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1. 02:19 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Jerry Springer)
2. 02:26 AM - Re: is this spray gun ok? (Doug Gray)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Doug Gray)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (RV6 Flyer)
5. 06:17 AM - Re: Leaning on ground? (Mark Sletten)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Accident photos (Dave Johnson)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Ron Lee)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Larry Bowen)
10. 09:42 AM - More on fuel breather problems ... (Nic)
11. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Jerry Springer)
12. 10:18 AM - Re: More on fuel breather problems ... (Kyle Boatright)
13. 12:17 PM - Accident pictures (Jerry Springer)
14. 12:29 PM - Re: Accident pictures (linn Walters)
15. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (bertrv6@highstream.net)
16. 04:49 PM - Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (bertrv6@highstream.net)
17. 04:49 PM - New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... (Matt Dralle)
18. 04:56 PM - Electronics International 6 cyl Deluxe Pkg for sale (John Burnaby)
19. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Jerry Springer)
20. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Darrell Reiley)
21. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
22. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (David Maib)
23. 07:42 PM - Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming (LarryRobertHelming)
24. 08:12 PM - Misl bolts (Sportypilot)
25. 08:51 PM - Re: Accident pictures (low pass)
26. 09:19 PM - Oshkosh accident (linn Walters)
27. 11:19 PM - Re: Re: Accident photos (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
involved but if it were me in that
situation I would want those photos posted everywhere, so other pilots
would never be lax about what is
going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than any
words could ever be plus there was nothing
offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I have seen much
worse on TV and newspapers when it
comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
Jerry
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Dave Johnson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
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| Subject: | Re: is this spray gun ok? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Yes, I've recently broken in a couple of new guns and can advise that
they were assembled with quite a bit of oil. Clean it well before first
priming session. Perhaps a trial paint run to sort out settings before
pointing at some airplane parts would be wise.
Doug
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On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 14:36 -0700, Jeff Bearden wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Bearden" <jb.flynavy@gmail.com>
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gun from hft. the gun has some oil on the internal parts apparently for lube
or preservation from the manufacturer.
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it?
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> jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I agree..
The photos were priceless lesson material. I'm annoyed now that I did
not save copies in my 'Pilotage' directory. They should be mandatory
viewing for every tail-dragger pilot.
If someone has copies I would be grateful to receive them. Perhaps they
could be posted as attachments to the 'list.
Doug Gray
On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 02:18 -0700, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
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> worse on TV and newspapers when it
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Not pictures but info:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060804X01093&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060804X01093&key=2
Typically users of the forum upload images to: http://www.imageshack.us but
I have not found a way to seach for what others have stored there.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,932 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I agree..
The photos were priceless lesson material. I'm annoyed now that I did
not save copies in my 'Pilotage' directory. They should be mandatory
viewing for every tail-dragger pilot.
If someone has copies I would be grateful to receive them. Perhaps they
could be posted as attachments to the 'list.
Doug Gray
On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 02:18 -0700, Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
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> They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
> involved but if it were me in that
> situation I would want those photos posted everywhere, so other pilots
> would never be lax about what is
> going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than any
> words could ever be plus there was nothing
> offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I have seen much
> worse on TV and newspapers when it
> comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
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> Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Leaning on ground? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Sletten" <marknlisa@hometel.com>
Shemp,
Leaning your engine on the ground will greatly reduce the lead deposits on
your spark plugs. The anti-lead agent incorporated in AvGas doesn't activate
until things get hot - generally around 1800 RPM. Anytime you operate the
engine rich below that heat threshold you will be depositing lead on the
plugs.
Here's a good way to ground lean (Lycoming recommended):
Most people taxi with the RPM near idle; there's plenty of thrust to keep
rolling. You do, however, need a little more than that to get things
rolling, so you need to find the lowest RPM at which the aircraft starts to
move.
1. Taxi to a level area and close the throttle to idle.
2. Slowly advance the throttle with your feet off the brakes until the
aircraft starts to roll; note the RPM.
3. Stop.
4. Set the throttle to the RPM noted before (usually around 1200).
5. Lean the mixture until the RPM starts to drop off.
That's it! Set aside your fears of taking off with the mixture too lean -
your engine with falter and die if you advance the throttle beyond 1200 RPM
(or wherever you set the mixture). Similarly, have no fear of "burning up"
your engine due to an over-lean condition - you cannot over-lean the engine
at power settings below 75%.
If you don't want to go through the whole level ground thing (or if your
airplane starts rolling with the RPM at idle), just use 1200 RPM - it's
usually enough to get you started rolling unless you're pointed up a steep
hill. If you find you need a little more RPM to get started (grass, steep
hill, nose gear sharply turned, all of the above!) just push in the mixture
until you get started, then go back to your lean setting at 1200 RPM.
The first couple of times through the procedure will take some time; after
that it becomes second nature. You'll find yourself ground leading after
landing (as soon as you turn off the runway, of course) while taxiing to
parking.
A final note, do a 20 second run-up (at least 1800 RPM) prior to every
engine shut down. This will activate the anti-leading agent in the fuel
further reducing lead deposits. I run up to 1800 RPM, time for 20 seconds,
quickly back to 1200 RPM, then immediately pull the mixture to kill the
engine. If you don't touch the throttle, the next time you start the engine
it will already be at 1200 RPM - ready for setting the mixture to ground
lean.
Mark Sletten
Legacy FG N828LM
http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
Spot on, Jerry. I got "moderated" on the VAF site for suggesting that it was poor
judgement to remove the photos, and requesting a considerably broader censoring
policy to allow such things in the future. The personal attacks toward me
that followed from a handful of other posters were something to behold. If anyone
has the photos, I will be glad to host them on my web server and link them
back here. I'm going to start appending "if it pleases the king and his loyal
subjects" to my posts over there [Laughing]
I'm sure Doug is a great guy, but that experience was not a positive one for me.
Dave
jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
> They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
> involved but if it were me in that
> situation I would want those photos posted everywhere, so other pilots
> would never be lax about what is
> going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than any
> words could ever be plus there was nothing
> offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I have seen much
> worse on TV and newspapers when it
> comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
>
> Jerry
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52731#52731
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
>involved but if it were me in that
>situation I would want those photos posted everywhere, so other pilots
>would never be lax about what is
>going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than any
>words could ever be plus there was nothing
>offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I have seen much
>worse on TV and newspapers when it
>comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
>
>Jerry
I agree Jerry. I seldom get any educational value from accident reports
since most are
Darwinism case studies but this one was not something that I considered
happening.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
About a year and a half ago the Matronics RV-10 list was essentially
dead and all of the -10 builders were on one of Doug's Yahoo list.
Several of us started to experience his idea of what was socially
acceptable through his moderation and so we worked with Matt to make a
couple of small modifications to his RV-10 list. Once completed we all
promptly mutinied and left the Yahoo list which promptly shriveled and
died. What really PO'd me was when he started to edit my posts with
absolutely no comment that he did so. That was the last straw for me.
I feel a little sense of satisfaction that his RV-10 forum on his
website never took off either.
I do not know Doug personally nor have I ever met him. I also think
his website adds value to the RV community. But understand that he now
runs it as a business to make money. He may have started it with other
ideas but he has long since realized the profit potential and does not
tolerate any criticism of his actions. I just wish he would drop the
pretense that anything the site makes are for his kids college fund. As
a business it is his right to edit any content on his site whereas these
Matronics lists are a true community that is allowed to work through its
issues and determine what is acceptable.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 on hiatus
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:19 AM
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
Spot on, Jerry. I got "moderated" on the VAF site for suggesting that it
was poor judgement to remove the photos, and requesting a considerably
broader censoring policy to allow such things in the future. The
personal attacks toward me that followed from a handful of other posters
were something to behold. If anyone has the photos, I will be glad to
host them on my web server and link them back here. I'm going to start
appending "if it pleases the king and his loyal subjects" to my posts
over there [Laughing]
I'm sure Doug is a great guy, but that experience was not a positive one
for me.
Dave
jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
> They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
> involved but if it were me in that situation I would want those photos
> posted everywhere, so other pilots would never be lax about what is
> going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than
> any words could ever be plus there was nothing offensive about them,
> just a horrible accident site. I have seen much worse on TV and
> newspapers when it comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
>
> Jerry
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52731#52731
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
http://flickr.com/photos/bowen/tags/oshkosh2006accident/
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Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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> From: RV6 Flyer [mailto:rv6_flyer@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Accident photos
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
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> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060804X01093&key=1
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> http://www.imageshack.us but I have not found a way to seach
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> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,932 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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> I agree..
> The photos were priceless lesson material. I'm annoyed now that I did
> not save copies in my 'Pilotage' directory. They should be mandatory
> viewing for every tail-dragger pilot.
> If someone has copies I would be grateful to receive them.
> Perhaps they
> could be posted as attachments to the 'list.
> Doug Gray
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> On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 02:18 -0700, Jerry Springer wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
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> > They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for
> the families
> > involved but if it were me in that
> > situation I would want those photos posted everywhere, so
> other pilots
> > would never be lax about what is
> > going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth
> more than any
> > words could ever be plus there was nothing
> > offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I
> have seen much
> > worse on TV and newspapers when it
> > comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
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| Subject: | More on fuel breather problems ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Many thanks for the suggestions on the fuel breather problems on my RH tank.
here are the latest observations :
If I blow through the breather from the inlet under the fuselage, then air
reaches the far end of the breather in the upper corner of the tank.
If I fill the tank (below the tank breather level ) in hot weather fuel will
start to vent underneath the aircraft and come out in a constant stream that
appears as though it is siphoning, this will continue until a lot of fuel
has been lost and the tank has lost a considerable amount of fuel.
My concussion is that there maybe a leak in the breather on the inside of
the tank. Fuel leaks into the breather, and as the air in the tank expands
it forces the fuel out along the breather. Once pressurised the fuel starts
to flow, and then siphons until equilibrium is reached.
Problem - how do I fix the leak without removing the tank and messing up an
expensive paint job ? or am I barking up the wrong tree ? At nearly
$10/gal I would really like to fix this problem. Any suggestions
appreciated.
Rgds, Nic
PS - THIS IS A QB READY-BUILT VANS TANK
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
I see that Larry Bowen has posted a link to the photos, but just in case
I did save copies of them I could send to anyone.
Jerry
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>--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
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>The photos were priceless lesson material. I'm annoyed now that I did
>not save copies in my 'Pilotage' directory. They should be mandatory
>viewing for every tail-dragger pilot.
>If someone has copies I would be grateful to receive them. Perhaps they
>could be posted as attachments to the 'list.
>Doug Gray
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>>would never be lax about what is
>>going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than any
>>words could ever be plus there was nothing
>>offensive about them, just a horrible accident site. I have seen much
>>worse on TV and newspapers when it
>>comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
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>>Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: More on fuel breather problems ... |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
A guess is that something has come loose where the vent line attaches to an
AN fitting inside the tank rib at the wing root. In an RV-6 tank, you can
access that fitting by removing the fuel tank access/sender plate at the
root end of the fuel tank.
Once you have access to the fitting, you can tighten it and maybe apply a
little proseal where it goes through the tank rib.
KB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:40 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
> Many thanks for the suggestions on the fuel breather problems on my RH
> tank.
> here are the latest observations :
>
> If I blow through the breather from the inlet under the fuselage, then air
> reaches the far end of the breather in the upper corner of the tank.
>
> If I fill the tank (below the tank breather level ) in hot weather fuel
> will
> start to vent underneath the aircraft and come out in a constant stream
> that
> appears as though it is siphoning, this will continue until a lot of fuel
> has been lost and the tank has lost a considerable amount of fuel.
>
> My concussion is that there maybe a leak in the breather on the inside of
> the tank. Fuel leaks into the breather, and as the air in the tank expands
> it forces the fuel out along the breather. Once pressurised the fuel
> starts
> to flow, and then siphons until equilibrium is reached.
>
> Problem - how do I fix the leak without removing the tank and messing up
> an
> expensive paint job ? or am I barking up the wrong tree ? At nearly
> $10/gal I would really like to fix this problem. Any suggestions
> appreciated.
>
> Rgds, Nic
>
> PS - THIS IS A QB READY-BUILT VANS TANK
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Accident pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
Interesting reading
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060804X01093&key=2
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| Subject: | Re: Accident pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
"An EAA official reported that the aircraft taxiing on Papa taxiway
between the P-1 taxiway and Tower Road taxiway are not controlled by ATC
ground control or by EAA marshallers. "
I bet they will next year!!!
Linn
do not archive
Jerry Springer wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
>
> Interesting reading
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060804X01093&key=2
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> About a year and a half ago the Matronics RV-10 list was essentially
> dead and all of the -10 builders were on one of Doug's Yahoo list.
> Several of us started to experience his idea of what was socially
> acceptable through his moderation and so we worked with Matt to make a
> couple of small modifications to his RV-10 list. Once completed we all
> promptly mutinied and left the Yahoo list which promptly shriveled and
> died. What really PO'd me was when he started to edit my posts with
> absolutely no comment that he did so. That was the last straw for me.
> I feel a little sense of satisfaction that his RV-10 forum on his
> website never took off either.
>
> I do not know Doug personally nor have I ever met him. I also think
> his website adds value to the RV community. But understand that he now
> runs it as a business to make money. He may have started it with other
> ideas but he has long since realized the profit potential and does not
> tolerate any criticism of his actions. I just wish he would drop the
> pretense that anything the site makes are for his kids college fund. As
> a business it is his right to edit any content on his site whereas these
> Matronics lists are a true community that is allowed to work through its
> issues and determine what is acceptable.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 on hiatus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:19 AM
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
>
> Spot on, Jerry. I got "moderated" on the VAF site for suggesting that it
> was poor judgement to remove the photos, and requesting a considerably
> broader censoring policy to allow such things in the future. The
> personal attacks toward me that followed from a handful of other posters
> were something to behold. If anyone has the photos, I will be glad to
> host them on my web server and link them back here. I'm going to start
> appending "if it pleases the king and his loyal subjects" to my posts
> over there [Laughing]
>
> I'm sure Doug is a great guy, but that experience was not a positive one
> for me.
>
> Dave
>
>
> jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
> > They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
>
> > involved but if it were me in that situation I would want those photos
>
> > posted everywhere, so other pilots would never be lax about what is
> > going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than
> > any words could ever be plus there was nothing offensive about them,
> > just a horrible accident site. I have seen much worse on TV and
> > newspapers when it comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
>
> I for one, do not want to see, the tragic results of this or any accident.
Is bad enough, that one of our brothers in what we love most, flying, has
met such fate.
I do not belong to this generation for sure....this nonsense of" freedom"
to profanity, vulgarity, pronography, show anything, do anything you want
any time you want...
The total degeneration os Society, no morals no right or wrong...
Bert
rv6a
dop not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52731#52731
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting LarryRobertHelming <lhelming@sigecom.net>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:05 AM
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
> >
> > RV7A - IO360
> > I'm planning to install 5/8" blast tubes from baffling to fuel pump, 1
> > mag,
> > and alternator.
> >
> > Routing and securing to baffling is easy but any tricks on securing the
> > end
> > where the component is so the cooling
> > blast actually hits the fuel pump? Adel clamps stategically placed?
> > Pics?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve
> > RV7A flying soon!
> >
> ((((((((()))))))))
> I found a good bit of use for safety wire when securing the blast tubes to
> keep them aimed where wanted. Simple to use.
>
> Indiana Larry with one trip to OSH completed.
> >
>
> Larry:
I use tie wraps, to secure end of plastic corrugated, tubes, to hold
them where they suppose to stay for cooling.
A better way, is to use a piece of,soft wire, I think is about 1/8 or so
thick, the length of the cooling tube, inserted inside it, and attached end
in loop,with a screw, to convenient place, screw and nut.. or perhaps
nut-plate..
I do not know name of wire or where to get it...it feels like lead, is easily
bend and twist...yet strong enough to hold, seen in some planes..works well.
'
bert
rv6a
donot archive
>
>
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| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Electronics International 6 cyl Deluxe Pkg for sale |
I have an EI 6cyl (all probes + 4 extras, manuals, warranty cards)
Deluxe Instrument Package (http://www.buy-ei.com/Panel%20Package.htm)
for sale. It has never been in a plane and all the warranty cards are
waiting to be activated. The instruments have a total of 30 minutes time
that was incurred during a dyno run. They were new then and worked
flawlessly. I've decided to go with an EFIS/EIS combo glass panel.
EI gets $4600 for this panel of gauges. I'm asking $3200/ best offer.
Please email me off list
jonlaury@impulse.net
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>Quoting "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
>><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>> About a year and a half ago the Matronics RV-10 list was essentially
>>dead and all of the -10 builders were on one of Doug's Yahoo list.
>>Several of us started to experience his idea of what was socially
>>acceptable through his moderation and so we worked with Matt to make a
>>couple of small modifications to his RV-10 list. Once completed we all
>>promptly mutinied and left the Yahoo list which promptly shriveled and
>>died. What really PO'd me was when he started to edit my posts with
>>absolutely no comment that he did so. That was the last straw for me.
>>I feel a little sense of satisfaction that his RV-10 forum on his
>>website never took off either.
>>
>> I do not know Doug personally nor have I ever met him. I also think
>>his website adds value to the RV community. But understand that he now
>>runs it as a business to make money. He may have started it with other
>>ideas but he has long since realized the profit potential and does not
>>tolerate any criticism of his actions. I just wish he would drop the
>>pretense that anything the site makes are for his kids college fund. As
>>a business it is his right to edit any content on his site whereas these
>>Matronics lists are a true community that is allowed to work through its
>>issues and determine what is acceptable.
>>
>>Michael Sausen
>>-10 #352 on hiatus
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
>>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:19 AM
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
>>
>>Spot on, Jerry. I got "moderated" on the VAF site for suggesting that it
>>was poor judgement to remove the photos, and requesting a considerably
>>broader censoring policy to allow such things in the future. The
>>personal attacks toward me that followed from a handful of other posters
>>were something to behold. If anyone has the photos, I will be glad to
>>host them on my web server and link them back here. I'm going to start
>>appending "if it pleases the king and his loyal subjects" to my posts
>>over there [Laughing]
>>
>>I'm sure Doug is a great guy, but that experience was not a positive one
>>for me.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the families
>>>
>>>
>>>involved but if it were me in that situation I would want those photos
>>>
>>>
>>>posted everywhere, so other pilots would never be lax about what is
>>>going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than
>>>any words could ever be plus there was nothing offensive about them,
>>>just a horrible accident site. I have seen much worse on TV and
>>>newspapers when it comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I for one, do not want to see, the tragic results of this or any accident.
>>
>>
>Is bad enough, that one of our brothers in what we love most, flying, has
>met such fate.
>
>I do not belong to this generation for sure....this nonsense of" freedom"
>to profanity, vulgarity, pronography, show anything, do anything you want
>any time you want...
>
>The total degeneration os Society, no morals no right or wrong...
>
>Bert
>
>rv6a
>
>
>
Certainly no right or wrong here morally, there is no connection to any
of the things you have listed above
As a flight instructor we are shown all kinds of graphic photos and
videos at our FIRC (Flight instructor refresher course)
This is done to help us learn and teach ways to prevent similar types of
accidents from happening. I believe these photos
are a learning and teaching tool. Runway incursions are a serious
problem in aviation right now and the FAA is pushing hard to
educate all pilots about this problem. I bet someday these photos show
up at one of the FIRCs I attend.
Bert if you did not see them you should. IMO. Specially in light of the
fact it was one of our brothers who loved flying.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Bert,
I think that's why the "Subject Line" was labeled
accident photos so that people could elect to review
the post or move on. There was absolutely nothing in
the photos but information and an education for other
pilots. At an event such as OSH, I sure wouldn't take
the mind set that this could never happen to me! It
could have happened to anyone. We are saddened by the
accident and we have the utmost respect for the
family. It's a HUGE loss. I bet if you ask pilots that
have read the NTSB report and viewed the photos, they
will state they have learned something from both. And
I would bet the family has seen or will want to
sometime in the future, pictures of this accident.
It's can be a form of closure.
Darrell
do not archive
> > I for one, do not want to see, the tragic results
> of this or any accident.
> Is bad enough, that one of our brothers in what we
> love most, flying, has
> met such fate.
>
> I do not belong to this generation for sure....this
> nonsense of" freedom"
> to profanity, vulgarity, pronography, show anything,
> do anything you want
> any time you want...
>
> The total degeneration os Society, no morals no
> right or wrong...
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> dop not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The interesting thing is the pictures are from a distance and are
hardly graphic in the sense I think many are assuming. But then again I
guess at 36 I'm part of that younger generation.
To each his own and no one should be forced to see something. I
believe an individual should be given the choice and I do not want
someone else making a moral decision for me.
But then again I could be completely wrong. :)
Michael
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Accident photos
--> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>Quoting "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>:
>
>
>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
>><rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>> About a year and a half ago the Matronics RV-10 list was essentially
>>dead and all of the -10 builders were on one of Doug's Yahoo list.
>>Several of us started to experience his idea of what was socially
>>acceptable through his moderation and so we worked with Matt to make a
>>couple of small modifications to his RV-10 list. Once completed we
>>all promptly mutinied and left the Yahoo list which promptly shriveled
>>and died. What really PO'd me was when he started to edit my posts
>>with absolutely no comment that he did so. That was the last straw
for me.
>>I feel a little sense of satisfaction that his RV-10 forum on his
>>website never took off either.
>>
>> I do not know Doug personally nor have I ever met him. I also think
>>his website adds value to the RV community. But understand that he
>>now runs it as a business to make money. He may have started it with
>>other ideas but he has long since realized the profit potential and
>>does not tolerate any criticism of his actions. I just wish he would
>>drop the pretense that anything the site makes are for his kids
>>college fund. As a business it is his right to edit any content on
>>his site whereas these Matronics lists are a true community that is
>>allowed to work through its issues and determine what is acceptable.
>>
>>Michael Sausen
>>-10 #352 on hiatus
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Johnson
>>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:19 AM
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Johnson" <rv@discursion.com>
>>
>>Spot on, Jerry. I got "moderated" on the VAF site for suggesting that
>>it was poor judgement to remove the photos, and requesting a
>>considerably broader censoring policy to allow such things in the
>>future. The personal attacks toward me that followed from a handful of
>>other posters were something to behold. If anyone has the photos, I
>>will be glad to host them on my web server and link them back here.
>>I'm going to start appending "if it pleases the king and his loyal
>>subjects" to my posts over there [Laughing]
>>
>>I'm sure Doug is a great guy, but that experience was not a positive
>>one for me.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>jsflyrv(at)verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They were up when I posted the link. I am truly sorry for the
>>>families
>>>
>>>
>>>involved but if it were me in that situation I would want those
>>>photos
>>>
>>>
>>>posted everywhere, so other pilots would never be lax about what is
>>>going on around them at all times. Those photos were worth more than
>>>any words could ever be plus there was nothing offensive about them,
>>>just a horrible accident site. I have seen much worse on TV and
>>>newspapers when it comes to aircraft accidents and auto accidents.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I for one, do not want to see, the tragic results of this or any
accident.
>>
>>
>Is bad enough, that one of our brothers in what we love most, flying,
>has met such fate.
>
>I do not belong to this generation for sure....this nonsense of"
freedom"
>to profanity, vulgarity, pronography, show anything, do anything you
>want any time you want...
>
>The total degeneration os Society, no morals no right or wrong...
>
>Bert
>
>rv6a
>
>
>
Certainly no right or wrong here morally, there is no connection to any
of the things you have listed above As a flight instructor we are shown
all kinds of graphic photos and videos at our FIRC (Flight instructor
refresher course) This is done to help us learn and teach ways to
prevent similar types of accidents from happening. I believe these
photos are a learning and teaching tool. Runway incursions are a serious
problem in aviation right now and the FAA is pushing hard to educate all
pilots about this problem. I bet someday these photos show up at one of
the FIRCs I attend.
Bert if you did not see them you should. IMO. Specially in light of the
fact it was one of our brothers who loved flying.
Jerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Accident photos |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
You are spot on Darrell. The photos were not gruesome. Coupled with
the NTSB report, I have learned a big lesson from this sad event.
These things CAN happen to any of us, so each time we learn from a
painful event like this, we will reduce the chance of being involved
in this type of accident.
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
tailcone
On Aug 6, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Darrell Reiley wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Bert,
I think that's why the "Subject Line" was labeled
accident photos so that people could elect to review
the post or move on. There was absolutely nothing in
the photos but information and an education for other
pilots. At an event such as OSH, I sure wouldn't take
the mind set that this could never happen to me! It
could have happened to anyone. We are saddened by the
accident and we have the utmost respect for the
family. It's a HUGE loss. I bet if you ask pilots that
have read the NTSB report and viewed the photos, they
will state they have learned something from both. And
I would bet the family has seen or will want to
sometime in the future, pictures of this accident.
It's can be a form of closure.
Darrell
do not archive
>> I for one, do not want to see, the tragic results
> of this or any accident.
> Is bad enough, that one of our brothers in what we
> love most, flying, has
> met such fate.
>
> I do not belong to this generation for sure....this
> nonsense of" freedom"
> to profanity, vulgarity, pronography, show anything,
> do anything you want
> any time you want...
>
> The total degeneration os Society, no morals no
> right or wrong...
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> dop not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Blast tubes - Lycoming |
--> RV-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Threaded brass rods will also work in place of the heavy wire. I have used
the bent rods with safety nuts or nuts with lock washers and the safety wire
with success for holding blast tubes in place. Larry in Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertrv6@highstream.net>
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:05 AM
>>
>>
>> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Steve & Denise" <sjhdcl@kingston.net>
>> >
>> > RV7A - IO360
>> > I'm planning to install 5/8" blast tubes from baffling to fuel pump, 1
>> > mag,
>> > and alternator.
>> >
>> > Routing and securing to baffling is easy but any tricks on securing the
>> > end
>> > where the component is so the cooling
>> > blast actually hits the fuel pump? Adel clamps stategically placed?
>> > Pics?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Steve
>> > RV7A flying soon!
>> >
>
> I use tie wraps, to secure end of plastic corrugated, tubes, to hold
> them where they suppose to stay for cooling.
>
> A better way, is to use a piece of,soft wire, I think is about 1/8 or so
> thick, the length of the cooling tube, inserted inside it, and attached
> end
> in loop,with a screw, to convenient place, screw and nut.. or perhaps
> nut-plate..
>
> I do not know name of wire or where to get it...it feels like lead, is
> easily
> bend and twist...yet strong enough to hold, seen in some planes..works
> well.
> '
> bert
>
> rv6a
>
> donot archive
>
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I am looking for an 10-24 1/2 bolts with holes on the heads for the
lycoming 0320 seal retainer so I can
mount my prop and spacer.. anyone have a good location to get these, I
have looked everywhere locally..
#10 24threads per inch 1/2 long.. any ideas ? I need 4 of them..
Danny..
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| Subject: | Re: Accident pictures |
--> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth. wrote:
> "An EAA official reported that the aircraft taxiing on Papa taxiway
> between the P-1 taxiway and Tower Road taxiway are not controlled by ATC
> ground control or by EAA marshallers. "
>
> I bet they will next year!!!
> Linn
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Jerry Springer wrote:
>
>
> >
>
Still all comes back to not taxiing when you apparently aren't looking where you're
going!
I hope for no changes next year. I really appreciate the effort of the volunteers
at Oshkosh and other fly-ins, but I will never trust them explicitly. No
one should.
I learned something with this - you can bet I'll keeping an eye on what might be
taxiing behind me.
2 cents
Bryan
--------
Bryan -8
Houston
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=52984#52984
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| Subject: | Oshkosh accident |
low pass wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "low pass" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>
>
>pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth. wrote:
>
>
>>"An EAA official reported that the aircraft taxiing on Papa taxiway
>>between the P-1 taxiway and Tower Road taxiway are not controlled by ATC
>>ground control or by EAA marshallers. "
>>
>>I bet they will next year!!!
>>Linn
>>
>>do not archive
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>>Jerry Springer wrote:
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>Still all comes back to not taxiing when you apparently aren't looking where you're
going!
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>I hope for no changes next year. I really appreciate the effort of the volunteers
at Oshkosh and other fly-ins, but I will never trust them explicitly. No
one should.
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>I learned something with this - you can bet I'll keeping an eye on what might
be taxiing behind me.
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>2 cents
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>Bryan
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Bryan, this was an accident waiting to happen. I've witnessed other
accidents by tail-draggers chewing up airplanes in front of them. When
I'm taxiing in the Pitts, I'm as blind as that Avenger pilot was. I
truly can relate. However, I don't have that wide of a gear and can
s-turn on a narrow taxiway with no problem. He really can't. The power
he'd use to swing the tail back and forth would blow lesser planes
following out in the boonies. I read the NTSB report and understood
exactly how it happened. The addition of volunteers with paddles to
regulate the flow on the taxiway could have prevented this accident. It
may be as simple as a golf cart on the grass to aid those pilots with
forward visibility problems .... and as I said, it doesn't reside only
with the warbirds ..... would go a long way to prevent a reoccurrence.
The only other solution would be to set up departure times by type and
I'm sure nobody wants that. What saddens me me about this accident is
that it truly was preventable ..... like most accidents are. This is
what I meant about learning from the accident. Keeping a close (or even
wary) eye on the airplane behind you means you aren't paying total
attention on the one in front of you, and that could put you in the same
place as the Avenger. That wasn't meant to flame .... just to offer a
different take on it.
Linn
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
This is bit of a rant and you may have heard it from me before, so of course
delete if you want. Strong disagreement would be appropriate if you think
I'm off base.:
...........
I'm with Jerry on this one. We have censored each other to the point that we
can't talk about and learn anything from the loss of those who share our
interest in flying little airplanes. We can't talk about Scott Crossfield's
accident because that might not show the respect he deserves. We shouldn't
look at pictures of a beautiful RV-6 chopped up by a prop because it might
offend someone's sensibilities?
None of us get out of this life alive and it stands to reason and past
experience that some of us are going to take our RV's with us. So again and
again, we are going to face the choice of trying to learn from a tragic
event, or to avert our eyes and avoid question or comment lest we offend the
dead, injured, their survivors, family, friends, or those who would have
been friends had they had a chance to know them. If you have been on this
list for very long you have likely lost good friends and friends you hadn't
actually met face to face yet.
So here's MY request: If I screw up, or am the victim of someone else's
screw-up, or if my tail falls off because I forgot to bolt it on properly or
if I land long on a short runway or short of a long runway or if I scud run
myself into a mountain, or run out of gas crossing Puget Sound, please feel
free to postulate, speculate, blame, ridicule or whatever it takes to learn
enough from my misfortune, bad judgment or stupidity to prevent some other
soul from doing what lead to my demise. If I survive my misadventure I will
most likely want to set the record straight or paint myself in a more heroic
light, but if I don't, you will be on your own to sort it out.
Make the best of it.
What do you think the military's accident rate would be like if the S.O.P.
after an accident was for everyone to stick their head in the sand and
pretend it didn't happen?
My apologies in advance if anyone feels flamed by this. I do not want to
offend, just convince you that the more we know the safer we are. They put a
sheet over dead bodies out of respect of the dead and the sensibilities of
the living. That, in my mind, is the appropriate amount of censorship.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
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