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1. 06:16 AM - Re: Oswego? (Larry Mac Donald)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (Darrell Reiley)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: Oswego? (Larry Mac Donald)
4. 07:21 AM - nav-aid question (bertrv6@highstream.net)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: nav-aid question (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
6. 07:36 AM - test (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (gordon or marge)
8. 10:30 AM - Leaning on ground? (Jeff Dowling)
9. 10:30 AM - Re: purge line recommendation? (Jeff Dowling)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: nav-aid question (Jeff Dowling)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Leaning on ground? (linn Walters)
12. 11:06 AM - radio stack mounting - standard widths? (sarg314)
13. 11:06 AM - Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
14. 11:15 AM - SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays (sarg314)
15. 11:31 AM - Re: Leaning on ground? (Kevin Horton)
16. 11:34 AM - Re: SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays (linn Walters)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: radio stack mounting - standard widths? (William Gill)
18. 11:42 AM - Re: SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays (William Gill)
19. 11:59 AM - Re: purge line recommendation? (sarg314)
20. 12:30 PM - Re: SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays ()
21. 02:38 PM - Re: Rear Prop Gov. Questions (Greg Young)
22. 02:38 PM - is this spray gun ok? (Jeff Bearden)
23. 07:09 PM - Re: is this spray gun ok? (Jim Duckett)
24. 11:09 PM - Re: Accident photos (Dave Johnson)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
I got my notice Thursday.
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:36:32 -0400 "Vincent Welch"
<welchvincent@hotmail.com> writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
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> Has anyone heard if Oswego will be holding their fly in this year?
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
That's absolutely amazing! And to find the canopy
almost unharmed...
I'm glad you were able to return safe.
Darrell
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--- B25Flyer <dougr@petroblend.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer"
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> I lost a tip-over canopy (no windshield) on a full
> scale plastic replica of a P-51 with a T-53 Lycoming
> Turbine. I was at about 185 kias when it came off.
> I flew about 5 miles back to the airport and landed.
> I had to add some power on downwind/ base and the
> helmet nearly tore my head off. It was the most
> physically demanding thing I have ever done in my
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> The visor was ripped off my helmet, but the helmet
> kept my glasses on my face and protected my eyes.
> Without them I doubt I could have done it.
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> We found the canopy on the roof of a building,
> buffed out the scratches, glued the hinges on again
> and 24 hours later, we were flying again. With a
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> There was a harmonic in the latch lever. The lever
> vibrated and came unlatched again while I was being
> photographed on the East side of Lake Winnebago at
> OSH and it was a long scary trip back to OSH, but
> the safety latch held.
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> I would not recommend it. Latch your canopy and
> check it twice!
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--> RV-List message posted by: Larry Mac Donald <lm4@juno.com>
I got my notice Thursday.
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:36:32 -0400 "Vincent Welch"
<welchvincent@hotmail.com> writes:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch"
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| Subject: | nav-aid question |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
I am ready to connect my Nav aid. For those with this unit. Is there
another way to setting the servo to neutral, without having to open
unit?
It will be a difficult thing, in my case, I would have to remove the whole
thing.
Unit is mounted under the floor pannels..passenger side.
I called the company, to get info, on questions I had about the wiring,
but that was like pulling teeth...the same guy answer every time I called
twice, maybe the owner? a door know has more personality than this guy..
never understand why, some one that has a good product, care nothing
about having a friendly relation with customers, and this is not the only
example...
Any how that is why I do not want to call again..
Anny suggestions will be appreciated
Also, can some one tell me where can I get a so called "Owners Manual"
I looked in their web page, they have very little .Thought I could
down load it..
Does any one knows how I can get one...
Thanks
bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: nav-aid question |
In a message dated 8/5/2006 10:22:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bertrv6@highstream.net writes:
Hi:
I am ready to connect my Nav aid. For those with this unit. Is there
another way to setting the servo to neutral, without having to open
unit?
Bert,
I don't think so. You need to do that mechanical adjustment with the unit
open.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "gordon or marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B25Flyer
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:11 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: "B25Flyer" <dougr@petroblend.com>
I lost a tip-over canopy (no windshield) on a full scale plastic replica of
a P-51 with a T-53 Lycoming Turbine. I was at about 185 kias when it came
off. I flew about 5 miles back to the airport and landed. I had to add
some power on downwind/ base and the helmet nearly tore my head off. It was
the most physically demanding thing I have ever done in my life!!!!
Doug: Some years ago the late A.J.Smith took off from a local airport in
his AJ2 and the canopy came unlatched. The unit, hinged on the right side,
remained slightly open and he could not pull it back down by hand. When he
started a turn the canopy flopped over and remained with the aircraft like
an bathtub on the side of the fuselage. He then was faced, literally, with
unprotected eyes, a well over 100kt slipstream at below freezing
temperatures. Realizing he would lose his vision quickly he managed to fly
an abbreviated pattern and land on the departure runway. Makes one think.
Gordon Comfort
N3363GC
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| Subject: | Leaning on ground? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
So whats a good technique for leaning on the ground.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
295 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:12 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
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> Howdy
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> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special
> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
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> thanks
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| Subject: | Re: purge line recommendation? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
Do you even need a purge line? I have a bendix system without a purge line
and mine works fine.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
295 hours
Chicago/Louisville
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:12 PM
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> Howdy
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> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any special
> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
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| Subject: | Re: nav-aid question |
It took me about 4 try's. Fly, remove all the stinking screws, adjust,
repeat. Its just another test in patience.
Enjoy
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
295 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: nav-aid question
In a message dated 8/5/2006 10:22:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bertrv6@highstream.net writes:
Hi:
I am ready to connect my Nav aid. For those with this unit. Is
there
another way to setting the servo to neutral, without having to open
unit?
Bert,
I don't think so. You need to do that mechanical adjustment with the
unit open.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning on ground? |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Jeff Dowling wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling"
> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
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> So whats a good technique for leaning on the ground.
Lean until it burps and then richen it up just a little till it runs
smooth. Even if you have an EGT gauge, the 'by feel' method will be
close to peak EGT.
Linn
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> RV-6A, N915JD
> 295 hours
> Chicago/Louisville
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>> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
>> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
>> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any
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>> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
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| Subject: | radio stack mounting - standard widths? |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I was about to mount two 1/16 plates of Al between the sub-panel and
panel in my RV-6A to hold the radio trays, when I noticed that the
mounting tray for my Garmin radio is about 1/32" smaller in width than
the mounting tray for my Garmin transponder. If I proceed with this,
the tray for the radio will have to be shimmed a bit. Is this type of
width variation normal for mounting trays?
If I add something else to the stack in the future, what is the chance
that its tray will be still larger than the transponder's? Should I
provide a little extra width now between the plates to accommodate wide
trays in the future? Of course then, everything will have to be shimmed.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Will an RV Fly without the slider canopy |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
If you plan a cross-country cruise in even a moderately powered RV-8
without a canopy, I suggest a very good GPS and electronic Jepp plates .
. . 'cause you'll never be able to unfold a sectional map.
I asked Danny King from Texas this same question some time back when our
California Central Valley summer temperatures were hovering over 100
degrees. He wisely told me to quit day dreaming and get back to
building.
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
Visalia Municipal Airport, Hanger B-5
Vice-President, EAA Tex Rankin Chapter #262
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| Subject: | SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
More radio tray problems:
My Garmin SL-30 was supplied with an aluminum tray that has 3/16"
mounting holes punched in the side, but it only has about 1/32" of space
for the screw head - any larger than that and the radio will hit it when
it slides in the tray. Perhaps a #4 pan head screw would fit. Or, I
could just rivet the thing to the support frame.
What have other people done to mount this tray?
The Garmin GTX-327 transponder tray comes with 3/16" screw holes also,
and they are countersunk. The countersinks are no where near deep
enough to accommodate a #10 screw or a #8 either.
Does any one have any advice on how to secure this to the mounting frame?
Thanks,
--
Tom S., RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning on ground? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
Make sure to lean it far enough so that it will stumble if you go to
high power. That way you can't inadvertently try to take off with
the mixture leaned, which could trigger detonation (low altitude take
off is assumed here). If you lean it as Linn suggests, you will be
fine, as the engine will definitely be running very poorly if you try
to take off with the mixture that far back.
Kevin Horton
On 5 Aug 2006, at 13:40, linn Walters wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
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> Jeff Dowling wrote:
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>> So whats a good technique for leaning on the ground.
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> Lean until it burps and then richen it up just a little till it
> runs smooth. Even if you have an EGT gauge, the 'by feel' method
> will be close to peak EGT.
> Linn
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>> Shemp/Jeff Dowling
>> RV-6A, N915JD
>> 295 hours
>> Chicago/Louisville
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>>> --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
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>>> Howdy
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>>> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection
>>> system. What
>>> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in
>>> front of
>>> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need
>>> any special
>>> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
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>>> thanks
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>>> Erich Weaver
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Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Seems like they could at least have some kind of standard within the
same company!!!! :-P
I use #6 hardware, and drill new holes in the trays to keep them lined
up if I need to. Then I dimple from inside the tray ..... I use the
nail-type dimpler ........ and shim as necessary. My whole radio stack
is assembled on the bench and installed in the panel as a unit, even
with all the ckt breakers if I can do it. This allows me to
add/change.troubleshoot wiring as necessary on the bench. All
connections between the airframe and the stack are through a connector.
That way I can disconnect, yank and haul the whole mess to the bench.
Almost all the satellite parts .... vor heads, displays, that sort of
thing, are connectorized anyway, and if you're haveing a problem with
one unit, you can pull it and the stack and play on the bench. In the
air conditioning. In comfort.
Linn
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sarg314 wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
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> More radio tray problems:
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> My Garmin SL-30 was supplied with an aluminum tray that has 3/16"
> mounting holes punched in the side, but it only has about 1/32" of
> space for the screw head - any larger than that and the radio will hit
> it when it slides in the tray. Perhaps a #4 pan head screw would
> fit. Or, I could just rivet the thing to the support frame.
>
> What have other people done to mount this tray?
>
> The Garmin GTX-327 transponder tray comes with 3/16" screw holes also,
> and they are countersunk. The countersinks are no where near deep
> enough to accommodate a #10 screw or a #8 either. Does any one have
> any advice on how to secure this to the mounting frame?
>
> Thanks,
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| Subject: | radio stack mounting - standard widths? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Tom,
Same problem here. I have the Garmin's GTX 320, SL40, GMA 347 and King
KX155 in the same rack. The SL40 is wider than all of the others and the
mounting angles were bowed slightly the get the SL40 rack between the
angles -- angles clecoed top and bottom and center holes drilled after
the SL40 rack was inserted between the angles. I used screws and
nutplates to secure the angles to the panel vs. rivets. I also used a
file to slightly enlarge the hole in the panel to allow the SL40 to be
inserted in the rack. It is not visually noticeable and the radio
faceplate hides the edges of the hole anyway.
Bill
RV-7 wiring
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:02 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
I was about to mount two 1/16 plates of Al between the sub-panel and
panel in my RV-6A to hold the radio trays, when I noticed that the
mounting tray for my Garmin radio is about 1/32" smaller in width than
the mounting tray for my Garmin transponder. If I proceed with this,
the tray for the radio will have to be shimmed a bit. Is this type of
width variation normal for mounting trays?
If I add something else to the stack in the future, what is the chance
that its tray will be still larger than the transponder's? Should I
provide a little extra width now between the plates to accommodate wide
trays in the future? Of course then, everything will have to be
shimmed.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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| Subject: | SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays |
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Tom, I may have some pictures if you're interested -- may have to send
off line.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 1:11 PM
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
More radio tray problems:
My Garmin SL-30 was supplied with an aluminum tray that has 3/16"
mounting holes punched in the side, but it only has about 1/32" of space
for the screw head - any larger than that and the radio will hit it when
it slides in the tray. Perhaps a #4 pan head screw would fit. Or, I
could just rivet the thing to the support frame.
What have other people done to mount this tray?
The Garmin GTX-327 transponder tray comes with 3/16" screw holes also,
and they are countersunk. The countersinks are no where near deep
enough to accommodate a #10 screw or a #8 either.
Does any one have any advice on how to secure this to the mounting
frame?
Thanks,
--
Tom S., RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: purge line recommendation? |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Erich:
I treated it like any other fuel line. I used steel braided teflon
throughout.
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
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>> Howdy
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>> I need to install a fuel purge line for my fuel injection system. What
>> kind of hose do folks recommend for the portion that will be in front of
>> the firewall? Since its only a purge line, does it really need any
>> special
>> protection (i.e, steel braid and/or firesleeve)?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Erich Weaver
>>
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| Subject: | Re: SL-30 and GTX-327 mounting trays |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
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> More radio tray problems:
>
> My Garmin SL-30 was supplied with an aluminum tray that has 3/16"
> mounting holes punched in the side, but it only has about 1/32" of space
> for the screw head - any larger than that and the radio will hit it when
> it slides in the tray. Perhaps a #4 pan head screw would fit. Or, I
> could just rivet the thing to the support frame.
>
> What have other people done to mount this tray?
>
> The Garmin GTX-327 transponder tray comes with 3/16" screw holes also,
> and they are countersunk. The countersinks are no where near deep
> enough to accommodate a #10 screw or a #8 either.
> Does any one have any advice on how to secure this to the mounting frame?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom S., RV-6A
Tom,
I can't address the problem with the SL-30. However, my GTX 320A uses the exact
same tray as your GTX 327. I used AN509-10 flush screws to mount my GTX 320A,
Icom A200 and RMI uMonitor. You are correct that the dimple in the tray of the
Garmin transponder does not allow the head of the screw to fit flush. However,
there is room to install the radio with the screw head protruding. The protruding
screw head actually acts as an internal shim, to steady the radio in the
tray.
The Garmin tray was wider (thicker material) than my other 2 trays. I simply made
shims to compensate on the Icom and the uMonitor. I am very pleased with the
fit and cosmetics of my installation.
I suspect that you will find your SL-30 fits between the installed screw heads.
If it doesn't, you could always dimple the tray mounting holes.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
I can attest to the dumping oil overboard scenario having just
experienced it on my trip to Oshkosh. The Lyc in my Navion has a similar
adapter for the prop governor with a thin plate sandwiched by two
paper-thin gaskets. One of the gaskets let go (at the high pressure
port) and it was pumping a quart out every 2 hours. It turned out to be
one of the cheapest to fix problems I've had but it was unnerving and
could have been worse. Be careful if you have that setup. Use the
manuals to be sure you get it right.
Greg Young
>
> The metal plate goes between two gaskets, and the trio is
> then placed between the gov and the case. It seems that
> there is an oil passage that is too close to the edge of the
> mating surfaces, and without the plate the gasket material
> can blow out and port all you oil overboard. IIRC, there is
> at least one such scenario in the archives. And, yes, it's
> quite easy to chuck the plate with the gaskets. You may
> wonder how I know that...
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Bearden" <jb.flynavy@gmail.com>
want to know if my spray gun is usable.
i set up a clean air line for spray priming, and then bought an el cheapo spray
gun from hft. the gun has some oil on the internal parts apparently for lube
or preservation from the manufacturer.
is this normal? can i clean the gun maybe by spraying some mek or alcohol through
it?
thanks for any newbie education...
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: is this spray gun ok? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jim Duckett" <perfeng@3rivers.net>
Jeff,
Just use some wash thinner and run it through the gun. I'm assuming that
it's a siphon type gun (looks like a Binks 7) Best is to break down the gun
as you would for cleaning.
Jim D.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 3:36 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Bearden" <jb.flynavy@gmail.com>
>
> want to know if my spray gun is usable.
>
> i set up a clean air line for spray priming, and then bought an el cheapo
> spray gun from hft. the gun has some oil on the internal parts apparently
> for lube or preservation from the manufacturer.
>
> is this normal? can i clean the gun maybe by spraying some mek or alcohol
> through it?
>
> thanks for any newbie education...
> jeff
>
> --------
> -Clam
> ------------------
>
>
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>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
Unfortunately, those photos were too offensive for some and have been removed from
the site.
jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Not sure if these have been posted here or not, sorry if this link has
> already been posted.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showpost.php?p=63452&postcount=12
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