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1. 03:52 AM - Re: [Bulk] Unfortunate Mistake (Kevin Horton)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Van's Wheel Fairings (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
3. 07:39 AM - Re: [Bulk] Unfortunate Mistake (Bob J.)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: [Bulk] Unfortunate Mistake (Kevin Horton)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: [Bulk] Unfortunate Mistake (Steve Eberhart)
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
On 16 Sep 2006, at 22:46, dmaib@mac.com wrote:
> I had an accident this afternoon when on of my RV-10 Quick Build
> wings slipped off the cradle. The inboard leading edge was dented
> and the inboard fuel tank panel was slightly deformed. I am looking
> for advice on how to gracefully recover from this (completely
> preventable) mistake.
I don't think you should try to salvage that tank. If you leave it
as is, the stress on the tank inner rib and the wing skin may
eventually lead to a fuel tank leak. And, the incorrect profile on
the inboard wing leading edge could affect stall characteristics and
stall speed. I don't see any way to do a repair short of rebuilding
the whole tank.
I think you should order parts and plan to build a new tank. The RV
Yeller Pages list several companies that will build RV fuel tanks, if
you don't want to do that job yourself:
http://www.matronics.com/YellerPages/
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Wheel Fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 8/29/06 10:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
martin@gbonline.com writes:
The Custom III series has a much stiffer tred and side casing and holds its
shape even with a hard landing.
> I tried Vans pressure recovery pants first and then went to Sam James
> pressure recovery pants because they went faster and looked better.
> Good luck with your project.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
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Dick:
I can understand the looking better part. But, how much faster and how did
you determine that?
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
I've seen RV's with dents from bird strikes that weren't affected at all in
flight by dents far bigger than that one, so I respectfully disagree with
Kevin. I would make a form block out of wood and try to work the dent out
as best as you can from the inboard side. If that doesn't work I'd remove
the rib try to work it out that way, and make a custom rib or cover plate in
the rib. If you're careful about how you remove the dent you will never
notice it with paint on the airplane.
I have a friend with an RV-8 that had a severe dent in the leading edge
right on a rib, just outboard of the fuel tank. Much worse than this one.
It was creased right along the rib. He had an old-timer metal man work the
dent out, it took him all of 30 minutes to accomplish. I was there and
watched him do it, he made a form block out of wood and gently pried it back
into shape with a small bottle jack and some blocks of wood inside the wing
against the spar (long story short). You cannot tell there was a dent, and
there was no body filler used. It was a very creative fix!
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
On 9/17/06, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> On 16 Sep 2006, at 22:46, dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
> I had an accident this afternoon when on of my RV-10 Quick Build wings
> slipped off the cradle. The inboard leading edge was dented and the inboard
> fuel tank panel was slightly deformed. I am looking for advice on how to
> gracefully recover from this (completely preventable) mistake.
>
>
> I don't think you should try to salvage that tank. If you leave it as is,
> the stress on the tank inner rib and the wing skin may eventually lead to a
> fuel tank leak. And, the incorrect profile on the inboard wing leading edge
> could affect stall characteristics and stall speed. I don't see any way to
> do a repair short of rebuilding the whole tank.
>
> I think you should order parts and plan to build a new tank. The RV
> Yeller Pages list several companies that will build RV fuel tanks, if you
> don't want to do that job yourself:
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
Bob - Did the guys with the bird strike dents do a full set of stall
characteristics and stall speed tests before fixing the dents?
David - Where are the inspection covers in the RV-10 tanks? In the
rear baffle? It might be possible to remove the root rib, but you'll
need access inside the tank to scrape the proseal off or you'll never
be able to extract the rib. You'll also need access so you can put
some proseal along the rib/skin junction after riveting the rib back
in place.
I'm not familiar with the RV-10. How is that tank/fuselage
attachment fitting attached to the root rib? Can it be riveted to
the rib before riveting the rib back in place?
Kevin Horton
On 17 Sep 2006, at 10:38, Bob J. wrote:
> I've seen RV's with dents from bird strikes that weren't affected
> at all in flight by dents far bigger than that one, so I
> respectfully disagree with Kevin. I would make a form block out of
> wood and try to work the dent out as best as you can from the
> inboard side. If that doesn't work I'd remove the rib try to work
> it out that way, and make a custom rib or cover plate in the rib.
> If you're careful about how you remove the dent you will never
> notice it with paint on the airplane.
>
> I have a friend with an RV-8 that had a severe dent in the leading
> edge right on a rib, just outboard of the fuel tank. Much worse
> than this one. It was creased right along the rib. He had an old-
> timer metal man work the dent out, it took him all of 30 minutes to
> accomplish. I was there and watched him do it, he made a form
> block out of wood and gently pried it back into shape with a small
> bottle jack and some blocks of wood inside the wing against the
> spar (long story short). You cannot tell there was a dent, and
> there was no body filler used. It was a very creative fix!
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
>
> On 9/17/06, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com > wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2006, at 22:46, dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
>> I had an accident this afternoon when on of my RV-10 Quick Build
>> wings slipped off the cradle. The inboard leading edge was dented
>> and the inboard fuel tank panel was slightly deformed. I am
>> looking for advice on how to gracefully recover from this
>> (completely preventable) mistake.
>
> I don't think you should try to salvage that tank. If you leave it
> as is, the stress on the tank inner rib and the wing skin may
> eventually lead to a fuel tank leak. And, the incorrect profile on
> the inboard wing leading edge could affect stall characteristics
> and stall speed. I don't see any way to do a repair short of
> rebuilding the whole tank.
>
> I think you should order parts and plan to build a new tank. The
> RV Yeller Pages list several companies that will build RV fuel
> tanks, if you don't want to do that job yourself:
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Find you a body man that is at least 60 years old. He will be able to
hammer that out to the point you won't be able to tell were the damage
was. It takes a good feel for what the metal is telling him and a good
eye. The younger bondo slingers just don't have the touch.
Steve Eberhart
60 year old RV-7A builder
Bob J. wrote:
> I've seen RV's with dents from bird strikes that weren't affected at
> all in flight by dents far bigger than that one, so I respectfully
> disagree with Kevin. I would make a form block out of wood and try to
> work the dent out as best as you can from the inboard side. If that
> doesn't work I'd remove the rib try to work it out that way, and make
> a custom rib or cover plate in the rib. If you're careful about how
> you remove the dent you will never notice it with paint on the airplane.
>
> I have a friend with an RV-8 that had a severe dent in the leading
> edge right on a rib, just outboard of the fuel tank. Much worse than
> this one. It was creased right along the rib. He had an old-timer
> metal man work the dent out, it took him all of 30 minutes to
> accomplish. I was there and watched him do it, he made a form block
> out of wood and gently pried it back into shape with a small bottle
> jack and some blocks of wood inside the wing against the spar (long
> story short). You cannot tell there was a dent, and there was no body
> filler used. It was a very creative fix!
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
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