---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/17/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:15 AM - Re: Looking for AN816-4-6D (Bob J.) 2. 07:50 AM - Re: Looking for AN816-4-6D () 3. 07:53 AM - builder's bookstore bargain basement (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 4. 07:55 AM - Re: Rv 7 wing kit for sale (Tim Bolton) 5. 08:06 AM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Lockamy, Jack L) 6. 08:12 AM - Re: Flying to Canada from US (and back) (Jeff Dowling) 7. 08:16 AM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Gerry Filby) 8. 08:33 AM - Re: Looking for AN816-4-6D (Gerry Filby) 9. 09:08 AM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Dan Checkoway) 10. 09:30 AM - free fuse jig (Kevin Shannon) 11. 11:01 AM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (JOHN STARN) 12. 12:07 PM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Jerry Grimmonpre) 13. 12:22 PM - Canopy care question (bertrv6@highstream.net) 14. 12:30 PM - Battery to firewall (bertrv6@highstream.net) 15. 12:57 PM - Re: Battery to firewall (Ralph E. Capen) 16. 12:57 PM - Re: Battery to firewall (Sam Buchanan) 17. 03:50 PM - Re: Battery to firewall (Rquinn1@aol.com) 18. 07:15 PM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Tom & Cathy Ervin) 19. 07:47 PM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Morocketman@aol.com) 20. 07:55 PM - Re: Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville (Brian Kraut) 21. 08:30 PM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (JhnstnIII@aol.com) 22. 09:40 PM - Re: Aluminum control stick option (PSPRV6A@aol.com) 23. 09:41 PM - Re: Aluminum control stick option (PSPRV6A@aol.com) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 08/16/06 (glen matejcek) 25. 10:02 PM - Re: Battery to firewall (Darrell Reiley) 26. 10:12 PM - Re: Tail lifting during full power static test (Jerry Springer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D Gerry, the best way to deal with this IMO is to make a 90 deg. fitting by welding a 1/8" NPT pipe nipple to a 1/4" NPT pipe nipple as shown in the attached image. I occasionally fly this F1, it has the AFS system and the fuel flow readings are rock-solid. The flow transducer was moved here from a different location in the center tunnel near the boost pump. The flow transducer did not work well near the boost pump. Note that a small bracket was made to support the flowscan transducer. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 8/16/06, Gerry Filby wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > I'm trying to install my Advanced Flight Systems fuel totalizer > between the fuel controller and the distribution block. The > hoses are AN4 and the totalizer has #6 pipe fittings - so I > think that should be AN816-4-6D. Neither Spruce nor Wicks > lists them - any leads on where I can get it ? > > __g__ > > ========================================================= > Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com > Tel: 415 203 9177 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:51 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D --> RV-List message posted by: Dan, Exactly! #6 implies 3/8" in regards to AN tubing. However, 3/8" NPT is huge. My transducer is also 1/4" NPT. I figured that he was confusing definitions. Charlie Kuss ---- Dan Checkoway wrote: > Charlie, > > Pretty sure Gerry's transducer has 1/4" NPT female "ports" on it. > > On an injected 360, despite the fuel supply hose being a -6, the metered fuel line (servo to flow divider) is just a -4...at least on every installation I've ever seen. > > )_( Dan > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charlie Kuss > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D > > > At 01:59 PM 8/16/2006, you wrote: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > I'm trying to install my Advanced Flight Systems fuel totalizer > between the fuel controller and the distribution block. The > hoses are AN4 and the totalizer has #6 pipe fittings - so I > think that should be AN816-4-6D. Neither Spruce nor Wicks > lists them - any leads on where I can get it ? > > __g__ > > Gerry, > I'm a bit confused by your question. By definition, an AN816 fitting is AN male tubing (flare) on one end and male pipe thread (NPT) on the other. You have an AN4 hose, so you need #4 tube fitting on one end. What do you mean by #6 pipe fitting? Pipe fitting is either 1/16", 1/8", 1/4", 3/8" or 1/2" NPT or NPT. Do you need 1/4" NPT or 3/8" NPT? > Charlie Kuss > PS, Why would a fuel line for an RV only be AN4? > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:56 AM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: RV-List: builder's bookstore bargain basement --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Here are some closeout items and sales from Builders Bookstore. There are only a few left, so its first come first served. These discounts are not posted on our web catalog, so if you are interested in anything here, please respond by e-mail or call 800 780-4115 TO SEE OUR REGULAR CATALOG GO TO WWW.BUILDERSBOOKS.COM Orders over $50 ship free in USA. 1] George Orndorf RV Construction Videos RV-6/7/8 Prepunched Empennage - VHS $30 2 left RV-9 Empennage - VHS $30 3 left RV 7/8 Wings - VHS $30 3 left RV 7/8 Wings - DVD $30 2 left RV-6 Fuselage - VHS $30 1 left RV-8 Fuselage - VHS $30 3 left RV-6/7 Finishing Kit - VHS $30 1 left RV-8 Finishing Kit - VHS $30 4 left 2] A&P Mechancs Powerplant Textbook by Avotek $30 3 left (reg $45) 3] A&P Mechanics Aircraft Systems Textbook by Avotek $20 1 left (reg $30) 4] Care & Lube of Lycoming Engines VHS-PAL format $10 8 left (reg $20) 5] Advanced Composites (previous edition) $15 1 left (reg $30) 6] ASA Instrument Pilot Virtual Course CDs 2006 $60 2 left (reg $100) 7] ASA Private Pilot Virtual Course 2006 CDs $60 2 left (reg $100) 8] ASA TestPrep CD - Instrument 2006 $35 2 left (reg $50) 9] ASA TestPrep CD - Commercial 2006 $35 2 left (reg $50) 10] ASA TestPrep CD - A&P Mechanics $90 3 left (reg $125) 11] Jeppesen Helicopter Flightschool - VHS $25 2 left (reg $50) 12] Annual Inspection Powerplant - DVD $20 sale (reg $35) 13] Gleim pilot logbook - hard cover $6 sale (reg $8) 14] Flight Guide - eastern states includes free update $20 4 left (reg $40) 15 Flight Guide - central states includes free update $20 6 left (reg $40) Thanks, Andy Gold RV-6A N-5060 do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:13 AM PST US From: "Tim Bolton" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rv 7 wing kit for sale Jim, If you still decide to sell the wing kit I'm interested. You can email or call me at 704-617-4889. Tim Bolton Charlotte, NC www.TheRV7.com DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: J2j3h4@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: RV-List: Rv 7 wing kit for sale Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to abandon my RV 7 project and have a wing kit for sale. It has not been started and is still in the original shipping crate. I am asking $5200 for it, which was the price from Van's when I bought it, but will consider reasonable offers. The current price at Van's was $5800 the last time I checked. I also have a lot of miscellaneous items - instruments, elevator electric trim kit, wet vacuum pump, air/oil separator, empennage fairing, and probably a few other small things lying around. Please call or email if you need any of these. Do not archive. Jim Hasper 615-483-0306 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test From: "Lockamy, Jack L" Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown. I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing... Jack ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:47 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I just got back from Ontario. Canadian customs was a snap. No one was at the airport so I called canpass and got a number and went on my way. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 300+ hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Doble" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying to Canada from US (and back) > --> RV-List message posted by: "Mark Doble" > > i'm planning on flying to Tornonto in the next month... > > Anyone that has flown the Canadian border a few times..... > > have you ever been asked for proof of $100,000 liability insurance? > > thanks, > > Mark. > > ps. not looking for any insurance recommendations....thanks. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby Did you're engine supplier not run your engine in the test stand before delivering it to you ? It should be marked in the log book, I think. I.E. do you really need to run it for a whole hour ? Aerosport ran my engine for a total of 45 mins before it was delivered - so apart from a short short "shake down" run and some taxi tests - its next run will be the wild blue yonder. g > Listers--We are close to flying our RV-6. On the airworthiness > certificate > application it requires the builder to state that "the powerplant > installation has undergone at least one hour of ground > operation at various speeds from > idle to full power. . . ." Yesterday during the first full > power static test > holding brakes and with the stick full aft the tail came up on > me. Because > I was approaching full power gradually (being nervous about > just this sort of > possibility) I was able to quickly close the throttle before > the prop hit > the ground. > > Aircraft has an 0-360 and constant speed prop. Aircraft was > light with just > me aboard and a few gallons of fuel. Aircraft was recently > weighed and > empty CG was a few inches aft of forward limit. > > I was able to complete the test by tying down the tail > securely. It is > still not a pleasant test to do. > > Tonight checking the archives I see this characteristic has > been reported > previously (in 1999) for both the RV-6 and the RV-8 with > constant speed props. > > Thought I would mention it again for anyone out there about to > do this test. > Be very careful. > > LeRoy Johnston in Ohio. > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D From: Gerry Filby --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby Thanks all for your comments - Dan is right about the fittings between the fuel controller and divider (thanks for the correcting the nomenclature Dan) the tubing is terminated with -4 flare fittings. However, the transducer I have (a red brick about 1 1/2" cubed), I'm pretty sure has 3/8 NPT female pipe fittings (I need to double check this tonight when I get to the hangar). I think the intent of the manufacturer of the transducer was that it would generally go between the high pressure side of the engine driven fuel pump and the fuel controller - that's a -6 size hose. Hence the need to reduce the size from a -6 to a -4. Hopefully I haven't been spinning everyone's wheels ... report back tomorrow. Thanks all again. g > > --> RV-List message posted by: > > Dan, > Exactly! #6 implies 3/8" in regards to AN tubing. However, > 3/8" NPT is huge. My transducer is also 1/4" NPT. I figured that > he was confusing definitions. > Charlie Kuss > > ---- Dan Checkoway wrote: > > Charlie, > > > > Pretty sure Gerry's transducer has 1/4" NPT female "ports" on it. > > > > On an injected 360, despite the fuel supply hose being a -6, the metered fuel line (servo to flow divider) is just a -4...at least on every installation I've ever seen. > > > > )_( Dan > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Charlie Kuss > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:04 PM > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D > > > > > > At 01:59 PM 8/16/2006, you wrote: > > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Gerry Filby > > > > > > I'm trying to install my Advanced Flight Systems fuel totalizer > > between the fuel controller and the distribution block. The > > hoses are AN4 and the totalizer has #6 pipe fittings - so I > > think that should be AN816-4-6D. Neither Spruce nor Wicks > > lists them - any leads on where I can get it ? > > > > __g__ > > > > Gerry, > > I'm a bit confused by your question. By definition, an AN816 fitting is AN male tubing (flare) on one end and male pipe thread (NPT) on the other. You have an AN4 hose, so you need #4 tube fitting on one end. What do you mean by #6 pipe fitting? Pipe fitting is either 1/16", 1/8", 1/4", 3/8" or 1/2" NPT or NPT. Do you need 1/4" NPT or 3/8" NPT? > > Charlie Kuss > > PS, Why would a fuel line for an RV only be AN4? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com Tel: 415 203 9177 ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:57 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static testI want to back what Kabong & Jack L. have said. Do we need to circulate that horrible Lancair engine run video again? (no) A lot of bad things can happen when an engine is running, especially if precautions haven't been taken. I've seen videos of RV first engine runs where the plane isn't even chocked, let alone tied down. Can't believe people actually do these things. To me, a not-fully-secured engine start is analogous to CFIT. Pilot error for sure, and it coulda been avoided. For most of us, first engine run is at the end of a 2-10+ year journey. Why risk throwing ANY of that hard work away, or risk somebody getting hurt, or risk somebody else's hard work getting damaged? Don't answer that question. Just be safe. FWIW, my RV-7 tail was tied down securely for my engine runs, and the tail still "hopped" when I did full power runs because my mains were chocked. There is no way to know beforehand whether or not it will do this. -7, or -8, or Rocket, or whatever, regardless of the powerplant. Just be safe. Not that I want to make light of any of this, but see the attached photo to see what can happen if the plane is not secured well enough for that first engine run. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lockamy, Jack L To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown. I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing... Jack ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:56 AM PST US From: "Kevin Shannon" Subject: RV-List: free fuse jig Anybody need a fuse jig in the NW? I am west of Seattle in Seabeck, WA. It is a wood jig, a couple harmon rockets including mine have been built on it, needs to be picked up soon. Call me if interested 206-786-1488 Kevin Shannon Keep your balls centered Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:57 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static testDuring the first runup tests & subsequent "conditional inspection" ground run ups we anchor it down & I drape my 230# self over the tail of HRII N561FS so that Tom is not setting in a pogo stick. IF you don't remove your eyeglasses, not to worry, the prop blast with do it for you. As for end of the runway runups we DO NOT cycle the prop as part of pre-flight. N561FS has more than enough umph to get rolling & take off even if the prop is in cruise. Tom kinda likes the extra kick in the pants during the take off roll (Kinda like the AB on an F-4) when he cycles up the prop during the roll. Runup the engine, cycle the prop with brakes locked = Varooom, big bite of air, ding, ding, thud....followed by a long silence...KABONG Do Not Archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lockamy, Jack L To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown. I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing... Jack ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:14 PM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static testWhat is a safe method for tying down the tail on RV4, RV8. Please cover ALL details if known. Many thanks ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV4 flying RV8A wires ----- Original Message ----- From: Lockamy, Jack L To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown. I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing... Jack ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:00 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Canopy care question --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hi: I have some drops of expoxy, around the lower end of the canopy, which fell when building the fiber glass frame, for the slider. How can one remove these? people I talk to, say cannot be done...without damaging the plexi glass.. Any one has any experience on this? Thanks, Bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:08 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Battery to firewall --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hello: I am thinking of getting rid, of the concord battery, on my rv6a, and install an Odyssey one; on the fire wall, like the new Rv's. Is just to hard to get underneath, the panel, when one needs to serve the battery. Has any one done this,, pro's and conn's ? I do not think the C.G would change that much? I think I have the room for it.. Thanks, Bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:51 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery to firewall --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" I bought Vans Odyssey battery box and a couple of chunks of angle and attached it to the vertical angles below the cutout pan for the oil filter on the aft side of the firewall. The lower two attach bolts allow the unit to hinge down and aft after disconnecting the cables for service. Pictures - zap me direct..... Ralph RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 firewall foreward...... -----Original Message----- >From: bertrv6@highstream.net >Sent: Aug 17, 2006 3:28 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Battery to firewall > >--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > >Hello: > >I am thinking of getting rid, of the concord battery, on my rv6a, >and install an Odyssey one; on the fire wall, like the new Rv's. > >Is just to hard to get underneath, the panel, when one needs to serve >the battery. > >Has any one done this,, pro's and conn's ? I do not think the C.G would >change that much? > > I think I have the room for it.. > > >Thanks, > >Bert > >rv6a > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:52 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery to firewall --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan bertrv6@highstream.net wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net > > > > Hello: > > I am thinking of getting rid, of the concord battery, on my rv6a, > and install an Odyssey one; on the fire wall, like the new Rv's. > > Is just to hard to get underneath, the panel, when one needs to serve > the battery. > > Has any one done this,, pro's and conn's ? I do not think the C.G would > change that much? > > I think I have the room for it.. > > > Thanks, > > Bert > > rv6a Here ya go, Bert: http://thervjournal.com/battery.htm I have been very happy with the firewall-mounted battery on my RV-6. I didn't reweigh the plane but considering the new battery is lighter than the Concord I suspect the mod had very little impact on CG. I couldn't detect any difference in flight characteristics after the move. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:52 PM PST US From: Rquinn1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery to firewall Bert, We did that and have noticed no adverse effects at all. One advantage is the fact that you can get to the new location with a battery charger and even with a jumper cable if you locate the battery near the oil inspection door as we did. We replaced the Odesy battery after 4 years but only because we wanted too. It worked well for us. Rollie & Rod RV6A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:20 PM PST US From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static testDan, At least the RV in the picture has the little wheel on the "Right End" so it won't nose over! Flame Suit On!! Tom in Ohio....RV6-A now at 40 Hours!!! DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Checkoway To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test I want to back what Kabong & Jack L. have said. Do we need to circulate that horrible Lancair engine run video again? (no) A lot of bad things can happen when an engine is running, especially if precautions haven't been taken. I've seen videos of RV first engine runs where the plane isn't even chocked, let alone tied down. Can't believe people actually do these things. To me, a not-fully-secured engine start is analogous to CFIT. Pilot error for sure, and it coulda been avoided. For most of us, first engine run is at the end of a 2-10+ year journey. Why risk throwing ANY of that hard work away, or risk somebody getting hurt, or risk somebody else's hard work getting damaged? Don't answer that question. Just be safe. FWIW, my RV-7 tail was tied down securely for my engine runs, and the tail still "hopped" when I did full power runs because my mains were chocked. There is no way to know beforehand whether or not it will do this. -7, or -8, or Rocket, or whatever, regardless of the powerplant. Just be safe. Not that I want to make light of any of this, but see the attached photo to see what can happen if the plane is not secured well enough for that first engine run. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lockamy, Jack L To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test Why not be safe and ensure the tail is TIED DOWN and SECURE while doing this type of full-power run-up(s) test? Surely there is a place on the airport you could find a well anchored tiedown. I know of two cases at our airport where the tail came up (RV-6s) and both guys ended up buying new props and paying for an engine tiedown prior to first flight. Unbelievable.... but it still continues to happen. Doesn't have to... but it does! Amazing... Jack com/Navigator?RV-List ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:39 PM PST US From: Morocketman@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test I had flown my Harmon Rocket II with IO-540 (260hp) for about half of the 25 hour flyoff time when I decided to start experimenting with what might happen when I was able to take a passenger along. I put a spare tire and wheel from my boat (estimated 20 lbs) in the baggage compartment. The airplane was sooooooooo much easier to maintain directional control on the ground, and just felt better all around. By the way, my tail weight is 43 lbs which is way more than John Harmon likes. I very seldom fly solo now, but when I do, and when I think of it, I put a collapsible 5 gallon water jug in the pit. Not being a math whiz I think it must weigh about 40 lbs plus the tare weight of the jug. When I pickup a passenger, I just dump the water. Not environmentally correct I suppose (creating oasis' is all the wrong places), but it really improves the airplanes manners. I do exercise the prop at 1700 rpm, and wonder what the consequences of not doing so might be. My airplane doesn't seem to be prone to lifting the tail, but I am wary. Be particularly careful with braking on cement or asphalt runways/taxiways or you can send her up on her nose. I had a scare on the first or second flight. Les Featherston N206KT "Airgasm" has 281 hours, and flew just great today. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:22 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville --> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" I want to thank everyone that has helped me with this battle and sent emails of support. I really appreciate it. A lot of people have asked how they can help. I have set up a legal defence fund at http://www.jaxairplane.com/contribute.htm. EAA is trying to get the ordinance changed, but they can't directly help me with my upcoming court case. I would appreciate it if you could pass the link around to any other homebuilders you know and contribute if you can. Thanks. Brian Kraut brian@jaxairplane.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:03 PM PST US From: JhnstnIII@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test "Did you're engine supplier not run your engine in the test stand before delivering it to you ? It should be marked in the log book, I think. I.E. do you really need to run it for a whole hour ? Aerosport ran my engine for a total of 45 mins before it was delivered - so apart from a short short "shake down" run and some taxi tests - its next run will be the wild blue yonder." It was run at the factory, but now it is installed in a new airplane with new fuel lines, engine mount, exhaust system, etc. I would not have felt comfortable signing the form without running it in its current installation and knowing it would go to full power in takeoff/climb attitude. Re the question of how to tie down the tail securely, all I can say is I used an airport tie down that looked solidly anchored with a rope in good condition. I tied it around the tail spring with three loops and two half hitches. I also added about 60 pounds to the baggage compartment. I would not want anyone hanging on the fuselage as some have mentioned. That sounds like asking for trouble. LeRoy Johnston in Ohio. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:08 PM PST US From: PSPRV6A@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Aluminum control stick option I lightened the passenger side steel contol stick about 35% by tapering the OD with a lathe. Easy to do in my shop with a good lathe, I would not trust it to anyone else! A way to save a number of ounces. You don't have to be crazy to be an engineer, but it does help! Bulding RV6A with son Eric, done soon. Paul S. Petersen ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:20 PM PST US From: PSPRV6A@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Aluminum control stick option I lightened the passenger side steel contol stick about 35% by tapering the OD with a lathe. Easy to do in my shop with a good lathe, I would not trust it to anyone else! A way to save a number of ounces. You don't have to be crazy to be an engineer, but it does help! Bulding RV6A with son Eric, done soon. Paul S. Petersen ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:32 PM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV-List Digest: 28 Msgs - 08/16/06 --> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" Hi Gerry- A quick google of the part number yielded http://www.3rsales.com/fasteners.htm glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net > Subject: RV-List: Looking for AN816-4-6D > From: Gerry Filby > I think that should be AN816-4-6D. Neither Spruce nor Wicks > lists them - any leads on where I can get it ? > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:05 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery to firewall --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley Sam, I'm forever indebted to you for your RV-List posts. For years, always great information! Thanks! Darrell do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:52 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Tail lifting during full power static test --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > At least the RV in the picture has the little wheel on the "Right > End" so it won't nose over! > flame suit on DO NOT ARCHIVE I will put my flame suit on first :-) With my 180hp, sensenich fixed pitch prop I can run full throttle and hold it with brakes and full up elevator. Having said that I can also hold the brakes and lift the tail off of the ground and hold the plane in level flight attitude and not be moving. It is very easy to control the pitch attitude of the airplane with the elevator. NOW FOR THE DISCLAIMER I do not advocate anyone here trying this, I learned to fly in tailwheel airplanes back in the 1960s and have owned and flown many tailwheel airplanes. 99% of all of my landings are wheel landings so being on the two mains feels comfortable. Jerry do not archive