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1. 02:48 AM - Re: AN4-73 bolts (Jim Sears)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (glen matejcek)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 05:17 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss)
6. 08:52 AM - doors off? (Evan and Megan Johnson)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: doors off? (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7))
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
10. 10:15 AM - Modified squeezer die set for trailing edges (Folbrecht, Paul)
11. 10:31 AM - Re: doors off? (Kevin Horton)
12. 11:09 AM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7))
13. 11:45 AM - Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Bob Perkinson)
14. 11:54 AM - Thunder over Michigan this weekend (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
15. 12:14 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Chuck Weyant)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend (Brett.Morawski@dana.com)
17. 02:18 PM - purge line recommendation? (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
18. 03:03 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Morocketman@aol.com)
19. 03:16 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Terry Watson)
20. 03:31 PM - Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend (Dave Nellis)
21. 04:10 PM - Re: doors off? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Tom Gummo)
23. 04:18 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Garry)
24. 04:29 PM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7))
25. 09:11 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Evan and Megan Johnson)
26. 09:26 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
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| Subject: | Re: AN4-73 bolts |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" <jmsears@adelphia.net>
> John, How about some rubber tubing?
>
I second Jim's suggestion. I glued short pieces of scrap hose on the
bottoms of my stirrups. That helped a bunch. My biggest problem was
keeping my toes off the brakes during touch down and roll out at landing.
Then, I discovered that if I'd just lay my feet on the sides of the
stirrups, instead of the bottoms, I could keep my feet off the brakes,
entirely. After that, I just move my feet over to the bottoms of the
stirrups. The hose gives my feet enough clearance from the brake pedals to
allow the slight touches I need to tap the brakes for taxi purposes.
Jim Sears in KY
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan-
>Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets
>thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess.
>Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve?
The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed
between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that
is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the
gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there
is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy
to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that...
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I don't recall getting a 'plate' with my Jihostroj governor.
Details please! How thick, what shape, what material, specific to governor brand,
where in what manual is it referred to, anyone got pictures.....?
Ralph Capen
-----Original Message-----
>From: glen matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2006 7:31 AM
>To: RV-List Digest Server <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions
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>--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Dan-
>
>>Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets
>>thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess.
>>Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve?
>
> The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed
>between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that
>is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the
>gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there
>is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy
>to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that...
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
>--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Dan-
>
> >Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets
> >thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess.
> >Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve?
>
> The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed
>between the gov and the case.
Glen,
You have me confused by the use of the word "case" above. I was
under the impression that these items were located between the
governor and the adapter. Am I wrong? Do they go between the adapter
and the accessory case?
Charlie Kuss
> It seems that there is an oil passage that
>is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the
>gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there
>is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy
>to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that...
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
>
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Does anybody know if it is ok to take the doors off of my Cessna 150? I
know its ok on the 172 because they have removable pins in the door
hinges...my 150 does not. I apologize for the non RV question, but I
figured one of you high time pilots out there could probably answer
this. Its a 1976, and NOT an aerobat...just the regular one.
Thanks in advance...
do not archive
Evan
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Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval to remove
the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or does aerial photography
may be of help.
Good luck.
Doug P.
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 8:47:08 2006-08-03 "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net> wrote:
> Does anybody know if it is ok to take the doors off of my Cessna 150?
> I know its ok on the 172 because they have removable pins in the door
> hinges...my 150 does not. I apologize for the non RV question, but I
> figured one of you high time pilots out there could probably answer
> this. Its a 1976, and NOT an aerobat...just the regular one. Thanks
> in advance... do not archive
The doors on a Cessna 150 are not structural, so if you can handle the
breeze you can fly without them just fine. For what it's worth, i've flown
in an Aerobat without the doors (intentionally), and while it's windy, it
flies just fine.
If you're looking to take pictures, you may find it easier to just remove
the window from the door. That would give you enough opening for pictures,
and still provide some wind protection inside the cockpit. It'll depend on
what kind of hinge mechanism is on the window though... It may be easier to
just unscrew the door hinges.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
Glen,
I too need some clarification. I have a governor, an adaptor, and an
accessory case. At which joint does the metal plate go? Apparently the metal
plate must have a rough surface or serrations, etc., that hold the gaskets
better. Is this true?
I'll look over the parts and see if I can tell where the oil passageway is
that is close to the edge.
Something that I had never thought about is that the prop pressure must run
well above engine oil pressure -- perhaps 150 PSI? That means that the front
main bearing is being lubricated by this pressure too, since there are no
seals between the prop feed and the 2 bearing surfaces on the front main
bearing.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 8/3/2006 7:43:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aerobubba@earthlink.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Dan-
>Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets
>thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess.
>Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve?
The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed
between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that
is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the
gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there
is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy
to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that...
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Modified squeezer die set for trailing edges |
After not the best results using the traditional method on my rudder TE,
I'd like to try this:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jimnbev@olypen.com.07.29.2003/index.h
tml
on the elevators.
Does anybody happen to have a set of grinded dies for this purpose? If
there was a set available for sale or lending I would prefer that to
making my own.
I can be reached off-list at paul.folbrecht@veribox.net.
Thanks,
Paul
9A QB #1176
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On 3 Aug 2006, at 12:12, DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote:
> Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval to
> remove the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or does
> aerial photography may be of help.
Removing the door(s) will almost certainly affect the performance and
handling, so even if you manage to get approval, apply all the normal
precautions that you would for a flight in an aircraft with unknown
performance and handling. I.e. the initial flights are test flights,
which should have a planned list of tests, no passengers, and the
test points should gradually build up to the end points of the
desired weight/CG/manoeuvre envelope.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 3 Aug 2006, at 12:12, DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote:
> Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval
> to remove the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or
> does aerial photography may be of help.
FAA AC 105-2C Covers requirements for operating an aircraft with one door
removed for the purposes of dropping Skydivers. In Appendix 2 it lists the
"Cessna 150 Series" as one of the types with blanket approval for operation
in this manner.
I would *expect* that this approval would mean that it's safe (as far as
the FAA is concerned) to fly the airplane around in this configuration, but
you never know when it comes to the FAA...
There's a PDF of AC105-2C on the FAA website, but it appears to be
corrupted (at least, Acrobat 7 wouldn't open it on my computer). I did
find an html version here:
http://www.brookfieldstore.com/aviationlinks/AC105-2c.htm
Hope this helps!
-Rob
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| Subject: | Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly
without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got
opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable without
the slider section of canopy on the plane.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Thunder over Michigan this weekend |
Anyone going to see this weekend show? Looks great since I love WWII planes and
tanks.
http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/
I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback. I have relatives all over
the place but have never flown my RV there. Is there a experimental friendly
field around there? How's Oakland Troy KVLL or Willow Run KYIP itself during
the show weekend?
TIA,
Lucky
<html><body>
<DIV>Anyone going to see this weekend show? Looks great since I love WWII
planes and tanks.</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/">http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/</A></DIV>
<DIV>I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback. I have relatives
all over the place but have never flown my RV there. Is there a experimental
friendly field around there? How's Oakland Troy KVLL or
Willow Run KYIP itself during the show weekend?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>TIA,</DIV>
<DIV>Lucky</DIV></body></html>
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant@chuckdirect.com>
I've seen a 6a fly without the canopy on. He said it was too windy and
noisy to do it again.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
>
> I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly
> without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got
> opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable
> without
> the slider section of canopy on the plane.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
> RV9 N658RP Reserved
> If nothing changes
> Nothing changes
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend |
I've been a Yankee Air Force/Museum member for years and will be at this
year's Thunder over Michigan.
It's always a great show and never too crowded. One year I stayed after
the show to meet Chuck Yeager and Bud Anderson. While they were talking I
walked out to the tarmac and was standing there alone at sunset surrounded
by 60 or so WW2 warbirds. Amazing sight.
Anyway, our web site says we have GA parking avialable, and since the
museum's warbirds are classified experimental and fly almost daily I'd
have to say Willow Run is experimental friendly, although it is mainly a
cargo terminal.
Some fly-in info here or call the museum:
http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/directions.htm
Brett Morawski
419-887-3186 Desk
419-376-8071 Cell
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| Subject: | purge line recommendation? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Howdy
I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special
protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
thanks
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
Vans seems to intimate that RV-4's have flown without canopies in their
advertisement for a "canopy lock." Seems that I remember someone stating that
the canopy would depart without any problem regarding the empanage.
Just running up the engine to taxi with my tilt canopy open on the
Rocket, would blow my headset and hat off into the back seat. I don't want to
experience the direct blast of air without a canopy. Especially below about 50F.
Hey, Gummybear, didn't some folks fly home in F-100's and F-4's etc.
without the canopy?
Ya'll be careful out there, Les
do not archive
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| Subject: | purge line recommendation? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
I bought a fire-sleeved line 41 or 42" long directly from Airflow
Performance for mine. It was quite expensive -- I think about $60, maybe
more. It was what they recommended.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:12 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Howdy
I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special
protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
thanks
Erich Weaver
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| Subject: | Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Lucky,
KVLL is my home field. Traffic there usually does not
get heavy there for special events. Paved parking, no
formal grass parking. Some transients will tie down
on the grass at the end of the hangar rows. Bring
your own tie down materials. KPTK can handle
corporate traffic better. Lots of traffic for the
Super Bowl at KPTK last January. I am planning to go
to Thunder Over Michigan on Sunday. If you need a
lift from KVLL, leave a reply here. I have a Ford
Escape and can carry three pax.
Dave Nellis
--- lucky <luckymacy@comcast.net> wrote:
> Anyone going to see this weekend show? Looks great
> since I love WWII planes and tanks.
> http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/
> I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback.
> I have relatives all over the place but have never
> flown my RV there. Is there a experimental friendly
> field around there? How's Oakland Troy KVLL or
> Willow Run KYIP itself during the show weekend?
>
> TIA,
> Lucky
__________________________________________________
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In a message dated 08/03/2006 1:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, rv7@b4.ca
writes:
FAA AC 105-2C Covers requirements for operating an aircraft with one door
removed for the purposes of dropping Skydivers. In Appendix 2 it lists the
"Cessna 150 Series" as one of the types with blanket approval for operation
in this manner.
>>>
Most interesting- note the plural form "Skydivers" cited- Behold the Mighty
150!!!!
8-)
Mark - do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
Les,
My backseater lost his canopy on takeoff roll once. He claims it was
windy put I knew he was OK, when I could see him stick his hand out into
the wind and play with the air. I kept the speed down in the 200-250
knot range, while we burned down enough gas to safely land. Of course,
as the pilot, the bird colonel DO yelled at me.
For the front seater, the first part of the canopy was fixed, so if the
canopy was lost, you could duck down and have a wind break.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Wild Weasel #1573
F-4G Instructor Pilot
Major, USAF Retired
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
N561FS, 280 hours
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Morocketman@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy
Vans seems to intimate that RV-4's have flown without canopies in
their advertisement for a "canopy lock." Seems that I remember someone
stating that the canopy would depart without any problem regarding the
empanage.
Just running up the engine to taxi with my tilt canopy open on
the Rocket, would blow my headset and hat off into the back seat. I
don't want to experience the direct blast of air without a canopy.
Especially below about 50F.
Hey, Gummybear, didn't some folks fly home in F-100's and F-4's
etc. without the canopy?
Ya'll be careful out there, Les
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: purge line recommendation? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Erich,
What's a "fuel purge line"? I'll be receiving my Aero Sport IO360 engine
next week and no one ever mentioned anything about a "purge line".
Garry Stout
Odessa, FL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:12 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
>
> Howdy
>
> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special
> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
>
> thanks
>
> Erich Weaver
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 16:05:31 2006-08-03 Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> Most interesting- note the plural form "Skydivers" cited- Behold the
> Mighty 150!!!!
Sure... The 150 did have a child seat as an option. If you want to throw
your spouse and child out of your 150, it's perfectly legal.
But you have to give them parachutes. :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
There was at least one RV4 sportster built with an open cockpit. It had the
back seat covered with a modified turtledeck that came right up behind the
pilots head. Pretty cool, but probably too fast for an open cockpit
plane....
Evan
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
>
> I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly
> without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got
> opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable
without
> the slider section of canopy on the plane.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
> RV9 N658RP Reserved
> If nothing changes
> Nothing changes
>
> Do Not Archive
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>
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| Subject: | RE: purge line recommendation? |
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