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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Looking for Reports on new David Clark X-11 Headset (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
2. 04:51 AM - Rear Prop Gov. Questions (glen matejcek)
3. 05:09 AM - Re: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH (glen matejcek)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 05:20 AM - Re: Further thread on airborne weather services! (Jeff Dowling)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Dale Ensing)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (Lockamy, Jack L)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) ()
9. 09:26 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (James Clark)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (Vincent Welch)
11. 10:03 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (Rob Prior (rv7))
12. 10:21 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (kitfoxmike)
13. 10:39 AM - Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Steve Glasgow)
14. 11:28 AM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Dan Checkoway)
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Steve Glasgow)
16. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (sportav8r@aol.com)
17. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (sportav8r@aol.com)
18. 12:45 PM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Steve Glasgow)
19. 12:50 PM - Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (David Burnham)
20. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Darrell Reiley)
21. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH (Doc Custer)
22. 05:33 PM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other stuff (Michael)
23. 06:05 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (JOHN STARN)
24. 06:55 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Kevin Horton)
25. 09:20 PM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (Vanremog@aol.com)
26. 11:38 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
27. 11:40 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Reports on new David Clark X-11 Headset |
i read one yesterday on one of the yahoo RV lists yesterday (Reeve's web site).
In the end the person chose Bose over the new DC's and Telex. Look it up.
They tried to be relatively objective.
lucky
do not archive.
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Are there any RV pilots out there that can provide an objective report on this
new headset released at Oshkosh?
I am particularly interested in an evaluation in the noise environment of a typical
RV and how well the active noise cancellation works. The rest looked pretty
good at Oshkosh.
Thanks
Tom Olson
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<DIV>i read one yesterday on one of the yahoo RV lists yesterday (Reeve's web site).
In the end the person chose Bose over the new DC's and Telex.
Look it up. They tried to be relatively objective.</DIV>
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<DIV>lucky</DIV>
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<DIV>Are there any RV pilots out there that can provide an objective report on
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<DIV>I am particularly interested in an evaluation in the noise environment of
a typical RV and how well the active noise cancellation works. The
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| Subject: | Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan-
>I posted this last week, but didn't get answers.
Funny how that goes sometimes, with all the talent on this list!
>Maybe someone on the list could point me to a picture of a rear mounted
prop
>governor so I could get a feel for how much room there is. Probably an
>O-360 would be the same.
It appears on page 2-4 of parts catalog PC-406-1.
I've an RV-8 with an IO-360-A1B6D with a Czech gov on the back so there is
no direct correlation to your installation. My pad is about 7/8 thick and
I have about 4 1/8 between the rearmost part of the gov (the end of the
cable attach bolt) and the firewall.
I do believe that all the gov's except Woodward have the same (AN)
footprint.
According to what I get out of the parts catalog, the correct adaptor for
your installation would be #75545 if the case has studs and #78594 if your
installation uses cap screws. Perhaps there is a part number on the
adaptor you have? I wouldn't be at all surprised if you've got all you
need already!
Sorry I couldn't be of more direct assistance-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | RE: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Mark-
>I hate spreading misinformation so I apologize for not getting the fact
>s straight...
It seems to me that the things you reported as fact were correct, and your
interpretation of the events as entirely reasonable. Thank you for sharing
your observations as clearly and factually as you did. You have done the
rest of us a service while reporting on what must have been a gut wrenching
experience.
I hope the unfortunate events of the day don't have a lasting negative
impact upon either you, your son, or the passion that we all share.
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
Dale,
I think that other replies may have answered my question -- at least about
the adapter.
do not archive
Thanks,
Dan
In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:17:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
densing@carolina.rr.com writes:
Dan,
I'll try to get a decent picture tomorrow of my rear mounted govenor.
However, my set up is a Woodward govenor on a O-360 in a 6A. But, if you think
it
well help I'll send the picture.
Dale Ensing
Maybe someone on the list could point me to a picture of a rear mounted prop
governor so I could get a feel for how much room there is. Probably an
O-360 would be the same.
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Further thread on airborne weather services! |
You wont be able to get a signal at any kind of speed and altitude.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
295 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Morocketman@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: RV-List: Further thread on airborne weather services!
Has anyone tried a CELL PHONE weather system with success or failure?
Primarily due to limited cockpit space, I am considering buying a new
cell phone with a larger than average screen and using Velcro to attach
it to the panel.
Do you like/dislike your weather on the cell phone?
Whose service do you have/have tried in the past?
What problems does anyone see with it? i.e. Is it illegal to use cell
phone in an airplane?
What were the costs involved? Connection fee? Monthly service?
Additional minutes, etc?
Thanks listers, you are a walking encyclopedia of knowledge, Les
Featherston
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
What level (how many quarts) do you consider full oil ? and which
engine ?
Dale Ensing
do not archieve
Blow-by did not seem to be a problem (newly rebuilt) BUT too much oil
in the sump and ANY restriction of the vent line resulted in oil leaks.
If we overfill by a cup, we get a cup of oil on the belly. We did
reinstall the full sized rubber line with a high loop and that solved
our problem. Your invited out & can stick your finger up in the vent
line and you'll get it dirty but not enough oil to form a single drop.
I realize that this is anecdotal and your mileage may differ BUT you
would have to talk long & loud to get us to put any separator back on
N561FS. HRII IO-540 J4A5 Do Not Archive. KABONG (GBA & GWB)
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff |
I'm a bit confused.... was the accident RV and RV-6 (side-by-side) or
was it an RV-8 (tandem)? I can understand the passenger being killed in
an RV-8 while the pilot up-front survives, but I for life of me don't
understand how the pilot would have been able to survive in an RV-6!
I've read lots about this accident. Some report it as an RV-8... others
and RV-6. Which is it?
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
Rob I agree with you but no one has said it so I will, the
responsibility lies with the TBM pilot 100%. I am not being
accusatory, it was a tragic accident, an accident but an
accident that was preventable.
This is not the first time as you point out so instead of
blaming, since the TBM pilot no doubt has to deal with
this mentally, financially and legally; what can we learn?
What can we learn?
Well 20/20 hind sight, Monday Morning QB, I would say
if you are NOT 100% about where your plane is going
STOP (or get out of the way).
He could have called for wing walkers. Either pilots
for that matter could have called.
This happens at the airlines where pilots taxi into other
planes or jet ways. I suppose the RV could have pulled
off the taxiway or called for wing walkers for the TBM
himself.
The lesson learned, if faced with this scenario I
know I will do something to keep from being run over.
If following a plane I can't see, again I'll do something
to get the safety margin back. I relize it's easy to say
that now, I am not that smart but do have the luxury
of learning, and if I'm uncomfortable, I'll do something
about it.
I can tell you from this accident I will not ALLOW a big
Taildragger follow me in Stop-N-Go Congo line. I have
worried about this for years when a blind taildragger was
following me post air-show line up. I was constantly
turning 45 on the taxiway and looking over the shoulder.
Paranoid and not very comfortable. It does not have
to be a TBM, a Cessna 190 will ruin your day.
My procedure now is to wait for the line to go down. At
any show there is a rush to leave right after the field opens.
30 minutes is usually plenty to get most out of the way. 30,
45, 60 minutes is well worth the wait to make your departure
more efficient and safe. DON'T BE IN A HURRY. Wait and
watch the show after the show, the departures. Hopefully
there will only be safe departures to watch, no tragedies.
My thoughts and Priers to all and their families.
Sincerely George M RV-7/ATP/CFII_MEI
>posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
>Having seen almost the same scenario played out at
>Reno a number of years ago, with a Sea Fury taxiing up
>the back end of a Lancair, I can see how it happens. It's
>a large plane, with (I would guess) a high workload during
>taxi and run-up. Losing track of just how many small planes
>are in front of you would be very easy. In the incident I
>witnessed, the Lancair was pushed ahead enough by the
>impact that by the time the Sea Fury shut down he was
>still a foot from the cockpit. But the Lancair was still
>running, and as I recall it taxied itself further ahead before
>shutting down to get out and inspect the damage.
>
>Still, my condolences to all involved, if anyone here knows
>any of them. As someone pointed out, it was a relatively
>incident-free year at Oshkosh this year, it's unfortunate
>that this had to be one of the incidents.
>-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff |
Jack,
I think the initial (logical) speculation was that if it was an RV it would
have had to have been a tandem model. I think the more "official" word is
RV6.
I was not there but imagine that the first strike spins the tail a bit left
for somewhat of a right turn of the plane. That would put the person on the
left a bit more forward of the plane of the prop. This is pure speculation
of the geometry of things on my part. I have NO data to back this view up.
James
p.s. How is "beautiful paint scheme" holding up?? :-) :-)
On 8/1/06, Lockamy, Jack L <jack.lockamy@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> I'm a bit confused.... was the accident RV and RV-6 (side-by-side) or was
> it an RV-8 (tandem)? I can understand the passenger being killed in an RV-8
> while the pilot up-front survives, but I for life of me don't understand how
> the pilot would have been able to survive in an RV-6!
>
> I've read lots about this accident. Some report it as an RV-8... others
> and RV-6. Which is it?
>
> Jack
>
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This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
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| Subject: | Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Run a hanger or other stiff piece of wire through the inside of the blast
tube, bend it in any shape you like, then secure the hanger to the blast
tube with RTV. Clamp the tube to structure as required along the outside.
Vince Welch
RV-8A
>From: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming
>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:05:37 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
>RV7A - IO360
>I'm planning to install 5/8" blast tubes from baffling to fuel pump, 1 mag,
>and alternator.
>
>Routing and securing to baffling is easy but any tricks on securing the end
>where the component is so the cooling
>blast actually hits the fuel pump? Adel clamps stategically placed? Pics?
>
>Thanks
>Steve
>RV7A flying soon!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 8:55:42 2006-08-01 "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil> wrote:
> I'm a bit confused.... was the accident RV and RV-6 (side-by-side) or
> was it an RV-8 (tandem)? I can understand the passenger being killed
> in an RV-8 while the pilot up-front survives, but I for life of me
> don't understand how the pilot would have been able to survive in an
> RV-6!
Assuming the propellor rotates clockwise (from the pilot's perspective) on
a TBM, I would expect multiple hits on the rear fuselage of an RV-6 would
cause the RV to rotate clockwise (viewed from above), regardless of what
the pilot was doing with the brakes. There's a lot of momentum in that big
a propellor.
Or, maybe the TBM was rolling on a path slightly to the right of the path
of the RV, and only cut into the right-hand side of the fuselage.
In any case, the plane has been officially confirmed to be an RV-6.
C-FNQP, Registered to Bill Reed of Carp, Ontario.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike@yahoo.com>
This accident hit me hard because I thought of it being me and the copilot being
my wife. I remember just a few weeks ago at arlington. seems that there were
a group of planes that thought they were the cats meow when I was already cleared
to land that had to just cut right in front of me, I of course turned right
and did a go around. then on departure on sunday I had an incident(or potential
incident) where 34 was the active runway all weekend, and I was departing
at 6:30 in the morning before the tower opened and about 5 planes had already
departed in about 5 minute seperations on 34. I got to the runway and announced
my departure and lined up on the runway ready to push the throttle when
I heard two planes giving intentions to depart on 16. I radiod that I was powering
up on 34, no response, I aborted takeoff and while turning off the runway
made another radio call, still no response, just as I got off the runway, two
low wing small aircraft, one red, departed and flew right over us. I know
my radio worked because the cessna after me said some things and I did also to
these jerks on the radio to them, and of course no response.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
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| Subject: | Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Recent Oil Analyses seem to be showing increased levels of copper coming
from my XP-360. The engine has a total of 265 hours and I use Aeroshell
15/50.
My last three oil analyses were flagged at 15.3, 19.5 and 36.3 P/M, average
interval 30 hours between oil changes.
I'm hoping it is about to peak and will start to go down soon.
An oil analysis article by Lycoming says the following: "Differences in
manufacturing process may cause a variation in analysis results for
different engine models. The amount of tin plating, copper plating, etc,
performed during manufacture has a definite relationship to the oil analysis
reports. It is not uncommon, to see what seems to be high copper content
early in the life of an engine, only to have this content continually
decrease as the engine accumulates time, and then disappear altogether.
Has anyone else experienced high copper? Did it go away? If so when?
What specifically does "early in the life" and "as the engine accumulates
time" mean?
Comments and suggestions welcome.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
What does your engine builder say about it?
FWIW, my copper did go down a bit over time but has had some variation:
http://rvimg.com/images/2006/20060703_oil_analysis.jpg
(NOTE: I switched from hobbs to tach hours on the 3rd analysis)
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1021 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:36 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Recent Oil Analyses seem to be showing increased levels of copper coming
> from my XP-360. The engine has a total of 265 hours and I use Aeroshell
> 15/50.
>
> My last three oil analyses were flagged at 15.3, 19.5 and 36.3 P/M,
> average interval 30 hours between oil changes.
>
> I'm hoping it is about to peak and will start to go down soon.
>
> An oil analysis article by Lycoming says the following: "Differences in
> manufacturing process may cause a variation in analysis results for
> different engine models. The amount of tin plating, copper plating, etc,
> performed during manufacture has a definite relationship to the oil
> analysis reports. It is not uncommon, to see what seems to be high copper
> content early in the life of an engine, only to have this content
> continually decrease as the engine accumulates time, and then disappear
> altogether.
>
> Has anyone else experienced high copper? Did it go away? If so when?
>
> What specifically does "early in the life" and "as the engine accumulates
> time" mean?
>
> Comments and suggestions welcome.
>
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> N123SG RV-8
> Cappy's Toy
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Dan,
I'm still waithing to hear back from Superior and Bart.
Cappy
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
Cappy, I believe there's a fair amount of copper in Aeroshell 15W-50 itself, due
to the antiwear additive it contains, but I'm at work and my oil analysis reports
are at home... I would offer a comparison with my results if I could.
-Stormy
do not archive
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Sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 2:45 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Dan,
I'm still waithing to hear back from Superior and Bart.
Cappy
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
My goof... it's not copper _in_ the oil as manufactured, it's apparently a leaching
phenomenon from TCP:
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/GArticles/Copper.html
Google "copper aeroshell oil 15w-50" to learn more than you ever wanted to know
about this, and some urban myths besides ;-)
-Stormy
you do realize you've given me something new to worry about, don't you, Cappy ?!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 2:45 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Dan,
I'm still waithing to hear back from Superior and Bart.
Cappy
--------
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
Thanks Stormy,
That was a great article on Aeroshell 15/50. To bad they changed the formula.
OH well!
Cappy
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Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming |
Steve,
For the Mag I attached a clamp to engine and just aimed the tube at the mag.
For the Alternator, there isn't any convenient place to attach a clamp. I
took a piece of wire, bent loops at each end the size of the outside
diameter of the tube. Bent them 90 degrees, slipped them over the tube and
then bent the wire so that it was "aimed correctly" I used RTV to keep wire
in place.
I don'thave one to the fuel pump
Seems to work so far
Dave Burnham
On 7/29/06, Steve & Denise <sjhdcl@kingston.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>
> RV7A - IO360
> I'm planning to install 5/8" blast tubes from baffling to fuel pump, 1
> mag,
> and alternator.
>
> Routing and securing to baffling is easy but any tricks on securing the
> end
> where the component is so the cooling
> blast actually hits the fuel pump? Adel clamps stategically
> placed? Pics?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
> RV7A flying soon!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
You would think the company doing your analysis would
know about Aeroshell formulas and be up to date on any
changes the may have made...? Or am I wrong?
Darrell
do not archive
--- Steve Glasgow <willfly@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve Glasgow"
> <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
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> Thanks Stormy,
>
> That was a great article on Aeroshell 15/50. To bad
> they changed the formula. OH well!
>
> Cappy
>
> --------
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> Cappy's Toy
> RV-8 N123SG
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TBM Avenger / RV-6 accident at OSH |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doc Custer" <ddcuster@wmv-co.us>
Amen!
Well said.
I for one agree with glen that your reporting was excellent and reasonable.
And that you did the list a real service.
I pray that you and your son have no lasting ill effects from witnessing
this tragedy and that the short term effects will indeed be short term.
Doc Custer
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:06 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Mark-
>
>>I hate spreading misinformation so I apologize for not getting the fact
>>s straight...
>
> It seems to me that the things you reported as fact were correct, and your
> interpretation of the events as entirely reasonable. Thank you for
> sharing
> your observations as clearly and factually as you did. You have done the
> rest of us a service while reporting on what must have been a gut
> wrenching
> experience.
>
> I hope the unfortunate events of the day don't have a lasting negative
> impact upon either you, your son, or the passion that we all share.
>
> glen matejcek
> aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other stuff |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Michael" <cubflyr@comcast.net>
OK: after thinking about this for a while (all day) several things came to
mind. One is the L-31s taking off. What a noisy, interesting, fun
distraction. Obviously, most everyone was watching them take off and were
distracted; they are loud and hard to ignore, especially a formation
departure. The Walter Mitty in us all. We sometimes do that in our RVs, just
not so loudly. Maybe that was a factor. Many of the pilots in line on the
taxi way were probably also watching them go. Losing situational awareness.
We have all been there.
When I find myself not doing things the way I would like, it is usually when
I am being distracted, not following my usual and customary routine.
Example: my GPS temporarily bit the dust about half way to OSH. Nothing
worked, including the VNAV I use to get to pattern altitude at a reasonable
time. I also rely on the GPS to tell me what runways are at my destination
(that routine may change now) at an already sort of familiar airport. SO: I
thought I remember it being 14, so got on downwind and mumbled 'Suzie Q on
left downwind for kfjaawoiehhr, full stop.' I then was able to see the
number and base leg, and didn't mumble it (there was no other traffic to
listen for the active). Half flaps on downwind, full on base, landing speed
established on the "rail", land. I have a little green light I turn on when
I am in my landing configuration, similar to a 'gear down and locked' light,
just to confirm I have done everything on the landing check list and am
ready to land. (OK: a little obsessive compulsive, but it works for me...)
After I landed, I looked down and the light was not on. Neither was the fuel
pump nor the carb heat. I was amazed and felt momentarily slightly
inadequate. Good thing my gear is down and welded. Doesn't happen very often
but just that series of (simple) distractions was enough for a
inconsequential bit of forgetfulness.
I find I am most distracted when with a passenger, so I am extra vigilant
(there's that word again), making sure I am paying attention to those
critical things. I occasionally will tell my passenger 'wait a minute. I
need to do some stuff here for a little while' to let them know I may be
ignoring them for a while and doing 'pilot things'.
PAY ATTENTION. Be HERE now.
Nuff said.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
HR II, IO-540 J4A5, 8 1/2 in the dipstick. HRII is taildragger so
anything with a nose gear might change the reading. "Your" engine will
tell you when it has too much and throws out the excess until it's
happy.
Your mileage may differ. KABONG Do Not Archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators
What level (how many quarts) do you consider full oil ? and which
engine ?
Dale Ensing
do not archieve
Blow-by did not seem to be a problem (newly rebuilt) BUT too much
oil in the sump and ANY restriction of the vent line resulted in oil
leaks. If we overfill by a cup, we get a cup of oil on the belly. We did
reinstall the full sized rubber line with a high loop and that solved
our problem. Your invited out & can stick your finger up in the vent
line and you'll get it dirty but not enough oil to form a single drop.
I realize that this is anecdotal and your mileage may differ BUT you
would have to talk long & loud to get us to put any separator back on
N561FS. HRII IO-540 J4A5 Do Not Archive. KABONG (GBA & GWB)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 31 Jul 2006, at 10:19, rveighta wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: rveighta
> I'm sure I'm far from being the most knowledgeble builder on the list,
> but it seems to me that automotive mfgrs recycle oil back through
> their
> engines without detriment and without puddles of oil on the garage
> floor.
Autos are burning fuel without lead, in liquid-cooled engines with
smaller bores that can have much tighter clearances. I'm betting
there is less blow by in an auto engine, and the blow by will contain
different stuff. Plus automotive and aviation oil have different
additive packages. Current automotive engines were designed to
accept the blow by gasses, but I believe it goes into the induction
air, rather than back into the oil as some have proposed for our
aircraft engines.
The auto engine experience may not be relevant. Given the cost of
engine overhauls, I'm not too keen to put something different inside
my engine (crud from the air-oil separator), unless there is a huge
wealth of service experience behind it.
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:41:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
willfly@carolina.rr.com writes:
Recent Oil Analyses seem to be showing increased levels of copper coming
from my XP-360. The engine has a total of 265 hours and I use Aeroshell
15/50.
===========================
It may be that the Triphenyl Phosphate (TPP) in that particular brand
multi-vis oil is leaching the copper from your bearings as it is suspected of
doing. Try changing to the better straight weight oils without the TPP. If you
insist on using a multi-vis oil there are other brands without it.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 802hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Official RV-List Usage Guidelines |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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