---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/30/06: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Lightspeed Ignition (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 2. 05:39 AM - Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Dean Pichon) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (linn Walters) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Doug Weiler) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: PPG Paint Code (Tom Gesele) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Dan Checkoway) 7. 08:45 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Mickey Coggins) 8. 09:24 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Vanremog@aol.com) 9. 09:24 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Vanremog@aol.com) 10. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: exhaust bolt torque (James H Nelson) 11. 09:50 AM - Re: exhaust bolt torque (az_gila) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (az_gila) 13. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: exhaust bolt torque (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 14. 10:13 AM - Air Oil Separators (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 15. 10:19 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Paul Besing) 16. 10:25 AM - Re: Air Oil Separators (linn Walters) 17. 10:45 AM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Dan Checkoway) 18. 11:02 AM - Re: Air Oil Separators (JOHN STARN) 19. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: exhaust bolt torque (Ed Holyoke) 20. 11:58 AM - Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (do it right) () 21. 12:44 PM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Paul Besing) 22. 01:17 PM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (az_gila) 23. 02:52 PM - Re: Lightspeed Ignition (Doug Weiler) 24. 02:52 PM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Dan Checkoway) 25. 03:27 PM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (az_gila) 26. 04:01 PM - Re: PPG Paint Code (Charlie Kuss) 27. 04:01 PM - Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) (Michael D. Cencula) 28. 04:29 PM - Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? (Vanremog@aol.com) 29. 04:31 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Vanremog@aol.com) 30. 04:45 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 31. 05:11 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) (Frank Stringham) 32. 05:11 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Vanremog@aol.com) 33. 05:17 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) (Vanremog@aol.com) 34. 05:32 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) (Bob J.) 35. 07:17 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 36. 07:28 PM - Re: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 37. 08:38 PM - AirVenture 2006 Award Winning RVs (Kenyon Brooks) 38. 08:58 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Paul Besing) 39. 09:39 PM - Re: AirVenture 2006 Award Winning RVs (Bob Collins) 40. 11:05 PM - TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH (Mark E Navratil) 41. 11:19 PM - Re: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH (Cory Emberson) 42. 11:39 PM - Re: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH (Jerry Springer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:44 AM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Quick question on LSE: I've got the version with the sensor board that mounts behind the flywheel. Bad part of this setup is routing the sensor cable back to the controller box. I've tentatively routed this wire under the crankcase with and an adel clamp under one of the baffle bracket screws secures the wire up front. The wire runs under the engine at the base of the cylinders to the firewall. Problem is I don't really have any way to secure it down there. Those who have this setup, could you email me with some description or better yet, photos of what you did here? I need to resolve this somehow. Thanks. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Wiring, wiring and....wiring! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:42 AM PST US From: "Dean Pichon" Subject: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less suseptable to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridiium plugs or another type. Any recommendation from Listers would be most appreciated. I'm flying a -4 with an IO-360 with Lasar ingnition. Thanks, Dean Bolton, MA _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:39 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters This is sure to start another mogas war, but here goes anyway. I use mogas in my Pitts (O-360-A4-A) so don't have the fouling problem. The cure on lesser engines is the REM 37BY, but I don't know if they'll fit in the O-360. They were designed specifically to target the lead fouling problem in the O-235s. I'm assuming that your fouling problem is lead, and not oil! :-) The other cure is to lean the crap out of the engine at all times ..... from startup to shutdown. At any altitude. I know, that's not what Lycoming recommends, so don't waste the bandwidth busting my chops. Leaning agressively, like mogas, has worked for me and has for years. Linn do not archive Dean Pichon wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" > > I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less > suseptable to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a > new set Champions, or perhaps Iridiium plugs or another type. Any > recommendation from Listers would be most appreciated. I'm flying a > -4 with an IO-360 with Lasar ingnition. > > Thanks, > > Dean > Bolton, MA > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:21 AM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" Dean, I have lots of detailed photos of my LSE installation. I have to run at the moment but I'll get you some photos later today. Doug Weiler N722DW, RV-4 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:33 AM > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > Quick question on LSE: > > I've got the version with the sensor board that mounts behind the > flywheel. > Bad part of this setup is routing the sensor cable back to the controller > box. I've tentatively routed this wire under the crankcase with and an > adel > clamp under one of the baffle bracket screws secures the wire up front. > The > wire runs under the engine at the base of the cylinders to the firewall. > Problem is I don't really have any way to secure it down there. Those who > have this setup, could you email me with some description or better yet, > photos of what you did here? I need to resolve this somehow. Thanks. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Wiring, wiring and....wiring! > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:13 AM PST US From: Tom Gesele Subject: RE: RV-List: PPG Paint Code Randy, I had the powder coat color matched - number is DCC92783RQ for the PPG Concept paint according to my receipt. The color was an exact match for Van's parts.. Hope this helps. Tom Gesele RV-10 #40473 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Hooper Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:49 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: PPG Paint Code Hi List, I am trying to match colors in cockpit. Does anyone have the PPG Paint Code to match the powder coat finished steel parts? Thanks in advance. Randy Hooper RV-8 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:54 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I did just like you, with an adel clamp on the baffle screw. I also put another adel clamp on the case/sump bolts in one or two spots as the wire runs aft. Presumably you have a fat starter wire running in that vicinity as well. You could also run the LSE wire along that wire. Whatever works! )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1021 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:33 AM > --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > > > Quick question on LSE: > > I've got the version with the sensor board that mounts behind the > flywheel. > Bad part of this setup is routing the sensor cable back to the controller > box. I've tentatively routed this wire under the crankcase with and an > adel > clamp under one of the baffle bracket screws secures the wire up front. > The > wire runs under the engine at the base of the cylinders to the firewall. > Problem is I don't really have any way to secure it down there. Those who > have this setup, could you email me with some description or better yet, > photos of what you did here? I need to resolve this somehow. Thanks. > > Dean Psiropoulos > RV-6A N197DM > Wiring, wiring and....wiring! > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:56 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > The other cure is to lean the crap out of the engine at all times ..... > from startup to shutdown. At any altitude. I know, that's not what > Lycoming recommends, so don't waste the bandwidth busting my chops. > Leaning agressively, like mogas, has worked for me and has for years. Excellent suggestions assuming the cause is lead fouling. Another one that has worked for a lot of people is to use a lead scavenger like Decalin TCP Plus. http://www.decalinchemicals.com/ -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:23 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:41:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, deanpichon@msn.com writes: I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less susceptible to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridium plugs or another type. Just switch to the REM37BY. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:23 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:58:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes: The cure on lesser engines is the REM 37BY, but I don't know if they'll fit in the O-360. ================================ I can tell you they work fine in my O-360. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:23 AM PST US From: James H Nelson Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: exhaust bolt torque --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson Gil, I don't have the overhaul manual but I need the size of the bolts that go into the machined boss that was origionally used for the generator on the lycoming o-360. This is an area that has three tapped holes just on the generator side of the case. It is bigger than a 1/4" but not 5/16". I want to support the starter cable as it leaves the starter and heads back to the start solenoid. With an adel clamp in that position, it will releive strain where the start cable attaches to the starter. Jim Nelson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:47 AM PST US From: "az_gila" Subject: RV-List: Re: exhaust bolt torque --> RV-List message posted by: "az_gila" Jim... I don't have my parts manual here - a different book from the overhaul manual - but Lycoming only uses US coarse thread screws. If it's not 1/4, then I bet it's a 5/16-18 Buy a cheap 5/16 bolt from the hw store and see if it threads in. It should not be an odd size. gil in Tucson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50740#50740 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:49 AM PST US From: "az_gila" Subject: RV-List: Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: "az_gila" The REM37BY are approved. If you want more plug details, Lycoming has their approved spark plug list on the web at http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/maintenancePublications/serviceInstructions/SI1042X.pdf gil in Tucson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50741#50741 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:07 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: exhaust bolt torque I'm pretty sure its a 1/4-20. It is on my IO-360. do not archive Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 7/30/2006 12:52:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gilalex@earthlink.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "az_gila" Jim... I don't have my parts manual here - a different book from the overhaul manual - but Lycoming only uses US coarse thread screws. If it's not 1/4, then I bet it's a 5/16-18 Buy a cheap 5/16 bolt from the hw store and see if it threads in. It should not be an odd size. gil in Tucson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:43 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actally using one so this one goes out to the list. Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one? I found none on ebay for airplanes. I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find. For those that are routing the oil back into the engine, are you modifying the dip stick housing to accept a return hose? thx, lucky do not archive
Any make/model preference on these things?  I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue.  I don't know anyone who is actally using one so this one goes out to the list.
 
Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one?  I found none on ebay for airplanes.  I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find.
 
For those that are routing the oil back into the engine, are you modifying the dip stick housing to accept a return hose?
 
thx,
lucky
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:23 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Gary, any idea how these would work with a magneto ignition? My IO-360 on my -4 fouls the bottom plugs really easily, and have to be cleaned every oil change in order keep them running well. Paul Besing Vanremog@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:41:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, deanpichon@msn.com writes: I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less susceptible to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridium plugs or another type. Just switch to the REM37BY. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:03 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters lucky wrote: > Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see > such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know > anyone who is actally using one so this one goes out to the list. > > Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one? I found none on ebay > for airplanes. I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find. > > For those that are routing the oil back into the engine, are you > modifying the dip stick housing to accept a return hose? > > thx, > lucky > do not archive Lucky, IMHO the oil separators cover up a more pressing problem ..... blowby. From what I've heard, almost all separators work ..... kinda. They'll keep the belly cleaner if that's your goal. However, instead of returning the crud back to your engine, you can drain it into some kind of removeable cup ...... or even a long loop of clear hose that you can see and drain at your convenience. One look at the stuff that's been siphoned off will make you glad you didn't route it back to the engine. The problem is that the acid that is produced naturally by combustion doesn't get vented overboard as well as it should. Linn Check the archives. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:34 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? They ought to work just fine with mags. I run UREM37BY plugs with my Slick mag on my IO-360-A1B6. Bottom plugs. I have yet to experience a fouled plug in more than 1000 hours. Granted, I have a Lightspeed Plasma II firing the top plugs, which must help...but at least the UREM37BY plugs on the bottom haven't had any issues. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1021 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Gary, any idea how these would work with a magneto ignition? My IO-360 on my -4 fouls the bottom plugs really easily, and have to be cleaned every oil change in order keep them running well. Paul Besing Vanremog@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:41:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, deanpichon@msn.com writes: I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less susceptible to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridium plugs or another type. Just switch to the REM37BY. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:32 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators I'll keep this short. There are lots of suggestions in the Archives. We tried four different type/styles/sizes, bottom line: DONT. IF you collect ANYTHING,` IF you install one, the very last thing you want is to dump the "goop" back into the engine. ANYTHING that restricts the vents air flow causes "backpressure" inside the case & that causes leaks at covers, cylinders, case joints etc etc. Run the line FULL size to an area where anything that MIGHT drip hits the exhaust pipe. IO-540 J4A5 HRII almost 300 hrs KABONG Do Not Archive (its in there) ----- Original Message ----- From: lucky To: RV-List ; lycoming Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actally using one so this one goes out to the list. Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one? I found none on ebay for airplanes. I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find. For those that are routing the oil back into the engine, are you modifying the dip stick housing to accept a return hose? thx, lucky do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:49 AM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: exhaust bolt torque --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" Watch out for those crush type exhaust gaskets. I had one of those burn through allowing the nuts to loosen and fall off. The pipe was found hanging (barely) on the end of the stud. I replaced it with a solid "blow proof" gasket. I checked the other 3 gaskets when we got home and they all showed signs of damage and some leakage. Replaced all. 700 hours on engine at the time. Ed Holyoke >Lycoming also has another set of instructions for crush type copper/asbestos gaskets - which I believe the exhaust gaskets would fall under. >In this case, for a 18 threads to the inch bolt/stud, tighten until surfaces are in contact and then tighten another 135 degrees. >This is only if the exhaust gaskets fall under the description of a "crush type" gasket Perhaps a A&P can help out here... I'm only an airframe mechanic... [Wink] ... but I got the Lycoming book... >gil in Tucson ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:09 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (do it right) Suggest you get a REAL fuel pump cooling shroud. select products and sroll down to bottom. http://showplanes.com/index_800.htm here is a picture. http://showplanes.com/images/prod_thumbnail(shroud).jpg You want to shield from radiant heat as well as shroud in cool air. Cheers George >posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" > > RV7A - IO360 > I'm planning to install 5/8" blast tubes from baffling to fuel pump, 1 > mag, > and alternator. > > Routing and securing to baffling is easy but any tricks on securing the > end > where the component is so the cooling > blast actually hits the fuel pump? Adel clamps stategically placed? > Pics? > > Thanks > Steve > RV7A flying soon! > ((((((((())))))))) I found a good bit of use for safety wire when securing the blast tubes to keep them aimed where wanted. Simple to use. Indiana Larry with one trip to OSH completed. > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:47 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Best place to get them? Anything special that needs to be done for the gap? Paul Besing Dan Checkoway wrote: They ought to work just fine with mags. I run UREM37BY plugs with my Slick mag on my IO-360-A1B6. Bottom plugs. I have yet to experience a fouled plug in more than 1000 hours. Granted, I have a Lightspeed Plasma II firing the top plugs, which must help...but at least the UREM37BY plugs on the bottom haven't had any issues. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1021 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Gary, any idea how these would work with a magneto ignition? My IO-360 on my -4 fouls the bottom plugs really easily, and have to be cleaned every oil change in order keep them running well. Paul Besing Vanremog@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:41:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, deanpichon@msn.com writes: I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less susceptible to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridium plugs or another type. Just switch to the REM37BY. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:52 PM PST US From: "az_gila" Subject: RV-List: Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: "az_gila" [quote="pbesing(at)yahoo.com"]Best place to get them?? Anything special that needs to be done for the gap? ? Paul Besing Vans sells them.... keep him in business.... :D His prices are good too.. gil in Tucson PS the Unison ones are shorter than the Champions, and allow a shorter socket... making easier removal on #3 and #4 were the side baffles are close. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50786#50786 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:34 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition --> RV-List message posted by: "Doug Weiler" I added some more photos to my Flickr page showing my LSE installation. Take a look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/n722dw/sets/72157594147109903/ Doug N722DW, 200 hours ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:08 AM > Dean, > > I have lots of detailed photos of my LSE installation. I have to run at > the moment but I'll get you some photos later today. > > Doug Weiler > N722DW, RV-4 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:33 AM > Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" >> >> >> Quick question on LSE: >> >> I've got the version with the sensor board that mounts behind the >> flywheel. >> Bad part of this setup is routing the sensor cable back to the controller >> box. I've tentatively routed this wire under the crankcase with and an >> adel >> clamp under one of the baffle bracket screws secures the wire up front. >> The >> wire runs under the engine at the base of the cylinders to the firewall. >> Problem is I don't really have any way to secure it down there. Those >> who >> have this setup, could you email me with some description or better yet, >> photos of what you did here? I need to resolve this somehow. Thanks. >> >> Dean Psiropoulos >> RV-6A N197DM >> Wiring, wiring and....wiring! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:34 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Sky Geek was cheapest last I checked. http://www.rvproject.com/pricewatch.html do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Best place to get them? Anything special that needs to be done for the gap? Paul Besing Dan Checkoway wrote: They ought to work just fine with mags. I run UREM37BY plugs with my Slick mag on my IO-360-A1B6. Bottom plugs. I have yet to experience a fouled plug in more than 1000 hours. Granted, I have a Lightspeed Plasma II firing the top plugs, which must help...but at least the UREM37BY plugs on the bottom haven't had any issues. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1021 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? Gary, any idea how these would work with a magneto ignition? My IO-360 on my -4 fouls the bottom plugs really easily, and have to be cleaned every oil change in order keep them running well. Paul Besing Vanremog@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:41:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, deanpichon@msn.com writes: I'd like to replace my Champion plugs with something that is less susceptible to fouling. I don't know whether I should go with just a new set Champions, or perhaps Iridium plugs or another type. Just switch to the REM37BY. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:16 PM PST US From: "az_gila" Subject: RV-List: Re: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? --> RV-List message posted by: "az_gila" Yeah... Dan... but..... Sky Geek is only 5 cents less than Vans.... I'd rather keep Vans in long term business than Sky Geek.... :D gil in Tucson ... trying to keep my $$$ where they do good.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50820#50820 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:49 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: PPG Paint Code Randy, The gray that Vans uses is a standard PPG color. It's called Pearl Gray. Paint code is 92783. This color code can be used for any PPG product. Most folks use their Concept or Delta products. I'm using the Delta (next step up from Concept) and I love it. The stuff is easy to spray, has great coverage and is tough as nails. Charlie Kuss > Hi List, I am trying to match colors in cockpit. Does anyone have > the PPG Paint Code to match the powder coat finished steel parts? > Thanks in advance. > >Randy Hooper >RV-8 > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:49 PM PST US From: "Michael D. Cencula" Subject: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Cencula" Greetings, I'm building the jig to bend the trailing edges of the elevators on my RV-7A. Does anyone know the correct bend radius for these trailing edges? Thanks, Mike ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:08 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Recommendations for Iridium plugs? In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:20:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pbesing@yahoo.com writes: Gary, any idea how these would work with a magneto ignition? My IO-360 on my -4 fouls the bottom plugs really easily, and have to be cleaned every oil change in order keep them running well. ======================================== Paul- I am running the REM37BY plugs with standard Slick Mags. Just gap them for .019" and they still won't foul like the old REM38E or REM40E massives. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:06 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:14:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actually using one so this one goes out to the list. =========================== Get the 3/4" dia port one from Wicks (P/N OIL-BS3/4) for around $50 and do the pot scrubber mod defined in the archives. It's a no brainer. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:47 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Thanks, it's more like $87.50 now and looks suspiciously like the $50 one in ACS! lucky -------------- Original message -------------- In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:14:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actually using one so this one goes out to the list. =========================== Get the 3/4" dia port one from Wicks (P/N OIL-BS3/4) for around $50 and do the pot scrubber mod defined in the archives. It's a no brainer. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
Thanks, it's more like $87.50 now and looks suspiciously like the $50 one in ACS!
 
lucky
 
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From: Vanremog@aol.com
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:14:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes:
Any make/model preference on these things?  I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue.  I don't know anyone who is actually using one so this one goes out to the list.
 
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Get the 3/4" dia port one from Wicks (P/N OIL-BS3/4) for around $50 and do the pot scrubber mod defined in the archives.  It's a no brainer.
 
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:46 PM PST US From: "Frank Stringham" Subject: RE: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) --> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" Mike I used an 1/8 inch wood dowel. I did tape the dowel in so it wood remain in position. and I also taped the bottom edge of the elevator to the bending break. I also couldn't believe how much force)it took to get the edge to be straight/true/and the correct radius. Frank @ SGU and SLC finish................ >From: "Michael D. Cencula" >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:58:48 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Cencula" > >Greetings, > >I'm building the jig to bend the trailing edges of the elevators on my >RV-7A. >Does anyone know the correct bend radius for these trailing edges? > >Thanks, > >Mike > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:46 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators In a message dated 7/30/2006 4:47:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: Thanks, it's more like $87.50 now and looks suspiciously like the $50 one in ACS! lucky -------------- Original message -------------- In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:14:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actually using one so this one goes out to the list. =========================== Get the 3/4" dia port one from Wicks (P/N OIL-BS3/4) for around $50 and do the pot scrubber mod defined in the archives. It's a no brainer. Ask ACS why they don't sell the 3/4" port version. They are made by the same company. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:37 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) In a message dated 7/30/2006 5:14:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fstringham@hotmail.com writes: I did tape the dowel in so it wood remain in position. No pun intended? Got wood? Do not archive. -GV ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:33 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) Mike, if you want a nice flying airplane in pitch feel use a 1/4" dowel. The tighter the radius, the heavier the airplane will be in pitch. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 7/30/06, Michael D. Cencula wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Michael D. Cencula" > > > Greetings, > > I'm building the jig to bend the trailing edges of the elevators on my > RV-7A. > Does anyone know the correct bend radius for these trailing edges? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:10 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators In a message dated 07/30/2006 12:14:53 PM Central Daylight Time, luckymacy@comcast.net writes: Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one? I found none on ebay for airplanes. I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find. >>>> See: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5172 and click >>Next Entry>> at top of page for more info on my prosecution of this "problem". Also, do NOT dump crap from separators back into your expen$ive engine- if the engine wanted this crap in there in the first place, it wouldn't have puked it out! Mark Phillips do not archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:27 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator trailing edge bend radius (RV-7A) Mike, On Drawing 4pp it shows 3/32 as the minimum bend radius. This was for .020 skins when I built mine about 5 years ago. Actually, I didn't put anything in to maintain that radius. But I did have a little trouble with the stiffeners limiting the travel. As a result the skins are not as smooth as they could be. I made my "brake" out of some old door jambs and hinges. It seems like it would be hard to keep a dowel in position. Let us know how it works out, please. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 7/30/2006 7:03:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, matronics@cencula.com writes: I'm building the jig to bend the trailing edges of the elevators on my RV-7A. Does anyone know the correct bend radius for these trailing edges? Thanks, Mike ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:28 PM PST US From: Kenyon Brooks Subject: RV-List: AirVenture 2006 Award Winning RVs Once again, the RV's were well represented among those earning awards at AirVenture. Congratulations to all, from one who appreciates anyone's project that is finished and flying! Ken Brooks N1903P RV-8 Finishing Roscoe, IL P.S. We had just started breaking camp this morning at Camp Scholler when we got clobbered by a storm that snapped the tent poles on one of our tents and tipped over 3 port-a-potties, one of which my wife had just been visiting minutes earlier! Worth the price of admission!! ------------------------------------ OUTSTANDING WORKMANSHIP Michael Quatacker, Porterville CA Q-8 N8MQ, N8MQ Dennis McCright, Montgomery TX RV-6, N16DD Gregory Johnson, Tucson AZ RV-6, N72AT Julian Smith, Hernando MS RV-8, N858JD Robert Watson, Phelan CA RV-9A, N194BN BRONZE LINDY James Miller, Sun Prairie WI RV-8, N312JM Alan Carroll, Madison WI RV-8, N12AC Mark Robinson, Vista CA RV-9A, N249GM Will Mensink RV-8, N361WM Richard McBride, Centerville VA RV-8, N523RJ Mark Navratil, Marion IA RV-8A, N2D Phillip Thompson, Lakeway, TX RV-7, N267RV DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:08 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators I'm not convinced on these things...not sure if the one on my purchased RV-4 is clogged or what, but the belly get's just as dirty in 4 flights than it would without one. I've got a return going into the crank case, and and exit going out by the exaust, and am getting ALOT of oil on the belly after 8-10 hours if I don't clean it regularly. Again, it may be clogged or something, but unfortunately there is no way to take it apart and see. Paul Besing lucky wrote: Any make/model preference on these things? I was surprised to see such a wide range of options in the ACS catalogue. I don't know anyone who is actally using one so this one goes out to the list. Anyone using the "experimental" $45 round one? I found none on ebay for airplanes. I thought this would be an easy salvage item to find. For those that are routing the oil back into the engine, are you modifying the dip stick housing to accept a return hose? thx, lucky do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:30 PM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: AirVenture 2006 Award Winning RVs That reminds me. Until I started building RVs, I didn't much pay attention to the riveting that puts the Porta-Potties together. But you can really do some nice things with those pulled rivets. (g) Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenyon Brooks Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:36 PM Once again, the RV's were well represented among those earning awards at AirVenture. Congratulations to all, from one who appreciates anyone's project that is finished and flying! Ken Brooks N1903P RV-8 Finishing Roscoe, IL P.S. We had just started breaking camp this morning at Camp Scholler when we got clobbered by a storm that snapped the tent poles on one of our tents and tipped over 3 port-a-potties, one of which my wife had just been visiting minutes earlier! Worth the price of admission!! ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:03 PM PST US From: Mark E Navratil Subject: RV-List: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH --> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil Hey guys, I'm reluctant to post this but feel like I need to share it in hopes it never happens again. I was at OSH this morning (Sunday) and due to the rain showers my 5-year old son Skyler and I decided to hang out at the flightline for a while until the wx improved for our flight home. There was a whole line of aircraft coming down the taxiway right in front of us to depart OSH. I noticed a white RV-6 with blue striped trim waiting in line a couple hundred feet from us, coming towards us, and right behind him was a huge TBM Avenger. The thought passed through my mind that somebody out working the flightline should be standing off to the side of the TBM to give him signals for taxiing, since it was virtually impossible for him to see the RV over his nose even with S-turns. My thoughts were interrupted by the roar of jet engines as a couple L-39's took off in formation followed by a couple Pitts Model 12's and other interesting aircraft. I looked back down the taxiway just in time to see the RV-6, now less than a hundred feet from us, coming to a stop with the TBM still right behind it. We watched in shock as the TBM continued right into the tail of the RV. At that moment I was only thinking about how bad it would be to have your tail chewed up by somebody's propeller, but that thought turned to horror as the TBM continued to move, wacking through the fuselage and sending strips of metal flying. When it got to the baggage compartment, clothing and other gear was being strewn into the air and across the grass. I should have closed my eyes before it got to the cockpit. I'll spare you the details but suffice it to say it was horrific. The prop on the TBM finally stopped somewhere in the vicinity of the rollbar / panel but of course by that time it was too late....the fire truck and other rescue personnel were there in moments by I knew there was nothing they could do but pull out the white sheet and drape it over the mess. I don't know who the unfortunate RV pilot was (and by the way, I'm not sure he was solo, but I think he was). Regardless, I've been feeling physically ill all day and the scene just keeps replaying in my mind. It seems like such a preventable accident....I know the poor guy in the Avenger will get the blame (and I sure feel sorry for him too!) but it was really a failure of the system when a spotter along side the TBM would have prevented this tragic loss of life. Even though there's probably nothing I could have done, I still feel sick about it, because I noticed the situation and regret that I didn't at least try to point it out to one of the busy flightline volunteers... I hope the folks at EAA make it standard policy from now on to have spotters available to help out any taildragger pilot who needs a second set of eyes for taxiing. And it's a good reminder to be extra vigilant not only at Oshkosh but at any airport to pay attention to who's behind you. We're used to looking right/left/forward when moving about the airport but if you're like me you don't worry too much about what's behind you. Well, when we left OSH this afternoon in the -8A, there was a T-6 behind us and I can guarantee you we were nervously checking our six about every 10 seconds to make sure he wasn't getting too close. My heartfelt condolences and deepest sympathies go out to the family of the unfortunate RV-6 pilot we lost today. --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D with 70+ hours of cheating death so far... ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:20 PM PST US From: Cory Emberson Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH --> RV-List message posted by: Cory Emberson Dear Mark, What an incredibly difficult thing to witness and write about. Thank you for keeping our safety in mind, and I share your condolences to all involved in this very tragic accident. best, Cory do not archive Mark E Navratil wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil > >Hey guys, > >I'm reluctant to post this but feel like I need to share it in hopes it >never happens again. I was at OSH this morning (Sunday) and due to the >rain showers my 5-year old son Skyler and I decided to hang out at the >flightline for a while until the wx improved for our flight home. There >was a whole line of aircraft coming down the taxiway right in front of us >to depart OSH. I noticed a white RV-6 with blue striped trim waiting in >line a couple hundred feet from us, coming towards us, and right behind >him was a huge TBM Avenger. The thought passed through my mind that >somebody out working the flightline should be standing off to the side of >the TBM to give him signals for taxiing, since it was virtually >impossible for him to see the RV over his nose even with S-turns. My >thoughts were interrupted by the roar of jet engines as a couple L-39's >took off in formation followed by a couple Pitts Model 12's and other >interesting aircraft. > >I looked back down the taxiway just in time to see the RV-6, now less >than a hundred feet from us, coming to a stop with the TBM still right >behind it. We watched in shock as the TBM continued right into the tail >of the RV. At that moment I was only thinking about how bad it would be >to have your tail chewed up by somebody's propeller, but that thought >turned to horror as the TBM continued to move, wacking through the >fuselage and sending strips of metal flying. When it got to the baggage >compartment, clothing and other gear was being strewn into the air and >across the grass. I should have closed my eyes before it got to the >cockpit. I'll spare you the details but suffice it to say it was >horrific. The prop on the TBM finally stopped somewhere in the vicinity >of the rollbar / panel but of course by that time it was too late....the >fire truck and other rescue personnel were there in moments by I knew >there was nothing they could do but pull out the white sheet and drape it >over the mess. > >I don't know who the unfortunate RV pilot was (and by the way, I'm not >sure he was solo, but I think he was). Regardless, I've been feeling >physically ill all day and the scene just keeps replaying in my mind. It >seems like such a preventable accident....I know the poor guy in the >Avenger will get the blame (and I sure feel sorry for him too!) but it >was really a failure of the system when a spotter along side the TBM >would have prevented this tragic loss of life. Even though there's >probably nothing I could have done, I still feel sick about it, because I >noticed the situation and regret that I didn't at least try to point it >out to one of the busy flightline volunteers... > >I hope the folks at EAA make it standard policy from now on to have >spotters available to help out any taildragger pilot who needs a second >set of eyes for taxiing. And it's a good reminder to be extra vigilant >not only at Oshkosh but at any airport to pay attention to who's behind >you. We're used to looking right/left/forward when moving about the >airport but if you're like me you don't worry too much about what's >behind you. Well, when we left OSH this afternoon in the -8A, there was >a T-6 behind us and I can guarantee you we were nervously checking our >six about every 10 seconds to make sure he wasn't getting too close. > >My heartfelt condolences and deepest sympathies go out to the family of >the unfortunate RV-6 pilot we lost today. > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D with 70+ hours of cheating death so far... > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:45 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Mark E Navratil wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Mark E Navratil > >Hey guys, > >I'm reluctant to post this but feel like I need to share it in hopes it >never happens again. > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Airshow_Fatality.html?source=mypi