---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/02/06: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (RAS) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Copper in Oil, XP-360 (sportav8r@aol.com) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Charles Heathco) 4. 07:01 AM - slight mishap at Oshkosh (Dave Mader) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 7. 07:29 AM - Installing Fuel Lines in RV-7A, 9A (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 8. 07:29 AM - TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Frazier, Vincent A) 9. 07:39 AM - Oswego? (Vincent Welch) 10. 07:49 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss) 11. 07:56 AM - Re: Oswego? () 12. 09:28 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (linn Walters) 13. 10:24 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (Darrell Reiley) 14. 10:31 AM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) (N395V) 15. 10:59 AM - avionics ordering tip (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com) 16. 12:27 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (Morocketman@aol.com) 17. 12:42 PM - Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff (Morocketman@aol.com) 18. 01:34 PM - Vacuum pump fitting (J. R. Dial) 19. 02:35 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 20. 02:48 PM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 21. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: exhaust bolt torque (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 22. 03:04 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (scott bilinski) 23. 03:19 PM - ADV. BrownTool - Used 90 Degree Threaded Drills (BrownTool@aol.com) 24. 03:36 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (JOHN STARN) 25. 04:00 PM - AN4-73 bolts (John Porter) 26. 04:47 PM - Re: AN4-73 bolts (Olen Goodwin) 27. 05:01 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (J. R. Dial) 28. 05:32 PM - Copper in oil XP-360 (RScott) 29. 05:56 PM - Re: Air Oil Separators (RV6 Flyer) 30. 06:10 PM - AN4-73 bolts (James H Nelson) 31. 06:39 PM - Accident photos (Jerry Springer) 32. 07:20 PM - Re: Accident photos (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 33. 07:58 PM - Re: Vacuum pump fitting (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 34. 09:46 PM - Re: Accident photos (Rob Prior (rv7)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:38 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff Hi All, if there's sufficient forward motion and the space between two blades on the prop is big enough I can see one blade hitting and the next one coming out slighlty forward(but terribly close) to next occupant. I would guess from what I have seen in the posts on this subject that there was considerable forward speed with the TBM, for (I guess) the TBM would have stopped before hitting the cabin. If the TBM didn't see the RV at all he might have concluded there was quite a gap between himself and the a/c in front of the RV and opened the throttle somewhat to close the gap. Marcel do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:35 AM PST US From: sportav8r@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Copper in Oil, XP-360 Cappy, my first oil analysis showed copper at 39, then a slow steady drop into the 5-12 range where it has remained for the past 550 hours since break-in. I always use 15W-50 and a 50hr change interval, usually add 1-2 qts in the 50 hr interval. HTH -Stormy -----Original Message----- Sent: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:12 AM In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:41:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, willfly@carolina.rr.com writes: Recent Oil Analyses seem to be showing increased levels of copper coming from my XP-360. The engine has a total of 265 hours and I use Aeroshell 15/50. =========================== It may be that the Triphenyl Phosphate (TPP) in that particular brand multi-vis oil is leaching the copper from your bearings as it is suspected of doing. Try changing to the better straight weight oils without the TPP. If you insist on using a multi-vis oil there are other brands without it. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 802hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:43 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Enough may have been said about this, but my 320 will throw out anything over 7 qt, and I let it go down to 6 1/2 qt where I keep it and I get very little oil on the belly at that reading. As for the separators, from what I have heard from a few who had them, they are a waste of money. Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:50 AM PST US From: "Dave Mader" Subject: RV-List: slight mishap at Oshkosh List.. After 20 some years of attending Oshkosh and flying into there 6 times I finally had a minor incident while landing. On Thurs. morning they were landing aircraft on runway 18. After touchdown in my RV6, the tower instructed me to exit the runway onto the grass immediately. This is common practice and as I turned off the runway to the right I heard a disheartening crunch. As there were 4 airplanes on final right behind me, and the airplane seemed to taxi o.k., I kept going. After a long taxi to the tie-down area I got out and looked and sure enough, my right wheel pant was pretty much destroyed. As I suspected, I had hit a runway light. No ones fault but my own, but it is very difficult to see anything directly off to the right in a taildragger 6. We ended up taking the pants off and made it home no problem. Just a heads up out there for anyone to keep in mind if they happen to be in that situation. It is just not an ordinary circumstance to "depart runway and taxi onto the grass". It is a situation you hardly ever duplicate at your home airport. As an aside, I flew into Osh. 3 years ago with a Vari-Eze that had never attended before. He was given the same instructions and completely destroyed his nose gear. Didn't hit anything, but the ground was just too rough. Finally got home after 2 days of repair. Keep in mind there are objects along the side of the runway and the ground there can be very hard on your gear. Dave Mader RV-6 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:22 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions > >I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions. > >I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has >been flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor. > >Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the >thickness of the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an >IO-360-A1A? I have an old one that measures about 2 1/16 >inches. Is there a thinner one available? The dimension I need is >from the accessory case to the prop governor itself. > >Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my >IO-360-A1D6 work on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell >there is about 3 percent difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs >0.895. I would assume that the governor could be adjusted for this >difference. Is there some other reason why it won't work? > >Thanks, >Dan Hopper >RV-7A Dan, My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from the gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I suspect that your governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces after the conversion, the unit can be modified by any competent prop shop. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:34 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions Charlie, What plane and engine do you have? do not archive Dan In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:06:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chaztuna@adelphia.net writes: I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions. I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has been flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor. Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the thickness of the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an IO-360-A1A? I have an old one that measures about 2 1/16 inches. Is there a thinner one available? The dimension I need is from the accessory case to the prop governor itself. Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my IO-360-A1D6 work on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell there is about 3 percent difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs 0.895. I would assume that the governor could be adjusted for this difference. Is there some other reason why it won't work? Thanks, Dan Hopper RV-7A Dan, My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from the gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I suspect that your governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces after the conversion, the unit can be modified by any competent prop shop. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:24 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Installing Fuel Lines in RV-7A, 9A Fuselage builders, I thought that I'd pass this along since I have never seen it in print before, and it was not in the manual, at least when I built my airplane. In the plans it says to install the main landing gear brackets, and two pages later to install the fuel lines. What we are talking about here are the two lines that come from the tank fittings through the fuselage sides to the selector valve. The bottom line is that if you install the fuel line at the same time you install the landing gear bracket, you can do it a lot easier and better. Bend the joggle in the line on your workbench. Slide the line through the bracket and the removed F-782B cover support rib. Then slide the line through the hole in the fuselage and slide the gear bracket into position. It is a little bit of a struggle, but much easier to do than if the gear bracket is bolted in. Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:29 AM PST US From: "Frazier, Vincent A" Subject: RV-List: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to offer some info and some related experiences. I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower speed. So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to sunlight glare. Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.) I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his? http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info Vince FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% useful. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:49 AM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RV-List: Oswego? --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" Has anyone heard if Oswego will be holding their fly in this year? They are normally talking about it on the list by this time. Vince Welch Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:59 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions Dan I'm building an 8A. I'm using a parallel valve 360. The governor is out of an old Apache, but has been converted for use with my current setup. Charlie > > Charlie, > >What plane and engine do you have? > >do not archive > >Dan > > >In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:06:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >chaztuna@adelphia.net writes: > >> >>I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions. >> >>I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has >>been flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor. >> >>Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the >>thickness of the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an >>IO-360-A1A? I have an old one that measures about 2 1/16 >>inches. Is there a thinner one available? The dimension I need is >>from the accessory case to the prop governor itself. >> >>Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my >>IO-360-A1D6 work on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell >>there is about 3 percent difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs >>0.895. I would assume that the governor could be adjusted for this >>difference. Is there some other reason why it won't work? >> >>Thanks, >>Dan Hopper >>RV-7A > >Dan, > My adapter & Woodward governor assembly is 8.75" total length from > the gasket surface of the accessory cover. I hope this helps. I > suspect that your governor will work "as is". If an issue surfaces > after the conversion, the unit can be modified by any competent prop shop. >Charlie Kuss > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Oswego? --> RV-List message posted by: Hi Vince, You can always 'google' this stuff: http://www.eaachapter486.com/RVInfo.htm Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm do not archive > Has anyone heard if Oswego will be holding their fly in this year? They are > normally talking about it on the list by this time. > > > Vince Welch > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:40 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters I'm amazed at some of the reactions tosome solutions to a problem. Yours was a great solution (IMHO). I have the same problem in my Pitts, but no place to put a screen. When I land after a formation flight I always have that nagging feeling that my 12 traffic on the runway is about to be eaten. There's always plenty of room by the time I've slowed down where I can take a look ..... but that nagging feeling is always there. I really like the camera solution ..... better than the multiple mirrir setuo in the cabanes!!! Linn do not archive Frazier, Vincent A wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > >Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few comments just to >offer some info and some related experiences. > >I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours now. It's great >fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of which is the lack of >visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I know all about >S-turns, so save your breath on those comments please. > >In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 until it was much less >than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. Since we had a couple of >RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years ago, it really bothered >me that the blind spot was, well... huge and inconvenient. My RV >buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had reasonable >visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at a much slower >speed. > >So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add a camera and LCD >screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera (VC-806B, standard >lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a few hundred bucks... >next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is mounted in the left >cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to bother it at all. >The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted under the panel and >works well even in bright sun, although it isn't quite 100% immune to >sunlight glare. > >Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as needed, but often can >simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. IT DOESN'T REPLACE >S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm trying to choose my >words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed for being DIFFERENT.) >I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of my ground ops and >find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see pop cans, runway >lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the pavement, etc, etc.... all >sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! > >Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh a warbird pilot >asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told him that it was my >"taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked away shaking his >head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he didn't think too >much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent accidents (that I >know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is correct, mine or his? > >http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more info > >Vince > >FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT EFIS info to the back >seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a slave display. >Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the GRT info to the rear >seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as elegant, but 100% >useful. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:57 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Vince, What a great idea! Safety should be our #1 concern. You took something simple and put it to work for you and others. If we don't police ourselves, it won't be long and someone else will. Thanks! Darrell do not archive --- "Frazier, Vincent A" wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A" > > > Regarding the accident, I'd like to toss out a few > comments just to > offer some info and some related experiences. > > I've been flying my Rocket for 2 years and 130 hours > now. It's great > fun but does have its share of weaknesses. One of > which is the lack of > visibility over the nose when on the ground. Yes, I > know all about > S-turns, so save your breath on those comments > please. > > In my Rocket I found that I could not see an RV-6 > until it was much less > than 100' away if the big nose was in the way. > Since we had a couple of > RV-8s collide on a taxiway near here a few years > ago, it really bothered > me that the blind spot was, well... huge and > inconvenient. My RV > buddies would zoom down the taxiway because they had > reasonable > visibility and I would follow along doing S-turns at > a much slower > speed. > > So, being a bit of a gadget freak, I decided to add > a camera and LCD > screen to my plane. The Sony bullet color camera > (VC-806B, standard > lens)and LCD screen were relatively cheap, only a > few hundred bucks... > next to nothing in airplane dollars. The camera is > mounted in the left > cowl inlet and the heat and vibration don't seem to > bother it at all. > The LCD screen (sorry, no p/n available) is mounted > under the panel and > works well even in bright sun, although it isn't > quite 100% immune to > sunlight glare. > > Now when I follow my RV buddies I still S-turn as > needed, but often can > simply glance at the LCD screen for confirmation. > IT DOESN'T REPLACE > S-TURNS, but it gives a wonderful SUPPLEMENT. (I'm > trying to choose my > words carefully because I know that I'll be flamed > for being DIFFERENT.) > I use the camera/LCD combo during virtually all of > my ground ops and > find it very useful!!! With a quick glance I can see > pop cans, runway > lights, debris, small animals, cracks in the > pavement, etc, etc.... all > sorts of things that I don't want to run over!!! > > Now to share some reactions... last year at Oshkosh > a warbird pilot > asked me what the LCD screen was for. When I told > him that it was my > "taxi assist camera" he spun on his heel and walked > away shaking his > head. I thought "Hmmm, whatever". I guess that he > didn't think too > much of my system or my skills. Now, after 2 recent > accidents (that I > know of) and a fatality, I wonder which mindset is > correct, mine or his? > > http://vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm > for more info > > Vince > > FWIW, I also wanted a cheap way to display my GRT > EFIS info to the back > seat passenger in my plane. GRT wants $2500 for a > slave display. > Another camera and LCD screen easily displays the > GRT info to the rear > seater and it cost 10% of what GRT wanted. Not as > elegant, but 100% > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:54 AM PST US From: "N395V" Subject: RV-List: Re: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH (what to do) --> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" > I guess that he didn't think too > much of my system or my skills. Since seeing your install have purchased the components for my plane. Recent episode at OSH has added new impetus to get off my lazy butt and install it. Vince's install below -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=51823#51823 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:02 AM PST US From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Subject: RV-List: avionics ordering tip --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Here is a small tip for those of you considering ordering a GRT EFIS along with Garmin avionics from Stark Avionics. For a small fee, Stark provided the wiring harnesses for my SL-40 comm, GTX-327 transponder, and PS Engineering intercom with lead lengths I specified. They did a nice neat job and I was glad I did it. However, what I didnt realize at the time was that the EFIS and SL-40 can talk to each other using serial input and output so that multiple airport frequencies can be automatically loaded into the comm for easy access. To do this, you will need to specifically request from Stark that the harness for the comm include the serial input and output pins. Otherwise, if you want to make use of this feature, you will have to undo Starks nice neat job and add the wire leads in yourself. Similarly, as desired, the EFIS can automatically switch the transponder from standby to on when it determines your flight has begun, but this requires an additional serial input lead to the transponder, which also must be specifically requested to be included in the harness. You can obviously do this all yourself after the fact, but if you are having Stark do the harnesses anyway, why mess up his nice neat job and re-do it? The above probably also applies to other EFIS brands, and possibly other avionics vendors, but I have no experience with those. regards, Erich Weaver ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:33 PM PST US From: Morocketman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators! I had too much oil on the belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried everything I could think of regarding the vent line size, loop up and over, aimed at the exhaust, etc. The Separator did no good at all. I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and vola! I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding one pint sometimes. But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming manual says 12 qt system, with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of 2 qts. Yes! Two quarts minimum. I can't remember my IO-360 minimum, but recall that it was equally scary. Give it a try-------you'll like it. Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:00 PM PST US From: Morocketman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: TBM Avenger/RV-6 accident at OSH and other OSH stuff Sorry to report that as of August 2nd, I heard that the FAA is reporting that the pilot of the RV-6 was very seriously injured. Les do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:39 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RV-List: Vacuum pump fitting I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in RV6s use? You can answer direct to my email. Thanks, Dick Dial N89DD DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:58 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Vacuum pump fitting --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrdial@hal-pc.org writes: > I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that > rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the > fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it > is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or > is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in > RV6s use? > > You can answer direct to my email. > Thanks, > Dick Dial > N89DD ============================= Dick: You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following questions: 1 - Which engine mount are you referring to? 2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and give me a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are available. My general response is: As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount (dynalfocal) the vacuum Pump will fit. You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump? The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to have things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN! The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the special wrench to tighten that one. The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a problem. Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively. Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not use Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly most people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe use. But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the fitting is still loose. Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:47 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions Thanks Charlie and others for the info. Here are a few more questions I have: As far as I can tell from my measurements with the engine not assembled yet, it looks like the end of the governor will come back about even with the firewall. Does anyone else with a -7A know if this is OK? In other words, it is OK for the governor to extend into the recess a little? Will it clear the sides of the recess enough to allow for engine movement? Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess. Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve? Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 8/2/2006 10:53:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chaztuna@adelphia.net writes: Dan I'm building an 8A. I'm using a parallel valve 360. The governor is out of an old Apache, but has been converted for use with my current setup. Charlie Charlie, What plane and engine do you have? do not archive Dan ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:13 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: exhaust bolt torque --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 7/30/06 2:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bicyclop@pacbell.net writes: > Watch out for those crush type exhaust gaskets. I had one of those burn > through allowing the nuts to loosen and fall off. The pipe was found > hanging (barely) on the end of the stud. I replaced it with a solid > "blow proof" gasket. I checked the other 3 gaskets when we got home and > they all showed signs of damage and some leakage. Replaced all. 700 > hours on engine at the time. > > Ed Holyoke ====================== Ed: You are 100% right on! A cheep friend, purchased a set of those soft -- gaskets (guaranteed to blowout) and not one, but two of them were totally burnt out and missing. The exhaust pipes were just barely hanging there. There was so much noise but he was more interested in flying than looking under the cowl. In the process he also ruined two exhaust mounting studs. So did he save any money? I don't think so! ! ! Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:53 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators I had a bunch of oil on the belly, the fix, cheap ACS round air oil seperator with 2 stainless pot scrubbers stuffed inside. Now, no oil on the belly, just a slight mist about 1~2 feet back from the tube which is not on the exhaust. I have made a few for others but dont know if they monitor the list here to comment. Morocketman@aol.com wrote: Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators! I had too much oil on the belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried everything I could think of regarding the vent line size, loop up and over, aimed at the exhaust, etc. The Separator did no good at all. I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and vola! I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding one pint sometimes. But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming manual says 12 qt system, with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of 2 qts. Yes! Two quarts minimum. I can't remember my IO-360 minimum, but recall that it was equally scary. Give it a try-------you'll like it. Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:07 PM PST US From: BrownTool@aol.com Subject: RV-List: ADV. BrownTool - Used 90 Degree Threaded Drills Many of you might have already seen this announcement on the VansAirForce website, but if not... Just a quick announcement to let everyone know we have just received a large shipment (over 300 pieces!) of used/surplus JIFFY Brand 90 Degree Threaded Drill Motors from a major west coast aircraft manufacturer. JIFFY is one of the most respected brands in the aircraft assembly industry and their products are top notch. New, these drills would cost well over $450, but while supplies last, we are offering them for only $155. This is an excellent opportunity to own a top quality, production grade threaded drill for a fraction of its "new" cost. They are used, complete with all of the nicks and scratches you would expect to see on a used tool, but they are in perfectly good operational condition and have been thoroughly tested. Complete with a 30 day unconditional satisfaction guarantee and FREE UPS Ground Shipping within the continental USA. You can find these on our website at _www.browntool.com_ (http://www.browntool.com) - click on the "products" button and then click on the "surplus / used tools" button. Or of course you can call us at 1-800-587-3883 with any questions. Thanks for taking a look - and thanks to all of our RV customers, we sincerely appreciate your business! Michael Brown Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. 2536 S.E. 15th Street Oklahoma City, OK 73129 USA 405-688-6888 _browntool@aol.com_ (mailto:browntool@aol.com) _www.browntool.com_ (http://www.browntool.com) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:43 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Both figures were for HRII N561FS, 9 1/2 to 10 at the oil change. 8 1/2 on the dip stick is "normal" cold operating range +/- half a quart. KABONG Do Not Archive (GBA & GWB) ----- Original Message ----- From: Morocketman@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators Roger on the info regarding Air/Oil Separators! I had too much oil on the belly of my IO-540 powered Harmon Rocket II. Tried everything I could think of regarding the vent line size, loop up and over, aimed at the exhaust, etc. The Separator did no good at all. I let the oil quanity go down to 9 1/2 (per someone's suggestion) and vola! I have never seen below 8 1/2. And yes, I do find myself adding one pint sometimes. But easier than Washing the Belly. My Lycoming manual says 12 qt system, with minimum (bet you cannot believe this) of 2 qts. Yes! Two quarts minimum. I can't remember my IO-360 minimum, but recall that it was equally scary. Give it a try-------you'll like it. Les Featherston HRII "Airgasm" has 277 hours. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:29 PM PST US From: "John Porter" Subject: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts Hi there, Looking for a source of an AN4-73 bolt. Yeah, long one. Want to use it in the rudder pedal with alum tubing over it to act as a bar to place my foot on to avoid dragging the brakes inadvertently. I have a note into Aircraft Spruce, but if someone has a source, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks, John Porter #80002 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:14 PM PST US From: "Olen Goodwin" Subject: Re: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts Try Genuine Aircraft Hardware, http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com Olen Goodwin do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: John Porter To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts Hi there, Looking for a source of an AN4-73 bolt. Yeah, long one. Want to use it in the rudder pedal with alum tubing over it to act as a bar to place my foot on to avoid dragging the brakes inadvertently. I have a note into Aircraft Spruce, but if someone has a source, I'd be glad to hear it. Thanks, John Porter #80002 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:00 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Vacuum pump fitting --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" The vacuum pump is on the engine but will have to be removed to install the inlet fitting which is no problem but it sure looks like the 90 degree inlet fitting is going to hit the dynafocal mount. Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:28 PM --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrdial@hal-pc.org writes: > I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that > rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the > fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it > is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or > is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in > RV6s use? > > You can answer direct to my email. > Thanks, > Dick Dial > N89DD ============================= Dick: You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following questions: 1 - Which engine mount are you referring to? 2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and give me a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are available. My general response is: As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount (dynalfocal) the vacuum Pump will fit. You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump? The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to have things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN! The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the special wrench to tighten that one. The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a problem. Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively. Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not use Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly most people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe use. But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the fitting is still loose. Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:59 PM PST US From: RScott Subject: RV-List: Copper in oil XP-360 FWIW, I've been running oil samples for a friend (I have access to a spectrometer used for O/A for other than for Gen. Aviation) & here are the copper readings in his Aerosport O-320: 13, 28.3, 30.6, 32.6, 29.9, 16.8, 15.9, 11.3, & 8.3 All readings are parts per million. Twice, we ran samples on new oil and found zero copper in the oil. I don't have engine time info, but the first sample was in April of '02 and the latest was last December. He has flown his RV-6A about 500 hours, so it appears the highest reading occurred at around 200 hrs. Also, I don't know what oil he is using, but I think it is Aeroshell. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:08 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Air Oil Separators --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" Have tried with and without oil separator and with modified oil separator. There is less blow by with the oil separator and even less with the Scott Billinski modified oil separator. After the number of hour on the airplane, there is still oil on the belly but some of it is from the SMOKE system. The smoke system makes the belly easier to clean as it softens the exhaust gas deposits. The drain from the oil separator goes back into the engine and has always done so. Note the numbers of hours in the past almost 9 years of flying. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,921+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:54 PM PST US From: James H Nelson Subject: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson John, How about some rubber tubing? Jim ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: RV-List: Accident photos --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Not sure if these have been posted here or not, sorry if this link has already been posted. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=63452&postcount=12 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:58 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Accident photos I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too. What the hell do you do once you've made that big of a mistake? How does that person pick up the pieces an move on? -------------- Original message -------------- > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > Not sure if these have been posted here or not, sorry if this link has > already been posted. > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=63452&postcount=12 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too.  What the hell do you do once you've made that big of a mistake?  How does that person pick up the pieces an move on?
 
===== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:53 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Vacuum pump fitting --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Dick: would recommend that you: 1 - Remove the pump from the engine. 2 -Set up the input fitting in a direction that will not hit the dynafocal mount. 3 - Reinstall the pump to the engine. As mentioned before the only difficult part is that you will need the special vacuum pump wrench. Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada =================================================== --> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" The vacuum pump is on the engine but will have to be removed to install the inlet fitting which is no problem but it sure looks like the 90 degree inlet fitting is going to hit the dynafocal mount. Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:28 PM --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 8/2/06 4:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrdial@hal-pc.org writes: > I have an RV-6 without a vacuum system but a friend that > rents hanger space from me is installing a new 0-360 in his RV6A and the > fitting for the inlet side (suction) of the vacuum pump appears that it > is going to be very close to the motor mount. Question is this normal or > is there a different fitting people that have vacuum system and 0-360 in > RV6s use? > > You can answer direct to my email. > Thanks, > Dick Dial > N89DD ============================= Dick: You have to be a bit more specific. Can you answer the following questions: 1 - Which engine mount are you referring to? 2 - Which fittings are you referring to? Check out ACS Catalog, and give me a part number. They are interchangeable and different fittings are available. My general response is: As long as you are using a standard store bought engine mount (dynalfocal) the vacuum Pump will fit. You are talking about a DRY Vacuum Pump? The intake and exhaust fittings can be varied in shape and location to have things fit. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN! The ONLY problem I can foresee is the left lower NUT! You must have the special wrench to tighten that one. The RV-6A and RV-6 I fly both have dry vacuum pumps and fit is NOT a problem. Both have 360's an O-360 and an IO-360 respectively. Super Cautionary Note: I know the installation instructions say do not use Teflon Tape. I am a bit scared to recommend it, because, quite honestly most people do not know how to use it properly. There is a trick in its safe use. But Teflon tape may be required if when alignment is accomplished the fitting is still loose. Barry "Chop'd Liver" "Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third time." Yamashiada ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:28 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: Accident photos --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 19:13:24 2006-08-02 luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) wrote: > I feel sorry for the Avenger crew too. What the hell do you do once > you've made that big of a mistake? How does that person pick up the > pieces an move on? Well, a Sony lipstick camera and a small LCD monitor may be a good start. -Rob