---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/03/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:48 AM - Re: AN4-73 bolts (Jim Sears) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (glen matejcek) 3. 04:59 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Ralph E. Capen) 4. 05:17 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Charlie Kuss) 6. 08:52 AM - doors off? (Evan and Megan Johnson) 7. 09:18 AM - Re: doors off? (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 8. 09:19 AM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7)) 9. 09:33 AM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 10. 10:15 AM - Modified squeezer die set for trailing edges (Folbrecht, Paul) 11. 10:31 AM - Re: doors off? (Kevin Horton) 12. 11:09 AM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7)) 13. 11:45 AM - Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Bob Perkinson) 14. 11:54 AM - Thunder over Michigan this weekend (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 15. 12:14 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Chuck Weyant) 16. 12:34 PM - Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend (Brett.Morawski@dana.com) 17. 02:18 PM - purge line recommendation? (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com) 18. 03:03 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Morocketman@aol.com) 19. 03:16 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Terry Watson) 20. 03:31 PM - Re: Thunder over Michigan this weekend (Dave Nellis) 21. 04:10 PM - Re: doors off? (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 22. 04:12 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Tom Gummo) 23. 04:18 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Garry) 24. 04:29 PM - Re: doors off? (Rob Prior (rv7)) 25. 09:11 PM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Evan and Megan Johnson) 26. 09:26 PM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:11 AM PST US From: "Jim Sears" Subject: Re: RV-List: AN4-73 bolts --> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Sears" > John, How about some rubber tubing? > I second Jim's suggestion. I glued short pieces of scrap hose on the bottoms of my stirrups. That helped a bunch. My biggest problem was keeping my toes off the brakes during touch down and roll out at landing. Then, I discovered that if I'd just lay my feet on the sides of the stirrups, instead of the bottoms, I could keep my feet off the brakes, entirely. After that, I just move my feet over to the bottoms of the stirrups. The hose gives my feet enough clearance from the brake pedals to allow the slight touches I need to tap the brakes for taxi purposes. Jim Sears in KY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:54 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions --> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" Hi Dan- >Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets >thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess. >Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve? The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that... glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:07 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:51 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I don't recall getting a 'plate' with my Jihostroj governor. Details please! How thick, what shape, what material, specific to governor brand, where in what manual is it referred to, anyone got pictures.....? Ralph Capen -----Original Message----- >From: glen matejcek >Sent: Aug 3, 2006 7:31 AM >To: RV-List Digest Server >Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions > >--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" > > Hi Dan- > >>Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets >>thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess. >>Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve? > > The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed >between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that >is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the >gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there >is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy >to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that... > >glen matejcek >aerobubba@earthlink.net > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:32 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions >--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" > > Hi Dan- > > >Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets > >thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess. > >Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve? > > The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed >between the gov and the case. Glen, You have me confused by the use of the word "case" above. I was under the impression that these items were located between the governor and the adapter. Am I wrong? Do they go between the adapter and the accessory case? Charlie Kuss > It seems that there is an oil passage that >is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the >gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there >is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy >to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that... > >glen matejcek >aerobubba@earthlink.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:54 AM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: RV-List: doors off? Does anybody know if it is ok to take the doors off of my Cessna 150? I know its ok on the 172 because they have removable pins in the door hinges...my 150 does not. I apologize for the non RV question, but I figured one of you high time pilots out there could probably answer this. Its a 1976, and NOT an aerobat...just the regular one. Thanks in advance... do not archive Evan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:58 AM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval to remove the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or does aerial photography may be of help. Good luck. Doug P. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:39 AM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 8:47:08 2006-08-03 "Evan and Megan Johnson" wrote: > Does anybody know if it is ok to take the doors off of my Cessna 150? > I know its ok on the 172 because they have removable pins in the door > hinges...my 150 does not. I apologize for the non RV question, but I > figured one of you high time pilots out there could probably answer > this. Its a 1976, and NOT an aerobat...just the regular one. Thanks > in advance... do not archive The doors on a Cessna 150 are not structural, so if you can handle the breeze you can fly without them just fine. For what it's worth, i've flown in an Aerobat without the doors (intentionally), and while it's windy, it flies just fine. If you're looking to take pictures, you may find it easier to just remove the window from the door. That would give you enough opening for pictures, and still provide some wind protection inside the cockpit. It'll depend on what kind of hinge mechanism is on the window though... It may be easier to just unscrew the door hinges. -Rob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:12 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Rear Prop Gov. Questions Glen, I too need some clarification. I have a governor, an adaptor, and an accessory case. At which joint does the metal plate go? Apparently the metal plate must have a rough surface or serrations, etc., that hold the gaskets better. Is this true? I'll look over the parts and see if I can tell where the oil passageway is that is close to the edge. Something that I had never thought about is that the prop pressure must run well above engine oil pressure -- perhaps 150 PSI? That means that the front main bearing is being lubricated by this pressure too, since there are no seals between the prop feed and the 2 bearing surfaces on the front main bearing. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 8/3/2006 7:43:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aerobubba@earthlink.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" Hi Dan- >Also, would someone please explain the metal plate that sometimes gets >thrown away with the gasket. I need to come up with one of these, I guess. >Exactly where does it go, and what purpose does it serve? The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is then placed between the gov and the case. It seems that there is an oil passage that is too close to the edge of the mating surfaces, and without the plate the gasket material can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there is at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's quite easy to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may wonder how I know that... glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:50 AM PST US From: "Folbrecht, Paul" Subject: RV-List: Modified squeezer die set for trailing edges After not the best results using the traditional method on my rudder TE, I'd like to try this: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/jimnbev@olypen.com.07.29.2003/index.h tml on the elevators. Does anybody happen to have a set of grinded dies for this purpose? If there was a set available for sale or lending I would prefer that to making my own. I can be reached off-list at paul.folbrecht@veribox.net. Thanks, Paul 9A QB #1176 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:22 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? On 3 Aug 2006, at 12:12, DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote: > Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval to > remove the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or does > aerial photography may be of help. Removing the door(s) will almost certainly affect the performance and handling, so even if you manage to get approval, apply all the normal precautions that you would for a flight in an aircraft with unknown performance and handling. I.e. the initial flights are test flights, which should have a planned list of tests, no passengers, and the test points should gradually build up to the end points of the desired weight/CG/manoeuvre envelope. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:52 AM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 3 Aug 2006, at 12:12, DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com wrote: > Evan, I may be wrong, but I think you have to have FSDO approval > to remove the door for flight. Someone that carries skydivers or > does aerial photography may be of help. FAA AC 105-2C Covers requirements for operating an aircraft with one door removed for the purposes of dropping Skydivers. In Appendix 2 it lists the "Cessna 150 Series" as one of the types with blanket approval for operation in this manner. I would *expect* that this approval would mean that it's safe (as far as the FAA is concerned) to fly the airplane around in this configuration, but you never know when it comes to the FAA... There's a PDF of AC105-2C on the FAA website, but it appears to be corrupted (at least, Acrobat 7 wouldn't open it on my computer). I did find an html version here: http://www.brookfieldstore.com/aviationlinks/AC105-2c.htm Hope this helps! -Rob ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:39 AM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable without the slider section of canopy on the plane. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:36 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RV-List: Thunder over Michigan this weekend Anyone going to see this weekend show? Looks great since I love WWII planes and tanks. http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/ I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback. I have relatives all over the place but have never flown my RV there. Is there a experimental friendly field around there? How's Oakland Troy KVLL or Willow Run KYIP itself during the show weekend? TIA, Lucky
Anyone going to see this weekend show?  Looks great since I love WWII planes and tanks.
I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback.  I have relatives all over the place but have never flown my RV there.  Is there a experimental friendly field around there?   How's Oakland Troy KVLL or Willow Run KYIP itself during the show weekend?
 
TIA,
Lucky
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:34 PM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" I've seen a 6a fly without the canopy on. He said it was too windy and noisy to do it again. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly > without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got > opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable > without > the slider section of canopy on the plane. > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > RV9 N658RP Reserved > If nothing changes > Nothing changes > > Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:01 PM PST US From: Brett.Morawski@dana.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Thunder over Michigan this weekend I've been a Yankee Air Force/Museum member for years and will be at this year's Thunder over Michigan. It's always a great show and never too crowded. One year I stayed after the show to meet Chuck Yeager and Bud Anderson. While they were talking I walked out to the tarmac and was standing there alone at sunset surrounded by 60 or so WW2 warbirds. Amazing sight. Anyway, our web site says we have GA parking avialable, and since the museum's warbirds are classified experimental and fly almost daily I'd have to say Willow Run is experimental friendly, although it is mainly a cargo terminal. Some fly-in info here or call the museum: http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/directions.htm Brett Morawski 419-887-3186 Desk 419-376-8071 Cell

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________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:14 PM PST US From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Subject: RV-List: purge line recommendation? --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Howdy I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)? thanks Erich Weaver ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:39 PM PST US From: Morocketman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy Vans seems to intimate that RV-4's have flown without canopies in their advertisement for a "canopy lock." Seems that I remember someone stating that the canopy would depart without any problem regarding the empanage. Just running up the engine to taxi with my tilt canopy open on the Rocket, would blow my headset and hat off into the back seat. I don't want to experience the direct blast of air without a canopy. Especially below about 50F. Hey, Gummybear, didn't some folks fly home in F-100's and F-4's etc. without the canopy? Ya'll be careful out there, Les do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: purge line recommendation? --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" I bought a fire-sleeved line 41 or 42" long directly from Airflow Performance for mine. It was quite expensive -- I think about $60, maybe more. It was what they recommended. Terry -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:12 PM --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Howdy I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)? thanks Erich Weaver ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:55 PM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Thunder over Michigan this weekend --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis Lucky, KVLL is my home field. Traffic there usually does not get heavy there for special events. Paved parking, no formal grass parking. Some transients will tie down on the grass at the end of the hangar rows. Bring your own tie down materials. KPTK can handle corporate traffic better. Lots of traffic for the Super Bowl at KPTK last January. I am planning to go to Thunder Over Michigan on Sunday. If you need a lift from KVLL, leave a reply here. I have a Ford Escape and can carry three pax. Dave Nellis --- lucky wrote: > Anyone going to see this weekend show? Looks great > since I love WWII planes and tanks. > http://yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/ > I'm looking for some been there, done that feedback. > I have relatives all over the place but have never > flown my RV there. Is there a experimental friendly > field around there? How's Oakland Troy KVLL or > Willow Run KYIP itself during the show weekend? > > TIA, > Lucky __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:17 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? In a message dated 08/03/2006 1:11:25 PM Central Daylight Time, rv7@b4.ca writes: FAA AC 105-2C Covers requirements for operating an aircraft with one door removed for the purposes of dropping Skydivers. In Appendix 2 it lists the "Cessna 150 Series" as one of the types with blanket approval for operation in this manner. >>> Most interesting- note the plural form "Skydivers" cited- Behold the Mighty 150!!!! 8-) Mark - do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:43 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy Les, My backseater lost his canopy on takeoff roll once. He claims it was windy put I knew he was OK, when I could see him stick his hand out into the wind and play with the air. I kept the speed down in the 200-250 knot range, while we burned down enough gas to safely land. Of course, as the pilot, the bird colonel DO yelled at me. For the front seater, the first part of the canopy was fixed, so if the canopy was lost, you could duck down and have a wind break. Tom "GummiBear" Gummo Wild Weasel #1573 F-4G Instructor Pilot Major, USAF Retired http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II N561FS, 280 hours do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Morocketman@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy Vans seems to intimate that RV-4's have flown without canopies in their advertisement for a "canopy lock." Seems that I remember someone stating that the canopy would depart without any problem regarding the empanage. Just running up the engine to taxi with my tilt canopy open on the Rocket, would blow my headset and hat off into the back seat. I don't want to experience the direct blast of air without a canopy. Especially below about 50F. Hey, Gummybear, didn't some folks fly home in F-100's and F-4's etc. without the canopy? Ya'll be careful out there, Les do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:19 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: RV-List: purge line recommendation? --> RV-List message posted by: "Garry" Erich, What's a "fuel purge line"? I'll be receiving my Aero Sport IO360 engine next week and no one ever mentioned anything about a "purge line". Garry Stout Odessa, FL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:12 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com > > > Howdy > > I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What > kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of > the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special > protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)? > > thanks > > Erich Weaver > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:56 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: doors off? --> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" On 16:05:31 2006-08-03 Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: > Most interesting- note the plural form "Skydivers" cited- Behold the > Mighty 150!!!! Sure... The 150 did have a child seat as an option. If you want to throw your spouse and child out of your 150, it's perfectly legal. But you have to give them parachutes. :) -Rob ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:29 PM PST US From: "Evan and Megan Johnson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" There was at least one RV4 sportster built with an open cockpit. It had the back seat covered with a modified turtledeck that came right up behind the pilots head. Pretty cool, but probably too fast for an open cockpit plane.... Evan ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" > > I was asked the other day by a neighbor if this airplane (-9) would fly > without the slider canopy on the plane. I don't know! Anybody got > opinions or facts about whether the plane would even be controllable without > the slider section of canopy on the plane. > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > RV9 N658RP Reserved > If nothing changes > Nothing changes > > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:39 PM PST US From: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com Subject: RV-List: RE: purge line recommendation? --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. 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