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1. 06:19 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/09/06 (glen matejcek)
2. 10:21 AM - RV-7 F-770 forward side skin 'pucker factor' question (Charlie England)
3. 11:03 AM - Gretz Aero Pitot Wiring (Ralph Hoover)
4. 01:10 PM - RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Thilo Kind)
5. 01:58 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Richard Seiders)
6. 02:10 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Bob Collins)
7. 02:44 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Sam Buchanan)
8. 02:53 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Doug Gray)
9. 03:07 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Kevin Horton)
10. 04:33 PM - Re: Curious (Chuck)
11. 04:40 PM - Re: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison (macrafic)
12. 06:17 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Dan Checkoway)
13. 07:53 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Frank Stringham)
14. 09:44 PM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Bob Collins)
15. 10:04 PM - Re: Gretz Aero Pitot Wiring (Scott Lewis)
16. 10:12 PM - For Sale: Vetterman exhaust (Al & Gail Herron)
17. 10:21 PM - Fuel Pumps (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/09/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Time: 06:34:26 AM PST US
Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Spruce -- Great Service ... LOL
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Chuck-
>"...it's obvious he's no
>dummy....that title is reserved for those of us that decide to build a
>plane and allot half the time and half the money that it's really going
>to take.
WOW! If you only blew it by half, you're a lot smarter than me! ; - )
And again, Do Not Archive
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | RV-7 F-770 forward side skin 'pucker factor' question |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Greetings -7 fuselage builders,
I've got a glitch with my F-770 forward side skins. With the mid section
belly skin clecoed to the tailcone @ F706, when I add the F770 side
skins & cleco them to the F704, 705 & 706 bulkheads I get a 'pucker' in
the bottom edge of the skin between the rear spar carry-through & the
change in angle of the bottom skin where the F-770 curved portion
starts. This is where the 770 would (I assume) get riveted to the flange
of the F-623 rib that lies flat in the belly skin on each side.
Both sides do this. I've removed one skin & rolled the bottom corner to
fit the tailcone, & it still has the 'pucker'. With the 770 clecoed to
F705 bulkhead there is about a 1/4" gap at midpoint between the rear
spar & the point at which the curved transistion begins.
Again, one side has been curved to transition around to the belly & the
other is still unbent; both exhibit the same bulge.
Related question: I see in my instructions one note that says 'don't
install the F-623 ribs now' but I can't find any instruction to actually
install them. Anyone seen that instruction? All I've seen is an
instruction to install the forward doubler attach tab for the F-623's.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Gretz Aero Pitot Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ralph Hoover <hooverra@verizon.net>
I have a GA-1000 heated Pitot on back-order so I don't have the install
info yet. Does anyone have the details of the wiring required and the
panel indicator. I tried Stein Air and Warren Gretz, so far no answers.
RV7A Wiring
Ralph Hoover
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| Subject: | RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi everybody,
this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an RV 8A and will
place the order as soon as I have my workshop organized. This won't be my
first adventure into airplane building - I have already built a Zodiac CH
601 HDS.
Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving) speak
for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
Thanks
Thilo Kind
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
Against: $8000.
For: mega hours labor/headaches saved, alignment problems for fuse,
wings, and wing'fuse fit are a non issue. No fixtures required. Prepunched
panels/skins a big help, but QB still worth it in my opinion.
Dick (Quickbuild RV6A completed and flying, and helping on a Quickbuild 7A).
do not archive
At 04:03 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an RV 8A and
>will place the order as soon as I have my workshop organized. This won't
>be my first adventure into airplane building - I have already built a
>Zodiac CH 601 HDS.
>
>Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving)
>speak for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
>
>Thanks
>
>Thilo Kind
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I must be building my RV wrong. I'm building slo-build and I'm having a
BLAST! (g)
If I'd gone QB, I wouldn't have known what I was missing (wcept flying
really soon, of course)
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (why sure, it's free)
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard Seiders
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
>
> Against: $8000.
> For: mega hours labor/headaches saved, alignment problems for fuse,
> wings, and wing'fuse fit are a non issue. No fixtures
> required. Prepunched
> panels/skins a big help, but QB still worth it in my opinion.
>
> Dick (Quickbuild RV6A completed and flying, and helping on a
> Quickbuild 7A). do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 04:03 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
> >--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
> >
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an
> RV 8A and
> >will place the order as soon as I have my workshop
> organized. This won't
> >be my first adventure into airplane building - I have
> already built a
> >Zodiac CH 601 HDS.
> >
> >Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving)
> >speak for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Thilo Kind
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Bob Collins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> I must be building my RV wrong. I'm building slo-build and I'm having a
> BLAST! (g)
>
> If I'd gone QB, I wouldn't have known what I was missing (wcept flying
> really soon, of course)
Bob, I don't know that you would be flying *that* much sooner. :-)
What is often overlooked in QB vs standard discussions is that the QB
only saves time during construction of the airframe. Once the airframe
is looking sorta like an airplane, the project is only about half
finished and at that point the QB and standard builder are faced with
identical completion tasks.
Keep in mind that a 50% savings of QB time over standard airframe build
ends up only representing a 25% difference in total project build time.
And the new, highly evolved kits are blurring these distinctions even more.
There are valid reasons for going with a QB, but it seems the advantages
in build time are often misunderstood and overstated.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
How about the increased probability of completion!
No so much a problem for a second time builder I should imagine.
Doug Gray
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 22:03 +0200, Thilo Kind wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an RV 8A and will
> place the order as soon as I have my workshop organized. This won't be my
> first adventure into airplane building - I have already built a Zodiac CH
> 601 HDS.
>
> Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving) speak
> for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thilo Kind
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 10 Sep 2006, at 16:03, Thilo Kind wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time
> saving) speak for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard
> kit?
Some builders like to make deviations from the plans to add custom
features. Many of these types of mods are more difficult on a QB
kit, as they would require significant disassembly and rework.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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Thanks Bob, for the contct info. I did email them before and they sent me their
rebuilt boost-pump price list. I will email they again and ask specifically
for a re-build kit.
By the way, I pulled her apart. The main shaft pin sheared-off. It is so
small, I'm gonna have some trouble getting the old piece out and a new one to
re-place it. I will also replace the vanes and seals while I've got her off/out
and apart. I hope they do sell a rebuild kit; life would be so much easier
if they do.
Chuck
"Bob J." <rocketbob@gmail.com> wrote:
If I had to guess it sounds like a check valve seal. They'll sell you the individual
seals, according to my buddy.
http://www.dukesinc.com/contact.html
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
On 9/9/06, Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com> wrote: Bob,
Thanks for telling me that. Can you get the contact info for the rebuild kit.
So far my research has yielded negative results. I was afraid Duke's parts
were somehow proprietary and classified next to unobtainium on the Elements
chart.
I will crack her seals tomorrow morning and report back. Like what's his name
said "... why not open her up, you've got nothing to lose." You know, ocassionally
I do enjoy this list for actual RV related stuff (not just to laugh
my a$$ off at ALL the pissin' & moanin' & flame wars :-)
Chuck
"Bob J." < rocketbob@gmail.com> wrote:
A friend of mine rebuilt his Dukes pump, and I got to look at the innards when
he had it apart. They're pretty simple inside, its just a vane pump with
a check valve/bypass. The vanes were made of teflon IIRC. I think he paid $160
for the rebuild kit.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 9/8/06, Chuck < chuck515tigger@yahoo.com > wrote: Just curious....
I'm running an IO-320 (Ly-con) with Bendix injections, mechanical fuel pump and
an electric "Dukes Inc." boost-pump. The Duke takes a dump (spins but won't
pressure up). I find out the replacement Duke is $600 plus core, shipping
and tax ($900 area). I went with the Duke because I got it in trade; I use
to use Performance Air (?) but their price sucks too and I hated the added weight
& complexity of their recommended fuel filter.
Seeking thoughts & recommendations:
1. Cough-up the bucks and get the replacement Duke.
2. Crack-open the Duke's seals ans see if I can repair (might be just a spun
nut/cotter-key/or sumpin' like the nylatron pump vane).
3. Skip the boost pump 'cuz I never use it anyway...
4. Forget this ever increasin' overly-expensive flyin' sh!t and spend the $$$
on girls & surfin'
5. Your suggestions...........
Thanks.
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Bose versus Lightspeed headset comparison |
--> RV-List message posted by: "macrafic" <macrafic@charter.net>
I had a chance to hear both the LS 30G and the Bose at Oshkosh this year, in a
sound booth where you could pipe in engine noise and vary the volume. I was impressed
with the LS, especially considering the price. For the sound, immediate
comfort and price, I would purchase the LS hands down. However, I can't comment
on the long term wear of both. Seems to me this would be a very critical
criteria.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60849#60849
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> How about the increased probability of completion!
FWIW, of the "stalled out" kits that I'm aware of, the majority are QB.
Yes, I know that's one guy's generalization, so take it with a grain of
salt...but I'm calling it like I see it.
At least the slow build guys are moving along steadily...if not "quickly."
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
http://www.weathermeister.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
one man or gals poison is anothers piece of cake. I choose the slow build
because 8K on my retirement $$$$$ would really help with the panel. I have
enjoyed every minute of it....well maybe not every minute but it has been
fun, a great learning adventure, and even the tanks were ok!
It is kind of like nose rollers vs tail dragger...... REAL MEN
___________you choose______!
I have had the opportunity to work on a quick build 7 and the work on the
fuse and wing are first rate.
Frank @ SGU and SLC
>From: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:56:59 -0400
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Seiders <seiders@bellsouth.net>
>
>Against: $8000.
> For: mega hours labor/headaches saved, alignment problems for fuse,
>wings, and wing'fuse fit are a non issue. No fixtures required. Prepunched
>panels/skins a big help, but QB still worth it in my opinion.
>
>Dick (Quickbuild RV6A completed and flying, and helping on a Quickbuild
>7A).
>do not archive
>
>
>At 04:03 PM 9/10/2006, you wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>>
>>Hi everybody,
>>
>>this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an RV 8A and
>>will place the order as soon as I have my workshop organized. This won't
>>be my first adventure into airplane building - I have already built a
>>Zodiac CH 601 HDS.
>>
>>Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving)
>>speak for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Thilo Kind
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
The other thing I like about the slo-build. Every night when I close the
garage door and just before turning out the light, I look back at this thing
and I say, "*I* built that; every rivet. (OK, except the main wing spar). I
can't tell you how cool that feels.
(http://stirringsfromtheemptynest.blogspot.com/2006/07/right-here-provenzani
.html). It's my $8,000 feeling.
On the other hand, I know a guy who started his 7A just a little before I
did and I think he went QB all the way. Five years later, he's about as far
ahead of me -- not too much -- as we were five years ago. He had to do a QB,
not because he wanted to get in the air fast -- although maybe he did -- but
his lifestyle didn't allow for a slow build.
Bottom line? Like so many things in RV building, there's no *right* answer.
Bob
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Aero Pitot Wiring |
--> RV-List message posted by: Scott Lewis <rv10@tpg.com.au>
Ralph,
Will reply to you off list.
Regards,
Scott Lewis
Ralph Hoover wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ralph Hoover <hooverra@verizon.net>
>
> I have a GA-1000 heated Pitot on back-order so I don't have the install
> info yet. Does anyone have the details of the wiring required and the
> panel indicator. I tried Stein Air and Warren Gretz, so far no answers.
> RV7A Wiring
> Ralph Hoover
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | For Sale: Vetterman exhaust |
Due to a last-minute engine component change, I have available a brand-new Vetterman
exhaust system that will fit an IO-360 with a Superior forward-facing composite
sump. Complete as shipped, includes cabin heat muff. Fits an RV-7A;
I'm reasonably certain it would also fit a -7. I paid $855, will sell for $750
and I'll pay the shipping. Please e-mail me direct to minimize List traffic.
do not archive
Al Herron
RV-7A
"Glue on" canopy complete, about to mis-wire the panel. ; )
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--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
These pumps are not rocket science but they are obviously "aircraft" parts
because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to be. I ended up with an
AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished engine. I can't help but
speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the auto racing world that
can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely cost between 50-100
dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA stamped part (who knows
maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to knock the AFP system, it's
likely the best mechanical system to be had today and Don Rivera's service
is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for simple and proven pumping
technology is idiotic (like many old low tech aircraft parts). Anyone
researched using an automotive racing pump (ie. Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for
this purpose.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts.
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious
>From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
>
>The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00 bucks. Lighweight,
>simple in design and works. Everybody I know has problems with Duke
>pumps and end up chucking them in the trash.
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