---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/10/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:16 AM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel (L Klingmuller) 2. 06:06 AM - Capella (John Furey) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel (SCOTT SPENCER) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: LSE Plugs... (Bob J.) 5. 10:47 AM - TBM (Wheeler North) 6. 11:36 AM - Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Jeff Dowling) 7. 12:33 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Kevin Horton) 9. 01:00 PM - Re: Capella (George Tyler) 10. 01:20 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Randy Lervold) 11. 03:12 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Dan Checkoway) 12. 05:11 PM - Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel (Kevin Horton) 13. 08:27 PM - io360-a1b (gert) 14. 08:48 PM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Steven DiNieri) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:07 AM PST US From: "L Klingmuller" Subject: re: RV-List: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel In my tip up 6A I had it in the panel next the six pack. Did not work at all. So I moved it to the glareschield. Still debating if I should replace it with a regular whisky compass as it still not what it should be. Oh yes, GPS have made compass obsolete but then again it is required and you may find out the GPS does not work. Lothar ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:31 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: Capella I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella with a Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions about this plane? Thanks John 2 RV6A completed RV7 in process ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:34 AM PST US From: SCOTT SPENCER Subject: RV-List: Re: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel The issue with vertical card compasses when mounted in a panel is two-fold. First, they are more sensitive to local magnetic fields. Second, and much worse is that they use a BIG magnet on a needle bearing and no damping fluid. They will just spin around in circles under certain resonant vibrations. They are horribly affected by vibration. It also wears out the pivot bearings very fast. This is why the manufacturers of these devices provide very soft and cushioned mounts for them -for out of the panel applications only. I tried on in a panel myself a few years back -even talked to the manufacturer about it... It just plain didn't work for the above reasons. Scott N4ZW ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:51 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: LSE Plugs... Useful link for deciphering NGK spark plug numbers... http://www.kaila.net/tl125/tl125ngkcode.html Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:54 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: TBM --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North Thanks Gert, It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the horizon of stuff. I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and the rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa which may have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and didn't know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could have fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into it. Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until it's too late. As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head on a swivel at all times on any airport. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:01 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd. I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin' radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok. Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 295 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: RV-List: TBM > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Thanks Gert, > > It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the horizon > of stuff. > > I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... > > It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and > the > rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa which > may > have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. > > The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and > didn't > know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could have > fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into > it. > > Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither > pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until it's > too late. > > As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head on > a > swivel at all times on any airport. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:06 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> RV-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Since you are near us in Chicago, you should join the Ohio Valley Rvators. We have more than 50 RV's flying, weekend get togethers, have a great formation team, and yearly clinic. We now have over 400 members and growing. Rick Gray runs the group and a bunch of them have made this trip several times and should be able to help you with what exactly you do and do not need. Takes just a few minutes to join, great group of guys and great resources for international travel. Hope this helps. Dan 40269 (N289DT) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dowling Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd. I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin' radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok. Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 295 hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: RV-List: TBM > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Thanks Gert, > > It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the horizon > of stuff. > > I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... > > It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and > the > rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa which > may > have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. > > The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and > didn't > know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could have > fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into > it. > > Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither > pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until it's > too late. > > As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head on > a > swivel at all times on any airport. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:03 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio permits. Kevin Horton Ottawa, Canada On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" > > > Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this > wknd. I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed > a stinkin' radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks > down the drain. Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee > for air traffic control, which I dont know how it will be charged, > and its costing a lot more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the > fishing is ok. > > Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im > planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs > 24 hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet. > > Shemp/Jeff Dowling > RV-6A, N915JD > 295 hours > Chicago/Louisville > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: RV-List: TBM > > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North >> >> Thanks Gert, >> >> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the >> horizon >> of stuff. >> >> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... >> >> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the >> TBM and the >> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa >> which may >> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. >> >> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane >> and didn't >> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios >> could have >> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran >> into it. >> >> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie >> neither >> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location >> until it's >> too late. >> >> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA >> head on a >> swivel at all times on any airport. >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:40 PM PST US From: "George Tyler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Capella I built and flew one, It was a fun plane, great in the summer with the doors off. Flew about 90-105 mph. I got rid of it when I got my RV-6, but lots of times I wish I still had it for those low and slow days. Although I had no trouble with the manufacturer or the kit, I think he did have problems with timely deliveries that caused more than a few customer complaints. I am not even sure if they are still in business. George ----- Original Message ----- From: John Furey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: RV-List: Capella I have a friend that needs to go to LSA. He has come across a Capella with a Rotax912 that fits his price, anyone have information or opinions about this plane? Thanks John 2 RV6A completed RV7 in process ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:09 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" I've been across the border a few times and like Kevin, was never asked for it. Our chapter has a good guide to flying to Canada although some of the data applies to us out west... http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/index.html Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever > asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft. > They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along, > drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio > permits. > > Kevin Horton > Ottawa, Canada > > > On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" >> >> >> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd. >> I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin' >> radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. >> Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic >> control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot >> more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok. >> >> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im >> planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 >> hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet. >> >> Shemp/Jeff Dowling >> RV-6A, N915JD >> 295 hours >> Chicago/Louisville >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM >> Subject: RV-List: TBM >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North >>> >>> Thanks Gert, >>> >>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the >>> horizon >>> of stuff. >>> >>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... >>> >>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and >>> the >>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa >>> which may >>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. >>> >>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and >>> didn't >>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could >>> have >>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into >>> it. >>> >>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither >>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until >>> it's >>> too late. >>> >>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head >>> on a >>> swivel at all times on any airport. >>> >>> >>> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:26 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Jeff, Same here as Kevin...haven't been asked for my radio station license or restricted radiotelephone operator's permit (only flew to Canada once, Mexico several times). But I do have 'em to be "safe." Something you DO need to carry is a "Standardised Validation of a Special Airworthiness Certificate-Experimental" aboard your U.S. built homebuilt airplane. Doesn't need to be signed or anything, just print it out and carry it with your aircraft docs. See the bottom of this page: http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/ ...and here's a direct link: http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf Gotta love how easy it is flying to Canada! I hope to fly to BC one of these years. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1030 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) > --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton > > I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever > asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft. > They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along, > drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio > permits. > > Kevin Horton > Ottawa, Canada > > > On 10 Aug 2006, at 14:34, Jeff Dowling wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" >> >> >> Im planning on making my first international leg with my rv this wknd. >> I checked out aopa's site and was surprised to find I needed a stinkin' >> radio operators permit for me and the plane. 155 bucks down the drain. >> Then another 25 for a customs decal. Add the fee for air traffic >> control, which I dont know how it will be charged, and its costing a lot >> more than I thought. Oh well, Ive heard the fishing is ok. >> >> Any suggestions from anyone familiar with this type of flying? Im >> planning on landing in Ontario at Dryden and plan to call customs 24 >> hours in advance. No idea where to clear in MN yet. >> >> Shemp/Jeff Dowling >> RV-6A, N915JD >> 295 hours >> Chicago/Louisville >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:46 PM >> Subject: RV-List: TBM >> >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North >>> >>> Thanks Gert, >>> >>> It sounds like the TBM just missed seeing the smaller plane in the >>> horizon >>> of stuff. >>> >>> I might be painting my rudder day glo orange just because... >>> >>> It also sounds like there was initially a large gap between the TBM and >>> the >>> rest of the traffic when it first approached the north end of Papa >>> which may >>> have also led to him not identifying which was the next in line. >>> >>> The bottom line there is that if he was following the wrong plane and >>> didn't >>> know about the RV than nothing outside like walkers or radios could >>> have >>> fixed that as they would not know that he didn't know until he ran into >>> it. >>> >>> Which is pretty much what happens in most mid air collisions ie neither >>> pilot has identified the other's presence and relative location until >>> it's >>> too late. >>> >>> As has already been said, a lot of S/A and a little prayer... AKA head >>> on a >>> swivel at all times on any airport. >>> >>> >>> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:41 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel Vertical Card Compass in RV Panel --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton On 10 Aug 2006, at 08:14, L Klingmuller wrote: > Oh yes, GPS have made compass obsolete but then again it is > required and you may find out the GPS does not work. The compass isn't obsolete if ATC asks you to fly a particular heading. They often give specific headings to various aircraft to ensure separation between them. This works as long as all the aircraft are actually flying heading. But, if there is a strong wind, there may be a large difference between heading and track. If one aircraft is flying heading, and another one is flying track, then separation may be compromised. I do agree that if you are navigating somewhere, track info is extremely useful, and heading info is much less useful. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:47 PM PST US From: gert Subject: RV-List: io360-a1b --> RV-List message posted by: gert Hi Folks can anybody tell me the difference between the 06A19956 and STD2217 oil seals, both are 7/8" i.d. x 1-1/2" o.d. x 5/16" wide. according to the parts book, my vacuum pump adapter should have the 06A19956 seal, but has the STD2217 seal and it needs replacing, also, in the parts book, page 2-4 of the parts manual, it shows steel ring #3 to sit on top of the drive gear, under the tail of #16. However on page 5-4 of the overhaul manual as well as on page 1-23 of the limits and torque supplement, it shows the steel ring under the snapring holding the shaft in place. I looked at two adapters, and wouldn't u know, one had the ring on top and one had the ring at the bottom. Anybody knows the correct placement?? any input greatly appreciated. Thanks Gert -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:22 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Steven DiNieri" I fly between Niagara falls and Toronto and can tell you I've also never had to show anyone a radio license. The Canadian immigration are great to deal with. I simply arrive at a port of entry, then from the fbo call customs and they will ask questions and possibly visit you if they feel the need. The problem is coming home. Once I was threatened with incarceration for opening the aircraft canopy before the customs agent said it was ok.....plus he was already pissed for me being 10 minutes early. I think Part of my punishment was to sit and bake in the sun...but dont despair, my marine experience has been exactly the same. So I know they're not singling out flyboys and flygirls. Steve d 40205 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton I have flown across the border hundreds of times, and no one has ever asked to see my radio operators permit, nor the one for the aircraft. They are much more worried about what type of food you might have along, drugs, alcohol, guns, etc. Don't waste your time or money on the radio permits. Kevin Horton Ottawa, Canada --