Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:27 AM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Belue, Kevin)
2. 05:12 AM - Weight Budget Managment Template (Dean Pichon)
3. 07:12 AM - Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website (Dana Overall)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
5. 10:36 AM - Attaching floors with nutplates. (Steve Sampson)
6. 11:49 AM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (Dan Beadle)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (Steve Eberhart)
8. 12:06 PM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (Ralph E. Capen)
9. 12:10 PM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. ()
10. 02:36 PM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (bertrv6@highstream.net)
11. 02:37 PM - Re: Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website (bertrv6@highstream.net)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (Jeff Dowling)
13. 03:31 PM - Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC (bertrv6@highstream.net)
14. 03:32 PM - Re: Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website (Sam Buchanan)
15. 03:43 PM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? (rv6@grandecom.net)
16. 05:08 PM - Re: Anyone Ever Use a Smoke Hood? (Magazine Feedback) (Morocketman@aol.com)
17. 05:33 PM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Darrell Reiley)
18. 05:45 PM - Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? (Kevin Horton)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. (Richard Sipp)
20. 06:52 PM - Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC (Sam Buchanan)
21. 07:33 PM - Today's Trio Autopilot Install (Dana Overall)
22. 09:06 PM - Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC (Albert Gardner)
23. 09:59 PM - Re: Sam James fiberglass video (JAMES BOWEN)
24. 10:21 PM - Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC (Sam Buchanan)
25. 10:43 PM - Unusual ring gear tooth wear (HCRV6@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
In my experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x with 180hp flying together
at the same speed (both with the same prop: fixed pitch or CS, and both with
the same induction: carb. or FI) consume almost exactly the same amount of
fuel. The only variance seems to be the amount one might be able to lean
over the other. If they both fly @ 75% power, the 180hp uses more fuel, but
is going faster (~10 mph).
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A 700hrs.
RV-10 finish
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From: Jack Lockamy [mailto:jacklockamy@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ?
Dan,
You are RIGHT ON (as usual I might add....)! This is EXACTLY what the guys
at Van's and others told me: "...a Lycoming 0-320 160HP engine in an
RV-7/7A is NOT under powered and will actually extend your cross-country
range....". Since 95% or better of my flying is for cross-country purposes
and fuel economy is at the top of my list, I chose the 0-320/160HP engine
option.
One last comment I will share from the same engineer at Van's I spoke with
that day. He said, "it has been their experience that an RV-7/7A Lycoming
0-320 160 HP is the BEST engine/airframe combination...". I've flown both a
180 HP RV-7A and my 160 HP model and the only difference I can tell is climb
in the 160 HP airplane is about 200 FPM on average less than the 180 HP.
Oh.. and I burn about .5 to 1.0 gallons less per hour... thus extending my
cross-country range. I fly 4.0-4.5 hour cross country legs and always have
an hour or better reserve when I land.
Sorry Ron... I know you are an advocate for 180-HP or better in the RV-7/7A
but I venture to same more of us live and fly from airports at/near mean sea
level than 7KFT in the mountains... I've flown my RV-7A from airports at
9KFT density altitude... no problem!
Jack Lockamy
RV-7A N174JL 210 hrs
Lycoming 0-320/160HP/Constant Speed
Camarillo, CA
www.jacklockamy.com
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Century
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Schoolbook";color:blue'>In my
experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x with 180hp flying together
at the
same speed (both with the same prop: fixed pitch or CS, and both with
the same
induction: carb. or FI) consume almost exactly the same amount of fuel.
The
only variance seems to be the amount one might be able to lean over the
other.
If they both fly @ 75% power, the 180hp uses more fuel, but is going
faster
(~10 mph).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Belue<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></strong></p>
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700hrs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></strong></p>
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finish</span></font></i></b></strong><font
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jack
Lockamy
[mailto:jacklockamy@verizon.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August
23, 2006
8:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: RV-List:
RV-7 or RV-9
?RV-7 or RV-9 ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You are RIGHT ON (as usual I might add....)!
This is
EXACTLY what the guys at Van's and others told me: "...a
Lycoming
0-320 160HP engine in an RV-7/7A is NOT under powered and will actually
extend
your cross-country range....". Since 95% or better of my
flying is
for cross-country purposes and fuel economy is at the top of my list, I
chose
the 0-320/160HP engine option.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>One last comment I will share from the same engineer
at
Van's I spoke with that day. He said, "it has been their
experience
that an RV-7/7A Lycoming 0-320 160 HP is the BEST engine/airframe
combination...". I've flown both a 180 HP RV-7A and my 160
HP model
and the only difference I can tell is climb in the 160 HP airplane is
about 200
FPM on average less than the 180 HP. Oh.. and I burn about .5 to
1.0
gallons less per hour... thus extending my cross-country range. I
fly
4.0-4.5 hour cross country legs and always have an hour or better
reserve when
I land.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sorry Ron... I know you are an advocate for 180-HP
or better
in the RV-7/7A but I venture to same more of us live and fly from
airports
at/near mean sea level than 7KFT in the mountains... I've flown
my RV-7A
from airports at 9KFT density altitude... no
problem!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jack Lockamy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>RV-7A N174JL 210 hrs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Lycoming 0-320/160HP/Constant
Speed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font
size=2
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Camarillo</span></font></st
1:City><font
size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">CA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></
p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>www.jacklockamy.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>do not archive<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject: | Weight Budget Managment Template |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
Hi All,
Has anyone made an Excel template for managing a weight budget (not weight
and balance) that they are willing to share. I'm looking for something that
can be configured as an indented bill of materials (BOM), and will sum
weights for assemblies and sub-assemblies. Any help or recommendation would
be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dean
RV-4
Bolton, MA
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| Subject: | Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
It is now Thursday morning as I wait for an afternoon delivery of my Trio
Avionics EZ Pilot and EZ2 Altitude hold with vertical speed. Why the Trio?
After flying with Kahuna and following Sam's Trio/Trutrak/Navaid
progression, I came to the conclusion Trio was at the head of the class. I
like several features of the Trio autopilot such as offset, reversal,
intercept. The vertical speed is a big plus on the altitude hold. Kahuna
relayed to me several aspects incorporated during BETA testing. Trio seems
to be very responsive to BETA input. I will be very careful in time
documentation and step by step pics. I'll get the initial pics up prior to
install start.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id33.html
Man, I hope this works:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
In a message dated 8/24/2006 7:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
KBelue@drs-tem.com writes:
In my experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x with 180hp flying together
at the same speed (both with the same prop: fixed pitch or CS, and both with
the same induction: carb. or FI) consume almost exactly the same amount of
fuel. The only variance seems to be the amount one might be able to lean over
the other. If they both fly @ 75% power, the 180hp uses more fuel, but is
going faster (~10 mph).
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A 700hrs.
RV-10 finish
I would think that the lower weight would give an advantage to the O-320
powered ship.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A 200 HP wishing it were lighter
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| Subject: | Attaching floors with nutplates. |
Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
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| Subject: | Attaching floors with nutplates. |
I did this in my RV8. I wanted access for future plumbing and wiring. In
the RV8, the forward floors are screwed, the rest riveted. The rivet
pattern is much closer, so I figure that using screws will do the job. I did
us #8's though (same as in the front floor). They are 1/3 larger, but
nearly twice as strong.
I also screwed in the floor of the rear baggage area for the same reason.
Dan
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sampson
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: Attaching floors with nutplates.
Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Steve Sampson wrote:
> Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
> installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
I am using #8 screws and nut plates for the floor and baggage area side
panels. Sure hope there isn't a problem with using screws.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, flipping the canoe this weekend.
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I used countersunk #8's for consistency - glad I used the nutplates!
Pictures zap me direct......
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Sampson <ssamps@gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 24, 2006 1:35 PM
>To: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Attaching floors with nutplates.
>
>Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
>installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
>
> Steve Sampson wrote:
>
> > Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
> > installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
>
> I am using #8 screws and nut plates for the floor and baggage area side
> panels. Sure hope there isn't a problem with using screws.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, flipping the canoe this weekend.
Steve,
Early on in my 8A project, my RV guru warned me to avoid using screw/nutplate
combinations smaller than #8. He said that in certified aircraft, the incidence
of broken or seized hardware went WAY up, below #8 size. I even upsized the
#6 tailcone access screws to #8 for that reason.
One tip when using flush #8 screws, use a #17 rather than a #19 drill bit in any
sheet aluminum which will require a #8 dimple. This is because the aluminum
is distorted a considerable amount with #8 and larger flush screws. You are very
likely to get lots of micro cracks (which will spread over time) if you use
the smaller #19 bit. The extra hole size stress relieves the hole during dimpling.
Test this out on a piece of scrap. Check the dimple around the #19 hole
with a Jeweler's loop or magnifying glass.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting chaztuna@adelphia.net:
> --> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
>
> ---- Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
> >
> > Steve Sampson wrote:
> >
> > > Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
> > > installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
> >
> > I am using #8 screws and nut plates for the floor and baggage area side
> > panels. Sure hope there isn't a problem with using screws.
> >
> > Steve Eberhart
> > RV-7A, flipping the canoe this weekend.
>
STEVE;; THAT IS WHAT I DID, NO. 8, HOWEVER, DO NOT PUT MORE THAN THE
NO OF HOLES CALLED IN THE PLANS... I DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, AND
ALMOST DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF SCREWS,,BELIEVE ME IT IS A PAIN, REMOVING
ALL THOSE SCREWS, WHEN YOU NEED TO DO SO... I WONDER IF IS NOT BETTER
TO DO AS ORNDORF SAYS, TO USE POT RIVETS AND THAT IS IT...BUT YOU NEED TO
RUN NEW ELECTRIC CABLES IN THE FUTURE, OR OTHER THINGS, YOU WOULD BE STUCKED
WITH IT...
JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT.
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Steve,
> Early on in my 8A project, my RV guru warned me to avoid using
> screw/nutplate combinations smaller than #8. He said that in certified
> aircraft, the incidence of broken or seized hardware went WAY up, below #8
> size. I even upsized the #6 tailcone access screws to #8 for that reason.
> One tip when using flush #8 screws, use a #17 rather than a #19 drill bit in
> any sheet aluminum which will require a #8 dimple. This is because the
> aluminum is distorted a considerable amount with #8 and larger flush screws.
> You are very likely to get lots of micro cracks (which will spread over time)
> if you use the smaller #19 bit. The extra hole size stress relieves the hole
> during dimpling. Test this out on a piece of scrap. Check the dimple around
> the #19 hole with a Jeweler's loop or magnifying glass.
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> It is now Thursday morning as I wait for an afternoon delivery of my Trio
> Avionics EZ Pilot and EZ2 Altitude hold with vertical speed. Why the Trio?
> After flying with Kahuna and following Sam's Trio/Trutrak/Navaid
> progression, I came to the conclusion Trio was at the head of the class. I
> like several features of the Trio autopilot such as offset, reversal,
> intercept. The vertical speed is a big plus on the altitude hold. Kahuna
> relayed to me several aspects incorporated during BETA testing. Trio seems
> to be very responsive to BETA input. I will be very careful in time
> documentation and step by step pics. I'll get the initial pics up prior to
> install start.
>
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id33.html
>
> Man, I hope this works:-)
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
> DANA: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THAT SYSTEM, IN
COMPARISON, WITH THE ALTRAK UNIT//
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
I would consider using torx screws . I hate removing those #8 phillip
heads. Same with the seat panels and baggage panels.
Shemp/Jeff Dowling
RV-6A, N915JD
295 hours
Chicago/Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: rv-list
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: RV-List: Attaching floors with nutplates.
Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
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| Subject: | Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC |
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Quoting Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
> bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>
>
> > HI; I AM PLANNING TO BUY THE ALTRAC' UNIT...HOPE IT IS EASIER TO INSTALL
> > THAN THE NAV AID...ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A BETTER INSTALLATION/
> >
> > PRO'S AND CON'S /
> >
> > THANKS
> >
> > BERT RV6A
>
>
> Here ya go, Bert:
>
> http://thervjournal.com/altrak.htm
>
> The AlTrak is a good unit. However, for a system with more features
> check out the EZ-1 and EZ-2 pitch autopilots from Trio:
>
> http://thervjournal.com/EZ-2.htm
>
> Whichever system you use, you will be spoiled very quickly! :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
SAM; I HAVE A QUESTION, ON YOUR WEB PAGE, I SEE ON YOUR INSTALLATION
FOR THE ALTRAK,,,THERE ARE TWO UNITS... BUT THEN ON THE
ADVERTISING, FOR ALTRAK, THEY SHOW ONLY ONE THING...
THEY TALK ALSO ABOUT SERVO...WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU BUY
ALTRAK, DO ONE GET EVERYTHING, LIKE YOU HAVE SHOWN ON YOUR
PLANE//
OR IS SOMETHING ELSE..
CAN ONE BUY JUST ONE UNIT, OR IS PART OF THE WHOLE THING..
SORRY ABOUT MY CONFUSION...
THANKS
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Avionics Autopilot Install Website |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
>> DANA: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THAT SYSTEM, IN
> COMPARISON, WITH THE ALTRAK UNIT//
>
> BERT
> RV6A
Everything you need to know about Trio Avionics's systems:
http://www.trioavionics.com
Jerry, Chuck or Sid (the Trio) will be happy to talk to you as well.
Phone number is on the website.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: rv6@grandecom.net
Quoting Hopperdhh@aol.com:
Well said.
>
> In a message dated 8/24/2006 7:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> KBelue@drs-tem.com writes:
>
> In my experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x with 180hp flying together
> at the same speed (both with the same prop: fixed pitch or CS, and both with
> the same induction: carb. or FI) consume almost exactly the same amount of
> fuel. The only variance seems to be the amount one might be able to lean
> over
> the other. If they both fly @ 75% power, the 180hp uses more fuel, but is
> going faster (~10 mph).
>
> Kevin D. Belue
> RV-6A 700hrs.
> RV-10 finish
>
>
> I would think that the lower weight would give an advantage to the O-320
> powered ship.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A 200 HP wishing it were lighter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Ever Use a Smoke Hood? (Magazine Feedback) |
I was very fortunate to have been the recipient of tens of thousands of
dollars of training at the United Airlines center in Denver. Most pilot people
thought the "evac" training to be somewhat of a waste of time, but I always
thought how fortunate I was just receiving the training, and not being there to
report on my accident/incident.
We had a 767 cabin simulator which filled with what they told us was nontoxic
smoke. All of us had a headache that night, but most attributed it too the
amount of relaxant (booze) used at the bar that same evening. Anyway, when
they told us of the times during that past year that some airliner had filled
with smoke, and that they were going to simulate as much as possible the same
scenario. This got my attention.
Within a couple of minutes of our "simulated" departure the cabin filled with
white smoke in a matter of 10 seconds or so, and it was really difficult to
remember where the flashlights, smoke goggles, and SMOKE HOODS were located.
The smoke had no unpleasant effects such as would be had from "good ole Jet-A"
burning, but was immediately intimidating. It was really good to be the
crewman who had access to the smoke hood. Ours had its own 10 minute supply of
oxygen (I think) or compressed air. As soon as you could don the hood you were
the only one in the cabin who could see and think clearly. Sure wouldn't have
wanted to be in dark, burning, black smoke without one.
Having said the above, I wonder if you are thinking of having a smoke hood in
your RV? When you look at the incidents/accidents involving RV's, I think
there is only a slight chance that you might find it effective. I only recall
of one or two accidents where someone had a fire in-flight that a smoke hood
might have helped. Anyone know of more than the two or so?
I would rather see you have a good canopy knife/hammer, halon (breathable)
fire extinguisher, or best of all have a good knowledge of your electrical
emergency procedures to avoid the need for a smoke hood. I think if you have a
significant gasoline produced fire in-flight, you don't have a lot of good
options left. Sorry!
Remember, there is no substitute for experience, but I'd am beginning to
believe that I'd rather have good training in place of "too much" experience.
Please be careful and consider the consequences of all your in-flight decisions,
and prepare for every contingency.
Les Featherston Harmon Rocket II "Airgasm" is still a blast to fly.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I will agree 100%, a 320 platform with a few accessory
mods would be the perfect power plant for the RV7. Use
Dan Checkoways leaning rules, a 320 with FI & EI will
be the efficient performer.
Darrell
--- rv6@grandecom.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: rv6@grandecom.net
>
> Quoting Hopperdhh@aol.com:
>
> Well said.
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 8/24/2006 7:47:25 A.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> > KBelue@drs-tem.com writes:
> >
> > In my experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x
> with 180hp flying together
> > at the same speed (both with the same prop: fixed
> pitch or CS, and both with
> > the same induction: carb. or FI) consume almost
> exactly the same amount of
> > fuel. The only variance seems to be the amount
> one might be able to lean
> > over
> > the other. If they both fly @ 75% power, the
> 180hp uses more fuel, but is
> > going faster (~10 mph).
> >
> > Kevin D. Belue
> > RV-6A 700hrs.
> > RV-10 finish
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would think that the lower weight would give an
> advantage to the O-320
> > powered ship.
> >
> > Dan Hopper
> > RV-7A 200 HP wishing it were lighter
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 or RV-9 ?RV-7 or RV-9 ? |
On 24 Aug 2006, at 10:49, Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/24/2006 7:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> KBelue@drs-tem.com writes:
> In my experience, an RV-x with 160hp and an RV-x with 180hp flying
> together at the same speed (both with the same prop: fixed pitch or
> CS, and both with the same induction: carb. or FI) consume almost
> exactly the same amount of fuel. The only variance seems to be the
> amount one might be able to lean over the other. If they both fly @
> 75% power, the 180hp uses more fuel, but is going faster (~10 mph).
>
>
> Kevin D. Belue
>
> RV-6A 700hrs.
>
> RV-10 finish
>
>
> I would think that the lower weight would give an advantage to the
> O-320 powered ship.
>
The speed change for a 10 to 20 lb weight reduction is negligible, as
the vast majority of the drag at cruise speeds is profile drag, and
it does not vary with weight. The induced drag, which does vary with
the square of weight, is less than 15% of the total drag at typical
cruise speeds (data from the CAFE Foundation APR on the RV-6A) . The
CAFE foundation data suggests that it would take about a 100 lb
weight reduction to realize a 1 mph speed increase, assuming
everything else was equal.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching floors with nutplates. |
Steve:
I used nut plates on the floors of my 4 and was very glad I did. I
removed the floors at each annual and once when a passenger got sick in
the airplane. You would not believe how much stuff collects on the
skins below the floors; dirt, moisture, etc.
It's nice to be able to clean it out now and then.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: rv-list
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: RV-List: Attaching floors with nutplates.
Is it OK to substitute nutplanes and #6 screws for LP4-3 rivets when
installing the floors? Thanks, Steve. RV4 #4478
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| Subject: | Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
>>
>> Here ya go, Bert:
>>
>> http://thervjournal.com/altrak.htm
>>
>> The AlTrak is a good unit. However, for a system with more features
>> check out the EZ-1 and EZ-2 pitch autopilots from Trio:
>>
>> http://thervjournal.com/EZ-2.htm
>>
>> Whichever system you use, you will be spoiled very quickly! :-)
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
>>
>
>
> SAM; I HAVE A QUESTION, ON YOUR WEB PAGE, I SEE ON YOUR INSTALLATION
> FOR THE ALTRAK,,,THERE ARE TWO UNITS... BUT THEN ON THE
> ADVERTISING, FOR ALTRAK, THEY SHOW ONLY ONE THING...
>
> THEY TALK ALSO ABOUT SERVO...WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU BUY
> ALTRAK, DO ONE GET EVERYTHING, LIKE YOU HAVE SHOWN ON YOUR
> PLANE//
> OR IS SOMETHING ELSE..
>
> CAN ONE BUY JUST ONE UNIT, OR IS PART OF THE WHOLE THING..
>
> SORRY ABOUT MY CONFUSION...
AlTrak ships with servo, control unit, switch, some hardware,
documentation, and bracket.
Trio EZ-2 ships with servo, control unit, rotary encoder, LCD
annunciator, complete hardware kit, documentation, and bracket.
You may also be seeing in the photos the superb Trio EZ-Pilot which is a
GPS-slaved autopilot. It ships with with or without servo (is also
compatible with Navaid servo), control head, bracket, documentation, and
hardware.
Once again, a call to the manufacturers will answer all your questions.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Today's Trio Autopilot Install |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK, 4.5 hours and see how far I got on my new Trio Autopilot install. This
is one sweet deal!!
Trio and Steinair, no better combination!!
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id33.html
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
One good thing I can say about the NavAid is that it will work as a wing
leveler whereas the Trio won't do anything without GPS Input although I may
be wrong about this. Also, the NavAid is better than nothing even though the
Trio is a far superior device.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Sam James fiberglass video |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
Ya I have one somewhere here. Just got home from a trip. I'll look if your
still interested.
Jim Bowen
>From: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Sam James fiberglass video
>Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:37:15 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@coltnet.net>
>
>Listers
>
>Anyone have a Sam James fiberglass dvd there are ready to sell?
>
>Thanks
>
>Dave
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ALTITUDE HOLDER ALTRAC |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
> One good thing I can say about the NavAid is that it will work as a wing
> leveler whereas the Trio won't do anything without GPS Input although I may
> be wrong about this.
The part of the statement about the Navaid is correct, but not the part
about the Trio. The EZ-Pilot works quite well as a wing leveler without
GPS but is superb with GPS data. Since GPS is so reliable, this is
probably a moot point.
Also, the NavAid is better than nothing even though the
> Trio is a far superior device.
I certainly agree with this point. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Unusual ring gear tooth wear |
Engine Gurus,
I have about 255 hours total time on my factory new O-360A1A and have noticed that
the wear pattern on the flywheel ring gear looks as if the starter gear is
engaging only about the top 1/16 inch or less of each ring gear tooth. Also
it looks as if the teeth on the ring gear are wearing slightly rounded, with slightly
more wear on the aft part. The engine was delivered from Van's with a
Sky-Tec starter that otherwise seems to work great and really spins up the engine
on startup.
Can anyone comment on this type of ring gear wear pattern as to whether it is normal
or do I have a problem developing? Also, it possible that my starter could
have the wrong tooth size for the ring gear and have been operating reasonably
well for this many hours?
Appreciate any thoughts on this.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 254 hours
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<DIV>Engine Gurus,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have about 255 hours total time on my factory new O-360A1A and have noticed
that the wear pattern on the flywheel ring gear looks as if the starter gear
is engaging only about the top 1/16 inch or less of each ring gear tooth.
Also it looks as if the teeth on the ring gear are wearing slightly rounded,
with slightly more wear on the aft part. The engine was delivered from
Van's with a Sky-Tec starter that otherwise seems to work great and really
spins up the engine on startup. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can anyone comment on this type of ring gear wear pattern as to whether it
is normal or do I have a problem developing? Also, it possible that my
starter could have the wrong tooth size for the ring gear and have been operating
reasonably well for this many hours?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Appreciate any thoughts on this.</DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Harry Crosby <BR>RV-6 N16CX, 254 hours</DIV>
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