RV-List Digest Archive
Mon 09/11/06 |
Total Messages Posted: 13 |
Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Man I hate to do this... (Marhyde update) (AltonD)
2. 12:57 AM - Re: looking for Reno Tix (gbrasch)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Dana Overall)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Rick Galati)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Herron, Al)
6. 12:43 PM - For Sale: Wing Walk Material (Ted Lumpkin)
7. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Thilo Kind)
8. 02:25 PM - Clarity Aloft Headset Review (long) (Ted Lumpkin)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard (Terry Watson)
10. 03:19 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Skylor Piper)
11. 06:01 PM - (bertrv6@highstream.net)
12. 07:30 PM - Re: (Chuck)
13. 09:29 PM - Re: (William Gill)
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Time: 12:38:10 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Man I hate to do this... (Marhyde update)
From: "AltonD" <adeweese3@comcast.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "AltonD" <adeweese3@comcast.net>
The Duplicolor primer is made by Sherwin-Williams. There are some differences
in the MSDS fromt he other Sherwin-Williams primer.
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AltonD
Waiting on the slow build fuselage to deliver
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Time: 12:57:00 AM PST US
Subject: Re: looking for Reno Tix
From: "gbrasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
--> RV-List message posted by: "gbrasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
Check Doug Reeves site, Mel Jordan in Tucson is selling some there.
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Finishing #90623
Tucson, Arizona
Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
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Time: 04:31:33 AM PST US
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Just a quick note, I had my slow build pre punched 7 fuse at quick build
state in 3.5 weeks. Seemed like a lot of money to save 3.5 weeks:-) Now
the wings.......different story.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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>From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:03:23 +0200
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>this is my first post on this list. I'm planning to build an RV 8A and will
>place the order as soon as I have my workshop organized. This won't be my
>first adventure into airplane building - I have already built a Zodiac CH
>601 HDS.
>
>Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving) speak
>for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit?
>
>Thanks
>
>Thilo Kind
>
>
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Time: 07:43:01 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Hi Thilo,
By taking the cost and (so called) time savings equation out of the mix, your question
pushes the standard/quickbuild decision into the subjective realm of personal
preference. The few exceptions to that are if you ultimately seek to
build a Grand Champion contender requiring an extra measure of craftsmanship that
is not built into the quickbuild kits. Even Van concedes that quickbuild
sheet metal work is perfectly acceptable structurally but can fall short of perfection
when judged cosmetically. In addition, if you are the type of builder
driven to insist all internal parts be individually epoxy primed prior to fastening
together, you may not be happy with the sticky, translucent wash primer
the quickbuilds are equipped with.
I believe todays matched hole technology does a great deal to negate the (so-called)
quickbuild time savings advantage over the standard kit. So simple are
the newer kits in advanced construction techniques that I spent more time waiting
for primer to dry on the individual RV-8 empennage parts than I did scratching
my head trying to figure out what to do next as was my experience on the
6A. Believe me, the process is so advanced now it is way, way easier to build
a modern RV than was prior to the days of matched hole technology. I have developed
a new found level of respect for those driven guys with the tenacity to
successfully build an RV3 or -4. Anybody who is skilled enough to build a -4
can easily build an -8. Yet there are (relatively) few -8 builders with the skill
set and patience to successfully build an RV4!
Finally Thilo, I take enormous satisfaction knowing that excepting the wing spar
holes, virtually every hole drilled and every rivet pounded into my 6A was
produced by my own hands. I'm constantly struck and happily reminded of that
while gazing upon those long, straight rivet patterns holding the wings together
while cruising along at 9500'. That means a whole lot more to me than if the
wings were mostly assembled by an anonymous overseas production worker. Granted,
that sense of satisfaction is a deeply subjective one, but it is always
there and I wouldn't have it any other way. I enjoy building as much as I enjoy
flying. You have to really know what type of builder/flyer you are and let
that inner knowledge speak to your ultimately personal decision as to what kit
configuration to eventually settle upon.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 168 hours
RV-8A empennage complete
EAA Technical Counselor
thilo.kind(at)gmx.net wrote:
>
> Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving) speak for
or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit? Thanks
> Thilo Kind
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60945#60945
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Time: 10:12:58 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
From: "Herron, Al" <Al.Herron@Aerojet.com>
I've had no regrets about choosing the quickbuild on my -7A, especially
since I'm a first-time builder. I'm guessing it saved me up to two
years of build time, not to mention that a large part of the airframe is
built to a level of quality that I can't always match. I think it was,
for me anyway, well worth the expenditure.
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Time: 12:43:24 PM PST US
From: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: For Sale: Wing Walk Material
I have a sheet of clear wing walk material from Aircraft Spruce. It has never
been used or even unrolled from the box. The size is 16" X 30" which is big enough
for all RV's except the -10 perhaps. It is part number 09-31810 in the
ACS catalog. The catalog cost is $32.85. I'll sell it for 20 bucks plus whatever
it costs to ship it to your door. I'm selling it because I decided to go
with a black wing walk. If you like the clear, e-mail me off list.
do not archive
Ted Lumpkin
tlump51@sbcglobal.net
RV-4
N515TL "The Dirty Bird"
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Time: 01:43:52 PM PST US
From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Rick et Al,
thanks a lot for the multiple answers regarding the quick build versus
standard. I think, I will go with a compromise and go QB wing, but the rest
slow build. As mentioned before, I have built already one airplane and the
building buck really good me. One thing I learned is, that you never ever
done with the airplane. Mine is now 5 years since completion and I'm still
working on it - not quite efeectively, mind you, than in my garage, simply
because everybody and his brother at the airport will visit the hangar and
talk to you...
Okay, now I need to prepare the workshop and place the order...
Later
THILO Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Rick Galati" <rick6a@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Thilo,
>
> By taking the cost and (so called) time savings equation out of the mix,
> your question pushes the standard/quickbuild decision into the subjective
> realm of personal preference. The few exceptions to that are if you
> ultimately seek to build a Grand Champion contender requiring an extra
> measure of craftsmanship that is not built into the quickbuild kits. Even
> Van concedes that quickbuild sheet metal work is perfectly acceptable
> structurally but can fall short of perfection when judged cosmetically.
> In addition, if you are the type of builder driven to insist all internal
> parts be individually epoxy primed prior to fastening together, you may
> not be happy with the sticky, translucent wash primer the quickbuilds are
> equipped with.
>
> I believe todays matched hole technology does a great deal to negate the
> (so-called) quickbuild time savings advantage over the standard kit. So
> simple are the newer kits in advanced construction techniques that I spent
> more time waiting for primer to dry on the individual RV-8 empennage parts
> than I did scratching my head trying to figure out what to do next as was
> my experience on the 6A. Believe me, the process is so advanced now it is
> way, way easier to build a modern RV than was prior to the days of matched
> hole technology. I have developed a new found level of respect for those
> driven guys with the tenacity to successfully build an RV3 or -4. Anybody
> who is skilled enough to build a -4 can easily build an -8. Yet there are
> (relatively) few -8 builders with the skill set and patience to
> successfully build an RV4!
>
> Finally Thilo, I take enormous satisfaction knowing that excepting the
> wing spar holes, virtually every hole drilled and every rivet pounded into
> my 6A was produced by my own hands. I'm constantly struck and happily
> reminded of that while gazing upon those long, straight rivet patterns
> holding the wings together while cruising along at 9500'. That means a
> whole lot more to me than if the wings were mostly assembled by an
> anonymous overseas production worker. Granted, that sense of satisfaction
> is a deeply subjective one, but it is always there and I wouldn't have it
> any other way. I enjoy building as much as I enjoy flying. You have to
> really know what type of builder/flyer you are and let that inner
> knowledge speak to your ultimately personal decision as to what kit
> configuration to eventually settle upon.
>
> Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 168 hours
> RV-8A empennage complete
> EAA Technical Counselor
>
>
> thilo.kind(at)gmx.net wrote:
>>
>> Have a question: what other arguements (besides cost and time saving)
>> speak for or against the quickbuild kit versus the standard kit? Thanks
>> Thilo Kind
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=60945#60945
>
>
>
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Time: 02:25:02 PM PST US
From: Ted Lumpkin <tlump51@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Clarity Aloft Headset Review (long)
I recently purchased a Clarity Aloft headset and thought I'd let the list know
of how it's worked for me. First off, I'm not affiliated any way with Clarity
Aloft.
I'm a 300 hour pilot. Most of that time has been acro although I will do an extended
cross country here and there. I haven't used a tremendous amount of other
headsets, but I am very familiar with your typical flight school passive David
Clarks, bargain basement Sigtronics, Bose ANR and I used a Lightspeed QFR
Cross Country before I went to the Clarity Aloft (CA). Based on this experience,
I would say that the CA headsets are the best I have used.
Here was my purchase criteria (not necessarily in priority):
Noise reductionComfort and weight
Communication audio quality and volumeGood microphone performanceGood looksGood
company supportRuggedMusic audio quality and volumeAbility to wear a wide-brimmed
hatBased on this criteria the CA compares well. Here are the pros:
For noise reduction it is at least as good as the Bose. I have a RV-4 with an
IO360 and a c/s prop and essentially no sound-proofing and it really quiets things
down on takeoff and in cruise.
They are VERY comfortable. I was concerned with the ear plug style headsets due
to pressure variation with altitude changes, but this hasn't been a problem
at least from sea level to 10K. I know it's a cliche, but after the first test
flight I forget I have them on.
The communication quality and volume is also great. I had to turn down my radio
from its normal settings.
The microphone works very well. I had a problem with my QFR's during takeoff and
other high ambient noise conditions where people couldn't understand me because
the mike transmitted so much background noise. This has not been a problem
with the CA.
As far as looks are concerned, that's subjective, but the wires sticking out of
your ears does look funny to some people. Of course the giant ear cups on the
Lightspeed 20 & 30G's look a little funny as well.
As far as company support and ruggedness, the jury is still out because I haven't
had them long enough.
Now, for me, here's the best part. I like to listen to music when I fly acro. I have my IPOD plugged into my intercom with a wireless control. Before I had to use a "Boostaroo" (http://www.boostaroo.com) amplifier or I couldn't really hear the music even with the IPOD turned all the way up. With the Boostaroo I was able to hear the music, but now, with the CA I can BLAST the music and the sound quality is great. I have everything from Wagner to the White Stripes to Dizzy Gillespie to Beyonce on my aerobatic play list and it handles them all well. It's really amazing to get that kind of sound quality in a homebuilt airplane.
I flew sailplanes for years and always wore a wide-brimmed hat to keep the sun
off my head. Now I have no restrictions to head wear. I've tried a sailing hat,
a fedora and a straw hat and they all work fine. A sombrero would work if
it would fit in under my canopy.
I was concerned that the earpieces on my sunglasses would interfere with the CA
ear supports. I've tried several pairs of sunglasses. Turned out not to be
an issue.
No batteries are required since these headsets are totally passive.
Lastly, I was concerned the headset wouldn't stay put during acro. It's actually
better than conventional headsets because they are so much lighter.
Now for the cons:
You do have to put the canal tips (earplugs) in your ears. I wear foam earplugs
for other recreational activities all the time so I am familiar with this,
but it still takes more time than just popping on your typical headset. Also,
if I use the recommended two-handed, overhead procedure, I can't put the canal
tips in with my canopy closed. I've found I can easily put the canal tips in
by pulling down on my earlobe rather than upwards. With this method the canopy
can be closed.
The microphone boom can only be positioned on the left. This hasn't been a problem
for me, but may be for some.
They look fragile. They aren't in reality, but I don't feel comfortable tossing
them around like I would with conventional headsets. Since you put the canal
tips in your ears you have to make sure you don't drop them on your filthy cockpit
floor, for instance.
You have to replace the canal tips. They come with a set of 6 that the company
says should last six months, but you do have to replace them. I think they will
last much longer than that for a recreational flyer, but a replacement set
of 12 will cost $24.95.
You may need different size canal tips based on your ear canal size. The company
has different sizes, but you may have to do some back and forth and trial and
error to get the right ones. Mine fit right out of the box.
If you share the headset with someone, you have to replace the canal tips before
you give them to them and after you get them back for hygiene reasons.
No cell phone interface. They are adding this feature and you can get a free upgrade
if you are an owner, but you have to ship the headsets back to them.
This is more of a nit, but since I fly a lot of acro, I do a lot of rubber-necking
looking for traffic and sight lines. When I turn my head 90 degrees I can
feel the CA support band on the back of my neck. This bothered me on the first
flight. Now I don't think about it.
The cost $525. A bit pricey in my opinion.
In summary, the pros far outweigh the cons for me. I find myself asking what took
me so long to purchase them. Of course, your mileage may vary.
Ted Lumpkin
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Time: 02:44:09 PM PST US
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: Re: RV8 A - Quickbuild vs. Standard
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
<snip>
... the building buck really good me....<snip>
Maybe the quickbuild would be a good idea, Thilo.
Terry
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Time: 03:19:09 PM PST US
From: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pumps
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
Here's an MSD pump from Summit Racing that appears to
be very similiar to the actual AFP pump:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D2225&N=700+4294925239+4294839053+4294836965+4294891680+115&autoview=sku
(the link may be broken...)
$93. Keep in mind, however, that the AFP pump
includes a pressure reliev valve, the bypass check
valve & associated manifolding & plumbing, as well as
a filter. When bought from Van's, it also includes a
mounting kit .
The $93 pump from summit racing is just for the pump
only.
Skylor
RV-8 Under Construction
FWF, Avionics
--- DEAN PSIROPOULOS <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
> <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> These pumps are not rocket science but they are
> obviously "aircraft" parts
> because the price is about 10 TIMES what it ought to
> be. I ended up with an
> AFP fuel pump when Mattituck sent me my finished
> engine. I can't help but
> speculate that there HAS to be a similar pump in the
> auto racing world that
> can be used for this purpose. That pump will likely
> cost between 50-100
> dollars and be of equal or better quality than a PMA
> stamped part (who knows
> maybe even AFP adapts one of these pumps). Not to
> knock the AFP system, it's
> likely the best mechanical system to be had today
> and Don Rivera's service
> is top notch. But... these ridiculous prices for
> simple and proven pumping
> technology is idiotic (like many old low tech
> aircraft parts). Anyone
> researched using an automotive racing pump (ie.
> Holley, Edelbrock, etc) for
> this purpose.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Always blown away by the cost of "aircraft" parts.
>
>
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: Curious
> >From: "BPA" <BPA@bpaengines.com>
> >
> >The Airflow Performance boost pump is around 500.00
> bucks. Lighweight,
> >simple in design and works. Everybody I know has
> problems with Duke
> >pumps and end up chucking them in the trash.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Time: 06:01:41 PM PST US
From: bertrv6@highstream.net
Subject: <agnetos question..
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Thanks to all that wrote, with suggestions, on my mail, about rough
engine..
Getting the time on Mgs., and cleaning and regaping plugs, worked..
Engine running much better now..
BUT,,,,NOW I GET OVER 170 RPMS, BETWEEN MAGS, IT SHOULD BE NOT OVER
150....eng. lycoming 0320E2D..150 HP. Difference between each is ok...50...
ON THIS NO IDEA, WHAT IS TO BE DONE .....
SUGGESTIONS APRECIATED... CHUCK WHAT SAY YOU//
THANKS
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Time: 07:30:51 PM PST US
From: Chuck <chuck515tigger@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <agnetos question..
Bert,
I might not be the Chuck you were referring to but... If the mag drop is that
significant between mags, the "Low One" is likely bad. IMHO,
just one of the Chuck's
bertrv6@highstream.net wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Thanks to all that wrote, with suggestions, on my mail, about rough
engine..
Getting the time on Mgs., and cleaning and regaping plugs, worked..
Engine running much better now..
BUT,,,,NOW I GET OVER 170 RPMS, BETWEEN MAGS, IT SHOULD BE NOT OVER
150....eng. lycoming 0320E2D..150 HP. Difference between each is ok...50...
ON THIS NO IDEA, WHAT IS TO BE DONE .....
SUGGESTIONS APRECIATED... CHUCK WHAT SAY YOU//
THANKS
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Time: 09:29:32 PM PST US
From: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Subject: <agnetos question..
--> RV-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Lean the mixture, and then do the mags check.
Bill
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bertrv6@highstream.net
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: <agnetos question..
--> RV-List message posted by: bertrv6@highstream.net
Hi:
Thanks to all that wrote, with suggestions, on my mail, about rough
engine..
Getting the time on Mgs., and cleaning and regaping plugs, worked..
Engine running much better now..
BUT,,,,NOW I GET OVER 170 RPMS, BETWEEN MAGS, IT SHOULD BE NOT OVER
150....eng. lycoming 0320E2D..150 HP. Difference between each is
ok...50...
ON THIS NO IDEA, WHAT IS TO BE DONE .....
SUGGESTIONS APRECIATED... CHUCK WHAT SAY YOU//
THANKS
BERT
RV6A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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