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1. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy (Tim Olson)
3. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy (Vinod Wahi)
4. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy ()
5. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy (Sherman Butler)
6. 06:01 PM - Did you paint your own airplane? (Doug Medema)
7. 06:34 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Kyle Boatright)
8. 06:35 PM - Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 (John McMahon)
9. 06:41 PM - Mike Seager Training RV-10 (John McMahon)
10. 06:49 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Sam Buchanan)
11. 07:09 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Bob Collins)
12. 08:03 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (N67BT@aol.com)
13. 09:30 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a 32
gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer
on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple aquarium
style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going on
1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts
on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
--> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to
use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water
to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my
parts for the day.
Charlie:
Where do you get your powder?
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=59194#59194
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
--> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a 32
> gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer
> on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple aquarium
> style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going on
> 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts
> on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
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> --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
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> Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
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> I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to
> use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water
> to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my
> parts for the day.
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
Hi Every body,
This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any
one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.
Thanks.
Vini
2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>:
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
> with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
> at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
> anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
> and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
>
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <
> rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> > I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a 32
> > gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> > approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer
> > on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> > precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple aquarium
> > style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going on
> > 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts
> > on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
> >
> > Michael Sausen
> > -10 #352 Fuselage
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
> >
> > I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> > could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> > took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> > straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to
> > use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> > since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water
> > to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my
> > parts for the day.
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> > Charlie:
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Vinod Wahi
SAP TD Team
Novi Sad
Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Vini,
Henkel is a German company. I don't have any contact information for Europe, but
here is the web page for the American subsidiary. It contains an email contact
link. Perhaps you could either Google to locate the home contain info or you
could contact the American subsidiary for information on who to contact in
Germany.
http://www.finishing.com/Chemicals/henkel.shtml
You want Alodine 1201, preferably in powdered form.
Charlie Kuss
---- Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Every body,
> This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any
> one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.
> Thanks.
> Vini
>
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> 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
> > with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
> > at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
> > anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
> > and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
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> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <
> > rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a 32
> > > gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> > > approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer
> > > on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> > > precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple aquarium
> > > style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going on
> > > 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts
> > > on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
> > >
> > > Michael Sausen
> > > -10 #352 Fuselage
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
> > >
> > > I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> > > could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> > > took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> > > straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to
> > > use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> > > since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water
> > > to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my
> > > parts for the day.
> > >
> > > Charlie:
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> > > Where do you get your powder?
> > >
> > > Dan
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> Vinod Wahi
> SAP TD Team
> Novi Sad
> Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
> Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
> Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
Try
http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm
Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Every body,
This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any one
advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.
Thanks.
Vini
2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>: --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson
<Tim@MyRV10.com>
I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" < rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a 32
> gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a layer
> on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple aquarium
> style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going on
> 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of parts
> on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
>
> I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared to
> use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot water
> to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing my
> parts for the day.
>
> Charlie:
>
> Where do you get your powder?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
--
Vinod Wahi
SAP TD Team
Novi Sad
Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Did you paint your own airplane? |
My plane is almost 3 years old and is greatly in need of a
paint job!
I'm seriously thinking of painting it myself and have some
questions
for those of you who were brave enough (or foolish enough??)
to paint
your own airplane:
Are you happy with the results?
Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay
someone else?
Did you have any painting experience before you painted your
plane?
Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?
If you feel like typing:
Which brand and type of paint did you use?
What kind of paint gun? If HVLP, was it with a standard
compressor
or one of the special HVLP paint setups?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM (just put on new main gear tires today!)
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
Responses are embedded below...
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Medema
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Did you paint your own airplane?
My plane is almost 3 years old and is greatly in need of a paint job!
I'm seriously thinking of painting it myself and have some questions
for those of you who were brave enough (or foolish enough??) to paint
your own airplane:
Are you happy with the results?
Absolutely. I get compliments all the time.
Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay someone else?
How fat is my bank account at that particular time? Seriously,
painting the aircraft was the most challenging part of the whole
project. The most obvious difficulty is that an attached garage covered
in aluminum dust is a heck of a place to paint an airplane.
Did you have any painting experience before you painted your plane?
Zero experience. Painting a second airplane would be far easier than
painting the first one.
Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?
Lots.. Maybe 200, considering cleaning the garage, hanging plastic,
making air filters, etc.
If you feel like typing:
Which brand and type of paint did you use?
I used hardened Dupont Centari. Next time I'd use either Dupont's
Imron or PPG's Concept.
What kind of paint gun? If HVLP, was it with a standard compressor
or one of the special HVLP paint setups?
Standard sprayer with a standard compressor.
Thanks in advance,
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM (just put on new main gear tires today!)
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| Subject: | Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 |
Well the last 2 years we got rained out,sooo we are going to
try again..We have Plaques, food, etc best metal ,longest distance
and all that good stuff..It is Lebanon,Tn (M54) 20 miles east of
Nashville,Tn on Sept 30th..
John McMahon (RV6 180/CS)
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| Subject: | Mike Seager Training RV-10 |
To those that my need some time in the RV-10,Mike Seager has some slots
free on Sat 16th at (1M5) Portland,Tn...
Give me a call on my cell 615-336-2340 and I will try to get you in!!
John McMahon (RV6 180 C/S)
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Doug Medema wrote:
> If you feel like typing:
> Which brand and type of paint did you use?
Doug, here is the tale of the paint job on my RV-6:
http://thervjournal.com/paint1.html
Painting a plane is a big job, but one that can be accomplished by a
patient, persistent amateur. If your plane is still unpainted, you are
probably still at the 90% completion point. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Did you paint your own airplane? |
Here's a piece Darwin Barrie wrote on the subject
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/articles/painting.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
I've just started painting my RV7A. The difference is that my plane hasn't
flown yet and is still unassembled.
<<Are you happy with the results?>>
I've painted the cowl and miscellaneous small parts so far and like the look
but it isn't perfect.
<<Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay someone else?>>
This is a huge job, a project within a project. I don't know if I would
have taken this on had I known how much there is to it. That said, I'm glad I
was ignorant on that count because now I'm enjoying the work and the
associated satisfaction.
<<Did you have any painting experience before you painted your plane?>>
Nothing like this.
<<Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?>>
I quit logging time during the painting process, but I've been at this for
over two months of full time work.
<<Which brand and type of paint did you use?>>
PPG Deltron DBC2000 silver metallic base coat and PPG Concept DCU2002 clear.
<<What kind of paint gun?>>
DiVilbiss GTi 620G HVLP (great gun but it needs lots of air - 15.5 CFM)
<<If HVLP, was it with a standard compressor>>
Standard compressor (had to buy a bigger one)
My project web site happens to have some pics of my temporary paint booth
setup.
_http://mesawood.com/n67bt.htm_ (http://mesawood.com/n67bt.htm)
I'll post some photos of the paint work there after I get more done.
Bob Trumpfheller
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
When folks ask me this question I simply tell them that the airplane came out
pretty good and I wasn't about to ruin it by learning how to paint on it.
Glad I did. Lots of folks paint their RVs from Krylon to Imron- ya gets what ya
play for. Here's my sordid tale:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5270
Your mileage will undoubtedly vary...
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark - N51PW "Mojo" 350 grin hours so far...............
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