaw and hoped the thunderstorms wouldn't return, leaving us to foot a very
substantial bill.
I dropped Darwin off at his campsite and headed back to the "Collins compound"
to start setting up. I did the "preicing" on the beer and soft drinks and continued
setting up. The clouds began to darken. Our plan was to start the grills
at 5, get some stuff made so when
people started showing up, we'd have some food for them.
I dropped some parking credentials off to Jim Whitaker and Debbie Pennington of
Lee's Summit , Missouri, who had just arrived at the Circle R campground, and
headed back to the compound to get things going. As I arrived, the clouds opened
up. All I could think of was what I was going to do with 60 pounds of cole
slaw and about $2,000 worth of food.
We huddled under our canopy when Frank Swart of Portage Michigan and his new bride,
Joyce, pulled up in their RV. Frank and his brothers camped next to us last
year and were a big help getting our BBQ pulled off last year. He saw what
was happening and, like a pro
trucker, brought his RV around to the back of the compound and unfolded a big awning.
The 50 or so who had already shown up, including the folks at Trio Avionics,
had a place to stay
dry. Sort of. We moved the coolers around to keep people happy with beer and suddenly
I was in a wet t-shirt contest as the rains came down and I got drenched.
Anything's better than eating 50 pounds of cole slaw.
Terry Frazier came by and quickly volunteered to help cook so we now had three
cooks -- Howard Kaney, Darwin Barrie, and Terry Frazier.
And the people kept coming.
Larry Frey, who is a saint, pulled up with two big roaster pots full of baked beans.
I finally got the tables configured, stacked high with buns, next to a table
of beans, salads, cole slaw, potato salad etc.
And the people kept coming.
Bill Near started organizing the canopy operation and Rick Belsaas manned the sign-in
area where people could pick up their name tag and, hopefully, make donation.
And they kept coming.
Then came tragedy. We were running out of beer...and maybe food too. So I grabbed
$100 from the donations and Dave Domeier, UPS pilot and RV builder, headed
to WalMart, stocked up with two shopping carts full of beer and got back within
a half hour. "Who wants beer?" I said as came back in the compound which was
now filled with more than 200 thirsty -- and hungry folks. "Forget the beer,"
Terry said, "we're running out of food."
I hopped back in the car and headed back to WalMart. When I got there, my phone
rang. It was Darwin. "We've got at least 100 people still in line to check in.
WE need food and get all the beer you can and get back here FAST." We started
out providing Corona and Leiningkugel, but we were now in Miller Lite and Budweiser
mode. I picked up 3 additional watermelons, more buns, beer, 40 pounds
of chicken and another 150 hamburger patties. The checkout women at WalMart
asked if they could come to the party and then helped me take everything out to
the car and load it.
I got back in time to run into Dan Checkoway and it was a distinct pleasure to
have him, and all of the RVers. It was cool to see the plane certainly to meet
Dan. Dan sent a check before the barbecue, which is going uncashed, of course,
because that man's money should be no good whenever he's in the company of other
RVers. I can't imagine anyone who's done more for the rest of us except maybe
Van himself and I'm not even sure if that's the case. I was sorry I didn't
have more time to chat with everyone and I was just hoping everyone was having
a good time. Since someone else had made another beer run, it appears they
were as there were smiles all around. I think some people in line finally gave
up on signing in and just came in the compound to chat becuase suddenly our
food line disappeared and there we were with 4 cases of hamburgers and 12 cases
of unused beer. Oh, and I'd also forgotten to get the rest of the potato chips
out of the tent, along with two other cases of beer. Watermelon had already
been cut so the the three I brought weren't needed.
Things had slowed considerably and Darwin, Terry, and Howard could now relax a
bit, I hoped, and get a chance to talk. There was applause all around, smiles
everywhere and I was asked to say something. And here's what I said. "Someone
had just reminded me that a few years ago, as I struggled with some parental issues,
I'd lost enthusiasm for plane building and put my tail and wings up for
sale. They talked me out of it and I'm glad they did becuase the fatherhood issues
that demanded my time were resolved -- as they usually are -- and I can
thank my fellow RVers for that. And while I'm here at Oshkosh by myself, I feel
I'm also here with my family and I hoped everyone else felt the same way. But
the folks who
LITERALLY pulled the barbecue out of the fire were Darwin, Terry, and Howard for
cooking, Larry Frey for doing just about everything a guy could do, Rich Emery
for constantly showing up and bringing stuff, Bill Near and Rick Belsaas for
pitching in. I can't possibly thank them enough.
I then thanked Stein Bruch at SteinAir, who gave us a donation a few weeks ago
"becuase that's what RVers should do." He didn't want any advertising. He didn't
want anyone to even know what he was doing. But I put the STeinAir logo on
all the nametags and it was the least
we could do. I very much enjoyed meeting Stein and the gang he brought over from
Direct To Avionics and TruTrak and Chelton.
IN talking with him afterwards, we agreed that the barbecue should stay in Scholler
because it's essentially for the "family reunion" vibe. This is really just
a grassroots operation that just took off this year and clearly we're going
to need bigger digs and a big tent and more grills -- and more beer. Oh, and
we're going to need a better count on who is coming.
I was taking Brad Oliver back to the blue lot late in the evening. He's heading
home today and he was telling me everything he saw on his first trip to Oshkosh
and he was very excited and then he said, "but tonight was the BEST part of
being here."
And that is why we do it and we thank everyone who came or wanted to come. You
really ARE all family.
Postscript. The campsite is almost all cleaned up. I got most of it done last
night and Larry and Rich and Terry were all back this morning to finish the job.
We ended up giving the left-over 10-12 cases of beer to Larry for a family
reunion he has. We dropped the
watermelons off over at the Civil Air Patrol kids' tent. As it turned out they
lost their breakfast so they were hungry. We gave 'em the potato chips too. We
had leftover single beers and stacks of buns and condiments that I put out on
a table at the compound with a "free" sign and they're slowly going away.
I haven't done all the financial stuff yet but with the expenses of about $2,000,
the cost of the campsites and donations of about $2300, it looks like we're
going to break out about even or slightly in the hole, but by a negligible amount.
The one thing I regret is not having time to talk to many people but that's the
price of hosting the BBQ. The point is to create a place where RVers can talk
to each other. If you were in line and gave up, I'm very sorry. If you paid in
advance and you didn't get food or
beer, please let me know so we can return your money. We really want everyone to
be happy and to have had a good time.
I also didn't get an opportunity to take many pictures so if you took some, could
you please send me copies. I've got nothing for the RV Builder's Hotline, especially
since I lost the digital camera earlier this week.
Aero News Network also sent a fine gentleman named Mark over to document our grassroots
homecoming and hopefully that will be online soon. Please look for that.
And who knows? Maybe next year will be the year that even Van's sends someone over.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50179#50179
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| Subject: | RV Builders Family Reunion BBQ at Oshkosh -- (long!) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
What an incredible write-up of an incredible get together. I'm planning to
be there next year! Hope someone took pictures.
John Jessen
RV-10 Tailcone
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two
he's giving at Oshkosh. And, of course, it was held in the #7 tent, the
largest one, usually reserved for the likes of Rod Machado and Bert
Rutan.Van brought Ken Krueger along. Van was Van and quickly gave way to
Ken, who is an outstanding presenter and he ripped through a presentation on
the RV-7, 9, and -- for the most part 10. He took a hand count before he
started his presentation about who was interested in the 7, 9 and, 10 and it
was clear within a very short timeframe that the RV-10 is now the king of
the hill at Van's.
He then concentrated on the RV-12, which is here. Darwin and I both were
surprised that the RV-12 doesn't look at all like an RV. I happen to feel
it's butt ugly with the pulled rivets but there's certainly a good reason
for it since it's going to fly under Light Sport Aircraft rules and there's
a speed limitation making flush rivets unnecessary, especially since ease of
construction is supposed to be a key selling point.
I suppose it's only a matter of time, though, until someone tries to put a
180 horsepower engine in the thing, and that idea opened the door for Van's
to throw some darts consistent with his scathing article in the RVator a few
months ago referring to "people who know more than the designers." Maybe he
should just name the person he keeps quoting who, allegedly just "raised his
gross weight by 300 pounds" to address weight and balance concerns of
performance modifications.
The other subject that came up was the nosegear allegations in the RV-7A.
Ken was pretty direct in fielding it saying that as they've checked these
nosegear rollovers that "there's more to the story" than what's on the
various bulletin boards. Van quickly jumped in that they're not disregarding
the complaints and they are taking a look at things.
Ken's presentation was the first time I really paid a lot of attention to
the RV-10 and it certainly is an impressive design.
At the conclusion of the forum, Van said he'd be available to talk to
builders at the tent, and then set a speed record of his own for darting
out, leaving Ken behind to field a few questions.
That was it for the forums for me, Darwin formed up and headed to Appleton
for BBQ shopping. Now keep in mind I called Darwin a few weeks ago and said,
"man, 150 people are coming!" and he said, "ahh, don' worry about it, I cook
for that many people at family reunions."
So we arrived at Sam's Club in Appleton and started the shopping. We got to
the meat department and he said, "how many brats do we need?" "138," I
said. "Whaaaaat?" he said.
"I told you," I said. We bought about $600 worth of meat and potato salad
and cole slaw and hoped the thunderstorms wouldn't return, leaving us to
foot a very substantial bill.
I dropped Darwin off at his campsite and headed back to the "Collins
compound" to start setting up. I did the "preicing" on the beer and soft
drinks and continued setting up. The clouds began to darken. Our plan was
to start the grills at 5, get some stuff made so when people started showing
up, we'd have some food for them.
I dropped some parking credentials off to Jim Whitaker and Debbie Pennington
of Lee's Summit , Missouri, who had just arrived at the Circle R campground,
and headed back to the compound to get things going. As I arrived, the
clouds opened up. All I could think of was what I was going to do with 60
pounds of cole slaw and about $2,000 worth of food.
We huddled under our canopy when Frank Swart of Portage Michigan and his new
bride, Joyce, pulled up in their RV. Frank and his brothers camped next to
us last year and were a big help getting our BBQ pulled off last year. He
saw what was happening and, like a pro trucker, brought his RV around to the
back of the compound and unfolded a big awning. The 50 or so who had already
shown up, including the folks at Trio Avionics, had a place to stay dry.
Sort of. We moved the coolers around to keep people happy with beer and
suddenly I was in a wet t-shirt contest as the rains came down and I got
drenched. Anything's better than eating 50 pounds of cole slaw.
Terry Frazier came by and quickly volunteered to help cook so we now had
three cooks -- Howard Kaney, Darwin Barrie, and Terry Frazier.
And the people kept coming.
Larry Frey, who is a saint, pulled up with two big roaster pots full of
baked beans. I finally got the tables configured, stacked high with buns,
next to a table of beans, salads, cole slaw, potato salad etc.
And the people kept coming.
Bill Near started organizing the canopy operation and Rick Belsaas manned
the sign-in area where people could pick up their name tag and, hopefully,
make donation.
And they kept coming.
Then came tragedy. We were running out of beer...and maybe food too. So I
grabbed $100 from the donations and Dave Domeier, UPS pilot and RV builder,
headed to WalMart, stocked up with two shopping carts full of beer and got
back within a half hour. "Who wants beer?" I said as came back in the
compound which was now filled with more than 200 thirsty -- and hungry
folks. "Forget the beer," Terry said, "we're running out of food."
I hopped back in the car and headed back to WalMart. When I got there, my
phone rang. It was Darwin. "We've got at least 100 people still in line to
check in. WE need food and get all the beer you can and get back here FAST."
We started out providing Corona and Leiningkugel, but we were now in Miller
Lite and Budweiser mode. I picked up 3 additional watermelons, more buns,
beer, 40 pounds of chicken and another 150 hamburger patties. The checkout
women at WalMart asked if they could come to the party and then helped me
take everything out to the car and load it.
I got back in time to run into Dan Checkoway and it was a distinct pleasure
to have him, and all of the RVers. It was cool to see the plane certainly to
meet Dan. Dan sent a check before the barbecue, which is going uncashed, of
course, because that man's money should be no good whenever he's in the
company of other RVers. I can't imagine anyone who's done more for the rest
of us except maybe Van himself and I'm not even sure if that's the case. I
was sorry I didn't have more time to chat with everyone and I was just
hoping everyone was having a good time. Since someone else had made another
beer run, it appears they were as there were smiles all around. I think some
people in line finally gave up on signing in and just came in the compound
to chat becuase suddenly our food line disappeared and there we were with 4
cases of hamburgers and 12 cases of unused beer. Oh, and I'd also forgotten
to get the rest of the potato chips out of the tent, along with two other
cases of be!
er. Watermelon had already been cut so the the three I brought weren't
needed.
Things had slowed considerably and Darwin, Terry, and Howard could now relax
a bit, I hoped, and get a chance to talk. There was applause all around,
smiles everywhere and I was asked to say something. And here's what I said.
"Someone had just reminded me that a few years ago, as I struggled with some
parental issues, I'd lost enthusiasm for plane building and put my tail and
wings up for sale. They talked me out of it and I'm glad they did becuase
the fatherhood issues that demanded my time were resolved -- as they usually
are -- and I can thank my fellow RVers for that. And while I'm here at
Oshkosh by myself, I feel I'm also here with my family and I hoped everyone
else felt the same way. But the folks who LITERALLY pulled the barbecue out
of the fire were Darwin, Terry, and Howard for cooking, Larry Frey for doing
just about everything a guy could do, Rich Emery for constantly showing up
and bringing stuff, Bill Near and Rick Belsaas for pitching in. I can't
possibly thank them enough.
I then thanked Stein Bruch at SteinAir, who gave us a donation a few weeks
ago "becuase that's what RVers should do." He didn't want any advertising.
He didn't want anyone to even know what he was doing. But I put the STeinAir
logo on all the nametags and it was the least we could do. I very much
enjoyed meeting Stein and the gang he brought over from Direct To Avionics
and TruTrak and Chelton.
IN talking with him afterwards, we agreed that the barbecue should stay in
Scholler because it's essentially for the "family reunion" vibe. This is
really just a grassroots operation that just took off this year and clearly
we're going to need bigger digs and a big tent and more grills -- and more
beer. Oh, and we're going to need a better count on who is coming.
I was taking Brad Oliver back to the blue lot late in the evening. He's
heading home today and he was telling me everything he saw on his first trip
to Oshkosh and he was very excited and then he said, "but tonight was the
BEST part of being here."
And that is why we do it and we thank everyone who came or wanted to come.
You really ARE all family.
Postscript. The campsite is almost all cleaned up. I got most of it done
last night and Larry and Rich and Terry were all back this morning to finish
the job. We ended up giving the left-over 10-12 cases of beer to Larry for
a family reunion he has. We dropped the watermelons off over at the Civil
Air Patrol kids' tent. As it turned out they lost their breakfast so they
were hungry. We gave 'em the potato chips too. We had leftover single beers
and stacks of buns and condiments that I put out on a table at the compound
with a "free" sign and they're slowly going away.
I haven't done all the financial stuff yet but with the expenses of about
$2,000, the cost of the campsites and donations of about $2300, it looks
like we're going to break out about even or slightly in the hole, but by a
negligible amount.
The one thing I regret is not having time to talk to many people but that's
the price of hosting the BBQ. The point is to create a place where RVers can
talk to each other. If you were in line and gave up, I'm very sorry. If you
paid in advance and you didn't get food or beer, please let me know so we
can return your money. We really want everyone to be happy and to have had a
good time.
I also didn't get an opportunity to take many pictures so if you took some,
could you please send me copies. I've got nothing for the RV Builder's
Hotline, especially since I lost the digital camera earlier this week.
Aero News Network also sent a fine gentleman named Mark over to document our
grassroots homecoming and hopefully that will be online soon. Please look
for that.
And who knows? Maybe next year will be the year that even Van's sends
someone over.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50179#50179
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--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sorry for the last post. Too excited. Forgot to trim and add the Do Not
Archive.
John Jessen
RV-10 Tailcone
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two
he's giving at Oshkosh. .........
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| Subject: | High speed internet |
Not exactly RV related but.....of interest if you are using dial-up to
get the list.
Recently there was some discussion by lister who do not have a high
speed internet connection. If you are part of the group, are you aware
of a satellite internet service called WildBlue similar to satillite TV?
You can get info at: www.wildblue.net I have no connection/interest in
this busines. Just thought I would pass info along.
Dale Ensing
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