---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/01/06: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:28 AM - Re: yuk yuk (Dana Overall) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Capacitance sender (mchamberlain@runbox.com) 3. 06:16 AM - Tip Up Release (John Furey) 4. 06:51 AM - Re: yuk yuk (Bob Collins) 5. 08:16 AM - Re: yuk yuk (Jerry Springer) 6. 08:46 AM - Re: yuk yuk (Bob Collins) 7. 08:47 AM - CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Ralph E. Capen) 8. 08:51 AM - Re: Tip Up Release (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 9. 09:44 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Richard Dudley) 10. 11:57 AM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (linn Walters) 11. 01:13 PM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Dale Walter) 12. 02:29 PM - Al Trak (bertrv6@highstream.net) 13. 02:29 PM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like (Dale Ensing) 14. 03:24 PM - Re: yuk yuk (Tim Bryan) 15. 03:26 PM - Re: Al Trak (Ed Holyoke) 16. 03:32 PM - Re: Al Trak (Tim Bryan) 17. 03:46 PM - Re: Al Trak (Steve Allison) 18. 04:12 PM - Re: Al Trak (Terry Watson) 19. 04:30 PM - Re: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like () 20. 04:59 PM - Re: yuk yuk (Tedd McHenry) 21. 06:02 PM - Re: yuk yuk (JOHN STARN) 22. 11:32 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 23. 11:37 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:25 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >From: Wheeler North >Interesting rant on vans plans > >you guys ought to try working on certified AC with certified >manuals/plans... > >often 43.13 is the best thing you have.... particularly on the old ones. > >The reason they call them aircraft is because you are supposed to be a >craft's person to build 'em and to fly 'em. > >Vans plan's fasteners diameters are rarely wrong but lengths are always >wrong, buy a ruler or inside bolt hole gauge and get over it. OR, think of how many of these fricking Van's piece of junks are out there flying around and staying together.............man, I sure hope my couple inappropriate edge distance (totally because of this pre punch piece of stick together rather than build) or that 4.5 I should have used rather than the called out 4.0 .....................guess what, I slept well last night:-) Lightly intended, take lightly. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive > > >2117 AD structural rivets should have a dimple in the top, one only. These >come in flush an426 or universal an470 head design mostly these days. > >They tend to be good for about five to ten years then need to be reannealed >as they do age harden slowly. Try crushing a few if they cracks chuck 'em >or >anneal 'em. > >No dimple means 1100 soft aluminum and the list goes on, check AC43.13 1A >or >1B or AC65-15A for the list. > >W > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:23 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Capacitance sender From: "mchamberlain@runbox.com" --> RV-List message posted by: "mchamberlain@runbox.com" Just went through this myself. I managed to get Todd from Princeton on the phone, you just have to keep trying until you catch him. I finally got hold of him and ordered 2 of the S1 model senders. I installed them a couple of days ago. Won't know if they work until fuel is put in the tanks which won't be for a couple of months yet. Here is a link: http://websites.expercraft.com/markc/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=11982 Keep trying, Mark - 234C (res) Last 20% Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58849#58849 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:24 AM PST US From: "John Furey" Subject: RV-List: Tip Up Release Recently there was some discussion about the merits or lack of relating to the release handle on the tip up. As I recall some felt that the release was mainly for maintenance and not putting the handle through the panel. Could anyone point me in the right direction. Thanks John Furey 2 RV6A RV7 in process ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:54 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" I'm beginning to wonder if Van's instructions and drawings -- imperfect though they may be -- AC43.13-XX, and a heapin' helpin' of testosterone are the only things a REAL builder should need to build these things, what are you all doing on an RV List? Take it even MORE lightly? (g) Do not archive. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:25 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > > > > > OR, think of how many of these fricking Van's piece of junks > are out there > flying around and staying together.............man, I sure > hope my couple > inappropriate edge distance (totally because of this pre > punch piece of > stick together rather than build) or that 4.5 I should have > used rather than > the called out 4.0 .....................guess what, I slept well last > night:-) > > Lightly intended, take lightly. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2117 AD structural rivets should have a dimple in the top, one only. > >These come in flush an426 or universal an470 head design > mostly these > >days. > > > >They tend to be good for about five to ten years then need to be > >reannealed as they do age harden slowly. Try crushing a few if they > >cracks chuck 'em or anneal 'em. > > > >No dimple means 1100 soft aluminum and the list goes on, > check AC43.13 > >1A > >or > >1B or AC65-15A for the list. > > > >W > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:34 AM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Only testosterone needed and there was no list when I built my RV-6 :-) :-) Do not archive Bob Collins wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" > >I'm beginning to wonder if Van's instructions and drawings -- imperfect >though they may be -- AC43.13-XX, and a heapin' helpin' of testosterone are >the only things a REAL builder should need to build these things, what are >you all doing on an RV List? > >Take it even MORE lightly? (g) > >Do not archive. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall >>Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:25 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >> >> >> >> >> >>OR, think of how many of these fricking Van's piece of junks >>are out there >>flying around and staying together.............man, I sure >>hope my couple >>inappropriate edge distance (totally because of this pre >>punch piece of >>stick together rather than build) or that 4.5 I should have >>used rather than >>the called out 4.0 .....................guess what, I slept well last >>night:-) >> >>Lightly intended, take lightly. >> >>Dana Overall >>Richmond, KY i39 >>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html >>do not archive >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>2117 AD structural rivets should have a dimple in the top, one only. >>>These come in flush an426 or universal an470 head design >>> >>> >>mostly these >> >> >>>days. >>> >>>They tend to be good for about five to ten years then need to be >>>reannealed as they do age harden slowly. Try crushing a few if they >>>cracks chuck 'em or anneal 'em. >>> >>>No dimple means 1100 soft aluminum and the list goes on, >>> >>> >>check AC43.13 >> >> >>>1A >>>or >>>1B or AC65-15A for the list. >>> >>>W >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:18 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" You know, everytime I show my wife some part I ...ummm... "assembled" (hey the only REAL builders are the ones who mined their own aluminum!), I instinctly make that grunting sound Tim the Toolman made on Home Improvement. Man, I love building. DEFINITELY Do not Archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Jerry Springer > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer > > Only testosterone needed and there was no list when I built > my RV-6 :-) :-) > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:28 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Reposting since my original post failed to make it...... Fellow listers, I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to look like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for. If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what does the inside look like? FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a tool to get all the way in to the back. Anyone have any drawings or photographs? I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:53 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tip Up Release In a message dated 09/01/2006 8:18:08 AM Central Daylight Time, john@fureychrysler.com writes: Recently there was some discussion about the merits or lack of relating to the release handle on the tip up. As I recall some felt that the release was mainly for maintenance and not putting the handle through the panel. Could anyone point me in the right direction. >>> Hi John- no right direction here, just preferences. This topic has been beat to a bloody pulp on the list in the past- check archives for: "tip & up & canopy & release" and you'll need several cups of coffee before you're done. General consensus is that no one has ever jumped out of a tip-up RV, and even if you wanted to, it would be darn near impossible- oh yeah, then there's that parachute thing. 8-) My own take is that it is useful mostly for canopy removal for painting/maintenance, but I did set mine up so it could at least be released in flight by reaching under the panel, pulling a pin, and rotating a handle. Quite a number of other builders have taken this approach, or some version (perversion?) of it. See: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=4969 Inadvertant release would be pretty difficult. Also note that I used .063 angle for the links to the pins from the bellcrank instead of those wimpy little chromoly tubes as I was concerned about how thin the tube wall is and that it "might" cut into the bolts after 50 years or so. The angles on the bottom plastic block with the holes through them were for a rudder trim system that I decided not to use- you can see it in the previous entry if interested... >From The PossumWorks in TN Mark Phillips RV-6A "Mojo" 350 hrs of grin time... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:33 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: Re: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Ralph, In my new Lyc. O-320 D1A from Van's, as received, the plug was an approximately 50mil thick steel disc within an inch or so of the open end of the crankshaft. It was slightly convex toward the open end. When the plug is removed, the shaft end is open for some distance in. I have not looked for or measured just how far in the shaft is hollow. To prepare for my C/S prop, I followed the Orndorf video which suggested using a sharp punch to penetrate the center of the disc and work it out of the crankshaft opening. It came out quite easily. Be prepared for oil to flow out of the crankshaft when the disc is removed. Hope this is helpful Richard Dudley -6A flying n Ralph E. Capen wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > >Reposting since my original post failed to make it...... > >Fellow listers, > >I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to look >like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. > >Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for. >If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what >does the inside look like? > >FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - >looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a tool >to get all the way in to the back. > >Anyone have any drawings or photographs? > >I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... > >Thanks, >Ralph Capen > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:26 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters Richard Dudley wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley > > Ralph, > In my new Lyc. O-320 D1A from Van's, as received, the plug was an > approximately 50mil thick steel disc within an inch or so of the open > end of the crankshaft. It was slightly convex toward the open end. > When the plug is removed, the shaft end is open for some distance in. > I have not looked for or measured just how far in the shaft is hollow. It's hollow all the way through to the first crank throw. > To prepare for my C/S prop, I followed the Orndorf video which > suggested using a sharp punch to penetrate the center of the disc and > work it out of the crankshaft opening. It came out quite easily. Be > prepared for oil to flow out of the crankshaft when the disc is removed. Hmmm. I may be wrong, but when a hollow crank (for a controllable pitch prop) is set up for a fixed pitch prop, the plug (looks like a standard soft plug from your car engine ...... and just may be the same!) is put in and no plug is placed in the other end ..... to prevent high oil pressure in the cavity that may blow out that front seal. To convert back to a CS prop, the front seal is removed and the rear seal is put in place ..... to make a cavity that can be presurized for the CS prop. Linn do not archive > > > Hope this is helpful > > Richard Dudley > -6A flying > n > Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" >> >> Reposting since my original post failed to make it...... >> >> Fellow listers, >> >> I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is >> supposed to look >> like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. >> >> Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to >> look for. If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not >> plugged, what does the inside look like? >> >> FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - >> looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to >> allow a tool to get all the way in to the back. >> >> Anyone have any drawings or photographs? >> >> I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... >> >> Thanks, >> Ralph Capen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:10 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Walter" Hi Ralph, The bar you see is a spray bar. About 7 or 8 inches back. Farther in, about an inch is a plug. For a CS prop the plug should be closed, no hole, to maintain oil pressure to control the prop. If your engine had a fixed prop before they were supposed to pierce the plug to avoid oil leaks against an unsealed prop. I changed from fixed to CS and removed the rear plug (which had been pierced)and replaced with a new one. Lycoming cautions to treat the spray bar like glass, if it is damaged the crank must be sent to the factory to replace. I can send you some pics. Your crank also has a place for an outer seal to be used with a fixed prop. It is placed less than an inch from the prop end of the crank and keeps the oil in. Dale Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:46 AM lycomingengines-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Reposting since my original post failed to make it...... Fellow listers, I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to look like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for. If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what does the inside look like? FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a tool to get all the way in to the back. Anyone have any drawings or photographs? I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:34 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hello: Any one has the address and telephone no. of the mfg. co. of the Al Trak altitude holder unit. I tried, by using Al Trak on the web. but nothing...what is the E-mail address? Thanks Bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:57 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: "Dale Ensing" Ralph, As Dale Walter stated, the new plug must go behind the spray bar for the C/S prop setup. You can make a long handle hook from stiff SS wire that will pull out the old pierced plug that is probably still in there. To get the new plug into place, carefully slide the new plug into the crank cavity and up behind the spray bar. This can be done with the plug lying flat and the crank positioned so the spray bar is horizontal. To set the plug into the recessed area in the crank, I made a tool from a cheap socket that would just fit/slide inside the crank cavity. I ground relief slots in the socket sides180 degrees apart that would fit over the spray bar and yet allow the "tool" to press the new plug in place. Using a long extension on the socket I tapped the new plug into place. I am sure someone makes an expensive tool to do this but my homebuilders tool worked very well. Can send you a pict of the tool if you need. Also, somewhere in my notes, I have the dimension from the flange to the plug to help assure that the plug is all the way into the recess. Dale Ensing > Hi Ralph, > The bar you see is a spray bar. About 7 or 8 inches back. Farther in, about > an inch is a plug. For a CS prop the plug should be closed, no hole, to > maintain oil pressure to control the prop. If your engine had a fixed prop > before they were supposed to pierce the plug to avoid oil leaks against an > unsealed prop. I changed from fixed to CS and removed the rear plug (which > had been pierced)and replaced with a new one. Lycoming cautions to treat the > spray bar like glass, if it is damaged the crank must be sent to the factory > to replace. I can send you some pics. Your crank also has a place for an > outer seal to be used with a fixed prop. It is placed less than an inch from > the prop end of the crank and keeps the oil in. > Dale > > > I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed to > look > like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. > > Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look for. > If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what > does the inside look like? > > FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - > looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a > tool > to get all the way in to the back. > > Anyone have any drawings or photographs? > > I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... > > Thanks, > Ralph Capen > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:02 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk Testosterone is a distraction! Still do not archive -------Original Message------- From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer Only testosterone needed and there was no list when I built my RV-6 :-) : -) Do not archive Bob Collins wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" > >I'm beginning to wonder if Van's instructions and drawings -- imperfect >though they may be -- AC43.13-XX, and a heapin' helpin' of testosterone are >the only things a REAL builder should need to build these things, what a re >you all doing on an RV List? > >Take it even MORE lightly? (g) > >Do not archive. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall >>Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:25 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: yuk yuk >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" >> >> >> >> >> >>OR, think of how many of these fricking Van's piece of junks >>are out there >>flying around and staying together.............man, I sure >>hope my couple >>inappropriate edge distance (totally because of this pre >>punch piece of >>stick together rather than build) or that 4.5 I should have >>used rather than >>the called out 4.0 .....................guess what, I slept well last >>night:-) >> >>Lightly intended, take lightly. >> >>Dana Overall >>Richmond, KY i39 >>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" >>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html >>do not archive >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>2117 AD structural rivets should have a dimple in the top, one only. >>>These come in flush an426 or universal an470 head design >>> >>> >>mostly these >> >> >>>days. >>> >>>They tend to be good for about five to ten years then need to be >>>reannealed as they do age harden slowly. Try crushing a few if they >>>cracks chuck 'em or anneal 'em. >>> >>>No dimple means 1100 soft aluminum and the list goes on, >>> >>> >>check AC43.13 >> >> >>>1A >>>or >>>1B or AC65-15A for the list. >>> >>>W >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ========== ========== ========== ========== ========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:37 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertrv6@highstream.net Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hello: Any one has the address and telephone no. of the mfg. co. of the Al Trak altitude holder unit. I tried, by using Al Trak on the web. but nothing...what is the E-mail address? Thanks Bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:22 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: Re: RV-List: Al Trak You should be able to get everything you need from here http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/index.html Tim -------Original Message------- From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hello: Any one has the address and telephone no. of the mfg. co. of the Al Trak altitude holder unit. I tried, by using Al Trak on the web. but nothing...what is the E-mail address? Thanks Bert rv6a do not archive ========== ========== ========== ========== ========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:01 PM PST US From: Steve Allison Subject: Re: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: Steve Allison Search on Altrak (one word). Website: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com From their website: TruTrak Flight Systems, Inc. 1500S. Old Missouri Rd Springdale, AR 72764 Phone (479)751-0250 FAX (479)751-3397 bertrv6@highstream.net wrote: > Any one has the address and telephone no. of the mfg. co. of the > Al Trak altitude holder unit. do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:44 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Al Trak --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Try: Trutrak Flight Systems, Inc. 1500 South Old Missouri Road Springdale, Arkansas 72764 479-751-0250 Trutrakflightsystems.com Terry --> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net Hello: Any one has the address and telephone no. of the mfg. co. of the Al Trak altitude holder unit. I tried, by using Al Trak on the web. but nothing...what is the E-mail address? Thanks Bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:05 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: CS Crankshaft end - what's it look like --> RV-List message posted by: Forget the 'stiff wire' to remove the old plug from behind the sludge tube....the wire will just keep bending back and pulling out of the hole. Best way to remove the plug is to borrow a dent puller from your local body shop...or make your own. You simply pierce a hole in the plug (if there isn't one or if the existing hole is inadequate), screw in the threaded end (screw) of the dent puller, and give it a little whack. The plug will come out in a New York minute. Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - Ohio Valley RVators http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/ for the archives > Ralph, > As Dale Walter stated, the new plug must go behind the spray bar for the C/S > prop setup. You can make a long handle hook from stiff SS wire that will > pull out the old pierced plug that is probably still in there. > To get the new plug into place, carefully slide the new plug into the crank > cavity and up behind the spray bar. This can be done with the plug lying > flat and the crank positioned so the spray bar is horizontal. To set the > plug into the recessed area in the crank, I made a tool from a cheap socket > that would just fit/slide inside the crank cavity. I ground relief slots in > the socket sides180 degrees apart that would fit over the spray bar and yet > allow the "tool" to press the new plug in place. Using a long extension on > the socket I tapped the new plug into place. > I am sure someone makes an expensive tool to do this but my homebuilders > tool worked very well. > Can send you a pict of the tool if you need. Also, somewhere in my notes, I > have the dimension from the flange to the plug to help assure that the plug > is all the way into the recess. > Dale Ensing > > > Hi Ralph, > > The bar you see is a spray bar. About 7 or 8 inches back. Farther in, > about > > an inch is a plug. For a CS prop the plug should be closed, no hole, to > > maintain oil pressure to control the prop. If your engine had a fixed prop > > before they were supposed to pierce the plug to avoid oil leaks against an > > unsealed prop. I changed from fixed to CS and removed the rear plug (which > > had been pierced)and replaced with a new one. Lycoming cautions to treat > the > > spray bar like glass, if it is damaged the crank must be sent to the > factory > > to replace. I can send you some pics. Your crank also has a place for an > > outer seal to be used with a fixed prop. It is placed less than an inch > from > > the prop end of the crank and keeps the oil in. > > Dale > > > > > I'm trying to determine what the prop end of the crankshaft is supposed > to > > look > > like when it is set up for a constant speed prop. > > > > Folks have written about plugs - but that doesn't tell me what to look > for. > > If it's plugged, should I only see the plug? If it's not plugged, what > > does the inside look like? > > > > FWIW, I'm not seeing 'just a plug' - I'm seeing stuff in there - > > looks like a bar going across with a notch cut in to it...maybe to allow a > > tool > > to get all the way in to the back. > > > > Anyone have any drawings or photographs? > > > > I know this is one that I don't want to have the wrong way... > > > > Thanks, > > Ralph Capen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:28 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > Only testosterone needed and there was no list when I built my RV-6 :-) :-) You had testosterone? Luxury! In my day we had to kill bull wi' bare hands, boil down oysters for testosterone, inject testosterone wi' dirty needle, AND we mined our own bauxite. You tell the young builders that today and they won't believe you. (Spit.) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:45 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" DO NOT ARCHIVE Tom is a hitchen up the twenty mule team sews we kin go git 'nuf stuff to make a pease of angle. KABONG 8*) "RV-4 Derivative" (HRII) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: yuk yuk > --> RV-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry > >> Only testosterone needed and there was no list when I built my RV-6 :-) >> :-) > > You had testosterone? Luxury! In my day we had to kill bull wi' bare > hands, > boil down oysters for testosterone, inject testosterone wi' dirty needle, > AND > we mined our own bauxite. You tell the young builders that today and they > won't believe you. (Spit.) > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:26 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the RV-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete RV-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains RV-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV-List policies will minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV-List running smoothly for all of us. ****************************************** *** Quick Start Guide to List Features *** ****************************************** There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List **************************************** *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe *** **************************************** Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information. The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed. You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request. The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post until you receive the second conformation email message. ***************************** *** How to Post a Message *** ***************************** Send an email message to: rv-list@matronics.com Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed to the List. ***************************************************** *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post *** ***************************************************** When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor. If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that gets posted to the Lists. Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List: smith@machine.domain.com smith@domain.com Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to the List. ************************************** *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** ************************************** Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the content of enclosures. These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists: 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists. 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists. 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site. 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives. 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature. 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed: bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk. 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down the process of posting the message !! Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "rv-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the RV-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the RV-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * RV-List.FAQ - Latest version of the RV-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * RV-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * RV-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * RV-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * RV-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the RV-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:06 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Official RV-List Usage Guidelines --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive