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1. 02:06 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (RAS)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (sportav8r@aol.com)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Charles Heathco)
4. 07:01 AM - slight mishap at Oshkosh (Dave Mader)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
7. 07:29 AM - Installing Fuel Lines in RV-7A, 9A (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
8. 07:29 AM - TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Frazier, Vincent A)
9. 07:39 AM - Oswego? (Vincent Welch)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss)
11. 07:56 AM - Re: Oswego? ()
12. 09:28 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (linn Walters)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Darrell Reiley)
14. 10:31 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (N395V)
15. 10:59 AM - avionics ordering tip (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
16. 12:27 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Morocketman@aol.com)
17. 12:42 PM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (Morocketman@aol.com)
18. 01:34 PM - Vacuum pump fitting (J. R. Dial)
19. 02:35 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
20. 02:48 PM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
21. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: exhaust bolt torque (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
22. 03:04 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (scott bilinski)
23. 03:19 PM - ADV. BrownTool - Used 90 Degree Threaded Drills (BrownTool@aol.com)
24. 03:36 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (JOHN STARN)
25. 04:00 PM - AN4-73 bolts (John Porter)
26. 04:47 PM - Re: AN4-73 bolts (Olen Goodwin)
27. 05:01 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (J. R. Dial)
28. 05:32 PM - Copper in oil XP-360 (RScott)
29. 05:56 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (RV6 Flyer)
30. 06:10 PM - AN4-73 bolts (James H Nelson)
31. 06:39 PM - Accident photos (Jerry Springer)
32. 07:20 PM - Re: Accident photos (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
33. 07:58 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
34. 09:46 PM - Re: Accident photos (Rob Prior (rv7))
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff |
Hi All,
if there's sufficient forward motion and the space between two blades on
the prop is big enough I can see one blade hitting and the next one
coming out slighlty forward(but terribly close) to next occupant.
I would guess from what I have seen in the posts on this subject that
there was considerable forward speed with the TBM, for (I guess) the TBM
would have stopped before hitting the cabin. If the TBM didn't see the
RV at all he might have concluded there was quite a gap between himself
and the a/c in front of the RV and opened the throttle somewhat to close
the gap.
Marcel
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| Subject: | Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 |
Cappy, my first oil analysis showed copper at 39, then a slow steady drop into
the 5-12 range where it has remained for the past 550 hours since break-in. I
always use 15W-50 and a 50hr change interval, usually add 1-2 qts in the 50 hr
interval.
HTH
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:12 AM
In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:41:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, willfly@carolina.rr.com
writes:
Recent Oil Analyses seem to be showing increased levels of copper coming
from my XP-360. The engine has a total of 265 hours and I use Aeroshell
15/50.
===========================
It may be that the Triphenyl Phosphate (TPP) in that particular brand multi-vis
oil is leaching the copper from your bearings as it is suspected of doing. Try
changing to the better straight weight oils without the TPP. If you insist
on using a multi-vis oil there are other brands without it.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 802hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
Enough may have been said about this, but my 320 will throw out anything
over 7 qt, and I let it go down to 6 1/2 qt where I keep it and I get
very little oil on the belly at that reading. As for the separators,
from what I have heard from a few who had them, they are a waste of
money. Charlie Heathco
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| Subject: | slight mishap at Oshkosh |
List..
After 20 some years of attending Oshkosh and flying into there 6 times I
finally had a minor incident while landing. On Thurs. morning they were
landing aircraft on runway 18. After touchdown in my RV6, the tower
instructed me to exit the runway onto the grass immediately. This is common
practice and as I turned off the runway to the right I heard a disheartening
crunch. As there were 4 airplanes on final right behind me, and the
airplane seemed to taxi o.k., I kept going. After a long taxi to the
tie-down area I got out and looked and sure enough, my right wheel pant was
pretty much destroyed. As I suspected, I had hit a runway light. No ones
fault but my own, but it is very difficult to see anything directly off to
the right in a taildragger 6. We ended up taking the pants off and made it
home no problem. Just a heads up out there for anyone to keep in mind if
they happen to be in that situation. It is just not an ordinary
circumstance to "depart runway and taxi onto the grass". It is a situation
you hardly ever duplicate at your home airport. As an aside, I flew into
Osh. 3 years ago with a Vari-Eze that had never attended before. He was
given the same instructions and completely destroyed his nose gear. Didn't
hit anything, but the ground was just too rough. Finally got home after 2
days of repair. Keep in mind there are objects along the side of the
runway and the ground there can be very hard on your gear.
Dave Mader
RV-6
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
>
>I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions.
>
>I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has
>been flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor.
>
>Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the
>thickness of the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an
>IO-360-A1A? I have an old one that measures about 2 1/16
>inches. Is there a thinner one available? The dimension I need is
>from the accessory case to the prop governor itself.
>
>Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my
>IO-360-A1D6 work on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell
>there is about 3 percent difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs
>0.895. I would assume that the governor could be adjusted for this
>difference. Is there some other reason why it won't work?
>
>Thanks,
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A
Dan,
My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from
the gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I
suspect that your governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces
after the conversion, the unit can be modified by any competent prop shop.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
Charlie,
What plane and engine do you have?
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Dan
In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:06:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chaztuna@adelphia.net writes:
I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions.
I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has been
flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor.
Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the thickness of
the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an IO-360-A1A? I have an
old one that measures about 2 1/16 inches. Is there a thinner one available?
The dimension I need is from the accessory case to the prop governor itself.
Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my IO-360-A1D6 work
on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell there is about 3 percent
difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs 0.895. I would assume that the governor
could be adjusted for this difference. Is there some other reason why it
won't work?
Thanks,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
Dan,
My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from the
gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I suspect that your
governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces after the conversion, the unit
can be modified by any competent prop shop.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Installing Fuel Lines in RV-7A, 9A |
Fuselage builders,
I thought that I'd pass this along since I have never seen it in print
before, and it was not in the manual, at least when I built my airplane.
In the plans it says to install the main landing gear brackets, and two
pages later to install the fuel lines. What we are talking about here are the
two lines that come from the tank fittings through the fuselage sides to the
selector valve.
The bottom line is that if you install the fuel line at the same time you
install the landing gear bracket, you can do it a lot easier and better.
Bend the joggle in the line on your workbench. Slide the line through the
bracket and the removed F-782B cover support rib. Then slide the line through
the hole in the fuselage and slide the gear bracket into position. It is a
little bit of a struggle, but much easier to do than if the gear bracket is
bolted in.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to
offer some info and some related experiences.
I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great
fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of
visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about
S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please.
In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less
than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of
RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered
me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV
buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable
visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower
speed.
So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD
screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard
lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks...
next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left
cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all.
The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and
works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to
sunlight glare.
Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can
simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE
S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my
words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.)
I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and
find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway
lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all
sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot
asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my
"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his
head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too
much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I
know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his?
http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info
Vince
FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back
seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display.
Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear
seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100%
useful.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" <welchvincent@hotmail.com>
Has anyone heard if Oswego will be holding their fly in this year? They are
normally talking about it on the list by this time.
Vince Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
Dan
I'm building an 8A. I'm using a parallel valve 360. The governor
is out of an old Apache, but has been converted for use with my current setup.
Charlie
>
> Charlie,
>
>What plane and engine do you have?
>
>do not archive
>
>Dan
>
>
>In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:06:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>chaztuna@adelphia.net writes:
>
>>
>>I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions.
>>
>>I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has
>>been flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor.
>>
>>Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the
>>thickness of the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an
>>IO-360-A1A? I have an old one that measures about 2 1/16
>>inches. Is there a thinner one available? The dimension I need is
>>from the accessory case to the prop governor itself.
>>
>>Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my
>>IO-360-A1D6 work on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell
>>there is about 3 percent difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs
>>0.895. I would assume that the governor could be adjusted for this
>>difference. Is there some other reason why it won't work?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan Hopper
>>RV-7A
>
>Dan,
> My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from
> the gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I
> suspect that your governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces
> after the conversion, the unit can be modified by any competent prop shop.
>Charlie Kuss
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: <rickgray@adelphia.net>
Hi Vince,
You can always 'google' this stuff:
http://www.eaachapter486.com/RVInfo.htm
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
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> Has anyone heard if Oswego will be holding their fly in this year? They are
> normally talking about it on the list by this time.
>
>
> Vince Welch
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
I'm amazed at some of the reactions tosome solutions to a problem.
Yours was a great solution (IMHO). I have the same problem in my
Pitts, but no place to put a screen. When I land after a formation
flight I always have that nagging feeling that my 12 traffic on the
runway is about to be eaten. There's always plenty of room by the time
I've slowed down where I can take a look ..... but that nagging feeling
is always there. I really like the camera solution ..... better than
the multiple mirrir setuo in the cabanes!!!
Linn
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Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
>Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to
>offer some info and some related experiences.
>
>I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great
>fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of
>visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about
>S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please.
>
>In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less
>than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of
>RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered
>me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV
>buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable
>visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower
>speed.
>
>So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD
>screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard
>lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks...
>next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left
>cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all.
>The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and
>works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to
>sunlight glare.
>
>Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can
>simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE
>S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my
>words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.)
>I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and
>find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway
>lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all
>sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
>
>Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot
>asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my
>"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his
>head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too
>much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I
>know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his?
>
>http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info
>
>Vince
>
>FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back
>seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display.
>Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear
>seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100%
>useful.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Vince,
What a great idea! Safety should be our #1 concern.
You took something simple and put it to work for you
and others. If we don't police ourselves, it won't be
long and someone else will.
Thanks!
Darrell
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--- "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier@usi.edu> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
> <VFrazier@usi.edu>
>
> Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few
> comments just to
> offer some info and some related experiences.
>
> I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours
> now. It's great
> fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of
> which is the lack of
> visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I
> know all about
> S-turns, so save your breath on those comments
> please.
>
> In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6
> until it was much less
> than 100' away if the big nose was in the way.
> Since we had a couple of
> RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years
> ago, it really bothered
> me that the blind spot was, well... huge and
> inconvenient. My RV
> buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had
> reasonable
> visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at
> a much slower
> speed.
>
> So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add
> a camera and LCD
> screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera
> (VC-806B, standard
> lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a
> few hundred bucks...
> next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is
> mounted in the left
> cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to
> bother it at all.
> The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted
> under the panel and
> works well even in bright sun, although it isn't
> quite 100% immune to
> sunlight glare.
>
> Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as
> needed, but often can
> simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation.
> IT DOESN'T REPLACE
> S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm
> trying to choose my
> words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed
> for being DIFFERENT.)
> I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of
> my ground ops and
> find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see
> pop cans, runway
> lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the
> pavement, etc, etc.... all
> sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!!
>
> Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh
> a warbird pilot
> asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told
> him that it was my
> "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked
> away shaking his
> head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he
> didn't think too
> much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent
> accidents (that I
> know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is
> correct, mine or his?
>
>
http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm
> for more info
>
> Vince
>
> FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT
> EFIS info to the back
> seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a
> slave display.
> Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the
> GRT info to the rear
> seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as
> elegant, but 100%
> useful.
>
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
> I guess that he didn't think too
> much of my system or my skills.
Since seeing your install have purchased the components for my plane. Recent episode
at OSH has added new impetus to get off my lazy butt and install it.
Vince's install below
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51823#51823
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| Subject: | avionics ordering tip |
--> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Here is a small tip for those of you considering ordering a GRT EFIS along
with Garmin avionics from Stark Avionics.
For a small fee, Stark provided the wiring harnesses for my SL-40 comm,
GTX-327 transponder, and PS Engineering intercom with lead lengths I
specified. They did a nice neat job and I was glad I did it. However,
what I didnt realize at the time was that the EFIS and SL-40 can talk to
each other using serial input and output so that multiple airport
frequencies can be automatically loaded into the comm for easy access. To
do this, you will need to specifically request from Stark that the harness
for the comm include the serial input and output pins. Otherwise, if you
want to make use of this feature, you will have to undo Starks nice neat
job and add the wire leads in yourself.
Similarly, as desired, the EFIS can automatically switch the transponder
from standby to on when it determines your flight has begun, but this
requires an additional serial input lead to the transponder, which also
must be specifically requested to be included in the harness.
You can obviously do this all yourself after the fact, but if you are
having Stark do the harnesses anyway, why mess up his nice neat job and
re-do it?
The above probably also applies to other EFIS brands, and possibly other
avionics vendors, but I have no experience with those.
regards,
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators! I had too much oil on the
belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried everything I could think of
regarding the vent line size, loop up and over, aimed at the exhaust, etc.
The Separator did no good at all.
I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and vola!
I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding one pint
sometimes. But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming manual says 12 qt
system, with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of 2 qts. Yes! Two quarts
minimum. I can't remember my IO-360 minimum, but recall that it was equally
scary. Give it a try-------you'll like it.
Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff |
Sorry to report that as of August 2nd, I heard that the FAA is reporting that
the pilot of the RV-6 was very seriously injured.
Les
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| Subject: | Vacuum pump fitting |
I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that
rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the
fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it
is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or
is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in
RV6s use?
You can answer direct to my email.
Thanks,
Dick Dial
N89DD
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum pump fitting |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrdial@hal-pc.org
writes:
> I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that
> rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the
> fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it
> is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or
> is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in
> RV6s use?
>
> You can answer direct to my email.
> Thanks,
> Dick Dial
> N89DD
=============================
Dick:
You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following questions:
1 - Which engine mount are you referring to?
2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and give me
a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are available.
My general response is:
As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount (dynalfocal)
the vacuum Pump will fit.
You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump?
The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to have
things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN!
The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the
special wrench to tighten that one.
The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a problem.
Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively.
Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not use
Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly most
people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe use.
But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the fitting
is still loose.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
Thanks Charlie and others for the info.
Here are a few more questions I have:
As far as I can tell from my measurements with the engine not assembled yet,
it looks like the end of the governor will come back about even with the
firewall. Does anyone else with a -7A know if this is OK? In other words, it
is OK for the governor to extend into the recess a little? Will it clear the
sides of the recess enough to allow for engine movement?
Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets
thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess.
Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve?
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:53:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chaztuna@adelphia.net writes:
Dan
I'm building an 8A. I'm using a parallel valve 360. The governor is out of
an old Apache, but has been converted for use with my current setup.
Charlie
Charlie,
What plane and engine do you have?
do not archive
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust bolt torque |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 7/30/06 2:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bicyclop@pacbell.net writes:
> Watch out for those crush type exhaust gaskets. I had one of those burn
> through allowing the nuts to loosen and fall off. The pipe was found
> hanging (barely) on the end of the stud. I replaced it with a solid
> "blow proof" gasket. I checked the other 3 gaskets when we got home and
> they all showed signs of damage and some leakage. Replaced all. 700
> hours on engine at the time.
>
> Ed Holyoke
======================
Ed:
You are 100% right on!
A cheep friend, purchased a set of those soft -- gaskets (guaranteed to
blowout) and not one, but two of them were totally burnt out and missing. The
exhaust pipes were just barely hanging there. There was so much noise but he was
more interested in flying than looking under the cowl. In the process he also
ruined two exhaust mounting studs. So did he save any money? I don't think
so! ! !
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
I had a bunch of oil on the belly, the fix, cheap ACS round air oil seperator with
2 stainless pot scrubbers stuffed inside. Now, no oil on the belly, just a
slight mist about 1~2 feet back from the tube which is not on the exhaust. I
have made a few for others but dont know if they monitor the list here to comment.
Morocketman@aol.com wrote: Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators!
I had too much oil on the belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried
everything I could think of regarding the vent line size, loop up and over,
aimed at the exhaust, etc. The Separator did no good at all.
I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and vola!
I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding one pint sometimes.
But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming manual says 12 qt system,
with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of 2 qts. Yes! Two quarts minimum.
I can't remember my IO-360 minimum, but recall that it was equally scary.
Give it a try-------you'll like it.
Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours.
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| Subject: | ADV. BrownTool - Used 90 Degree Threaded Drills |
Many of you might have already seen this announcement on the VansAirForce
website, but if not...
Just a quick announcement to let everyone know we have just received a large
shipment (over 300 pieces!) of used/surplus JIFFY Brand 90 Degree Threaded
Drill Motors from a major west coast aircraft manufacturer. JIFFY is one of
the most respected brands in the aircraft assembly industry and their products
are top notch. New, these drills would cost well over $450, but while
supplies last, we are offering them for only $155. This is an excellent opportunity
to own a top quality, production grade threaded drill for a fraction of its
"new" cost. They are used, complete with all of the nicks and scratches you
would expect to see on a used tool, but they are in perfectly good operational
condition and have been thoroughly tested. Complete with a 30 day
unconditional satisfaction guarantee and FREE UPS Ground Shipping within the
continental USA.
You can find these on our website at _www.browntool.com_
(http://www.browntool.com) - click on the "products" button and then click on the "surplus /
used tools" button. Or of course you can call us at 1-800-587-3883 with any
questions.
Thanks for taking a look - and thanks to all of our RV customers, we
sincerely appreciate your business!
Michael Brown
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co.
2536 S.E. 15th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73129
USA
405-688-6888
_browntool@aol.com_ (mailto:browntool@aol.com)
_www.browntool.com_ (http://www.browntool.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
Both figures were for HRII N561FS, 9 1/2 to 10 at the oil change. 8 1/2
on the dip stick is "normal" cold operating range +/- half a quart.
KABONG Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Morocketman@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators
Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators! I had too much oil on
the belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried everything I
could think of regarding the vent line size, loop up and over, aimed at
the exhaust, etc. The Separator did no good at all.
I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and
vola! I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding
one pint sometimes. But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming
manual says 12 qt system, with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of
2 qts. Yes! Two quarts minimum. I can't remember my IO-360 minimum,
but recall that it was equally scary. Give it a try-------you'll like
it.
Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours.
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Hi there,
Looking for a source of an AN4-73 bolt. Yeah, long one. Want to
use it in the rudder pedal with alum tubing over it to act as a bar to
place my foot on to avoid dragging the brakes inadvertently. I have a
note into Aircraft Spruce, but if someone has a source, I'd be glad to
hear it.
Thanks,
John Porter
#80002
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| Subject: | Re: AN4-73 bolts |
Try Genuine Aircraft Hardware, http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com
Olen Goodwin
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Porter
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts
Hi there,
Looking for a source of an AN4-73 bolt. Yeah, long one. Want to
use it in the rudder pedal with alum tubing over it to act as a bar to
place my foot on to avoid dragging the brakes inadvertently. I have a
note into Aircraft Spruce, but if someone has a source, I'd be glad to
hear it.
Thanks,
John Porter
#80002
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| Subject: | Vacuum pump fitting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
The vacuum pump is on the engine but will have to be removed to
install the inlet fitting which is no problem but it sure looks like the
90 degree inlet fitting is going to hit the dynafocal mount.
Thanks
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FLYaDIVE@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:28 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jrdial@hal-pc.org
writes:
> I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that
> rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and
the
> fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that
it
> is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal
or
> is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360
in
> RV6s use?
>
> You can answer direct to my email.
> Thanks,
> Dick Dial
> N89DD
=============================
Dick:
You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following
questions:
1 - Which engine mount are you referring to?
2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and
give me
a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are
available.
My general response is:
As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount
(dynalfocal)
the vacuum Pump will fit.
You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump?
The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to
have
things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN!
The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the
special wrench to tighten that one.
The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a
problem.
Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively.
Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not
use
Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly
most
people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe
use.
But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the
fitting
is still loose.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the
third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Copper in oil XP-360 |
FWIW, I've been running oil samples for a friend (I have access to a
spectrometer used for O/A for other than for Gen. Aviation) & here are
the copper readings in his Aerosport O-320: 13, 28.3, 30.6, 32.6, 29.9,
16.8, 15.9, 11.3, & 8.3 All readings are parts per million. Twice, we
ran samples on new oil and found zero copper in the oil. I don't have
engine time info, but the first sample was in April of '02 and the
latest was last December. He has flown his RV-6A about 500 hours, so it
appears the highest reading occurred at around 200 hrs. Also, I don't
know what oil he is using, but I think it is Aeroshell.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Oil Separators |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Have tried with and without oil separator and with modified oil separator.
There is less blow by with the oil separator and even less with the Scott
Billinski modified oil separator. After the number of hour on the airplane,
there is still oil on the belly but some of it is from the SMOKE system. The
smoke system makes the belly easier to clean as it softens the exhaust gas
deposits.
The drain from the oil separator goes back into the engine and has always
done so. Note the numbers of hours in the past almost 9 years of flying.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,921+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
John, How about some rubber tubing?
Jim
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--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Not sure if these have been posted here or not, sorry if this link has
already been posted.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=63452&postcount=12
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too. What the hell do you do once you've made
that big of a mistake? How does that person pick up the pieces an move on?
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer
>
> Not sure if these have been posted here or not, sorry if this link has
> already been posted.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=63452&postcount=12
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too. What the hell do you do once
you've made that big of a mistake? How does that person pick up the pieces
an move on?</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Vacuum pump fitting |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
Dick:
would recommend that you:
1 - Remove the pump from the engine.
2 -Set up the input fitting in a direction that will not hit the dynafocal
mount.
3 - Reinstall the pump to the engine.
As mentioned before the only difficult part is that you will need the special
vacuum pump wrench.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the
third
time."
Yamashiada
===================================================
--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
The vacuum pump is on the engine but will have to be removed to
install the inlet fitting which is no problem but it sure looks like the
90 degree inlet fitting is going to hit the dynafocal mount.
Thanks
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FLYaDIVE@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:28 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jrdial@hal-pc.org
writes:
> I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that
> rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and
the
> fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that
it
> is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal
or
> is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360
in
> RV6s use?
>
> You can answer direct to my email.
> Thanks,
> Dick Dial
> N89DD
=============================
Dick:
You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following
questions:
1 - Which engine mount are you referring to?
2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and
give me
a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are
available.
My general response is:
As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount
(dynalfocal)
the vacuum Pump will fit.
You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump?
The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to
have
things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN!
The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the
special wrench to tighten that one.
The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a
problem.
Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively.
Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not
use
Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly
most
people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe
use.
But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the
fitting
is still loose.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the
third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 19:13:24 2006-08-02 luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) wrote:
> I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too. What the hell do you do once
> you've made that big of a mistake? How does that person pick up the
> pieces an move on?
Well, a Sony lipstick camera and a small LCD monitor may be a good start.
-Rob
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