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1. 01:21 AM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Thomas Lukasczyk)
2. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy (Vinod Wahi)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: 10 Vane Oil Cooler (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
4. 04:26 AM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (sheldon barrett)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (Bob)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 (L Klingmuller)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 (Sam Buchanan)
8. 09:00 AM - Looking to borrow a PC Interface Cable for an SL-60 (Dean Pichon)
9. 11:15 AM - Epoxy sale (glen matejcek)
10. 11:23 AM - paint (Wheeler North)
11. 11:33 AM - SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA (Dave Saylor)
12. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy ()
13. 12:41 PM - Re: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 (John Mcmahon)
14. 02:17 PM - T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed (Rhonda Bewley)
15. 02:35 PM - Re: T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed (Bruce Gray)
16. 02:42 PM - Re: T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed (Aircraft Technical Book Company)
17. 03:22 PM - Re: SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA (MLWynn@aol.com)
18. 03:55 PM - Re: SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA (Dave Saylor)
19. 04:42 PM - SL-70 Wanted ()
20. 06:01 PM - Re: Did you paint your own airplane? (JhnstnIII@aol.com)
21. 06:55 PM - Denver area RV'rs (bill shook)
22. 07:48 PM - Re: Denver area RV'rs (Ron Lee)
23. 08:14 PM - Re: Denver area RV'rs (mark phipps)
24. 08:56 PM - Re: Denver area RV'rs (bill shook)
25. 10:21 PM - Re: Denver area RV'rs (mark phipps)
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" <Lukasczyk@gmx.net>
Hi Doug
I was asking myself that question when my RV-4 was about to be finished. I do have
some painting experience and equipment. I had spraypainted cars and I also
had a workshop available that could be set up for that purpose. I still took
it to a paint-shop and had somebody else do the job. Maybe because of that little
experience i had.
Here are the reasons:
No matter how good I am, I beleive somebody who ist doing it for a living with
a lot of experience will do it better
No matter how good my home-setup is, A professional shop with a proper filter system,
heating and lighting is better ground to start with
Professionals usually do the job much faster and use less paint to achieve the
desired results. In my case, the guy worked out a 4-layer painting concept with
primer, surfacer, paint and clearcoat to save weight. The entire job only added
9 pounds of weight. I know because they put every single part on a scale and
compared the weight before and after since I once mentioned that I wanted it
to be as light as possible.
The price was all right (2500 Euros including paint and they did all the prep-work).
Maybe that was because it was a car paint-shop and I only wanted one color
and there was only a little bit of masking.
I had to rent a truck to drive the disassembled plane down there. But that was
not to bad since everything was ready a week later. I would do it again that way
and I am very happy with the results so far. I am sorry but I do not remember
the brand of the paint but they used a zink-chromate wash primer and a surfacer
(I beleive polyester based but I am not sure) that was compatible. The paint
was a 2-component base and clearcoat acryl-car-paint.
Thomas RV-4, germany
http://www.rv-4.de/
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:01:04 -0700
Von: "Doug Medema" <doug.medema@comcast.net>
An: rv-list@matronics.com
Betreff: RV-List: Did you paint your own airplane?
> My plane is almost 3 years old and is greatly in need of a
> paint job!
>
> I'm seriously thinking of painting it myself and have some
> questions
> for those of you who were brave enough (or foolish enough??)
> to paint
> your own airplane:
>
> Are you happy with the results?
>
> Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay
> someone else?
>
> Did you have any painting experience before you painted your
> plane?
>
> Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?
>
> If you feel like typing:
> Which brand and type of paint did you use?
>
> What kind of paint gun? If HVLP, was it with a standard
> compressor
> or one of the special HVLP paint setups?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug Medema
> RV-6A N276DM (just put on new main gear tires today!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
Charlie Thanks for info. I will try to contact Henkel in Germany, You say
Alodine 1201 is the product I need.
Vini
2006/9/14, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>:
>
> Try
> http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm
>
>
> *Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi@googlemail.com>* wrote:
>
> Hi Every body,
> This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any
> one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.
> Thanks.
> Vini
>
>
> 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>:
> >
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
> > with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
> > at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
> > anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
> > and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <
> > rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a
> > 32
> > > gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> > > approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a
> > layer
> > > on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> > > precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple
> > aquarium
> > > style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going
> > on
> > > 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of
> > parts
> > > on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
> > >
> > > Michael Sausen
> > > -10 #352 Fuselage
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
> > >
> > > I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> > > could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> > > took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> >
> > > straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared
> > to
> > > use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> > > since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot
> > water
> > > to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing
> > my
> > > parts for the day.
> > >
> > > Charlie:
> > >
> > > Where do you get your powder?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Vinod Wahi
> SAP TD Team
> Novi Sad
> Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
> Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
> Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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SAP TD Team
Novi Sad
Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
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| Subject: | Re: 10 Vane Oil Cooler |
In a message dated 9/6/2006 9:15:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dale1rv6@comcast.net writes:
Barry,
Our oil cooler came from Vans, 4/11/2001, part number 4215, per Vans
invoice; "EA OIL COOLER 4215, OIL COOLER FOR IO-360". I had forgotten our
cooler was for the IO and not the "O" model, but I would recommend it.
We have the O-360, 180 hp. I will try to find the mfg info next time I take
the bottom cowl off. Maybe Vans can tell you who makes the #4215.
Pic attached.
Dale
=========================================================
Dale:
I'm getting back into the oil cooling mode and doing some research. I looked
up the part number you gave and was able to get to ACS web site where they
gave a description and sizes of the cooler for your part number (OIL COOLER
4215, from POSITECH). It is listed as a 8 row cooler, is yours an 8 row cooler?
I saw one on an RV-6A and if I counted correctly it was a 10 Row Cooler. I
will have to get back to that plane and take some measurements because I have
had different opinions on How to Count Rows. My feeling is a row is the part
where the Oil Passes Through. Some say it is the part where the Air Passes
Through, what is your opinions?
The part number for the 10 Row Cooler is: POSITECH # P20005C and ACS # 4216.
The BIG difference is the 10 rows and it is 1" Longer. Dale, thanks for the
picture also, nice mounting job. Would you happen to have a picture face on
to the fins so I can see what the difference might be between the 4215 and
4216?
What are your opinions?
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
Doug, I painted my RV6A in 1992 before it was assembled... I painted
small parts at the house, in the garage without any kind of
'paint-booth' set-up... I painted the fuse. and wings in my (at that
time) work place paint booth. Which was an open end type with blowers
and a water fall in the rear... (Not the best) but at least better than
trying to paint these larger pieces at home...
I used PPG Deltron base coat and PPG clear coat... The base coat paint
is very easy paint to apply (just like painting flat paint) which it is,
kinda... The clear coat is where painting experience would sure help..
Very difficult to get the proper results... You must wear protective
equipment...!!
I took 6 weekends to do all the painting... Something like 150-180
hours total.. but not including the sanding & buffing out the clear
coats..(didn't keep track)... Only cost me $1200 at that time, including
the HVLP gun I bought.
I would do it again..?? The satisfaction and (the comments I get) at
fly-in's make it really worth it..
Yes! I would do it again...(especially now that I've done it once)...
Sheldon Barrett RV6A 400 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Medema
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Did you paint your own airplane?
My plane is almost 3 years old and is greatly in need of a paint job!
I'm seriously thinking of painting it myself and have some questions
for those of you who were brave enough (or foolish enough??) to paint
your own airplane:
Are you happy with the results?
Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay someone else?
Did you have any painting experience before you painted your plane?
Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?
If you feel like typing:
Which brand and type of paint did you use?
What kind of paint gun? If HVLP, was it with a standard compressor
or one of the special HVLP paint setups?
Thanks in advance,
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM (just put on new main gear tires today!)
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Like anything, this is part of the learning experience that I wanted to
learn.
Yes I would do it again, and I am happy with the results.
For me it really was an enjoyable experience, I just marveled at how the
airplane changed as I painted each part or section.
I used a PPG paint with a PPG wash primer. I know, it was not the right
combination, but, I like it!!
Five years later and it looks better to me than it did when it came out of
the paint barn. Some people just love the paint job, others tolerate it
and some keep asking when I am going to paint it?
Bob
At 08:01 PM 9/13/06, you wrote:
>My plane is almost 3 years old and is greatly in need of a paint job!
>
>I'm seriously thinking of painting it myself and have some questions
>for those of you who were brave enough (or foolish enough??) to paint
>your own airplane:
>
>Are you happy with the results?
>
>Knowing what you know now, would you do it again or pay someone else?
>
>Did you have any painting experience before you painted your plane?
>
>Any idea of how many hours in prep and paint?
>
>If you feel like typing:
>Which brand and type of paint did you use?
>
>What kind of paint gun? If HVLP, was it with a standard compressor
>or one of the special HVLP paint setups?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Doug Medema
>RV-6A N276DM (just put on new main gear tires today!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 |
So, where is the fly in???????
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| Subject: | Re: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
L Klingmuller wrote:
> So, where is the fly in???????
Here is the message as originally posted:
> Well the last 2 years we got rained out,sooo we are going to
> try again..We have Plaques, food, etc best metal ,longest distance
> and all that good stuff..It is Lebanon,Tn (M54) 20 miles east of
> Nashville,Tn on Sept 30th..
> John McMahon (RV6 180/CS)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Looking to borrow a PC Interface Cable for an SL-60 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
Hi All,
I'd like to update the database in my Garmin/UPS/Apollo SL-60 Nav/Comm.
Garmin informed me I need an expensive cable to down load the update from my
PC to my radio. Would anyone who owns this cable be willing to loan it to
me?
Thanks,
Dean Pichon
Bolton, MA
Do Not Archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Howdy all-
Jamestown distributors is having a 10% off sale on all West Systems
products. Resin is as low as $13 / Qt... if you buy a 52 gallon drum!
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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--> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Doug,
you don't neeed nooo steankin' paint, jus' fly it.
And by the way start flying it some where, more often... three years and
only one set of tires... geesh, for a retired guy you need to get yor
priorities tuned up a bit.
Truth be told, get some flat stock and practice painting with a few brands
and see what you like and don't like. See if you can borrow an HVLP or
standard type to play with a bit.
The other thang to decide is do you want a two inch airplane or a twenty
foot airplane. Most are twenty foot meaning you see no anomallies at a 20ft
distance. This is what really determines the amount of time you will put
into it.
Both are good, neither are bad, just different missions. Show takes a ton of
work to get there and to keep it at show level but you get lots of ground
attention. A working airplane is just that, it works a lot, gets
experimented on and takes an occasional cosmetic ding just because and you
rarely have to clean drool off of your paint job as most will tend to ignore
your plane. So decide what you value more... I built a show plane once and
got very tired of fixing the damage regularly done by lookiloo idiots.
Also in terms of a paint scheme flashy looks pretty sitting on the ground
but it is easily identifiable from the air if you are out having some low
level fun. Conversely white looks like any other airplane but may not be the
most visible color for anticollision benefits, and silver is the worst.
Several auto studies show silver cars having much higher accident rates
particularly at dawn and dusk.
More colors add a ton of time and weight to the job as well.
all stuff to think about...
W
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| Subject: | SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA |
Good News! We are scheduled for a SportAir RV workshop, November 18/19, 2006
at AirCrafters in Watsonville, CA. If you would like to attend, please go to
<http://www.sportair.org/> http://www.sportair.org/ to register, or call EAA
at 1-800-967-5746 for more information.
Please note: The Watsonville workshop is not listed on the SportAir web page
as of this morning at 10:30PDT, but I have received confirmation from EAA
that the workshop is planned and will be announced soon.
Thanks to all those who have expressed interest!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
<outbind://5/www.AirCraftersLLC.com> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
Vini,
Yes 1201 has a gold colored dye in it. The dye helps you determine when the part
has been exposed to the chemicals for the correct amount of time. Alodine 1200
is clear, and therefore much harder for the beginner to use.
I would suggest checking with businesses who sell chemicals for the plating trade
(ie chrome plating, cadmium plating, anodizing, etc). My local supplier of
MacDirmid's Iridite 14-2, is:
Allied Plating Supply
Hialeah, Florida
USA
Note that the company's name tells you that they sell plating supplies. Perhaps
a Google search under PLATING SUPPLIES GERMANY would yield results?
Good luck and let me know if you find a supplier.
Charlie Kuss
---- Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Thanks for info. I will try to contact Henkel in Germany, You say
> Alodine 1201 is the product I need.
> Vini
>
>
> 2006/9/14, Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a@yahoo.com>:
> >
> > Try
> > http://www.eldoradochem.com/conversion-coatings.htm
> >
> >
> > *Vinod Wahi <vinod.wahi@googlemail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Hi Every body,
> > This my first mail. I am first time builder, started with 9A emp. Can any
> > one advise me where I can buy alodine powder in Germany.
> > Thanks.
> > Vini
> >
> >
> > 2006/9/13, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>:
> > >
> > > --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > >
> > > I may have some powdered alodine that I might be willing to part
> > > with. I'd have to look up my original price to even have a guess
> > > at it's value, but I'm sure I have enough to make a few gallons
> > > anyway. Contact me off-list if you think you might be interested
> > > and I'll try to figure out what quantity I have.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <
> > > rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > > >
> > > > I also saw the same effect with the older solution. I keep it in a
> > > 32
> > > > gallon Rubbermaid trash can that doubles as the dip tank. As it
> > > > approached 6 months old it was taking forever for it to convert a
> > > layer
> > > > on the aluminum. I guessed that it was mainly due to the chemicals
> > > > precipitating out and was apparently correct. I added a couple
> > > aquarium
> > > > style circulating power heads and it was like new after that. Going
> > > on
> > > > 1.5 years on the same original batch and completed the majority of
> > > parts
> > > > on my RV-10. I also keep it covered and out of direct sunlight.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Sausen
> > > > -10 #352 Fuselage
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of messydeer
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:34 AM
> > > > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: RV-List: Re: Iridite Wanted to Buy
> > > >
> > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tips, again, Barry.
> > > >
> > > > I had talked with Henkel before using alodine. They had mentioned it
> > > > could be recycled. What I found was that as I reused the solution, it
> > > > took a longer dwell time to get the same results. So I ended up adding
> > >
> > > > straight alodine to the recycled solution. So I'd like to be prepared
> > > to
> > > > use solutions on the stronger side to speed up the process, especially
> > > > since the baths will be tap water cold. I supposed I could use hot
> > > water
> > > > to start with, but it would cool quite a bit anyway before finishing
> > > my
> > > > parts for the day.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie:
> > > >
> > > > Where do you get your powder?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vinod Wahi
> > SAP TD Team
> > Novi Sad
> > Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
> > Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
> > Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Vinod Wahi
> SAP TD Team
> Novi Sad
> Mailto:vinod.wahi@googlemail.com
> Tel.: +381 64 482 1139
> Tel.Germany:+49 172 4038 502
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| Subject: | Re: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30 |
(M54 )Lebanon,Tn
----- Original Message -----
From: L Klingmuller
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: re: RV-List: Annual RV Fly-In Sept 30
So, where is the fly in???????
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| Subject: | T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed |
Sorry for the cross postings, but I felt this issue was worthwhile. See
below an email sent to several news agencies. In addition, a letter is
in the draft stages to Sen. Jim Inhofe, who is a member of the Senate
Arms Committee and a GA advocate. I encourage you to do the same.
"Please review the attached stories regarding the Air Force's disposal
of 110 T-3A Firefly airplanes that cost the American taxpayers
$33,000,000. These airplanes were grounded after three fatal accidents.
It was determined that the airplanes had fuel delivery problems.
http://www.txaa.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=1554
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026857
Generally when aircraft are destroyed, they are disassembled and the
good components are then sold through auction or salvage. The Air
Force, however, has completely destroyed all components, including new
engines and propellers still in the crates from the factory.
My company is an engine overhaul facility which supports the general
aviation market. The engines associated with these aircraft are used in
a multitude of certified and experimental aircraft with very reliable
results and are highly sought after. In fact, we had already begun
inquiries with the GSA on how to bid on these components when these
stories came across our desk.
What a waste of the taxpayer's money!! I feel confident that even those
individuals who don't have a passion for flight would find this type of
activity deplorable. I hope you will give this story your
consideration."
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
________________________________
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Engines-List: FYI
The US Air Force has announced that it will scrap all 110 remaining
T-3A Firefly training aircraft in the fleet. The planes were grounded
in 1997 after numerous incidents and three crashes. While the Air Force
attributed two of the fatal mishaps to pilot error, all three accidents
involved problems with the engine, a six cylinder Textron Lycoming
AEIO-540-D4A5 generating 260 hp driving a three-bladed prop.
According to GlobalSecurity.org, the T-3A's engine had failed 66 times
during takeoffs or landings. The Air Force grounded 57 of the planes on
ten separate occasions due to problems with either engines, fuel
systems, or brakes.
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| Subject: | T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed |
Usually the vendor requires the military to destroy rather than sell at
salvage any dual use (civilian/military) components as a condition of
the
purchase contract.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:17 PM
rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed
Sorry for the cross postings, but I felt this issue was worthwhile. See
below an email sent to several news agencies. In addition, a letter is
in
the draft stages to Sen. Jim Inhofe, who is a member of the Senate Arms
Committee and a GA advocate. I encourage you to do the same.
"Please review the attached stories regarding the Air Force's disposal
of
110 T-3A Firefly airplanes that cost the American taxpayers $33,000,000.
These airplanes were grounded after three fatal accidents. It was
determined that the airplanes had fuel delivery problems.
http://www.txaa.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=1554
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026857
Generally when aircraft are destroyed, they are disassembled and the
good
components are then sold through auction or salvage. The Air Force,
however, has completely destroyed all components, including new engines
and
propellers still in the crates from the factory.
My company is an engine overhaul facility which supports the general
aviation market. The engines associated with these aircraft are used in
a
multitude of certified and experimental aircraft with very reliable
results
and are highly sought after. In fact, we had already begun inquiries
with
the GSA on how to bid on these components when these stories came across
our
desk.
What a waste of the taxpayer's money!! I feel confident that even those
individuals who don't have a passion for flight would find this type of
activity deplorable. I hope you will give this story your
consideration."
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
_____
From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Engines-List: FYI
The US Air Force has announced that it will scrap all 110 remaining
T-3A
Firefly training aircraft in the fleet. The planes were grounded in
1997
after numerous incidents and three crashes. While the Air Force
attributed
two of the fatal mishaps to pilot error, all three accidents involved
problems with the engine, a six cylinder Textron Lycoming AEIO-540-D4A5
generating 260 hp driving a three-bladed prop.
According to GlobalSecurity.org, the T-3A's engine had failed 66 times
during takeoffs or landings. The Air Force grounded 57 of the planes on
ten
separate occasions due to problems with either engines, fuel systems, or
brakes.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed |
First rule of government contracting - "Why build one when you can build
two for twice the price?"
This is just one more reason to go to the polls in November and make
some big changes in government. Sorry to get into the politics thing and
there are those who will argue that in the past the Democrats have been
just as bad. That may be true, but its the current guys who are bad
now, and so for today they are the ones who need to go away.
Andy
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rhonda Bewley
To: engines-list@matronics.com ; rv10-list@matronics.com ;
rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: T-3A Firefly Aircraft Destroyed
Sorry for the cross postings, but I felt this issue was worthwhile.
See below an email sent to several news agencies. In addition, a letter
is in the draft stages to Sen. Jim Inhofe, who is a member of the Senate
Arms Committee and a GA advocate. I encourage you to do the same.
"Please review the attached stories regarding the Air Force's disposal
of 110 T-3A Firefly airplanes that cost the American taxpayers
$33,000,000. These airplanes were grounded after three fatal accidents.
It was determined that the airplanes had fuel delivery problems.
http://www.txaa.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=1554
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026857
Generally when aircraft are destroyed, they are disassembled and the
good components are then sold through auction or salvage. The Air
Force, however, has completely destroyed all components, including new
engines and propellers still in the crates from the factory.
My company is an engine overhaul facility which supports the general
aviation market. The engines associated with these aircraft are used in
a multitude of certified and experimental aircraft with very reliable
results and are highly sought after. In fact, we had already begun
inquiries with the GSA on how to bid on these components when these
stories came across our desk.
What a waste of the taxpayer's money!! I feel confident that even
those individuals who don't have a passion for flight would find this
type of activity deplorable. I hope you will give this story your
consideration."
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
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From: owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-engines-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:14 AM
To: engines-list@matronics.com
Subject: Engines-List: FYI
The US Air Force has announced that it will scrap all 110 remaining
T-3A Firefly training aircraft in the fleet. The planes were grounded
in 1997 after numerous incidents and three crashes. While the Air Force
attributed two of the fatal mishaps to pilot error, all three accidents
involved problems with the engine, a six cylinder Textron Lycoming
AEIO-540-D4A5 generating 260 hp driving a three-bladed prop.
According to GlobalSecurity.org, the T-3A's engine had failed 66 times
during takeoffs or landings. The Air Force grounded 57 of the planes on
ten separate occasions due to problems with either engines, fuel
systems, or brakes.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA |
Hi Dave
Is this the introduction to RV assembly class? I attended same in Corona
before ordering my empennage. Definitely worth the time and expense.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wings (ailerons)
San Ramon, CA
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| Subject: | Re: SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville, CA |
=0A Yes, intro to RV assembly.=0A=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A---
-------------------------------------=0A=0A From: MLWynn@aol.com
=0ASent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:23 PM=0ATo: rv-list@matronics
.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: SportAir RV Workshop Nov 18/19 Watsonville,
CA =0A=0A Hi Dave=0A=0A Is this the introduction to RV a
ssembly class? I attended same in Corona before ordering my empennage. De
finitely worth the time and expense.=0A=0A Regards,=0A=0A
Michael Wynn=0A RV 8 Wings (ailerons)=0A San Ramon, CA =0A
==============0A=0A
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--> RV-List message posted by: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Hi all,
I'm looking for an Apollo SL-70 transponder, new or yellow tagged for a certified
aircraft. Someone must have one gathering dust in the garage/hangar?
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Did you paint your own airplane? |
I will chime in. I painted our RV-6 at my house. I believe it took about
six months of steady night and weekend work plus some vacation days. People
tell me it looks very good and I think so, too. Paint was Dupont Imron over
Variprime, three colors. Surface was etched but not alodined.
It was a big and difficult job, but then nothing about these projects is
easy in my opinion. This was my first airplane. I would do it again
Talk to painters with experience first. They will have many good tips.
I painted parts in a room in my house and later in the garage when the
weather got warm. In both places we rigged a powerful squirrel cage fan (from
a
buddy--it was like what is in your furnace) to exhaust the fumes to the
outside. We built a wooden exhaust plenum with three round outlets to split the
exhaust into three flexible 6 inch dia. ducts about eight feet long that lay on
the ground spread apart with bricks in them to hold them down. The idea
was to diffuse the exhaust so as not to paint the outside of the house. For
the inlet to the room/garage, we built a plywood door panel with two large
furnace filters in it and a latch mechanism to alow ingress and egress.
In a separate room away from the fumes we had a Hobbyair respirator and the
hose went through a hole in the wall to the paint room.
When painting I wore a Tyvek paint suit, painter's stretchy hood (like a
balaclava) and gloves plus the respirator mask. I always had fresh air flowing
into the mask and could not smell the paint. My understanding was this
paint will kill you and you should take no chances on fumes.
We have a large air compressor. We bought a $400 system that goes in the
line to dry the air, remove all oil drops, and remove all debris. The
cannister with silica that dries the air lasted the whole job without needing
to be
replaced. I used a Devilbiss HVLP gun.
We filled all the rivets, not to go faster (unlikely), but to make the paint
easier to flow out. This is a lot of work but it sure is pretty later and
it is easier to paint especially on the unavoidable vertical surfaces like the
fuselage sides. Still looking for a filler that goes on easy, sands easy,
and is smooth. We tried various. Because we essentially sanded it all off,
weight gain was negligible.
I'm remembering now what a pain the filling of pinholes in the fiberglass
parts was. I hate them pinholes. Not sure what a professional painter would
do about them.
I'm not sure of our exact costs. I'm guessing paint, equipment, endless
paper towels and gloves, sandpaper, etc, probably came to $3,000. I did a lot
of
things over as I learned, Imron can be sanded and I did plenty of that.
The difficult part is the art of paint application--too little and you have
orange peel, too much and it runs. The distance between the two is narrow.
Here's the thing. When it's over, you forget the misery and the time. You
fly and you're happy.
LeRoy Johnston and David White in Ohio. RV-6 Esperanza--flying.
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| Subject: | Denver area RV'rs |
--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
I'm told there is a fairly large group of us here in Denver. Front range airport
in
particular so I hear. Do we have a builders group of wise and knowledged builders
that
roam from home to home dispensing said knowledge in exchange for beer? Or perhaps
the
occasional get together at a place where aircraft are known to leave the ground
and most
of the time come back? Where are you gents hiding?
Bill Shook
-4 finally rolling again
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| Subject: | Re: Denver area RV'rs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 07:55 PM 9/14/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
>
>I'm told there is a fairly large group of us here in Denver. Front range
>airport in
>particular so I hear. Do we have a builders group of wise and knowledged
>builders that
>roam from home to home dispensing said knowledge in exchange for beer? Or
>perhaps the
>occasional get together at a place where aircraft are known to leave the
>ground and most
>of the time come back? Where are you gents hiding?
Can't divulge that but if you see an RV flying over the Denver Class B it
may or may not be me.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Denver area RV'rs |
Bill ther are quite a few of us out at the Longmont Airport, about twenty five
flying and I know of at least three or four under construction, so if you are
on the west side of town are you closest to BJC or Longmont?
Mark Phipps, Flying RV6A
bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook
I'm told there is a fairly large group of us here in Denver. Front range airport
in
particular so I hear. Do we have a builders group of wise and knowledged builders
that
roam from home to home dispensing said knowledge in exchange for beer? Or perhaps
the
occasional get together at a place where aircraft are known to leave the ground
and most
of the time come back? Where are you gents hiding?
Bill Shook
-4 finally rolling again
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| Subject: | Re: Denver area RV'rs |
--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
--- mark phipps <skydive80020@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill ther are quite a few of us out at the Longmont Airport, about twenty five
flying
> and I know of at least three or four under construction, so if you are on the
west
> side of town are you closest to BJC or Longmont?
> Mark Phipps, Flying RV6A
I am on the southeast side. Pretty close to 470 and smokey hill. Do you west
side boys
get together for breakfast and that sort of thing?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Denver area RV'rs |
We meet on Wednesday's at the BJC airport for lunch at noon.
bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: bill
shook
--- mark phipps wrote:
> Bill ther are quite a few of us out at the Longmont Airport, about twenty five
flying
> and I know of at least three or four under construction, so if you are on the
west
> side of town are you closest to BJC or Longmont?
> Mark Phipps, Flying RV6A
I am on the southeast side. Pretty close to 470 and smokey hill. Do you west side
boys
get together for breakfast and that sort of thing?
Bill
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