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1. 01:08 AM - Re: Electric Flaps option (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
2. 02:17 AM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Doug Gray)
3. 04:45 AM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 05:16 AM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Rick Galati)
6. 07:29 AM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Dan)
7. 08:39 AM - Garmin dimensions in CAD (Bob J.)
8. 09:18 AM - Tire Pressures (James H Nelson)
9. 09:46 AM - jacksonville airplane ordinance (Brian Kraut)
10. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Dale Ensing)
11. 10:45 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (jim lane)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
13. 02:28 PM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (L Klingmuller)
14. 02:46 PM - RV-4 W&B? (Eric Parlow)
15. 03:11 PM - Re: RV-9 for sale (hangerq)
16. 04:17 PM - Re: RV-4 W&B? (Tom Gummo)
17. 04:52 PM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Dave Cudney)
18. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Certification details, was tail lifting... (JhnstnIII@aol.com)
19. 09:09 PM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Dave Cudney)
20. 09:38 PM - Sam James fiberglass video (Dave)
21. 10:09 PM - Re: Tire Pressures (linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flaps option |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/19/06 10:10:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
flyrv6@bryantechnology.com writes:
> I got to ask of any. What are the best speeds for landing?
> start the approach, slow to ?
> maintain this till final
> Then on final slow to ? over the fence?
> Assuming tail wheel and constant speed rv-6
>
> Tim
========================================
Tim:
Landing can NOT be taught on line.
But, for the RV-6 w/C/S Prop that I fly I use 80 Kts (90 MPH) on final. As
for slowing down ... We are talking RV-6 here not gliders, so when the power is
cut she will drop like a rock ... Maybe not Magnetite, more like Glenna.
Slowing down is easy too, just set up for a three point landing. NOT YOU NOSE
DRAGGER TYPES!
Just a PS here ... I have been asked by ATC to keep up the speed while on a
practice ILS because there was a jet on approach; did that at 105 Kts. Still
had no problem slowing down, C/S Prop helped but so does pitch. Who said
BREAKS? I don't need no stinking breaks!
For all the nay-sayers about too much speed - I would recommend, just for
S&G's do some ILS work at both 1.3 x Stall (too slow) and 80 Kts (90 MPH) and
then one about 90 Kts (100 MPH) and then you tell me which gave you the best all
around approach.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
I am planning to add a bracket to the 'pillar' (F-304e) using several of
the pop rivet holes. I may replace some of the pop rivets with nut
plates and #8 screws, this would give more options.
Doug Gray
On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 21:32 -0400, Kyle Boatright wrote:
> I buzzed down to Aircraft Spruce today and took my first really good
> look at a Garmin 396. I realize I'm the last person in the world to
> look at one, but I figure that the farther away I stay from more
> expensive toys, the better on my bank account. One of the neat things
> about dropping in on Aircraft Spruce on a not so busy day was that
> they said "Take the GPS, go outside with it, drive around with it if
> you want." I said "Can I take it for a flight?" and they said "Sure,
> just have it back by closing time." I'm not sure if they meant that,
> but it was nice to take the unit outside the store and run through the
> features for a few minutes. There is simply no way to do that at an
> airshow.
>
> I was very impressed. The menus and features are easy to figure out
> without relying on a manual, and the resolution is awesome.
>
> Anyway, the question I had after giving the thing a good once over is
> "Where would I put one?". I have a Lowrance Airmap 100, which I
> usually just rest on my leg, but I don't think the Garmin will work
> that way.
>
> So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not
> really interested in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already
> spent all of my panel space...
>
> Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your
> suggestions?
>
> Kyle Boatright
> 2001 RV-6
> 400+ hours
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
Kyle,
The GPS is the instrument that you will look at the most, next to your
flight instruments and engine gauges.
Also, it is a device that you need to be able to be able to see and reach to
enter data, like your radio or transponder.
You may want to reconsider and devote some premium panel space to it.
I have my Garmin 295 mounted in the center of the panel on top of the radio
stack as high up under the glareshield as I could get it. Both I and my
"navigator" can see and reach it. I cut the hole in the panel to fit it, and
made the bracket that holds it, but the new ready-made plastic mount would be
just as good if not better.
I know that may not be much help if you are not willing to redo your panel a
little.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 8/19/2006 9:36:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kboatright1@comcast.net writes:
So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not really
interested in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already spent all of my
panel space...
Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your
suggestions?
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
400+ hours
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
Jim,
If you're worried about the -7 being more difficult to fly, don't. I was 53
years old when I started taking flying lessons, and am now 62. I had about
550 hours when I flew the RV for the first time. While I don't really
recommend it, I did not have any transition training. I had a C-150 then a Grumman
AA1C. The Grumman was about the same size as the RV, but the RV is much
easier to fly and land. While the Grumman was good experience, I think I could
have gone right from the 150 to the RV-7A with a few hours of transition
training. Personally, I wouldn't go with the -9 for its more docile flying
habits, the -7 is plenty docile enough! I would even say that the -7A lands as
easily as the Warrior that I took lessons in. In the air it flies like a 150,
except it goes a lot faster. You get used to that in about 3 hours of
flying. I kept loosing the airport on my first flight!
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 8/19/2006 11:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
As a long distance cross-country flyer, I have 2 words for you:
FUEL CAPACITY
I'm not even gonna beat my chest about acro or structure or sportiness or
even top speed. Let's just consider fuel.
Say you put the same O-320 in both an RV-7[A] and an RV-9[A]. 6 more
gallons = another HOUR of flying. Somebody mentioned "long distance
cross-country." I can't help equating fuel capacity to range, all else
being equal.
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1040 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
[quote="kboatright1(at)comcast.ne"]....."Where would I put one?". I have a Lowrance
Airmap 100, which I usually just rest on my leg, but I don't think the
Garmin will work that way.
So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not really interested
in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already spent all of my panel
space...
Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your suggestions?
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
400+ hours
> [b]
Kyle,
You do not indicate what canopy configuration you have but I mounted my handheld
GPS on a simple plate that picks up two existing holes on the roll ball base
to sill attachment. The GPS is affixed to the plate by the tape Garmin provided.
The holding power of that tape is tenacious. This arrrangement serves also
double duty as a place to hang my headset.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/855/img00011140hp0.jpg
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 162 hours
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55861#55861
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| Subject: | Where to put garmin GPS |
I use the 296 in my Cherokee, with no panel space I did not like the yoke mount,
it was too close to me to read without glasses so I got a "Ram Mount" and am
building a bracket to place it in a mid panel location without blocking any critical
instruments,
Dan
Snohomish
-8 tail
Mike Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
I built a new instrument panel and installed it right under the Dynon
D180..... EFIS, Engine Monitor, GPS, Weather, XM satellite radio, all in two
instruments....
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying with a new instrument panel.....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: Where to put garmin GPS
I buzzed down to Aircraft Spruce today and took my first really good look at
a Garmin 396. I realize I'm the last person in the world to look at one, but
I figure that the farther away I stay from more expensive toys, the better on
my bank account. One of the neat things about dropping in on Aircraft Spruce
on a not so busy day was that they said "Take the GPS, go outside with it, drive
around with it if you want." I said "Can I take it for a flight?" and they
said "Sure, just have it back by closing time." I'm not sure if they meant
that, but it was nice to take the unit outside the store and run through the features
for a few minutes. There is simply no way to do that at an airshow.
I was very impressed. The menus and features are easy to figure out without
relying on a manual, and the resolution is awesome.
Anyway, the question I had after giving the thing a good once over is "Where
would I put one?". I have a Lowrance Airmap 100, which I usually just rest on
my leg, but I don't think the Garmin will work that way.
So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not really interested
in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already spent all of my panel
space...
Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your suggestions?
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
400+ hours
com/Navigator?RV-List
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| Subject: | Garmin dimensions in CAD |
Does anyone have a drawing of the outline of the Garmin 196-296-396 in .dxf,
.dwg, .igs, etc. format? I'm doing a panel layout in SolidWorks and am
wondering if anyone has the an outtne drawing to make a hole in the panel.
If not I will take my gps over to a friends machine shop and have them
digitize the outline with their CMM machine.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
Now that the bird is on its own feet, what pressures should they be for
my 9A? Mains seem to keep the pressure but the nose has lost some
pressure. Refilled it to 32#. ??
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | jacksonville airplane ordinance |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Here is a good story in the local paper for those that are following this.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/082006/met_4469159.shtml
Brian Kraut
www.jaxairplane.com
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
Very happy with Garmin 296 in RV-6A slider mounted above the radio stack
which is centered in the panel. Top of 296 is just below glare shield
overhang. Because the slider has a center longitunal former that is the
center support for mounting the panel, it precludes recessing the GPS in the
panel at top center. The 296 is surface mounted with an adapter plate using
Garmin's bracket. Turns out this works very well because it allows for a
slight angle toward the pilot (which can be adjusted) yet the co-pilot can
still see it. Also, it puts the 296 a little bit closer which makes it
easier to see and to reach the push buttons while flying.
One other strange thing. I am using the remote Garmin GPS antenna mounted on
the glare shield. When the remote antenna is placed right behind the GPS it
will not work. The stub antenna mounted on the GPS works but the remote
antenna in the same place does not. Antenna works fine placed forward near
windshield and to right of center support.
Dale Ensing
> So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not
really interested in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already spent
all of my panel space...
>
> Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your
suggestions?
>
> Kyle Boatright
> 2001 RV-6
> 400+ hours
>
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| Subject: | Re: Max Altitude in an RV |
So what is the max altitude of an RV? Did you fly too near the sun?
----- Original Message -----
From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV
I found this George in the archives.
"Note of interest alt champ accordingto Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at
28,600 feet"
Where does one find this information?
I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow.
Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading?
My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude.
I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im
sure I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan
on finding out tomorrow.
Thanks
Mike
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
Kyle,
Until we redid our panel, we used a "Ram Mount" which kind of put it out on
a pedestal with ball joints, lets the copilot view it, etc... They must have a
hundred different combos, so something like that could work.
_http://www.ram-mount.com/_ (http://www.ram-mount.com/)
HTH,
Jerry Cochran
In a message dated 8/20/2006 12:01:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv-list@matronics.com writes:
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: Where to put garmin GPS
<snip>
So, side by side RV'ers, where do you put your Garmin GPS? I'm not
really interested in putting it on the glareshield, and I've already
spent all of my panel space...
Now that I've ruled out most of the obvious places, what are your
suggestions?
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
400+ hours
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| Subject: | Where to put garmin GPS |
Do you have a tip-up or slider??
For two years I had my Garmin 195 loose on my lap/between the seats.
Finally I got off my butt and bought a RAM mount( see page 469, Aircraft Spruce).
Mounted this versatile/adjustable unit with a couple of screws/ bolts on the
left upright spar and cockpit channel. Works great and I like the fact that
I can adjust the GPS for any light conditions. Also, can take the GPS home
for flight planing, dreaming where to fly next etc.
If needed, I can take picture the next time I go to the airport.
Lothar, -6A Tip-up, 650 hrs
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
List,
I'm looking for info on W&B for the RV-4.
Any thing to watch out for?
A W&B file would be great!
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9 for sale |
listers,posting this for a friend not on the list,he has a beautiful
rv9A,that has approx 90 hours on it for sale,I think he wants to be a
repeat offender,everything in the plane is new,it has a new 160 lyc
engine,with a fixed pitch prop,the panel has a Kx155 with vor head,kt76c
transponder/encoder,garmin 155 GPS,the panel was professionally done,he
has a console between the seats with a throttle quadrant mounted on
it,he is asking $107K,i am sure i am not telling all,i have flown beside
this airplane with my 6A with 180 lyc with a CS prop,its fast,he can
keep up with me,if any one is interested he can contact by phone at
this number,910-818 2820
his name is Bobby Ostendorf, the airplane is at the Fayetteville
airport, fayetteville NC
frank goggio RV6A
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo@verizon.net>
try looking here
http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
Tom
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-4 W&B?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>
> List,
>
> I'm looking for info on W&B for the RV-4.
> Any thing to watch out for?
> A W&B file would be great!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Certification details, was tail lifting... |
Gary et al--The form I am looking at does not have form number on it.
Perhpas it was cooked up by our local FSDO. It's really more of a checklist of
items accomplished.
LeRoy Johnston in Ohio.
On an Application for Airworthiness (FAA Form 8130-6
http://forms.faa.gov/redirect.asp?fnumber=8130-6&url=forms/faa8130-6d.pdf&hit
19),
only sections I, II, and III need filed out by the Applicant for an
Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft.
Where are you finding a requirement to run the engine 1 hour? I just
completed my recurrent training on 24 July 2006. I know of NO requirement
for a one hour engine run before your airworthiness inspection.
Gary A. Sobek
DAR Function Code 46 (Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft)
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,936 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://www.rvdar.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: RE: Certification details, was tail lifting...
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Gerry and list-
RE:
>"Did you're engine supplier not run your engine in the test
>stand before delivering it to you ? It should be marked in the
>log book, I think. I.E. do you really need to run it for a
>whole hour ? Aerosport ran my engine for a total of 45 mins
>before it was delivered - so apart from a short short "shake
>down" run and some taxi tests - its next run will be the wild
>blue yonder."
> Listers--We are close to flying our RV-6. On the airworthiness
> certificate
> application it requires the builder to state that "the powerplant
> installation has undergone at least one hour of ground
> operation at various speeds from
> idle to full power. . . ."
I have a couple observations / questions- first, my recollection of the
procedure is that, yes, the "engine installation" has to be run for an
hour. This would indicate that the test cell time does not contribute to
meeting this requirement. However, I just went through my airworthiness
cert ap, and my copy only references the fact that the aircraft was
"inspected and is airworthy and is eligible for the airworthiness
certificate requested". Am I missing something, or has the form been
changed? My copy is dated 10-04. Has the engine run provision been
dropped, or is it relocated somewhere else?
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| Subject: | Re: Where to put garmin GPS |
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| Subject: | Sam James fiberglass video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
Listers
Anyone have a Sam James fiberglass dvd there are ready to sell?
Thanks
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Pressures |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
A really good rule of thumb is to fill the tire with air until the
outside rib just lifts off the ground. With wheel pants it's a PITA to
get a chuck on the stem much less a guage. I get good. even, tire wear
with this method. Also, this method will take care of different
aircraft weights too.
Linn
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James H Nelson wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
>
>Now that the bird is on its own feet, what pressures should they be for
>my 9A? Mains seem to keep the pressure but the nose has lost some
>pressure. Refilled it to 32#. ??
>
>Jim Nelson
>
>
>
>
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