---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/21/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:39 AM - Re: Max Altitude in an RV (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 2. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: Certification details, was tail lifting... (Mike Robertson) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Where to put garmin GPS (Jeff Dowling) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Sam James fiberglass video (Aircraft Technical Book Company) 5. 07:31 AM - Re: NAV AID QUESTION (Albert Gardner) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: Tire Pressures (Charles Rowbotham) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Tire Pressures (Jerry Grimmonpre) 8. 10:08 AM - Re: Tire Pressures (James H Nelson) 9. 10:14 AM - Re: Tire Pressures (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 10. 10:31 AM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Jim Peoples) 11. 10:32 AM - Valve Stem Extender (Ron Lee) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: Tire Pressures (Ernie & Margo) 13. 10:51 AM - Re: Valve Stem Extender (Dale Ensing) 14. 12:39 PM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Darrell Reiley) 15. 12:45 PM - Re: Tire Pressures (linn Walters) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Darrell Reiley) 17. 10:31 PM - Adel clamps on engine bolts (Geoff Evans) 18. 11:20 PM - Re: Adel clamps on engine bolts (Jeff Point) 19. 11:28 PM - Re: Adel clamps on engine bolts (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Got to 24k with passenger. Had plenty left but got run into a holding pattern with Hartsfield runways closed due to storms. Had planes all over the place. Not fun! Anyway now that I have had a good systems check, Im ready to climb to the sun, +/- a few thousand feet. Mike _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim lane Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV So what is the max altitude of an RV? Did you fly too near the sun? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: RV-List: Max Altitude in an RV I found this George in the archives. "Note of interest alt champ according to Van's specs is a 180HP RV-4 at 28,600 feet" Where does one find this information? I think I can beat this # above and plan a run at it tomorrow. Whats the best way to log the data? What makes it an official reading? My goal is to log the highest stock airframe RV altitude. I ran the low 20's altitude last week and was running 190KTAS so Im sure I got a lot of vertical umph left. Don't know how much but I plan on finding out tomorrow. Thanks Mike Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:18 AM PST US From: "Mike Robertson" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Certification details, was tail lifting... Gary, You are correct. There is no requirement to run it for one hour.....but... ....you could look at it the same way as looking at AD's. There is no requ irement for AD's to be accomplished but no ASI or DAR will (or should) sign off an amateur-built aircraft on initial ceretification unless AD's are do ne. Mike Robertson > From: rv6_flyer@hotmail.com> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV-L ist: RE: Certification details, was tail lifting...> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:57:30 +0000> > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" > > On an Application for Airworthiness (FAA Form 8130-6 > http:/ /forms.faa.gov/redirect.asp?fnumber=8130-6&url=forms/faa8130-6d.pdf&hit =19), > only sections I, II, and III need filed out by the Applicant for an > Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft.> > Where are you finding a requir ement to run the engine 1 hour? I just > completed my recurrent training o n 24 July 2006. I know of NO requirement > for a one hour engine run befor e your airworthiness inspection.> > Gary A. Sobek> DAR Function Code 46 (Am ateur Built Experimental Aircraft)> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,936 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA> http://www.rvdar.com> > > > ----Origina l Message Follows----> From: "glen matejcek" > Rep ly-To: rv-list@matronics.com> To: "RV-List Digest Server" > Subject: RV-List: RE: Certification details, was tail lifting...> D ate: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:28:19 -0400> > --> RV-List message posted by: "gle n matejcek" > > Hi Gerry and list-> > RE:> > >"Di d you're engine supplier not run your engine in the test> >stand before de livering it to you ? It should be marked in the> >log book, I think. I.E. do you really need to run it for a> >whole hour ? Aerosport ran my engine for a total of 45 mins> >before it was delivered - so apart from a short s hort "shake> >down" run and some taxi tests - its next run will be the wil d> >blue yonder."> > > Listers--We are close to flying our RV-6. On the airworthiness> > certificate> > application it requires the builder to s tate that "the powerplant> > installation has undergone at least one hour of ground> > operation at various speeds from> > idle to full power. . . ."> > I have a couple observations / questions- first, my recollection of the> procedure is that, yes, the "engine installation" has to be run for an > hour. This would indicate that the test cell time does not contribute to > meeting this requirement. However, I just went through my airworthiness> cert ap, and my copy only references the fact that the aircraft was> "insp ected and is airworthy and is eligible for the airworthiness> certificate r equested". Am I missing something, or has the form been> changed? My copy is dated 10-04. Has the engine run provision been> dropped, or is it relo =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, w eather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:50 AM PST US From: "Jeff Dowling" Subject: Re: RV-List: Where to put garmin GPS --> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" I have the airmap 2000c and put it in the lower left corner of the glare shield with the provided suction clamp. It really works well there. I didnt think I would like it there but I was wrong. Oh yeah, its 2300 dollars cheaper, but no weather capability. Shemp/Jeff Dowling RV-6A, N915JD 300+ hours Chicago/Louisville ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H Nelson" Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: RV-List: Where to put garmin GPS > --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson > > Kyle, > I am putting my GPS on the mount provided my Airmap 500. It will > be bolted to the left side "P/N F704K upright cap strip" that goes from > the spar up to my roll bar. I have put K1000 nuts behind it so I can > mount anything I want in that area. Since it is an area that is fastened > by the blind rivets, you could just drill them out and put in at least > three blind nuts for max holding power. I'm also putting in three blind > nuts on the co-pilots cap strip for any thing else I may want to hook up > in that area. The mount provided by Lowrance is very flexible. I would > thin that Garmin would have something similar. > > Jim Nelson > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:04 AM PST US From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sam James fiberglass video --> RV-List message posted by: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" Builder's Bookstore has them in stock http://www.buildersbooks.com/fiberglass_101.htm?19,52 Andy 800 780-4115 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: RV-List: Sam James fiberglass video > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" > > Listers > > Anyone have a Sam James fiberglass dvd there are ready to sell? > > Thanks > > Dave > > Do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:23 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV-List: NAV AID QUESTION --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" Have you gone through the setup procedure? Make sure the servo is turning the proper way, centered, etc. Once it is properly installed, putting the switch in the wl (right) position, the right hand knob will command a turn, and the trim knob is used just like aileron trim but it will also cause servo movement if you're just checking things out. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- Subject: RV-List: NAV AID QUESTION HI; I FINALLY CONNECTED MY NAV AID.. THAST IS BRACKET TO CONTROL STICK AND PLUG, AND WIRE..ALL FINISHED. BUT NOW....I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE ALERONS, BY TURNING THE KNOB ON THE AID UNIT... IT DOES NOT... NOTHING HAPPENS...I KNOW POWER IS GOING TO THE SERVO, BECAUSE I SAW THE CRANK MOVING WHEN I WAS CENTERED IT,... IT IS FRUSTRATING, I KNOW I AM DOING OR DID SOMETHING WRONG, CHANCES ARE THE UNIT IS OK... WHAT IS THE SUGGESTIONS OF THOSE, WITH THE NAV WING LEVELER UNIT/ ANY ONE HAD SAME TROUBLE/ THANKS BERT RV6A do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:50 AM PST US From: "Charles Rowbotham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have bought a valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to screw onto to the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire pressure and fill if required from outside the wheel pant. Chuck Rowbotham RV- 8A >From: linn Walters >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:12:46 -0400 > >--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters > >A really good rule of thumb is to fill the tire with air until the outside >rib just lifts off the ground. With wheel pants it's a PITA to get a chuck >on the stem much less a guage. I get good. even, tire wear with this >method. Also, this method will take care of different aircraft weights >too. >Linn >do not archive > >James H Nelson wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson >> >>Now that the bird is on its own feet, what pressures should they be for >>my 9A? Mains seem to keep the pressure but the nose has lost some >>pressure. Refilled it to 32#. ?? >> >>Jim Nelson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:17 AM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures Harbor Freight has a convenient fixture for inflating through the wheelpant. http://da.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=tire+inflator 41891-0VGA Central Pneumatic Professional TIRE INFLATOR/GAUGE $9.99 This dude has a rubber covered gauge, 15" tube, push-on feature with rubber seal and a button-to-bleed-off over pressure. Grind off the hold-on clip and discarded that dumb thing. Smooth up the remaining knob and the piece fits a 3/4" hole. Mark the tire for the linning up the valve stem ... you're good to go. $4.99 when on sale. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV4 Flying RV8A Wires > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have bought a > valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to screw onto to > the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire pressure and fill if > required from outside the wheel pant. > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV- > 8A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures From: James H Nelson --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson Hi Linn, Thanks for the return. Several people have given pressures but I think that your idea has much merit. Your right that when the pants are on it is very difficult to measure the pressure. So I think I will try your method. Jim Nelson (damn -- the web is so smart) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:57 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures Jim, About 36 psi is a good number for the mains. For the -9A I would try 30 psi in the nose wheel. I use 32 in the nose wheel, but if I had a smaller engine, I would use less. With too much pressure it might tend to shimmy. Dan Hopper RV-7A 200 hp In a message dated 8/21/2006 10:57:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, crowbotham@hotmail.com writes: >James H Nelson wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson >> >>Now that the bird is on its own feet, what pressures should they be for >>my 9A? Mains seem to keep the pressure but the nose has lost some >>pressure. Refilled it to 32#. ?? >> >>Jim Nelson >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:57 AM PST US From: Jim Peoples Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 or RV-9 ? I got alot of good responses and i appreciate it! After a week of comparing, analyzing, forecasting... I came to the conclusion that i do not know what my requirements may be in 3 yrs, or whether i will want to be doing aerobatics, get an ifr rating, etc. My ultimate, dream aircraft at this point would be an RV-7 with plenty of horsepower and a constant-speed prop... something that would be capable of going in any direction i may want to grow over the next 5 - 10 years. So I have to go for the RV-7! If i am going to spend countless hours in my shop working on this I need to be working on my dream-plane, not something i settled for because i didn't have confidence about my future finances. There will doubtless be compromises as this aircraft becomes a reality, but they won't be engineered into the airframe. thx again, jp (soon-to-b-drivin-rivets) --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:49 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RV-List: Valve Stem Extender --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee >Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have bought a >valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to screw onto to >the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire pressure and fill if >required from outside the wheel pant. > >Chuck Rowbotham Where did you find this Chuck? I had to make one using shorter valve stem extenders connected with locktite. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:41 AM PST US From: "Ernie & Margo" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures --> RV-List message posted by: "Ernie & Margo" Charles, Linn & Others: You can get a fairly flexible valve stem extender at any camper sales outfit if not at an auto store. Being flexible is a big advantage over rigid. I also bought several stubby chromed valve stem caps. I welded a steel rod to a fitting from my scrap bucket. Now I can fill air and install the valve stem cap thru the little access hole in the wheel pants. Simple. > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have bought a > valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to screw onto to > the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire pressure and fill if > required from outside the wheel pant. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:52 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Valve Stem Extender --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Cleveland Tools has a 5 inch extender. see http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/searchprods.asp Or, go to auto parts store and buy a flexible extender that is intended for inner wheel on a dual wheel arranagement. It's about 7 or 8 inches and easier to use because it allows for a bit of mis-alignment of wheel to port in wheel fairing. Dale Ensing > >Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have bought a > >valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to screw onto to > >the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire pressure and fill if > >required from outside the wheel pant. > > > >Chuck Rowbotham > > > Where did you find this Chuck? I had to make one using shorter valve stem > extenders connected with locktite. > > Ron Lee > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:39 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 or RV-9 ? --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley I have to agree with Dan Checkoway. The RV7 with 42 gallons of fuel capacity compared to the 36 gallons with the RV9 must be considered, and the RV7 has less limitations in flight. You'll see us out there looping and rolling and want to join in on the fun... ;-) Darrell --- Jim Peoples wrote: > I got alot of good responses and i appreciate it! > > After a week of comparing, analyzing, > forecasting... I came to the conclusion that i do > not know what my requirements may be in 3 yrs, or > whether i will want to be doing aerobatics, get an > ifr rating, etc. > > My ultimate, dream aircraft at this point would be > an RV-7 with plenty of horsepower and a > constant-speed prop... something that would be > capable of going in any direction i may want to grow > over the next 5 - 10 years. > > So I have to go for the RV-7! If i am going to > spend countless hours in my shop working on this I > need to be working on my dream-plane, not something > i settled for because i didn't have confidence about > my future finances. > > There will doubtless be compromises as this > aircraft becomes a reality, but they won't be > engineered into the airframe. > > thx again, > jp > (soon-to-b-drivin-rivets) > > > --------------------------------- Darrell Reiley RV7A "Reiley Rocket" N622DR Reserved CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:43 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters 'Tis true! I do the same ...... on those tubes with 90 degree stems. However, I also have wheels with 45 degree stems!!!! Linn Charles Rowbotham wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Charles Rowbotham" > > > Re: the PITA of filling tires with wheel pants installed. We have > bought a valve stem extender (about 6" long and thin) this is easy to > screw onto to the wheel valve stem and then you can check the tire > pressure and fill if required from outside the wheel pant. > > Chuck Rowbotham > RV- > 8A > >> From: linn Walters >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tire Pressures >> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:12:46 -0400 >> >> --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters >> >> A really good rule of thumb is to fill the tire with air until the >> outside rib just lifts off the ground. With wheel pants it's a PITA >> to get a chuck on the stem much less a guage. I get good. even, tire >> wear with this method. Also, this method will take care of different >> aircraft weights too. >> Linn >> do not archive >> >> James H Nelson wrote: >> >>> --> RV-List message posted by: James H Nelson >>> >>> Now that the bird is on its own feet, what pressures should they be for >>> my 9A? Mains seem to keep the pressure but the nose has lost some >>> pressure. Refilled it to 32#. ?? >>> >>> Jim Nelson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:17 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 or RV-9 ? --> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley but wouldn't splitting the difference be the RV1...? ;)...8^) Darrell do not archive --- lucky wrote: > neither, split the diff and get the 8. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Ron Lee > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > > > > At 12:05 PM 8/17/2006, you wrote: > > >I could use some feedback from the list on > whether to build an RV7 with a > > >160 HP engine; > > >or an RV9 with a 160 HP engine. > > > > > >With the RV7 i would be at the bottom of the > engine list but able to move > > >up... with the RV9 i would be at the top. > > > > > >are there any other significant differences or > issues that i should be > > >looking at to make this choice? > > > > Sounds like you are building around an engine. > Personally I suggest > > the largest (or close) engine that the > manufacturer/designer approves. > > > > Thus for a -7 I would go no lower than 180 hp. > Some will disagree with > > my view but because I live at 7000' and fly into > the mountains I want > > horsepower. I tell anyone looking to buy a > completed RV to not > > even consider one less than 180 HP. > > > > Is a -9 with 160 HP more marketable than a -7 with > 160 HP? I have > > no idea. > > > > Ron Lee > > > > Do not archive > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:35 PM PST US From: Geoff Evans Subject: RV-List: Adel clamps on engine bolts Standard Adel clamps have a hole that's only big enough for an AN3 bolt, but I need to install some clamps to hold wiring in/around the engine using the AN4 case/sump bolts. Are there special clamps with a 1/4" hole in them, or can I just enlarge the hole in a standard clamp? Thanks. -Geoff RV-8 --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:25 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Adel clamps on engine bolts --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Just enlarge to 1/4 inch. They are especially useful for securing the run of alternator wires under cyls 2 and 4. Use a unibit if you have one, a drill bit will tend to grab the clamp and twist it. Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 preview plans in hand... Milwaukee >* >* > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:34 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Adel clamps on engine bolts In a message dated 8/21/2006 10:33:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hellothaimassage@yahoo.com writes: Standard Adel clamps have a hole that's only big enough for an AN3 bolt, but I need to install some clamps to hold wiring in/around the engine using the AN4 case/sump bolts. Are there special clamps with a 1/4" hole in them, or can I just enlarge the hole in a standard clamp? ================================================ McMaster-Carr has lots of cushioned steel clamps with 1/4" clearance holes. They refer to them as Rubber-Cushioned Steel Loop Straps. I would recommend the Silicone cushioned Type 304 Stainless steel ones. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 805hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)